[000:00:00;00] what do the forces plan to do? it seems rational, we will continue to monitor the situation and work every day, mr. valery, but in the history of the zaporizhzhia npp, the world has no means and measures that they can take in relation to russia, well, in relation to the same licenses for the construction of nuclear power plants around the world, does rosatom have a lot of contracts, or why is there no tough and tough reaction to this? well, there are many of us. the organization was created under a certain mandate, and i will say that today it works inefficiently. well, to put it mildly, what this representative says, well, to be honest, here's a person who just listens to it after being advised by specialists, it's very sad to hear

because there was no radiation release at the chernobyl station, now he guides us all to the water level, even non- specialists will tell you one key thing what kind of money should be aware of this constantly whining in the world , the key problem of the zaporozhye station is that it is in the hands of the occupier, it is a monkey with a grenade, eh, or blowing up the station, as the president says, or other methods of destabilization and man-made disaster i also believe that the man-made disaster was created by the russians, this is one of their plans, just as it can be at the excavation in the crimean titan, other enterprises have now seen that it works and that is why they will do it, and

it will not help anything here because we just need to free the occupier from this territory that he uses and it is mined . by the way, what is happening around there? i didn’t hear him talking about the water level , but where are the pumps with hoses of 2 km that were made there after the stress test for so that as in let's focus on preventing the situation. are you working? artesian wells are there access or not? that is, he is talking about these pictures. well, now i will not hear from him that we probably need an alternative feed into the network controlled by russia, and i really hope that at least they will supply cooling to cooling the fifth unit so that the russians use it as a lever, then the influence is constant, unfortunately, they dance as well as they can, but it seems to me that they also dance as well , but i will just say my observations. it

seems to me that they are more on the dance floor than the russians well, it is not surprising that the person responsible for security in the russian-rich department is full of russian agents, that is, it is clear that the same money is limited to certain actions, i understand perfectly well, but in this situation of a global challenge, he has to behave uh-uh truthfully and definitely avoid playing along with the russians . approach that we will perform our function there under any conditions and you are not allowed to perform it, that is, he tells us these pictures and you were allowed to do everything so that there is there that is, uh well, i tell us that there is no such technique there unmined by everyone chuh game he is playing, we need to look realistically from this side , we can only have small elements there , some really uh what access they have and this should be used because without any monitoring at all it is a catastrophic situation

in general therefore we need to look realistically at all these possibilities and where they start playing along, the occupiers need to talk about it out loud. so, i think that i am emphasizing the key problem - it is not the water level, although it is also important for cooling, yes, the key problem is that it is in the hands of a terrorist state and that the military is located there, this is a flagrant violation of everything, unfortunately, for the sake of this without being thrown out how can nothing else be done from here thank you, mr. valery, after a short pause on our channel, we will return to the conversation, wait a long time , with the first test in the euro-2024 selection, june 16 at 21:45 cheer for the country's main team on megogo there are discounts

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video on social networks, support our today, our guest pages are valery chalyi, a politician-diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2014-2019, in 2015, in 2019. you can say that this week or in paris, the presidents of poland, france, the federal chancellor of germany talked about security guarantees for ukraine, but judging by the press that was , only andrzej duda spoke about the need to grant ukraine the status as soon as possible a member of the north atlantic alliance, although yesterday during rammstein the minister of defense of germany, boris pistorius, said that

nato can remove some obstacles on ukraine's path to membership, it is about the possibility of our country joining the alliance under a simplified procedure, let's listen to what the minister said defense of germany. now we must focus on ukraine being able to win this war and push russian troops out of the country, for this we need all possible military support, and at the moment this is exactly what mr. valery is in the focus of attention as much as possible to simplify the procedure that already exists and in what way we can become members of nato even before the end of the war. if we talk about procedures, it seems that lately, although in this matter, there is a consensus that ukraine does not need to go the way that we applied for in 2008, the action plan

regarding membership, i.e. further, finland and sweden showed that it is possible to go the other way, well, in fact , according to readiness and not to do any intermediate or additional preparatory programs, so , well, conversation. such an impression in washington. in this the plan was productive for president joseph biden, the decision was made by the prime minister of britain, and at the next meetings , in my opinion, nato already has a consensus on such a simplified, faster, less criticized path for ukraine in the event of a political decision being invited. that is, we we can go through this er-e pdc by past the pdc and actually approach the membership itself. i understand correctly that in the washington treaty itself in the nato documents there are no requirements

er. haven't come up with anything else. that is, we can become the 33rd member of nato after sweden, well, now they want to make some plans for several years of ukraine's preparation, they are still free to offer something, well, it should not be any additional tool, that is, it can be some kind of set well, that is, under certain conditions , especially domestic ones, the legislation may need to be changed in ukraine in the security and defense sector in order to fully respond, i admit, but to turn it into a new national program when we already have the anniversaries of the national program. we have all mechanisms i think that this would be wrong and now the key question is that it is good that according to the simplified procedure, although it still sounds like separate countries, eh, i think that this will be

presented as a result. there must be a political invitation and it must be as soon as possible and then all the procedures and these procedures will take quite a long time because finland passed in a year and it is very fast actually so i think that a political decision , well at least we have to work on it so that it was in two santas, that is, at the most, either in vilnius or in washington next year on the jubilee, precisely those 75 years, when joseph biden's presidential company will also be in full swing, and i think that this would be a very significant thing about ukraine. until then, i wish the swedes success so that they really before that , they already had time to issue membership. well, ukraine

should be invited as much as possible to washington, because you understand the paradox of the situation, they say that after the war, believe me, after the war, they will speak completely differently while ukraine is really investing resources and people's lives in the protection of the eastern flank, well, of course, from its territory, we can talk about these political decisions as soon as this is all over, uh, it doesn't work, these are 50 issues that will deal with the country, too, and this must be understood, so we must to continue the line so that the first is a political decision to invite ukraine as a response to our application, everything else can be pressed there for several years, mr. valery, on june 15 , the 13th rammstein took place in brussels and there

experience, the minister of defense of the united states of america said that ukraine's struggle is not a marathon, and it is a marathon, not a sprint, so the united states of america continues to support ukraine in its defense against russian aggression in the long term , let's hear what austin said. the states are proud to have joined the fifty countries that provide vital security assistance to ukraine and we must be patient while ukrainians conduct this important campaign , president baide has repeatedly said that we will support ukraine on a long way i have to make sure that we provide exactly the help that will help ukraine to be successful, and i think that right now is a really critical moment on the battlefield. valery has a fairly simple question: the existence of the rammstein format is 50 countries, does this indicate that the west clearly understands what it should be

the end of the russian-ukrainian war, we talked about it. i think that the rammstein format, which includes not only the west, there are also asian countries, there is an african country . that is, it is a coalition. well, you can call it, uh, this coalition, anti-putin. and in order to prevent russia from winning and dominating in this part of the world . yes, i think that the choice was made . there were certain risks. just after uh and other options, so i will say yes, i think that they have made strategic decisions, but in these strategic decisions, they are going according to their plans, and our national plans can only

be agreed with the partners of the uz. we already see the provision of weapons. they do not coincide, and here the question is often not even in logistics , but in the fact that they implement their vision, their own strategy, that is, when we call on partners to give faster, then believe me, they understand perfectly well what they are doing, they have their own strategy to counter russia, the key task for them is to prevent e- is the destruction of their euro-atlantic unity and a threat to nato countries. that is, this is the number one task, in fact, to be honest, the second task is of course to help ukraine as much as possible, because if the first, if the second, help ukraine contain russia, then it will not succeed will face much more difficult challenges, that's why i'm sure that

the strategy is chosen, they are on our side, and now the only question is who these are, what price, who will pay for this victory over the aggressor, by the way, about the price of the prime minister of estonia kaya-kalla said that the democratic countries of the west should not pay for the damages caused by the russian war in ukraine and russia itself should do it, and the members of the estonian cabinet of ministers began to prepare a bill that would allow well, what exactly did the prime minister herself allow ukraine is a victim of the russian war and should receive compensation from russia, so we are developing a solution that will allow the use of frozen assets that were seized from russian citizens and companies due to sanctions to compensate for the damage caused by the war. estonia is the first country in the european union that has developed a solution for using of assets frozen

by sanctions, other countries can also use this model if they wish, when we talk about war and losses, of course , it is still difficult to calculate the exact figure losses, but this is definitely not even about hundreds of billions, probably already trillions. i think so, if we summarize everything accurately, the figure will probably be made public there by shmigel's government and we will understand how much these losses cost. will the world have enough opportunities to collect this reparation money in favor of ukraine and what will russia suffer from the damage they have caused us? well, of course, i will tell you that it is not russia, there, maybe this top is all criminal

. they seem huge, yes, that is, a trillion, but in fact there are hundreds of billions of only the property of this group, that's why the process and mechanism are important here. estonia did a very important thing. indeed, in the european union , unlike the usa and canada , there was no such mechanism, and you do you remember that switzerland, which is not a member of the eu, did some things, but if the european union will adopt this practice and freeze assets, well, firstly, how to freeze and secondly, how to direct to well , let's say compensation here, different legal the solution is a good way. step forward, now in relation to russia, there it will compensate if russia achieves the so-called peace talks, then

it will not give up any center, but only this , in order to succeed at this moment, freeze and give ukraine, that was all, if russia is defeated, then it will be for years and decades, russia will have to settle because the sanctions will not be lifted then, and any plane that flies somewhere can be arrested and taken for compensation, as they handed over to us now, including airplanes. depends on the results of this war because, i emphasize, russia is now very interested in fixing the situation in order to avoid , including the payment of funds that failed to be seized there, frozen somewhere, they very actively withdrew all the funds before the large-scale attack on ukraine, they hid them in various points the world, their personal funds, they were preparing at least this top

, they were preparing for this, so uh, only there they did not prepare more broadly, the business circles that they warned them there, therefore, i think that this issue is very important, because if there is not of justice after this war, the threat to peace in europe and the threat to ukraine will remain at a very high level, in addition to the deoccupation of the territory, there must be punishment of specific people, war criminals , prosecution, and the country and the russians must be punished. to stop it, i just wanted to say the ruble. well, i doubt that the ruble will mean anything then, that is , probably still the euro or the dollar, so that they , er, their oil dollars, gas dollars, what did they

direct in the first place to to compensate for huge ukrainian losses. by the way, these figures do not yet take into account indirect costs without losses . and how can we evaluate what they did? we still cannot imagine the scale of this country's ecological system with losses, well, the people of ukraine as a whole, and i do not rule out that there may also be personal lawsuits by citizens of ukraine who have lost some of their own and there are such families of both father and son, that is, i think that this can last a very long time, i will tell you that until recently germany was calculated after the fascists, that's why i think that it would be fair if russia compensated for everything to the last accent, if you can say that you can pay with money for the tragedies that it brought to our land

well, obviously, they will clearly understand that russia is an aggressor country, an occupier, and putin is a war criminal because, returning to today's economic forum in st. petersburg, i would like to quote the president of algeria, who called putin a friend of all mankind, a friend of all the countries of the world. we saw these friends who arrived today and will meet with putin tomorrow in which a way to convince friends from africa that putin is not their friend. well, i calculated three things, firstly , an interview, a lemon, for example, the french president of algeria, and how is macron now not a friend , that is, putin is now your best friend , secondly, that's all

- still find out what is so bad about the leader of algeria that he resorted to such reverends , he probably has some serious problems there. well, and the third thing is to seriously look if his leadership is in algeria now . who knows if they declare it publicly today, maybe tomorrow they will start uh-uh handing it over to russia or standing on the side of a small group of nuclear terrorist countries and russia has joined this club, i.e. lg. to be honest, well, i was surprised by the position here in this case, but it means that we too we have to constantly monitor what is changing in certain countries , because alzhi was not always in such a situation. i think our special representative for the middle east and africa, mr. sup, the ambassador, he was sent to know the situation better algeria, let's just say that i don't want to use it again, but

let's still put the destination in the stars. well, to at least mediately act there and ask such a question . well, you have to remember the old ukrainian proverb, say who is your second, and i will tell you who you are, well, at least this is what it sounds like at the end of our program. i would also like to mention the trial of 22 azov citizens. now they are being publicly tried in rostov-on-don. he faces from 15 years to life imprisonment for participating in the azov regiment , and the azov regiment is recognized in russia as a terrorist organization. organizations, eight of the 22 defendants who remained on the dock are women who reportedly worked as cooks in azov, what and how should representatives of the authorities on the ukrainian side do in order to avoid

the final verdict and why ukraine does not conduct such show trials against the russian occupiers who kill, rape and destroy ukraine, i will start with the last one, why do we not spend because we still adhere to international law, the rules of war, and if we become like monkeys, that is, do the same as the russians, then we will lose this argument, but well you're right, i really want to say that, let's do it symmetrically. it's just a question, i don't know the answer to it, when the prisoners were taken out of azov, uh, then we said that there would be no trials for them, that this was an agreed decision, that they are being taken out now, if it's destruction agreements that were guaranteed by third parties, and i look at the faces of our women and men, but they

are sitting there in a concentration camp. that is, it is a terrible situation from the outside. we have already worked to ensure that azov is not a terrorist organization. russian this is what i advised or what they dispersed for many years. i think it has already been overcome . now we just have to show this flagrant violation of the rules of war and not only the statements inside ukraine . it is necessary to do in this plan, because it is necessary to return our people in all possible ways. i think that the approach is to wait for the end of the war, well, this is the wrong approach. i know many people who work for these exchanges in groups and they are happening. thank god there is some kind of all na

not everyone succeeds, but here this issue must be raised on all platforms where human rights are discussed. russia cynically and brazenly initiates such a discussion about human rights , you understand. we use a little less, now we have to beat what they are doing now during the war , additional ones are not a crime according to the geneva convention, we have no right to deal with the competent people, i just behave like that not from the russians, because they have been doing it for a long time, but from those mediators who offered a solution there, and something like that , it’s all closed, we don’t know what was added there , but we can see the result. well, you mean the un and the red cross and turkey, i mean attention, you remember that the withdrawal from mariupol was made according to the agreement

, that is, the essence of these agreements. i don't know, we know that a group of people is in turkey, according to the geneva conventions, by the way, this is not a prisoner, but this stay, by the way, is also not the best staying until the end of the war in the third territory. and what was said about whether it is possible to do trials of combatants, this is prohibited. i don’t know what russia is doing now or we didn’t talk about it, that is, er, or well, then we need to raise this issue now with those who guaranteed such an exchange at that time thank you thank you mr. valery it was valery chalyi and a politician diplomat extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 friends we work live on the espresso tv channel as well as on our social networks and youtube for those who are now watch us live, please like this video, subscribe to our social networks, read our news on

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