[000:00:00;00] they know what was hidden at the bottom of the kahovsky reservoir with the realities and problems and well, the treasures that have already been announced , we will talk about it thank you for visiting, thank you, that is, the first question that i want to put in recent days, people with metal detectors are just making a pilgrimage to those areas that have already lost water in the kakhov reservoir, and the network is simply flooded with footage of people finding coins, ancient weapons, some historical artifacts, tell us. well, it ’s simple, and every day you see the news new ones treasures and what kind of territory is this, that it has become such a real discovery for many that this land does not just hide its treasures, it

is, well, a historical story, well, the cradle of the ukrainian cossacks. as it turned out, i would like to say that this is not just the cradle of the ukrainian cossacks. it is extraordinary a unique ecological natural area that was destroyed in the 50s of the 20th century. and before that, it was known from the 5th century bc. it was first mentioned by herodotus as the famous area of ​​hylia. this is an area that was its wealth is extraordinary, and herodotus compared it to the nile floodplain, and this territory provided a colossal amount of land on which you could actually grow a huge amount of grain, there was an incredible amount of game, fish stocks, and all this natural wealth, it is always made velikiy lug extremely interesting and extremely rich from a historical

point of view, the territory was located there, the heart of royal scythia was not located around it , the burial mound of the largest burial mound scythian royal mounds were formed there huge territories that are related to the middle ages from the ulyach tribesmen who in the middle ages during the time of russia e there actually created the so-called and southern russia and the most important thing that is known, of course , the most famous period for ukraine is actually the era of the zaporizhzhya cossacks when it is around the great meadow and in the most in the meadows, a sich society is formed there. sichs are built there. the cossacks had an endless resource that allowed them to survive in such a harsh environment, a nomadic environment around them. and in the zaporozhian siche proper, they were so, well, one.

symbols of the ukrainian identity of the ukrainian nation, and these very objects were flooded during the apovo kraz, and it was absolutely true that it was flooded. studied, i knew only one zaporizhzhia sich . well, there was zaporizhzhia sich, the only place where there were cossacks . it turns out that there were several of them. one of bohdan khmelnytskyi's hikes is what i researched amateurly, studying some, well, in the same way, in 2019, i really delved into this history a little earlier and discovered for myself that there were several zaporozhian sichs, which we can now see on the map and in relation to to the landscape that was blue before the explosion of the kakhov hpp - this is water, marked with gray - this is dry land and

we can see red dots - this is the actual location of these sichs nova sich and chertomlytska sich and we will also get to the importance of the history of these sichs in general is very related to dates, but it is not for nothing that there are dates here. i specifically left them because , look, and first of all, we need to know the value of these sich for our history . er bohdan khmelnytskyi dies er well, the ninth is when mazepa and petro had problems and mazepa had to er leave ukraine, that is, in essence, this sich hides the entire unknown period of the essence of ukrainian history, because we are talking about cossacks are usually at the basic level as well we know from bohdan khmelnytskyi to ivan mazepa, we don't know anything about what happened there . look at this. this is a history textbook that says that from 1752 to 1709

, go and investigate everything, find out what was there , everything that was there, and the second of january. what is new sich, what is it interesting, and we explored it exactly. in the documentary film "sarbination", this is the third film from the series "ukraine returning its history." by themselves when they had already cut off all the free cossacks in these territories. that is, this is also a very colossal achievement. it is also like the second volume of this history textbook. and what interested us when we were shooting a film about the cossacks ? now, maxim may correct me, i call it a legend, but nevertheless, it should be checked on sich. the cossacks had a wooden church in the center, and there they usually hid their office

. that is, they could hide papers there. that is, all these signs of the cossack power are the maces of the bunchuks, and our goal in this film was to find these kleinodes, because according to one of the legends in novaya sich , these kleinodes were precisely located in this flooded church, i now suggest that we look, we know that you dived dived i personally did not dive a colleague of mr. maksym, a professional archaeologist, dmytro kabalie with the author of the film , the akim of the heads, i wanted us to watch this fragment now, what did we see when we dived at the kakhov reservoir? we are looking for the remains of the church of the intercession under water, a gigantic number of monuments disappeared under water, that is, 1,000 objects , if the kakhovsky reservoir of the idneprovsk reservoir is drained, then a lot of morphological science will have to be rewritten again

because new data will appear that will completely change the representation of the past, we decide to dive, can the rest of the relics and khmelnytskyi's mace is still under water dmytro examines the bottom with a special underwater metal detector, i'm trying to find maybe some remains of a church detected by the ground-penetrating radar, we come across a wooden object similar to the remains of a pillar. it is the maximum that these are the guys , then what did they manage to find? well, in fact , the expedition was more of an introductory nature, and dmytro correctly said that the bottom of the kakhovsky reservoir or the great zaporizhia meadow these are thousands of monuments, and from the middle of the 16th century to 1775 , there were 8 of sicha, and all of them practically remained unexplored and were only partially available

for research. khortytsi this is the first actually considered either against sich or 1 sich and kamianska sich in the kherson region, all other sich really ended up under water nearby, also mykytyn sich basalutska sich tomakiv sich i.e. the cossacks during their three-hundred-year history constantly changed the locations of their capitals , this is very points were important but they changed because of the environmental situation because of a similar situation because of military changes because of changes in tactics or their or their opponents and accordingly january constantly changed their location accordingly these strata of history. they remained at best in historical documents and in a very small number of monuments, and there were practically no full-fledged archaeological excavations of sich and adjacent territories. i would like to add

that it is extremely important for this sich toponymy, especially in in the area of ​​chortomlytsk and novaya sich there was a treasure river, its name itself speaks for itself, and this is true in cossack practice, there was a practice of hiding the most valuable things in the river because they could go to a great campaign and then return to another sich or remain a sich destroyed, respectively, was the practice of hiding the treasure at the bottom of the river, which now, to this day , it will slowly open after the destruction of the kakhov reservoir and see its course absolutely true absolutely true i would like to finish the story with this diving so that we can now watch the video now the entries left the kahovsky reservoir and the viewers of the documentary film they sent us a video about what happened at the place where we dived

now, if you can show this video, everything is probably clearly visible from the entrance before this, before that there was a wooden church there, and after that , after the destruction of sich, it was slightly rebuilt and already laid out with bricks. that is , we have a clear place of the last church of sich . this is really a national shrine and this very place is me for the whole south of ukraine as a tithe church for kievan rus' therefore this is just a very important message and now who are we acting as listeners we just have to speak this message is important for what we we are showing this, we are not showing it in order to say, look, we dived then , the waters receded, we dived in the right place , and now maxim says that this is really a church, we all see and hear what meaning it has, this church, but there is one very

important one here message is it now to protect all these places from black archaeologists to start talking and i started like this because at the local level we have very cool communities of archaeologists there in volyn er-e galicia, well, in the south there are also in the east, but at the national level in for some reason, archaeologists do not react in such a consolidated way to us. we need some kind of position so that now it all needs to be protected. in other words, we need its archaeologists to react somehow. well, we started with this, that they can somehow. i would like to report that in fact this issue is extremely relevant and is under the direct control of the cabinet of ministers and the minister of culture and personally, i am leaving for zaporizhzhia tonight and will actually be there in cooperation with the military to look into this situation and see what needs to be done take priority steps because i wanted to remind you that this is not just now the territory

of monuments or an ecological disaster . this is a direct front line . this is a direct line of confrontation. a few kilometers to the orcs, because there was a water surface in kakhovka, now it is the immediate front line of our defense , so all the actions that should take place there will be coordinated with the ministry of defense and with those specialists who are needed for this. personally, i am going there today and i want to help my colleagues on the spot because a lot of our guys are fighting , someone has died, and to organize a full -fledged expedition now in the conditions of a full-scale war, we need to contact all government services because, well, in fact , now the archaeological community is a significant number of our soldiers, they are at the front and their it is necessary to return, give an opportunity to explore at least a superficial development regime of this territory, to involve specialists of the institute

of archeology of the regional inspections of local historians so that these monuments are really preserved for generations, well, for the first time, such a territory was opened for research, everything must be preserved, an incredibly interesting conversation, a short break, how many minutes do we continue, if we are going to fight , our children, protect our own, who am i, a marine, why, because a warrior who is loyal, when always , marines, universal warriors who operate from the sea , air and land, who exactly know what

it is to lead, to fight and to win. glory to the marines of the naval forces of the armed forces of ukraine, you want to eventually come to ukraine, but the insidious brain continues hold on to russian like jack ze those doors catch a few simple and effective times first write in ukrainian search for information on the internet write messages to friends and colleagues in ukrainian don't be shy to use the spell check function this is not a school olympiad there will be no disqualification from the entrance chat second choose the ukrainian press and media buy ukrainian-language books and press watch movies with ukrainian dubbing or in the original with ukrainian subtitles we really have the coolest studio from the beach i'll be the third to protect children from russification speak with

children in ukrainian choose ukrainian-language books for them, games for cartoons requires teachers in kindergartens and schools to communicate with children of the state language so it can be difficult for them too, so show them this video to switch to ukrainian is easy, you just need to start with the fragment that we just demonstrated from your film a phrase was uttered about the fact that history will have to be rewritten anew, why was it so and was it really after what you saw at the bottom of this shallow reservoir, you received confirmation of this thesis of yours, we saw oh, there are some contours of the buildings, they are not clear now. they need to be researched, but the plan is that the story will need to be adjusted, maybe not rewritten. and to adjust it is exactly the same as ideas here. i would like to emphasize exactly the domestic history, because it is some kind of

small things, but they sometimes give such a non-standard vision of history, here is one small example, when they excavated the place where the battle of berestey took place, there is now a museum of the field of the battle of berestey, and archaeologists found there the cossacks who died in battle, what they found in cossacks on their feet, they found leather boots in the goat's feet, what are the leather boots of bohdan khmelnytskyi's time, well, that's what i would say , well, that's enough, well, not luxury, but at least a sign of such status they wore and in our country cossacks already walked in leather boots er, what am i leading to the fact that now in these places such a large stratum can be opened in such a micro-archeology, if it were called such a household archeology that

will reveal to us such details of history through which we we will be able to understand- to understand eh so where is ukrainian culture eh and our capabilities so within the same 17th century with leather boots there is russian with boots well here i would like to add that the history of material culture is what archeology actually studies it is extremely powerful and the period actually from the lithuanian period of the history of ukraine, it was generally considered not necessary for research in soviet times. that is, we know extremely little about what the people of the lithuanian period looked like. how are the times of the commonwealth of nations like the times of the hetmanship, that is, the whole this period was either unexplored or deliberately brushed aside as unnecessary, because it was necessary to highlight a little different period , and in addition to nova sich, chortomlytskyi, there is also mykytynska tomakivska pozaulutska sich and the kamyanska sich layer has now been revealed and most importantly, we can trace the evolution of such

phenomena such as the zaporizhian cossacks and cossacks in general, because for us it is extremely important , we all have such a marker in our anthem and we will show that he is a brother of the cossack family, in what way we do not know what the cossacks looked like in the 16th century, we do not know what they looked like in the first half of the 17th century, we are absolutely a harem image that was created by a little bit of the populace. there was no ugu and everything and the world movement, of course, not many had it, but everything was much more complicated, and in those harems lay the cossack victory and not in the harems was the actual cossack power it was one of the most powerful chivalric associations of that time , and that is why they are constantly trying to tell us this story, who remembers that the first cossack hetman was mr. lyanskorodsky e marshalok e kamiansky, who was a slave knight of god, that the founder of the first sich on malia khortytsia, dmytro vyshnevetskyi, was the princes and elders

of the cherkasy kaniv, that is, the modern governor, who mentions the princes of the ruzhyn deshkovics and so on , that is, there is a huge plast of history, actually that the cossacks were a much more complex phenomenon than what russian culture tried to impose on us that these are guys, absolutely we drink vodka and have fun, of course there was a popular element that established the basis of this organization, but imagine in the 16th century some unknown people boarded hundreds of ships and they sailed to istanbul, the level of organization of such an army was extremely high , you had to know logistics, you had to know organization and navigation here , there were a lot of questions, people with extremely high military experience , qualifications equal to knowledge, and so on, they constantly tried to tell us that well, the zaporozhians - this or the cossacks. it was such a poorly educated, not very controlled system

, in fact. it was an extremely highly organized system headed by the best. that is, it was the principle of meritocracy when elections were held every year, they chose the best leaders who could in a total environment, absolutely, absolutely right , and this you hear this story, we have to study and understand it, and it is definitely historical, it is important to understand the little things that actually make up history , how they lived, how they ate, how they what i i would say so to a global trifle, but i have a question for you, you mentioned these cossack campaigns and i understand that we do not have that original cossack seagull found anywhere, which they are from the middle of the 17th century. of the traditional cossack, there are ships derived from chaika, found in particular in your reserve in khortytsia, they are in the hangar, we also filmed them in this documentary film. do you have any shot locations there, well, relatively speaking, near siche

, were there any wharf ports where you can now try the legendary all well, find a seagull. well, 100% that all sichi were ports . it was a port from which sea campaigns began or through some trade led to black sea law. 100% there are remains of seagulls , galleys of other ships, because of cossack types there were much more boats than we think and this is also a separate class of history that needs to be researched near khortytsia. we were lucky because we managed to find e.e. seagulls or other examples of the first half of the 18th century when there was a zaporizhzhya shipyard on malia khortytsia after the russo-turkish war and there, the cossacks actually built these ships, including for the entire flotilla, and we have this one , two zero, this is the history of this period, but you definitely need to understand how this history developed in

the 17th and 16th centuries, because the first seagulls actually for the defense of tomakiv sich, it is near the modern city of margane from the dnipropetrovsk region, and one day prince dmytro vyshnevetskyi proposed to use it for the protection and defense of the crossings from the tatar detachments, and this was the first such story with the last seagulls, and then it went, this story in the unification of their great fleet and already powerful sea campaigns that stretched for several decades , tell me the significance of the found seagull for ukrainian history, what will it be, what is this level, what is this level, to find a crown, some kind of king, well any and all remains of original sich items of the 17th and 16th centuries will be national relics in any case , that is, any such find will become a national relic, and here the state must really make efforts to conduct

comprehensive research. to save this heritage from looting, unfortunately, the so-called black archeology, i don’t like this term, there is a concept of robbery, or there is no black archeology, but there are those people who unconsciously are doing bad things now and can simply destroy our ukrainian extremely important cultural heritage. they should think 10 times, and the state should attract 10 times all possible internal and external resources in order to put this heritage under protection, conduct the necessary research where conservation is necessary , and really start to revive our lost history, namely the construction of this in your opinion, such a giant reservoir is artificial, was it justified only from the point of view of some hydrotechnical conditions , etc.

the main, possibly additional side, was to bury under water some part of the ukrainian history of the ukrainian identity, because this particular area, they say, was very restless in terms of the fact that some riots constantly broke out there, some manifestations of civil disobedience, but these people who lived there did not want to obey the soviet government was it really just a matter of economics and hydrotechnical conditions, or was it the goal to bury a large piece of ukrainian identity, you know here faster after all, somewhere on a subconscious level, those who tried to destroy any ukrainian identity in general had a desire to wipe out everything ukrainian, and we can see this clearly in kyiv , the demolition of the mykhailo golden tower there and many different ones, the same mezhygorsk spas , the water will go away and people will simply die there was no such thing in the kakhov reservoir. this was an absolutely deliberately planned action to

create such an artificial artificial reservoir, but the fact that it was deliberately directed against such a certain ukrainian ethnic group that was right on the dnieper. i believe that this is true and that this catastrophe, which was caused by the creation of the kakhov reservoir itself , led to the destruction of these individual islands of ukrainian national culture and identity that have remained since ancient times and right on the banks of the dnieper villages were destroyed, they would have been replaced by some industrial facilities, and this is not an excuse to take which, unfortunately , it will be impossible to restore, because this is about the loss of the ukrainian identity of the south, and now russia itself has taken advantage of this which tells that there was nothing here except novorossia in fact. this was the original ukrainian territory; moreover, this territory was inhabited by slavic

tribes in the middle ages, as i already said, vultures and vagabonds , who are known in the annals, and this was such southern russia, exactly as there were cockroaches the principality as uh, the same korsun was subordinated to the kiev princes , i.e. chersonese, uh, ukrainian history is much more interesting and more significant than uh, imperial historians tried to give us. and, of course , there was a certain system of clearing, for example, everything what was related to sich sich was shown only from the point of view of anti-polish, i.e. everything that happened before bohdan khmelnytskyi . some important phenomenon exclusively because of their anti-polish at that time anti-polish confrontation, so here we now have to restore this history and return to the depths of where it all began, what

were the stages of evolution, what were the influences, because ukraine and the cossacks were sandwiched between three empires, in fact, on one side, the commonwealth of nations, a huge territory that had a larger catholic population, on the other side, muscovy, and from the south, it was the ottoman empire, and ukraine at that time found itself in extremely difficult geopolitical conditions and became the arena of endless battles in this history it is necessary to study , it is necessary to save, preserve those monuments and actually educate future generations on these monuments, and this one about the myth of novorossia, too , i would like to expand this topic a little more widely , how important are the finds precisely on on the banks of the dnieper well, in general, in the south of ukraine, because this old russian narrative, which they created about novorossia back in the 19th century, is strangely still used by all historians in the west. that is, in ukraine, we are already, if we compare our level

of development, western historians our level of development. i would say something very bold right now, but our historians are a step ahead because they know the true history of the south of ukraine much better than the western ones, because the westerners still use the achievements of the russian empire, for example, the city of odessa what struck me during the filming of the documentary treasures of the nation is very clearly visible, what is it about, for example , when we were preparing for filming, i needed to research the history of odessa as a screenwriter, and i had a selection from literature , i thought that a western historian will probably write the most objectively and i bought a book that i forgot the name of the author of the book, but it was called odessa, the city of nests, and in this the first chapter is very briefly about the whole prehistory of this odessa, and then the chapters go , er, this russian imperial history of the city odesa, diribas, pushkin and so on and the like are simply rewritten in russian, all the meetings and these findings that we will now find are apart of them. we should not be ashamed to call them sensations. we should not be ashamed

to promote them to the whole world. maybe our archaeologists should not be like that, even historians humble they should say that this is a sensation they should say everything that they will find there that these are unique finds because this is the only way we can reach western historians so that they think, so that they start talking and writing about it already rewriting the history of a and ukraine at the world level and i will say yes and e and more to finish about novorossia too for me , it was such a discovery as to how ridiculous this idea is when russians talk about the fact that the south of ukraine is the original russian land now, on the example of one story that also grew up on the banks of the dnieper, eh, tell about it, when we were preparing the project ukrainian palaces of the golden age, it so happened that we drew attention to one palace that stands on the right bank of the dnieper, eh, right there,

not far from novaya tiles, uh, i would like too now let us look at the footage, it is very clear how the waters of the kakhovsky reservoir came very close to this palace, this is novoaleksandrivka , these are the waters of the kakhovsky reservoir, this palace is destroyed , here is the water around it, and when we were there , the locals told us that the water flooded the park and some estates of this palace and now the most important thing is who did this palace belong to, this palace belongs to the falzwein family, which came from germany in order to engage in er breeding er animal husbandry in the south of ukraine, and they in the south of ukraine had as many as three palaces and if you look at the map of southern ukraine this falzwagen family by the way askania-nova why is it called askania-nova and we never thought about it because falzhein founded this reserve and named it so in honor of the askania territory from which they came from