[000:00:00;00] what's wrong with the arguments, you can read it on the media detector. by the way, lina chicheryna , an art reviewer, was with us, they talked about the interview of spartak saturday and nataliya moseichuk . thank you for being with us for these three hours , but andriy sychuk and i will return at 2 p.m. i hope that you will want to spend another three hours with us, because there is still a lot to discuss, stay with the press. glory to ukraine, this is a verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. i congratulate everyone . today is an unusual day in ukraine, because today the leaders of seven african countries came to kyiv. of the countries with a peace plan, the leaders of the south african republic of egypt, senegal, zambia, and the republic of the congo proposed

and came with a plan. they proposed to zelensky a plan for a peaceful settlement. the details of this plan are still unknown, but as the leaders of african countries declare, the goal of this plan is to establish peace after the russian invasion of ukraine in at the time when the african leaders had already arrived in the ukrainian capital, russia fired at ukraine and in particular kyiv - six calibers, six daggers and two reconnaissance the drone was shot down, they were angry at kyiv, the most interesting thing is that tomorrow the leaders of seven african countries are supposed to meet with vladimir putin in st. petersburg, what they will say and what they will say to him after today's shelling is unknown, but some of the african leaders

pretended today that they did not hear and do not know about shelling during their visit to kyiv, instead , vladimir putin put on a whole show at the st. petersburg economic forum today. he talked a lot about what and how the russian federation should do. in the current conditions, he fell the way the russian economy is developing during the last year of the year of the great war between russia and ukraine. well, of course, there are many messages. according to his press secretary, the sand was made towards the west. he said that nuclear weapons should be reduced. vladimir

putin said that all western weapons that arrive in ukraine will be destroyed by the russian invaders like gorillas, leopards , and f-16 planes will also burn. russia continues to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, russia has already lost 218,500 people in ukraine in the last day alone , the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 500 orks with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,000 e-e 1965 tanks 7683 combat armored vehicles 3,812 artillery systems 606 rocket launchers 364 air defense equipment 314 aircraft 301 helicopters 6,500-19 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 1 1999 cruise

missiles - 3 357 drones 519 units of special techniques. so african peace for ukraine, f-16 is already on the approach to ukraine, and putin, as he himself said, finally agreed about this and other things, we will talk about this and other things during our program with our guest, a politician, diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015- 2019 valeryem chalyn p valeryu i congratulate you, it's great to see you on our air i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes, let's start with the visit of the leaders of african countries, because today is quite a revealing day, russia usually when the leaders are flying or arriving now. world leaders are sure to arrange shelling in kyiv. we remember how

general secretary renato came to kyiv last may and were shelled just during this shelling . our colleague from radio svoboda was killed. we remember how joseph biden flew to kyiv and arrived as an air alert was announced due to the ice of bombers on the territory of belarus. well, today also six calibers, six daggers, well, in a word , quite such a powerful, powerful salute was from on the part of the russian federation for the flight of doves of peace from africa dmytro kuleba, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, said that this was a signal to the african delegation and that putin wants more war, not peace, wrote the head of the ministry of foreign affairs, let me remind you that today he met the leaders of african countries that, after the actual air alarm sounded and

they were obviously in hiding, said that they did not notice anything. but first, let's listen to kuleba . in recent weeks, precisely during the visit of african leaders to our capital, russian missiles are a message to africa, russia wants more war, not peace, so let 's go first, what the leaders of african countries brought, because now no one can understand what this peace plan is, first, let's thank the defense forces to the air force of our air defense forces that they already work so professionally on their equipment and on the one provided. therefore, this is a clear signal that the equipment works in professional hands, it must come, and then

people's lives will be saved, what happened blow eh, i'll tell you. well, it's unlikely that they plan to suspend all these strikes because now they have specific goals of a slightly different order, but i don't rule out that they didn't cancel here precisely in order to show eh traditional russian this is a gesture towards peace that will actually have little effect on the leaders of africa . they have not seen this. of course, these are not missile strikes , but they live in a somewhat different paradigm. more where and besides terrorist groups that are in these countries. well, if it was more peaceful here, we probably should have proposed a peace

plan for africa and not the other way around, so i believe that what they call a peace plan is also from those sources that were in the media and what they themselves said is not realistic. the peace plan is realistic - it is a screen to cover completely different goals of their visit, this is a ticket to the kremlin or to st. petersburg for a meeting on their issues. and the fact that they still came by transit through the pechersky hills. this good at least get information but from the first tail, of course, they noticed everything, they understand everything perfectly, only they have goals, their other goals are for the supply of russian fertilizers, the discovery is that russia already really wants a plane about water, tagliatti, odesa , then grain, of course, and for this all the lifting of sanctions and this is the key lifting of sanctions from russia. that is, this is what they were asked

at meetings and during the lavrov and putin tour, that is, it is clear that they will talk about this first of all , therefore there is no realistic peace plan, uh, but at least communication can to give opportunities to the ukrainian side, after all, to say in the future that we have brought you absolutely clear information and the trip in the buchea means that they got acquainted with this weapon in russian, which simply does not go astray and they saw it. by the way, they are even more interested not anti-aircraft defense systems and missiles, but what they saw near the ministry of foreign affairs is more interesting, these are all excited russians, but soviets. maybe there is also equipment that was very clearly our professionals, here they

are filming, and they will think very much that three times what they need to buy for themselves for the scale of the conflicts they have, that is, i do not expect any peace plan to be implemented , and contact with the leaders of african countries will be useful, that is, their diplomatic abilities should not be underestimated, they used this situation for their own purposes . the proposal or among the demands that they could bring to kyiv, we are talking now hypothetically, because i have not yet seen the official release, i do not know for sure what is being prepared in the office of the president and in the ministry of foreign affairs, there was a kind of demand that kyiv somehow influence the withdrawal of the warrant of the international criminal court for putin or putin's movement around the world is limited, it is clear that this order can be canceled only by judges of the international criminal court, no one else, that is, can it be that in this package from african countries from the leaders of african

countries there was such a proposal that let's change it putin's order for putin for the withdrawal of troops there because we will say yes to the freezing of the conflict. no, i do not rule out that the leader of south africa of the south african republic is primarily interested in this topic, because meetings are planned there groups of countries that russia is part of bx and south africa and they need to do something to defuse this situation with the participation or directly or even online of the culprit of the criminal and of course they would now be very interested in such a course of events it is clear that this and the kremlin is pushing them to be there they didn't say it was serious, such a brand, eh, at the moment, it can end

badly in the future, and since things have changed in serbia, they also said that it was unreal, as a result, an african leader became real - they know this very well, they have a couple of cases there were already such ones. until now, one of them is sitting there in case , and the other traveled and tried to tell them that they would accept him in neighboring countries, of course, he was accepted there once, and then again, this is a very familiar story for them . of course, they can, so to speak, present the soil, the attitude of ukraine, but the attitude of ukraine, you know, it is officially expressed, so they will not achieve anything here . they are thinking about the next one, as the russians say already out of good will, they will plant it when , under the pressure of our armed forces, they will have to turn their heels, then they will say, and we

agreed to exchange it for a change of attitude towards putin. that is why it is unrealistic and in general there such a set hmm some connections if we believe because you were like that i emphasize once again there is nothing seriously realistic in this so-called peace plan as i already said which uh these leaders of african countries will meet with putin in st. petersburg at the international economic at the forum today, the kremlin grandfather spoke at this forum, gave a press conference, spoke about neo-nazism in ukraine, spoke a lot about the success of russia during this year , the first year of the great war, and the 10th year of

the russian-ukrainian war. and all, and also not without threats, look at the kremlin, the residents of the president of the russian federation , the attacks on the belgorod region, there neighboring regions of russia, this is all the demand, and the demand to provoke us to respond to action, well, listen, if we are near kiev destroyed five complexes of patriots, what is worth to us, will destroy any building and construction in the center of kyiv . there are no such restrictions. they are just waiting for us to start pressing buttons. well, there is no such need . they don’t have buttons like that to press. and if you are serious, he is talking about p mr. petriv well, i came across the figure that two patriots are standing near kiev, that is, how could he destroy five there, he also answered questions

about nato, he said that nato is of course involved in the war in ukraine, that the west is trying to limit the russians in nuclear weapons and to reduce nuclear weapons and he answered that it sucks and well, that is, the style of the gopnik er was entered into this er st. petersburg economic forum and piskov said well there are many signals for the west, let them listen to what are these signals, mr. valery er, you know well if you try to seriously analyze these statements, they have really changed a lot, you see, it is not possible anymore, there is no such thing as it used to be, but still there is an intention to show that they can achieve such extraordinary goals. 5 m is two

variants eh or simply propaganda of lies and what they use, putin himself has already started to use this tool constantly, although i will tell you that he tried to avoid it in his time. and there is a closer, worse story if they report to him like that, that is, maybe they reported to him about petre ot, just like he once did about them there, the military spokesman said that they were leopard tanks. they just hit all three , or five, and it was from helicopters, and then it became clear that these were combine harvesters, that is, i assume that they can simply introduce him with such unreliable information to twist his wishes

activity with energy and to please his painful ego so that he continues er this war , so the second statement is that i will hit any object i come across, well listen kindergartens, hospitals, maternity homes, er, this means for sure, i can’t deny that they get hit and less and less because our ppu works reliably, well, listen, he can puff out his cheeks , but let’s just take his interview about it, his wonderwafe, magical weapon, daggers, which he just scared the world even scared america the president of the united states, i remember saying yes, this is such a weapon and a football hypersonic one, that it is possible to shoot it down . i remember this briefing, and that the systems showed not only petriv, but by the way, are the daggers of six calibers all in the interval eh, it's simple with a minus, that is, i think that this message was still more internal

for the russians, they no longer try to cover up the lie because it is part of the war and the lie has been told 10 times plus from the high stands, this is the hebbelsonian approach implemented by the fascists , which unfortunately sometimes works what is the audience there she is different than the one who smiles and just laughs at what lavrov said, i was attacked and what putin says, that is, they live in a completely different paradigm in a different world, yes, they will be until the end, until everything is destroyed, they will try to destroy, try to scare to try to blackmail them, there was and will be a basic approach to this, you have to be ready, and this blackmail is often not based on real possibilities, that is, it must be said that in principle

, in the classics, there are certain chinese and sunzi treatises, clauseris even wrote about it what to show the enemy more and we are the enemy for them in this case to show more opportunities, what is this, too, an element of the war , that's why this is how it should be perceived, and the only thing that is needed in this situation is the statement that we will strike there with f-16s, they don't were then it is necessary to take these statements he already did it then we need to analyze our answer in what way i was preventive measures and i think this statement should push er and provided aircraft to ukraine 4 + there platforms and long-range missiles that is, besides that he is already fine understands if he does that well

putin or someone else will do that to them. he opens completely different opportunities from our side. moreover, i will not say that this will be some kind of new wave of escalation. it will simply be more opportunities for ukraine to hit that airfield for those goals where the citizens constantly see the alarm rising. the mig 31s are going up, why aren't they going up there? they are going up in order to hit people in kyiv, in other cities, and even more so, we are kherson, now kryvyi rih, that is, what doesn't allow us, uh, they simply prevent these launches from that territory with point of view the introduction of the conflict is nothing but, well, there are already calculations, what do we use, how do we use, that is, listen to this , there is nothing new, he will scare you constantly, and if you are afraid of this, then he is actually the winner. but this should not happen because it is all

already blackmail. stopped working well, you asked about the fact that they are threatening the f-16 planes that have not yet arrived in ukraine, but our pilots are already starting to learn, there is a program yesterday on rammstein, they agreed that in norway, denmark there will be our e in the netherlands and in denmark, our pilots will learn to fly these planes. lavrov said this. if we see what it is like in 16. they fly over ukraine and create a threat to russia, the answer will be military-technical, and besides, putin also said that president biden is an adult and an experienced person, not for us teach him, let him do what he thinks is necessary. and we will do what is in the interests of russia, the son will have to be reckoned with, added the president of russia, or is it clear that the whole world will watch this style of gopnik and the son will be reckoned with and in what way

pay attention to the fact that er putin is constantly rattling his weapons. that is, where is the limit beyond which well, it is the end simply because the behavior that he already demonstrated today er, frankly speaking well , she is impressively insolent to such an extent that i rewatched all these records and i just didn't have enough words to somehow react to it. in fact, uh, i think that the basic that's why he does this , he came back again. yes, you saw a certain period somehow more like this is a problem of problems that really arise not only there with that what was planned and with what will happen next he sees and in principles there are people closer and not military who understand where it is all moving and therefore he needs to speed up the end of the war of surrender of ukraine, he will do it in two ways by searching for these peace plans that

will be carried by the chinese there africans and secondly raising the stakes of intimidation as much as possible means p-16 he said, so this is the first thing, this is what is really needed and unfortunately for our company. now, the company is older, we don’t have such an opportunity. they told us that you don’t need f16. well, by the way, not only in 16, we are talking about different types, and there can be comprehensive decision, but the second important question in this situation is that he is not testing the courage of the political president of the united states, that is, the message came to intimidate the president of the united states, from my point of view, this is such a cynical form , as lavrov said, the turn is familiar, that is, they intimidate the president of the united states of the first country in the world economically and militarily

they are threatening to take actions that have already been announced in principle. that is, it calls into question the quality, they are deliberately doing it in the company of the president in the capacity of joseph biden, i think that he, having political experience, will react appropriately and not in the way that moscow wants. keep in mind that they are playing along with trump now, and you read this statement a few days ago. the united states of america will affect the end of the russian-ukrainian war and the fact that if trump comes, he will simply collapse and russia will stop where it is now, well, that's another question. i think you know a lot of such unknowns. trump will come or someone else

will that is, i would not say so unambiguously i didn't read what oland said. now, but i definitely understand that the situation will be much more complicated and we can't predict now, just what we can say now is that the company will take into account this geopolitical element. well, maybe it will be seriously different from any previous and that is, well, conventionally speaking, in the top five or there in the top ten issues that will be discussed by the americans and put on the body of the tv show. yes, when there are candidates, there will be a question about the russian war against ukraine and in a broader plan and position china and the conflict with china and all the others will not be, and of course the determination of each candidate , including joseph biden, is very important here , so of course he needs to approach the period

of such an active phase of the company next year with results, and he must understand the sooner ukraine will have those opportunities which today do not allow us to move much faster. so it will be all the more effective for him to use certain arguments there in the spring, that is, i would say so. that is, it can become an element of his pre-election debates or campaign, and i don't really later with mr. woland, that everything will stop immediately depending on the results of the united states elections, there are elements there, even such fatigue of the american society from the theme of the warrior can play its role, that is, it is difficult to say now how it will affect, but what affects at

the moment and uh, it is possible hmmm, the russian goal is to show joseph bayro without making up his mind , because they are openly mocking joseph abyden on their state channels. is calling for ukraine to give up the territory. well, let's say so. in short, they will do it to attack and now they are taking on, you know what they are called in the backdoor, they are taking the americans for fear. i want to see how it will end this time, because to be honest it worked in the beginning, now i really hope it won’t work. i would very much like to take a step forward preventively, that is, so far, why is putin saying that he feels that the reaction is following his steps, if he takes a step in

advance, the entire reconstruction will collapse a step forward has not been made in the history of the zaporizhzhia npp and we are now watching over the past 14 months how russia is basically blackmailing the zaporizhzhia npp the whole world , i.e. nuclear blackmail is going on zelensky says that russia wants to blow up the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in order to destabilize the situation in ukraine, percent said in an interview yu nbc news and he said that the west should speed up the provision of military aid to ukraine so that ukraine finally wins victory over the russian occupiers, let's hear and see what zelensky said, russia wants to blow up the eu because, just like with the dam, they are not interested in security in ukraine, they constantly need destabilization here and they want the flower to put pressure on ukraine for the necessary invariant of freezing this

conflict. rafael rusi is the general director of megate after visiting the zaporizhia npp, which is under the control of the russians in energodar said that from the amount of water that is at the npp station, it can be safe for a certain time, according to the money, there is evaporation, there may be a certain leakage of water, but he must rely on this equal, we will hear more money, i needed to see with my own eyes what the situation was, because there was some contradictory information and views , what equal, i was able to talk with the management here, they explained to me what they plan to do, and it seems rational, we will continue to monitor the situation and work every day, sir valery in the history of the zaporizhzhia npp. is there no means in the store and in the world for measures that they

can take against russia, well, with regard to the same licenses for the construction of nuclear power plants in to the whole world, uh, rosatom has a lot of contracts, or why is there no tough and tough reaction to this? well, there are many of us , the organization was created under a certain mandate, and i will say this: today it is ineffective . well, to put it mildly, what this representative is saying is, well, honestly i am told by a person who just listens to this after being advised by specialists, it is very sad to hear because there was no radiation emission at the chernobyl station, now he guides us all to the water level, even non- specialists will tell you one key thing that money has to be aware of this, to constantly shout at the world , the key problem of the zaporozhye station is that