[000:00:00;00] with regard to the same e-licenses for the construction of nuclear power plants all over the world e-e rosatom has many contracts or why is there no tough and tough reaction to this, well, there is an organization created under a certain mandate, and i will say this today it is not working effectively well, to put it mildly what this representative is saying is, well, to be honest, to me, a person who just listens to it after being advised by specialists is very sad to hear, because he did not have any radiation emissions at the chernobyl station, now he is orienting us all to the water level, they will tell you not even anymore

specialists , one key thing that money should be aware of is that it is constantly whining about the world . the key problem of the zaporizhzhia station is that it is in the hands of the occupier. man-made catastrophe is now one of their plans, just like it can be at the excavation in the crimean titan, other enterprises have now seen that it works and that's why they will do it, but it won't help anything here, because it has to just free from the occupier this territory that he uses is mined . by the way, what is going on around there, i didn’t hear him talking about the water level , and where are the pumps with hoses of 2 km that were made there after the stress test for that

in order to avoid the situation in the focus. do you work artesian wells, is there access or not? he is talking about these pictures. well, now i have not heard from him that we probably need an alternative feed into the network that is controlled by russia, and i really hope that at least they will supply clothes for cooling the fifth block so that russia does not use it as a lever, then the influence is constant, unfortunately. they dance as well as they can, but it seems to me that they also dance, but i will just say my observations. responsible for the security of the russian rich department only shatti russian agents, that is, it is clear that the same money is limited to certain actions, i understand perfectly well, but in this situation of a global challenge, he has to behave er truthfully

and definitely avoid playing along with the russians yes such an approach that we will perform our function there under any conditions and you are not allowed to perform it, that is, he tells us these pictures and you were allowed to everything that is there. the game he is playing must be looked at realistically from this side, we can only have small elements there , some really what access they have and this must be used because without monitoring at all it is a generally catastrophic situation therefore we must look realistically at all these opportunities and where they start to play along with the occupiers, you have to talk about it out loud. so, i think that i am emphasizing the key problem - it is not the water level, although it is also important for cooling, yes, the key problem is that it is in the hands

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for those who are currently watching us live, please like our video on social networks, support our pages. today we have as a guest valery chaly, a politician-diplomat , ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2014-2019 in 2015 in 2019 valeria, let's move on to the topic of ukraine and nato, because this topic was probably one of the most central topics, if you can say so, this week, or in paris , the presidents of poland, france, the federal chancellor of germany met and talked about security guarantees for ukraine, however, well, judging by the press that was, only andrzej duda spoke about the fact that ukraine needs to be granted the status of a member of the north atlantic alliance as soon as possible, although yesterday during rammstein, the minister of defense

of germany, boris pistorius, said that nato can remove some obstacles on ukraine's path to membership. we are talking about the possibility of our country joining the alliance under a simplified procedure. let's listen to what the german minister of defense said. now we must focus on ukraine being able to win this war and oust the russians. troops from the country, for this we need all possible military support, and right now this is the focus of mr. valery's attention . recently, although in this matter, there is a consensus that ukraine does not need to go the way we applied in 2008 for the action plan for membership

, that is, finland and sweden showed that it is possible to go the other way, well, in fact, they are willing and not to do it. some intermediate ones of these additional preparatory programs, so the conversation is as impressive as in washington . in this regard, president joseph biden was productive there. the decision was made by the prime minister of britain and at the next meetings, in my opinion , at least in this regard, nato already has a consensus on such a simplified e- this is a faster, less bureaucratic way for ukraine in the event of a political decision being invited. that is, we can go through this er-e pfd by the pfd and actually approach membership itself. i understand correctly that in the washington treaty itself

, there are no requirements in nato documents. there are different options, and right now it would be good if they didn’t come up with something else. that is, we can become the 33rd nato member country after sweden, well, now they want to make some plans for several years of ukraine’s preparation, something is free after all to offer, well, it should not be any additional tool. that is, it can be some kind of conditioning. well, that is, certain conditions , especially internal ones, the legislation may need to be changed in ukraine in the security and defense sector in order to be fully responsive, i admit, but to turn it into a new pdc when we already have an annual national program we have all the mechanisms i think it would be wrong and now the key question it is good that according to the simplified procedure although it still sounds like separate countries eh i think this

will be presented as a result that's right there, but you have to understand one key basic thing that first there should be a political invitation and it should be as soon as possible and then all the procedures and these procedures will take quite a long time because finland passed in a year and it's very fast actually that's why i think that a political decision, well, at least we need to work on it so that it is for two seals, that is, at the most, either in vilnius or in washington next year at the jubilee, precisely those 75 years, when the company of the president joseph biden will also be in full swing, and it seems to me that this would be a very significant thing to request ukraine and before that i wish the swedes success so that they really had time to formalize membership before that

. and so that ukraine was invited to washington as much as possible, because you understand the paradox of the situation, they say that after the war believe me, after the war, they will speak in a completely different way, while ukraine is really investing resources and people's lives in the protection of the eastern flank, and of course, from its territory, you can talk about these political decisions here, as soon as this is all over, there will be issues that will deal with the country as well and it is too much, and this must be understood, therefore, we must continue the line so that the first is a political decision on inviting ukraine as a response to our application, everything else can be pressed there within a few years, mr. valery on june 15, the 13th ramstein was held in brussels, and there the minister of defense of the united states of america said that the struggle

of ukraine is not a marathon, and it is a marathon, not a sprint, so the united states of america continues to support ukraine in its defense against russian aggression in the long term in the future, we will hear what austin said. the states are proud to have joined the fifty countries that provide ukraine with vital security assistance, and we must be patient while the ukrainians conduct this important campaign, president bidde has repeatedly said that we will support ukraine on a long way, i have to make sure that we provide exactly the help that will help ukraine to be successful, and i think that now is a really critical moment on the battlefield p valeriy, a fairly simple question, the existence of the rammstein format is 50 countries, does this indicate the fact that the west clearly understands what the end of the russian-ukrainian war should be, we talked about

it. i think that the rammstein format, which includes not only the west, there are also asian countries, there are african countries, that is, it is a coalition. you can call this coalition anti-putin, yes. that is, it is clearly in order to prevent russia from winning and dominating in this part of the world . yes, i think that the choice has been made . there were certain risks, but i think that in addition to the risks, there is a huge understanding that this is the only possible way, because otherwise it will be sold simply after uh and other options , so i will say yes, i think that they have made strategic decisions, but in these strategic decisions, they are going according to their plans, and our

national plans can only be with partners of uz this whether or not to agree on the pace, i will tell you. well, we can already see the provision of weapons. they do not match, and here the question is often not even logistics, but the fact that they implement their vision, their own strategy, that is, when we call on partners to give quickly, believe me, they perfectly understand that they they are making their own strategy to counter russia , the key task for them is to prevent the destruction of their euro-atlantic unity and the threat to nato countries. that is, this is the number one task, in fact, to be honest, the second task is , of course, to help ukraine as much as possible because if the first, if the second, it will not be possible to help ukraine restrain russia, then they will face much more difficult challenges, that is why i am sure that the strategy is chosen

, they are on our side, and now the only question is what are these, what price, who will pay for this victory over the aggressor, by the way, about the price of e- the prime minister of estonia kaya kala said that the democratic countries of the west should not pay for the damages caused by the russian war in ukraine and that russia should do it itself. the members of the estonian cabinet of ministers began to prepare a bill that would allow well, what exactly did the prime minister herself allow, who will now say, let's hear ukraine is a victim of the russian war and should receive compensation from russia, so we are developing a solution that will allow the use of frozen assets seized from russian citizens and companies due to sanctions to compensate for the damage caused by the war estonia is the first country in the european union that has developed a solution for the use of assets frozen

by sanctions, other countries can also use this model if they wish, when we talk about war and losses of course so far it is difficult to calculate the exact figure of losses , but it is definitely not about hundreds of billions, probably about a trillion. this reparation money in favor of ukraine and what russia will take from it, and these losses they have caused us well, of course, i will tell you that it is not russia, there, maybe this top is all criminal, they can simply take their fortunes, uh,

if they take them, then these are not such numbers as to us, they seem huge, yes, that is, a trillion, but in fact there are hundreds of billions only in the ownership of this personal group, that is why the process and mechanism are important here. estonia did a very important thing. indeed, in the european union , unlike the usa and canada , there was no such mechanism, and you remember are you wondering what switzerland has done for the members of the ride, but if the european union will adopt this practice and freeze assets, well, firstly, how to freeze them, and secondly, how to direct them to well , let's say compensation here, different legal the solution is a good way. step forward, now with regard to russia, there it will compensate if russia achieves the so-called peace talks, then

it will not give any center, but only this , in order to succeed at this moment, freeze and give ukraine, that will be all, if russia is defeated further, then it will be for years and decades to be calculated by russia, because the sanctions will not be lifted then, and any plane that flies somewhere can be arrested and taken for compensation, as they handed over to us now, including airplanes. depends on the results of this war because, i emphasize, russia is now very interested in fixing the situation in order to avoid , including the payment of funds that failed to be seized there, frozen somewhere, they very actively withdrew all the funds before the large-scale attack on ukraine, they hid them in various points the world, their personal funds, they were preparing at least this top

, they were preparing for this, so uh, only there they did not prepare more broadly, the business circles that they there warned them, therefore, i think that this issue is very important, because if there is not justice after this war, the threat to peace in europe and the threat to ukraine will remain at a very high level, in addition to the de-occupation of the territory, there must be punishment of specific people as war criminals , prosecution, and the country and the russians must be punished, because they, because they do nothing for in order to stop it, i just wanted to say ruble. well, i doubt that the ruble will mean anything then, that is, probably after all, with the euro or the dollar, so that they , uh, their oil dollars, gas dollars, what did they

direct first of all to to compensate for huge ukrainian losses. by the way, these figures do not yet take into account indirect costs, not losses . and how can we evaluate what they did ? we still cannot imagine the scale of it. there may be personal lawsuits by citizens of ukraine who have lost some lost their own and there are such families of both father and son, that is, i think that this can last a very long time, i will tell you that germany until recently calculated after fascists, so i think that it would be fair if russia compensated for all of this down to the last accent, if you can say that you can pay with money for the tragedy that it brought to our land. well, the obvious bottom line is that

everyone in the world will clearly understand that russia is a country an aggressor, an occupier, and putin a war criminal, because returning to today's economic forum in st. petersburg , i would like to quote the president of algeria, who called putin the second of all mankind, a friend of all the countries of the world. we saw these friends who today came and tomorrow they will meet with putin, what is the way to convince friends from africa that putin is not their friend? well, i calculated three things, firstly, an interview with a lemon , for example, the french of the president of algeria. and how is macron now not a friend, that is, you have putin now best friend, secondly, let's find out what's so bad about the leader of algeria that he resorted to such

curmudgeons, he probably has some serious problems there. well, the third is serious , to see if i'll see if i use his leadership now, putin a friend should look there with arms supplies, because who knows if they announce it publicly today, maybe tomorrow they will begin to transfer it to russia or stand on the side of a small group of nuclear terrorist countries, and russia has joined this club, that is, two, and to be honest , well, i am here in this case i was surprised by the position, but this means that we also have to constantly monitor what is changing in certain countries, because alzhi was not always in such a situation. i think you know the situation better , our special representative for the near east and africa, er, pansung, he was mostly in algeria. well, let's just say, i don't want to use it again, but let's still

weaken the purpose of the dawn. well, so that at least medina can act there and ask such a question. well, we must remember the old ukrainian proverb , say who your second, i'll tell you who you are, well, at least that's how it sounds at the end of our program. i'd like to mention the trial of 22 azov citizens. they are now being tried publicly in rostov-on-don. he faces from 15 years to life imprisonment for participating in the azov regiment. and the azov regiment is recognized as terrorist in russia organizations, eight of the 22 defendants who remained on the dock are women who reportedly worked as cooks in azov, what and how should representatives of the authorities on the ukrainian side do in order to avoid

the final verdict and why ukraine does not hold such show trials against the russian occupiers who kill, rape and destroy ukraine, i will start with the last one, why do we not spend because we still adhere to international law, the rules of war, and if we become like a monkey, that is, do the same as the russians, then we will lose this argument, but well you're right, i really want to say that, let's do it symmetrically. it's just a question, i don't know the answer to it, when the prisoners were taken out of azov, uh, then we said that there would be no trials for them, that this was an agreed decision, that they are being taken out now, if it's destruction agreements that were guaranteed by third parties, and i look at the faces of our men and women, but they

are sitting there in a concentration camp. that is, it is a terrible situation from the outside. we have already worked to ensure that azov is not a terrorist organization. russian this is what i advised or what they have been dispersing for many years. i think it has already been overcome . now we just have to show this flagrant violation of the rules of war and not only the statements inside ukraine . it is necessary to do in this plan because it is necessary to return our people in all possible ways. i think that the approach is to wait for the end of the war, well, this is the wrong approach. i know many people who work for these exchanges in groups and they are happening. thank god there is some kind of all na not everyone succeeds, but here this issue must be raised on all platforms

where human rights are discussed. russia cynically and brazenly initiates such a discussion about human rights , you understand. we use a little less, now we have to beat what they are doing now during the war , additional ones are a war crime according to the geneva convention, they have no right with the competent people, i just behave like that the shocks are not from the russians, because they have been doing it for a long time, but from those mediators who offered a solution there, and something like this , it’s all closed, we don’t know what was added there , but we can see the result. well, you mean the un and the red cross and turkey. i have i mean, do you remember that the withdrawal from mariupol was made according to the agreement

, that is, the essence of these agreements? i don't know, we know that a group of people is in turkey. the best staying until the end of the war in the third territory. and what was said about whether it is possible to do trials of combatants, this is prohibited. i don’t know what russia is doing now, or we didn’t talk about it, that is, er, or well, then we need to raise this issue now with those who guaranteed such an exchange at that time thank you thank you mr. valery it was valery chalyi and a politician diplomat extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 friends we work live on the espresso tv channel as well as on our social networks and youtube for those who are now watch us live, please like this video, subscribe to our social networks, read our news on

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