[000:00:00;00] you are not i do not say to a person 70 years old in the 21st century in a country that claims to be some kind of europeanness , which type is considered a democracy, a type of democracy, and a country with equal rights for all. unlike ukraine, what is he there, it is interesting, what did he eat or drink before this meeting, maybe he smokes, that they don't know, they discussed putin's plans for the counteroffensive of ukraine, which means that putin said that we will wait until the counteroffensive of ukraine ends, and then we have what is a plan well, well he even himself admits that he will wait for the counteroffensive, that is, he does not say we will counterattack now

, we will stop the counteroffensive, they will not succeed . no, he says we will wait, see putin, man , if we are serious about this meeting with the warlords, because the speech in the st. petersburg uniform is by and large, the thing was written and after this speech he uh, i just didn’t answer the questions for long, and that’s just what you and i are commenting about zelenskyi about everything else . it’s just a very short time when he was able he just manages to manifest himself so vividly in a few minutes, you understand, they simply cannot be released to people like this and in military uniform. in principle, he always pretends that he doesn't read anything, doesn't know anything, whether documents are brought to him in the aunt's office, he only sees these documents and does not use the internet

, this is an image, he knows much more than we think and uses the internet for all this that is why this image is for external use, to create the impression of such a weak medieval grandfather, is he tough, cunning, mean, or a kist who creates such an image specifically, but i got the impression that there are some things that he simply does not want to know, do you understand the question is not that a person can learn from us in front of us in front of everyone the same information resources in front of you in front of me in front of putin he has even more than we do but a person imprisoned in a certain house of the development of events has a block for negative information to that information that does not fit into his idea of ​​the world and here is what i saw in putin

and what i did not see before, let's say in the first decade of administration , it is not just a lack of information. he wants to know, he just rejects it, it happens to all dictators and all people with such an authoritarian mindset, and i was convinced of this many times when i spoke with them personally that it is as if you are talking to a person, she has a sharp mind, she can analyze everything, they are analytical together, but suddenly you say something like that what she just doesn't want to hear and know that turns her idea of ​​how it should be no it just can't be anything but putin was already sincerely surprised when we said do you know whether they still pay for shooting down a plane there money he was very surprised, this is not news about this, all these warlords and so on, but they have been talking for months and i don't think he

doesn't know it, he just doesn't want to know it , and he didn't expect that they could say it to him publicly even in such a situation he expects people to tell him what he wants it's nice, it's a classic angelica, you see, it was like that in ancient rome, and there are all these beautiful proverbs that people who bring bad news to you are executed, it's very dangerous to tell him this news well , since now the internet can bring bad news, he can just don't read them, and this can be called poor self-awareness that he exists in some world, that's how he is, and you understand that if you're an official, you shouldn't violate the boundaries of this world in principle. if you want a good career, if you're some kind of military code, yes called

well, you will talk to him, your role is the role of such a clown, come there one day , we will win sooner. well, he will leave and never see you again. well, until the next meeting . but if you work there in the administration of the head of the administration or something as the deputy head of the administration, you know for sure that there are some borders through which information cannot be passed, and thus it is as if he does not see this information and there is no one who can tell him about it. let's talk about the real situation. here we have such and such problems with that attitude, so i think that he was told and he read what he wanted, that there will simply be no offensive, that is, let's wait for now , which means let's wait until we stop talking about this offensive and clearly put forward our

condition i just remembered that putin got out of the situation regarding the fact that money is not paid for destroyed western equipment, then baskov and how he was sung by leps, so they offered a million to anyone who destroys a western tank. well , this is just some kind of store. madness, if you offer a million to everyone, you will be invited to a kremlin concert, they will give you the opportunity to create some kind of joint venture with leps for the production of some kind of junk that will be buried by the state budget, you don't consider these people crazy. they know exactly what they can do it for. i want to remind you that nikolai baskov is still a people's artist of ukraine, as is philip kirkorov , as well as other outstanding figures of russian culture , so we are talking about people who have died a long time ago

and who do not have mothers on the streets or monuments in our cities of people who never called to pay a million dollars for ukrainian yes or no plane there pushkin chichakovsky or someone factory and people who right now are our contemporaries who are actually calling for the murder of ukrainians what is a million to do so who can be classified as war criminals because by and large a criminal case should be opened against baskov and leps after the calls to declare their peas to be found and for baskov to be extradited, the song of europe, he sang in the forest we don't have a woodshed. well, only in the carpathians. maybe it's difficult, in any case, he can do something useful in the colony , create an artistic hobby there, really , what about his voice is not so good, well, at least he can there, i don't know, i even imagine that

he can be in the column, but i won't say it because it will be politically correct, because the abilities of kolya are known to everyone who is closely familiar with him, so i think that the first thing to do is to deprive baskov of the title of people's artist of ukraine. i am sure that the president of ukraine could issue a decree to declare invalid the corresponding decrees of his predecessors, i don’t mind, it’s just that maybe the president hasn’t gotten his hands on it yet, but it’s important, vitaly i, of course , war criminals, these scoundrels, kirkorov , who was going to leave them in tights, they are all time somehow has a very strange attitude towards their army. well, it doesn't matter. it's just such people . i understand that they also perceive military service through holes in their tights, but in any case, these people are not meant to be

people's artists of ukraine, but most of all it's terrible that ethnic ukrainians behave like that natasha koroleva taisiya povaliy ani lorak and so on i think that ethnicity is of little importance here ethnic ukrainians took part in the famine they were communist e-e activists destroyed the independence of their own state they served the vinnist regime they did a lot this is not a question of ethnicity do you understand this question of conscience? the problem is not that these people are ethnic ukrainians. the truth is that they are citizens of ukraine. they remain citizens of ukraine in principle, but they work against their own state. baskov could to be ethnically like that kirkorov plant, ethnic bulgaria, not russians as far as i remember, but in any case, he is a citizen of scattered ukraine, but all these young ladies, as you said , they were born in ukraine, povaliy and who else is a royal citizen of russia. i think she left here a long time ago

but povaliy loboda, why ani lorak, where did they come from ? they are not the same face for me in this sense . they are a citizen of ukraine. well, she is very strange, you understand, so it is 100%. that is, from this point of view, they are people's artists of ukraine natasha koroleva doesn't seem to be a people's artist of ukraine, and tarzan is not a people's artist of ukraine. by the way, tarzan has so many ridiculous appeals. he is already an officer of the russian army. but he recently saw something. by the way, on social networks, is he somewhere in the maldives? this is the result of his married life with natasha koroleva, it is possible that he was set up against ukraine during this life, but the fact is that he could be in the russian army now, because he threatened so much that he would now go kill ukrainians, but now for some reason he is in the maldives floats there in the nooks and crannies, it’s the same kind of office, you know, if there are no pantyhose, then there is no military service, then there is no tree, although at first

he can only have a beautiful uniform . only for tarzan, thank you, ladies , you made me laugh, let's move on to more serious topics, because in russia this week the trial of our azov citizens has just begun, many of them face 20-22 years in prison, some of them life imprisonment and the imprisonment because in russia azov is recognized as a terrorist organization . and for vitaliy, the question is that for us, how do we see more than two thousand azov prisoners being exchanged?

mostly azov citizens, when the exchange of prisoners takes place, it is also our servicemen, but the non-defenders of mariupol and not azov, why for putin, it is azov that is the trigger, and they keep them and began to judge them because azov is a symbol of the resistance of the russian aggression, because azov, with its heroic defense of azovstalia, mariupol, actually allowed the russian army to seize the ukrainian cock, and this has already changed all the chances of the russians in the war in the first months of 2020. the idea of ​​capturing the entire south and even if you leave ukraine as an independent state, putin’s idea has always been to cut it off from the sea and establish control over novorossiya, but

the russian troops had to wait a long time to stay near mariupol, thanking the heroism of the azov people, and that is why they hate him so much. i mean this regiment and those who serve there, not only later, and the fact that they are now conducting a trial by and large means that they believe that ukraine has nothing to offer them, they can already use it for propaganda purposes. so here it is not even a question of a legal process, but a question of why it did not start earlier. maybe because they believed that there were some possibilities for something there to exchange for our citizens who were the defenders of mariupol, now there is no such desire. well, then you can engage in propaganda tasks. they always have several plans, they work like that. there are exchange plans, there is a plan for a process, which is a judicial process, and they will be this i think that this is, by the way, it confirms what i say all the time, if there is a trial against putin , they will arrange a trial in moscow against

zelensky in absentia over biden, why can’t they arrange a trial over biden if the bear calls him a rotten old stump, that today's quote the deputy chairman of the security council of the russian federation is a new moon, yes. well, now you see, while we are talking with you, as far as i understand, he then gave the african leaders the agreement that was signed in istanbul during the negotiations in february 2022. he will come to ukraine as a russian, that is why this victory it was not, they never

made it public this year, you see. this is an agreement on permanent tralitety, a guarantee of the security of ukraine, but we do not know how true this agreement is. show and what is interesting to you that he says that ukraine was ready for anything. we withdrew the troops from kyiv, but the kyiv authorities threw it all in the trash . it is not that our military expelled the russians from kyiv. chernigov, the president at the meeting with putin, that respect for the un charter is a condition for dialogue between russia and ukraine. what did putin say that according to the charter, russia had the right to recognize the new regions as independent states of azov and then protect them? well, you and all the peace initiative, we are just now

talking about it all, and putin continues to tell his fairy tales, you understand, but i am showing them what it means the text of this agreement, 18 articles, and the appendix, everything is written down to the combat equipment units of the personal composition of the armed forces, it is initialed by the ukrainian delegation, but as you can see, it is empty, he has not done such a thing . and why was it not shown, now you see, you say that he started the process on azov, and that's why that they have moved on to a new new stage of propaganda. and now it seems that he is beginning to understand why the visit of the african delegation was necessary , what they agreed with siri lamafutsiyu, because i admit that there are other leaders

of intermediary states, they should not have agreed to such the scenario of the development of events, luula, you understand. by the way, the presidents of uganda and egypt did not want to go to st. petersburg. i think that is why they did not want to because they could find out about the scenario , how did aramfos agree, and that was a good question. why did the president of egypt decide not to take part in this at the last moment participation because the president of egypt, of course, is the leader of an african country, but in the middle east he needs to build relations with the united states and he cannot afford to take part in propaganda adventures with the luxury of yes that everything is clear because it is such an amazing story and you see such a dove of peace putin well, we give them security guarantees, we will tell them why didn’t they make this agreement public then, that’s also a good question why is this whole

story starting to become clear only now why they only now did they start to put pressure on it, well, it's a good question , you understand, so it's possible, then they still thought they could take over ukraine, but now they see that they're not getting anything, and they're starting to press to show the world how good they are you want an agreement. if you want to negotiate, then there is already an agreement, which is not what everything is already written , neutrality, but ukraine, the ukrainian troops do not want this , but they themselves wanted to learn what has changed. he

no he what is he saying he is speaking the side of the russian federation does not exist and this is a huge problem for putin when he shows all these documents , of course, in fact, only ukraine, russia and turkey were present there, and putin can now say anything that it is ukraine that did not want to sign, in fact it is the position of ukraine is the number of armed forces, and the position of russia is not here, we do not know what the russian side wanted, we now see a lot of interesting papers, i think that after this meeting with putin , we still have to give him credit, putin can to create a sensation in an empty place should have just exchanged some general statements and everyone is now saying that the problem is that why putin showed this

document is that earlier putin showed it to lukashenko and he said that russia was ready to lease crimea of ukraine for 15 years and whether it is true or not, even russian journalists write about it, we do not know about it because we saw this agreement only in the lens of the cameras and only the first page, therefore, in principle, we can know about this agreement, again, we can only speak from words putin and if there really was such a condition, the lease of crimea for another 15 years, why not, but here another question arises. why did russia agree to lease crimea for 15 years, if it is subject matter, if it changes, the subject of the russian federation, no lease, there was even this in sevastopol for 50 sevastopol, but if they can agree to rent entities of the russian federation and this is according to their legislation

, and the belograd region can also be rented, maybe we can do something, well, that is, there is something here, it's unclear, it's just happening, this news on these just then when we talk, that's why i don't think that in the next few hours we will find out, or we won't find out any details about what happened, what will be said about ramaphosa directly, what will he say now , you see, it's complicated, they didn't say they said that they want to continue in their place. i think that when they clearly say what is needed, i think that this was done in response to president sangal's statement that it is necessary to respect the un charter. out of a hat. they themselves were ready for this. here we are. it will be such a moment that they knew that they would be told about international law again, and

it's just that the un has putin's weak point here , you understand. if he hadn't annexed ukrainian territories, they were just independent states, he is now he could do whatever he wants to say . listen to what he said. let the ukrainians negotiate with the leaders of crimea, donbass and southern ukraine . the price is that these peoples want to live an independent life, and russia wants only good things in ukraine. the people, well, our army stands there. it protects them from the nazis. and what did your army not stand for? well, they tell him that not all of this is clear , but why did you join them with you, you can explain. and here he begins to lead all kinds of delusions that they proclaimed themselves independent, and we decided to protect them after that, this does not correspond to logic, not lies, but the logic of dialogue. and here he wants to get out of this situation, as schuler, you know, they grabbed his hand, he

asks where this thing is, this one, this ball, is it here or here i am i'll show you. here she is. you see. no, it's not it's a ball, it just looks like a ball, but in fact it's not a ball, you understand it's not a ball because we met - it's a square and it's a square that only looks like a ball but i have an agreement with the ukrainians where they admitted that this ball can be a square that's exactly what's happening with this uh-uh clown of the kremlin, and by the way, he has uh-uh , the number of associates of vitaliy is decreasing , in particular, silvia berlusconi, an italian politician and a big businessman, such a friend of putin, died

. by the way, i don't really understand a why was he there? after all, he was a euro-atlanticist, after all, he was friends with such a dictator. i think money, money is of great importance to people like putin and the key chain, and in law he perfectly understood that he could earn a lot in relations with russia , and he liked to be such a friend of the leader of one of the most influential countries of the world and i myself will always gravitate towards autocrats , so that putin is not his only friend , he was friends with mamor kadet skaz, so everything is clear here, euro-atlanticism acceleration has never hindered him why does he have a real attitude, he is a man of right-wing views, but putin is also not a person of left-wing views, so i don’t see any special differences here, on the other hand, we know that there are many politicians with right-wing views who

sympathize with putin, so broncho is more than one such a donald trump, it is difficult to call him a person of left-wing views, amarilla pen and it is difficult to call him a person of left-wing views, and salvini , well, that is, it is an absolutely normal mainstream for western politicians of this type, it is a great pity and i think that the president of russia is unlikely did he consult with belarus about something, i think that if they consulted about something, it was completely different models of concessions for some italian concerts for some companies, some opportunities , you understand that brudoskoni until his last day was a lobbyist for the interests of the italian business and that's enough

an important thing, which is connected with all his activities in the position of prime minister of italy and when he became a senator, he was a person who lobbied for the interests of italian businessmen and his own, because it must be remembered remember what he was a billionaire, the owner of the largest media holding in the history of italy, the owner of a football club and, at the same time, a person who was involved in political activities, so in this sense, i just think that when you understand when a billionaire starts to engage in politics and at the same time does not forget his business interests, this always leads to some distortions of this nature, he can

now replace and become such a leader of his party going forward italy. especially since they are part of the parliament, although not a very large one. but nevertheless, it is interesting how the political orientations of this party, because there are also such europeans and, in principle, people with pro-russian views. the fact is that i do not think that this party necessarily or should exist, as it were, after his death. it was his own party. and when you have the right to be an ordinary party, then the essence of such a party is that when it disappears, the party itself disappears. there will be no putin, there will be no russia . so here it is very similar, well, the party can exist . it can be led by some associates. it can have

its own 5-6% on some the next election then we will disappear here and the leaders will join other political formations, this party did not have any real ideology, except for the most important ideology, it will not go anywhere, but it can live in other political parties that will profess some kind of populist idea of ​​a right-wing nature, because if, no matter how strange it sounds, eberdoskonism of a left-wing nature, this is the five-star movement, the clown bpgrill, who created it with kanism, is also only left-wing, and this is right -wing, well, these are different types of populism, and in this sense, i think that berluscone himself will live in italian politics for quite some time for a long time, as if the image of a political party may simply not exist because i am its voters. when they come to the elections and

read that there is a party for the future of italy, but it is headed by some not-so- expressive figure, who will not be found because of that that the impurity of the people around them will not tolerate expressive figures, they will vote for some other party, let's say the brothers italy or the league, and that will certainly end the story of moroz, but the story of the village itself will not end. you can of course put an end to our conversation today but thank you, jericho, and i advise you to follow our news, dear friends , because one way or another, it is absolutely obvious that they are developing. it is just before our eyes . ready to present to you the most important news of this week irina please we are all

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