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any initial estimates of how much it will hurt ukraine what the russians did with the kakhov hpp there is no doubt that this is the biggest ecological disaster after the chernobyl disaster, at least it is clear, but on reliable to fill in estimates to understand what will happen in ukraine, as it seems in ukraine, it will probably take years, that is, now we are talking about what we see, about the obvious consequences that are in the photos and video materials that can be seen with our own eyes, but the worst can turn out to be over time, when we will have full access to the e-e temporarily occupied territories to the left bank of the dnieper , we will be able to carry out research in full . research that is now helping to plan

and conduct our foreign partners because ukraine does not even have its own capacity to determine the risks and consequences that we have now, well, besides the fact that there is no access to the usual part of the territory , that is, now we can say that this is a catastrophe of such a scale, let's say for the entire region of the northern black sea region of the black sea basin and the changes that are happening that will happen and continue and will continue to happen , they are of a global global nature and there are a lot of directions in which ukraine will need to work in order to to er and establish the consequences and control such negative changes that are taking place, starting with the state of water resources

, this is probably the most pressing issue. and this will not only apply to the state of the dipper or the drained kakhovsky reservoir, it will also apply to the black sea and underground waters and e- it is primarily soil that was affected by this disaster. it will concern coastal areas that were either drained or flooded and their properties changed due to the possibility of erosion. the importance of the development of sums of other dangerous processes is we already see how bi-diversity is concerned, because such a sharp draining of the kakhovsky reservoir will lead to the loss of diversity in the reservoir itself, as well as the impact on the unique territory of the lower dnipro, the lower dnipro national park, on the two diversity of the black sea, this will apply even to the atmospheric air because if we are talking about the kakhovsky

reservoir and its drainage, we are also talking about the possible wind erosion of those sediments that are the bottom approaches that have now dried up and came to the surface. also, we have to understand that this is actually a loss of irrigation in most of the south of ukraine, in the kherson region of zaporozhye. after the deoccupation, it is a big challenge for ukraine to switch to new irrigation systems, to adapt to new realities when there are no large volumes of water to irrigate these territories well, this also needs to be kept in mind in order to prevent dangerous processes in irrigation territories eh. we saw this week footage of the black sea

in odessa. it turned not black but green eh with there were reports to crimea that the russians deny everything there, but their military man decided to take a bath. after that, he was hospitalized in the infectious disease department with intoxication, which is obvious that this water from the kherson region has already reached there, and how did it bring this water into the sea and how long did it last? will be cleaned, and they are already saying that everything that spilled out along with the large water from the kakhovka reservoir from the kakhovka reservoir reached bulgaria , and of course, romania and bulgaria as well. they are in the risk zone because this is the nature of the current in the black sea. we know that from the dnieper estuary water is carried towards odessa and further along the odesa warning of southern odessa, i

mean, they are moving in the direction of romania , bulgaria, what if this is true e -e is connected with the events in kakhovska, the detonation of kaho against what is observed in crimea, this is only evidence of the scale, the incredible scale has been confirmed as probable, this disaster has become somewhat romania and e-e, bulgaria will be under attack this is 100% , we don't know what can develop, because everyone has probably seen the map of what was flooded, what dangerous objects are there , in particular gas stations, various industrial facilities, agricultural facilities water, there were cattle cemeteries, even several cemeteries. well, and others, or what can

lead to the development of, well, in fact, any events, processes in the water and in the dnieper estuary and in the black sea, and these processes, especially in the summer, can develop quite intensively, experts in these fields say picture may change for literally three hours there, and for this ukraine needs control over the state of the water, we currently do not have this control , we understand that even the specialists of the state service of the ecological inspection do not have free access to the sea because the military actions continue and well it's dangerous. i'm not talking about the independent ecologists there, or the public organizations there, the employees of the national parks, they also don't have d- to- access to this , well, besides, a new laboratory base is needed in ukraine in order to evaluate all this. i hope

that our environment will finally pay attention to the low capacity of the laboratory, the capacity of ukraine, which was especially vividly emphasized by this bloody war and bloody in relation to the environment, and we can also talk about some objective things about an objective assessment and, er, about what we can to inform the population in time, well, now, the general recommendation is to exclude any contact with sea water, well, except for the collection of garbage there, and this should be treated very carefully, because we understand the risk you are unsuspecting along with the garbage of those mines as they were mined bibles of the kherson region in the area of ​​kakhovska gas, in particular we understand that estimates and forecasts are a very difficult thing , nevertheless, if we proceed from such a

pessimistic forecast, what could be the worst result of what happened in in a somewhat distant perspective, the biggest result from the point of view of e-e impact on the environment, ecological effects on it is actually the loss of ecosystems in the lower dnieper and in e-e, well , at least the northwestern black sea basin. that is, it may not be the worst, but this is an almost real threat, the real consequences, we have to understand that flooded territories also affect the fauna, a large part of especially small mammals that were not able to leave this territory, we saw cows swimming in the dnieper, and all the small mammals were flooded, they died there, that is, besides

that they died, the loss of the population , the consequences for aquatic ecosystems as a result of the death of these animals, their decay in the aquatic environment, that is, this territory is highly likely to undergo a long of long-term negative consequences, what can we talk about the fact of akacid, that is, in fact, it is, in addition to the incredible consequences for the region, in terms of infrastructure, in terms of people's property, hmm, we see flooded houses, and this is a fact well, this crime can be qualified as ecocide and i hope that all of us together ukraine will have to deal with the crimes and we will demand compensation from

the aggressor country for the damage caused and the recovery again. but a full assessment will take years to recover. well probably a decade in order to restore roads, for example, houses, it may take several years to restore the ecosystem, in order to give them a chance for restoration and to help with the restoration of occulations, it will take decades, what will happen to the kakhov sea, well, with kakhov reservoir , of course, we need to think about the strategy of its future. it is extremely difficult because, on the one hand, we understand that the most fertile ukrainian soils in kakhovtsi under the kakhov reservoir will be flooded.

the dnieper culture was flooded, the settlements were flooded, even the system of small rivers around the dnieper was flooded , and now the drainage of the kakhovsky reservoir is draining. to switch to new technologies in order to provide the population with water without providing the south of ukraine with irrigation with alternative solutions and to provide alternative electricity, these are the three advantages that from now on gave the kakhov reservoir, but the damage from it over those 70 years, well, it was also enough, in one word, this is an extremely difficult situation and a challenge for ukraine, or will we return to the old decisions, what are we, after all, and position ourselves as an environmentally friendly country, as an

innovative country and a country that wants to develop and look for new solutions, then we should talk about what we need, we need such investments, we need new solutions in order to abandon large reservoirs, well, it is real, but it will be extremely difficult this is a tumbark that the ukrainians, as soon as all this happened from the kakhovka hpp, uh, the ukrainians at first cursed. why are you silent, uh, where is your voice, where is the voice of some environmental community? well, in the end, greta thunberg came out with a protest, joined the protests and did not she spoke very, very, very favorably about the work of the un. well, in principle, she commented on this whole situation. if we use a person

, we should also thank her. when there is a real reaction from this girl, we can listen to what she said next, please. to react, i'm not your ukrainian - calm down somewhere in the world world love in well, at first, the journalist asked her how she evaluates the reaction of the un, she said not

very, er, not very highly, and she said that this is the responsibility of russia, or is it enough the world's reactions to what happened . i mean everything, not some political leaders , namely environmental organizations, she herself receives a newsletter from some environmental organization. the organization and nothing for these two weeks, there was nothing from them about kherson oblast, about the kakhov hpp, some recent news was that bees are dying en masse in europe . yes, thank you for such a remark. well, in fact, the un is represented by unep, the united nations environmental program

they expressed their readiness to support ukraine in assessing the consequences, possible, well, impossible. but there is really not enough of such a public reaction of the world to the events that took place , and, well, the world is probably inclined to downplay the danger of the events that are taking place in ukraine in general, and in the case of of the kakhovka hpp, in particular, in order to reduce the quagmire of concern that is expressed by the world from time to time regarding the events in ukraine , but on the other hand, i hope that there will be a practical contribution of international organizations and environmental organizations, in particular, in order to actually assess the damage, not in words, not by forecasts, or by some kind of such general assessments and actually collect evidence

regarding the consequences for the environment, submit it to international courts and thus not only prove the guilt of russia and the consequences of russia and show the whole world that this is russia well, she brought such trouble to ukraine on such a scale that it caused such concrete losses and to demand from russia the payment of this bill for the support of the kakhov hpp, including the consequences for the environment. authorities together with international partners. i hope that in this part there will be support from the international community. thank you ruslan for participating in our event. ruslan gavrylyuk, the head of the national environmental center of ukraine, was from

we are in touch, and now we are adding to our conversation viktor dudukalov, the deputy head of the berdyansk district council, we will learn about the news from the occupied berdyansk and what is happening around there, mr. viktor, i am glad to welcome you today's news that the occupiers from the berdyansk district are again taking children to russia almost three hundred and they will take them to russian chuvash, i don't know if you saw how vladimir putin explained to african leaders why russia, according to his logic, it is russia that saves these children, in fact it kidnaps them

if you haven't seen it now, let's watch together with you and together with our viewers putin's explanation and whether they believed him these african letters никто не собирался никого никих детей representatives we have never been against the children reuniting with their seeds and if of course their sprouts declare no obstacles to this there have never been any and of course i will never want you a man from the conflict zone will assure the children. and who created that conflict zone? well, now, and we are here now, such messiahs. no, well , clowns are rare. in general, we already have thousands of ideas that seem to be children who

are taken out of the occupied territory, but in ukraine, and it is confirmed that they say about hundreds of thousands of children, we don’t even know. that is, we don’t know the whole truth. this is what, at least on the surface and behind , and we constantly see that they have announcements. counteroffensive, too. we are here. we invite you all to evacuate the children separately from their families. they are, well, you know, they are hostages. children are probably the most valuable for them. these are the hostages they take and then manipulate them and, well, they try to trade some of their own interests with their own interests. in a way, these are just terrorists and that's all. well, these children who are being taken to chuvash, 300 children, who are these orphans, these are children whom they are taking again under the pretext of allegedly improving their health, some camps there. that

's all. that's all. this is one under the sauce of camps. in that, as far as i know, all the children where they were concentrated were socially unprotected. and they were all set on fire, that is, we have , for example, a boarding school in berdyansk, and they were either taken to a controlled place, or they were taken abroad from their time. that is, we cannot say about the fact that now we have a hundred, two or three hundred children who are there without guardianship, without care and without control, and this is happening accordingly . maybe there are good ones picturesque regions, but we have enough resort areas, there are enough camps on the coast of the sea of ​​azov and on the coast of the black sea, which are under the control of the russians. that is, it is obviously not done just like that, to drag those children all the way to chuvash and whether they will return or not is a big question, well, the word camp has a meaning

two meanings eh, russia also treats its other camps, what is happening in berdyansk in the meantime, such news that there is some cotton again, eh, porto llc was blown up again, eh, in a car, one of the russian tourers, who tell me in more detail who arranges all these women in the occupation, uh, the people who live in them, and for a certain time there was such a category that it was as if they forgot about us , ukraine is not close to ukraine, it is far away and nothing is happening. but as of now, this is absolute rhetoric i resigned because something incomprehensible happens every almost every day, for example, automatic queues and shots are not clear. for what reason , a burnt or blown-up car that just burns there is burning, so god forbid a-a or just

that well, for example, yesterday in the port something happened uh burned very actively on the locals joke that they can't cope with losses there, it's a crematorium, they installed a mobile phone and so on. but every day something happens in them, the aviation is active, they constantly fly around the territory of the permanent helicopters and constantly every every day something is incomprehensible to local residents and incomprehensible to of the russians themselves, that is, despite the total control over this territory, they have more and more problems there, and in berdyansk, in the rear, it is nice to understand what exactly is happening in their rear, and i will say that this movement, as we call it, is a resistance movement, or people who commit such actions , well, these are heroes, well, about whom we may not know their names, and they do not receive awards, but these are heroes who they are risking everything they have, including their lives and health

, in order to return ukraine to the occupied territory, this will greatly support the locals now in berdyansk, how much technology british intelligence says that russia has delivered 20 additional russian helicopters to berdyansk what else do you know, i had more than 20 helicopters, they were seen on the territory of the airport, almost 30 of three types, respectively, and transport ones. yes, i understand also those that are assault , that is, that are used in offensive or defensive operations . the villages in the area of ​​the villages, the villages themselves suffer almost the most , because many people have left and they are very actively used for the placement of personnel, because well, it is a little easier to hide it from

human eyes there, that is, in the village by 50 to for example, 30 people have moved out of 50 yards and 30 people are empty, they are settling in the hillocks, and they will set up their equipment for us , and it’s like, well, they have a lot of people, no one sees them in that village, and besides, there are several locals there, and they know what they are doing this equipment and ammunition will not arrive in the villages and in the district, an incredible amount, besides, there are a lot of forces in the direction of volnovakha or in the direction of mariupol. that is, these are defensive lines for them , and we are talking about the fact that on the one hand, in berdyansky etylom and berdyansk city in who, well, it is more or less comfortable for them to deploy personnel, because there is a lot of such infrastructure, and on the other hand , berdyansk is exactly one of the last on the entire line of conventional front lines, and how can he move through that last defensive fortification, because there is

a crossroads there next to the city there is a transport interchange, there is an airport, there is a port, and that is the entire occupied territory - these are defense fortifications and that's all. well , a huge military base, a military training ground - this is the occupied territory. well, the cities directly perform uh, that's yours the function has its own role eh that they are used by the military exclusively for military purposes to place personnel to place equipment any factory is there or being repaired or something else eh and there is quite a lot of it now but i understand that they have withdrawn in order to restrain the ukrainian army and maybe , well, you know, we are all waiting for them to end , maybe now is the moment that well, they will end, so thank you very much, mr. viktor viktoru dudukal, deputy head of the berdyansk of the district council was with us. thank you for this conversation . we are now going to take a very short break