[000:00:00;00] definitely not a road map, but not a road map, and again, this conference was very interesting, i listened to it all today, that is, the five leaders and the reaction of our president . hot, that is, on enough of such emotional spins and very critical reactions on the part of our president, i will directly say that even in some places it was, well, maybe not very diplomatically, not very in line with the standards of diplomacy well, but it is obvious that he was affected by the eyes. here are some general pharmacy pharmacy wording, because one of them spoke about the ramoposa crisis, the truth is that the term war was used several times. so, i think that president zelenskyy

correctly said that there is a completely pragmatic interest on his part. he added the cynical interest of africans, which consists in giving us grain and giving us fertilizers well, that's clear. we're also interested in what ukrainian grain was supplied so that we could export it, it's normal. the agreement about it is valid, it's signed, it 's breaking up with russia. well, let's ensure that it's fulfilled. these are my impressions about it. i'm not talking about what happened on the eve of this press conference when reuters was quoted as having taken the documents of this road map somewhere and nothing was clear there, that is, in english it was written pull out of russian troops apul out can be translated as

it is a withdrawal that is good, but the series can be translated as withdrawal, i.e. freezing the conflict, then there were these ideas of reducing sanctions against russia or the issue of canceling the arrest warrant for putin’s arrest, so for now it is like this. i would say more behind the scenes on diplomacy that can to be used for propaganda purposes, well, africans present themselves as peacekeepers, and this is especially important for president ramoposa. south africa was once very active in peacekeeping issues, particularly in africa. and south african diplomacy had great capital and achievements, but they squandered it , in fact, south africans themselves are talking about ot well, besides, these scandals that are now in the park regarding the possible supply of weapons to russia, er, this criticism. there is a free press

that works like that. to get out of this situation, he needs to get out of this situation in front of tam bricks himself, because so far, once again, ramoposa says that i invited putin, but we will still discuss it and so on. well, i think that my forecast is the same as yours, vitaly. if, uh, if putin comes there, no one will arrest him, no one will dare to do it right, oleksiyovych, what is it possible that they invented this whole peace plan with amophos in order to suspend putin's warrant, this is part of this plan to suspend, that 's the problem that we don't we know what it really is as part of this plan, uh, you had this one, how is it subjunctive, uh, subtitles, let's go. what 10

points of this plan are what the ambassador said. well , there's no such thing, there's no such thing, so we don't really know what's there. what's being discussed there and uh- that is, i'm saying that there are various different aspects of the court, they are just propaganda, there is a quite obvious pragmatic goal, the pragmatic goal is food and fertilizers , and the propaganda camouflage goes on. yes, maybe later i'll say that we tried, we tried and talked to both sides, but nothing came of it . well, we have to do so that and so that completely it may be absolutely obvious that putin will also use this for his foreign political propaganda on africa, the russians are working with very powerfully and immediately i would like to say that in a month there will be a russia -africa summit and it will be in st. petersburg and

last year this summit was it was postponed it was postponed it is because of the war in ukraine that it will now take place, well, it is obvious that they will talk about african leaders, they will also talk about territorial integrity , respect for the un charter, and so on and so on but then all the same he will use it as a big propagandist er propagandist picture so he will say that this is how i am recognized in the world how i am recognized here is the global south with me the global south where more than half of humanity lives there that is china and india they are with me all this will be used in his propaganda, but not all is lost , that is, we have to work. and we have opportunities, there are points of politics, by the way, not all is lost. if possible, i will retweet, because i am carefully watching your programs

. our ukrainian activist spoke just yesterday researcher from france and she said there that the ukrainians of france do not speak french. so i specifically checked this, and that is, i asked the french who deal with this topic. it turned out that he is not fluent, but he speaks enough to communicate without translators. by the way, i remember this you know, i asked her because i knew it too. well, yes, that's why. well, you see, the hohol won't believe it until he checks it, that is, i checked it. i wrote it there. you don't trust me , mr. oleksiy, but that's the way it is. i trust you. i trust you. i fully trust, but i said don't believe until you don't believe so and that is to the point that our rich problem is diplomacy and in africa we also had problems , the presence of the embassy was not enough, we see that we

are activating our position, although you know some things for example, you know how they say, with the good , the village will come. but after that, there were at least three muslim countries in this delegation. that is, it is senegal, it is egypt, one of the leading arab countries, and it is the comoros islands. again, i can help you here. to quote, the country is small, but it is the one that leads the soviet union now, and the topic of the muslims of the crimean tatars, well, at least at the conference, at the press conference, it did not come up. in my opinion, this is a winning topic , especially when we are talking with muslim countries, in fact, it seems to us that this problem is known, but in reality it is not, sometimes even in the leading muslim countries, little is known about it. so let's not forget that there are many muslim countries in africa, and we should also

raise this topic and it will find a video well and the main thing is to change the narrative. change the narrative . by the way, there is a woman standing here - this is pandor. invasion, they issued an absolutely correct statement that the aggression of russia should withdraw its troops from ukraine, and this statement is still posted on the website of the ministry of foreign affairs, but the minister herself plays such neutrality.

because it corresponds to the line of the african national congress, that is, the ruling party, although it is not neutrality at all, we see that if it is neutrality , then for some reason it is very favorable for russia, and here i think it is very important for us to explain , because their argument is that we are neutral because we in russia are non-aligned oh , you didn't teach history well and you and i, vitaliy, taught history well and we remember that 1955 was the year of the creation of the non-alignment movement, that this just meant that these countries they always occupied a very active position regarding the condemnation of the war against the aggressor against colonialism and that is why here we have our own arguments, again we can explain to them our anti-colonial narrative and when the president mentioned the park yesterday he always mentioned nelson nelson mandela by the way, it is good that zelensky said that we know the history of nelson mandela, but we

had our own fighter, our struggle was also long, long, and we also had our nelson mandelas, relatively speaking and scientifically, lukyanenko served 27 years , equal to as many as nelson served mandela and levko lukyanenko then extended his hand to the communists who wanted the independence of ukraine and i said i am extending my hand to them so that we have a lot in our history and a lot of things and there are arguments that we can convey to africans except sult pragmatic except grain but they are also very important. because , again, the akacid eh kakhovsky hpp is a threat of famine, the situation at the zaporizhzhia npp is also a threat of increasing hunger in these regions , so all this must be raised and

talked with them. although it is not just an analogue, it is still was it a coincidence or was such an action planned when the spokesman of the president in particular said that there was no rocket attack and there were no explosions he did not hear anything like that and then ramaphosa denied it and said that there really was a rocket attack and with a quote he said yes today during our visit we heard missile strikes this kind of activity does not work very well to establish peace that is why we talk about the need for de-escalation on both sides for the world to find a way to come and settle the situation he supposedly so honestly as i said, and again, i specially watched this press conference . because i was wondering what the president himself would say and whether they would use the word war , which means that president park used it. here and there they talked about the crisis, but i am clarifying, mr. oleksiy it is possible to ask why he is talking about the fact that there must be a de-escalation on both sides when he is sitting in cover and

russian missiles are flying at him, interrogative questions are rhetorical , what i want to say is that this is often not the first embarrassment at the level of the president, because about half a month ago, he was the president amaphosa said that er, ank, that is, the ruling party made a decision that the par will come out of the international criminal court and this well, it was an absolutely sensational statement and the next day, no, i will tell you now when it was. it was at the end of april, because i was still in the par and i have one meeting broke up because of this because there was a terrible scandal, everyone was running around grabbing their heads and didn't know how to react, and then the next day they said, well, they were wrong. well, not exactly, there was no such decision, that's why such embarrassments get into the diplomacy of south africa. well, in general we can say that in an african diplomat and not only. don't you remember how

president lulla said that crimea can be given to russia and then denied it. this is despite the fact that brazil constantly votes in the un for the territorial integrity of ukraine. well, lola, something, something, it decided. different things happen in diplomacy, you know that the meeting did not take place. zelensky was in hiroshima, and here brazil is making claims that there was an agreement. zelensky did not appear. well , most likely there were no technical connections , but then zelensky did not say very well. luga took offense at this at the press conference, but now yermak didn't call celsiy marim, that's the assistant to the president of brazil, which means the need to strengthen ties, so to speak. well, i got a call from brazil that , as it were, the question of

zelensky's possible visit to brazil, but i honestly do not really believe in this information, well, this is what brazilian journalists say, that is, in diplomacy , various things happen, and if but if we are talking about the position of the couples, look here , there are two points, the first point is that corruption, i am not saying this directly about ramoposa, yes, but i am saying this about his predecessor, who was jailed for corruption, but then he was released as a judicial gypsy, she is still continuing , the contracts signed by growth atom regarding the construction of a steam nuclear reactor, that is, there is koru and she is at the highest at the highest level here is one channel of influence, the second channel is speculation on africa's mistrust of the countries of the west , there the argument is very simple, the west is

colonialism, but russia has no colonies in africa and this is very deep in them, and again on this topic, you can discuss a lot , er, that russia was also an empire, the soviet empire, and so on. and so on, that the politics of both russia and china are by no means selfless. at the same time, it is very much in the minds of africans that we need to maintain balances, that the west, the bad west, is responsible for colonialism in africa, and that is why now the bad west wants to destroy russia, and ukraine is only here, and here it is very important for us to translate this told another that we have a lot a lot in common with africans in the sense that we fought for the kylinial against the colonial

empire which is now trying to come back and when africans hear it when you are there you show them on the maps you show them you give examples quotes when you tell them that we were called little russians that our language was banned that putin now says that ukraine does not exist, this makes a very strong impression on them, that is, we have to work, but the problem is working, ukrainian diplomacy is now increasing efforts, but the problem of resources is money, it is clear that our resources are much smaller than russian resources and what helps us, the word of truth helps us. and to tell this word of truth, sometimes it is not necessary to be a diplomat and adhere to diplomacy, as zelensky demonstrated yesterday at the press conference once again, as an international professional, it was very interesting for me to watch because clearly not diplomatic, but

what to cut, so he cut the truth. thank you, mr. oleksiiovych, professor of political science at the kyiv-mohyla academy, scientific director of the democratic initiative fund named after the doctor, you wanted to be on our air, and now i understand the voice of the director of the center of middle eastern studies and it is not for nothing that we congratulate mr. igor p igor congratulations congratulations because the secretary of state of the united states is finally going to beijing for a famous visit that was interrupted because the americans saw on their coast and then in strategic areas of china a balloon that could perform reconnaissance functions was there a serious cooling in bilateral relations, or is it possible to be warmer? well, let's go. before i start , i want to congratulate mr. oleksiy garan, how was your birthday, because it's a good one a reason to start this conversation and um, well, warming is obviously not, i think it is good that they will start talking, that is, at least

they will set some certain priorities in their relations considering the fact that the united states of america and china, uh, both countries are dependent on each other, at least quite seriously and hmm, i personally do not expect any serious breakthroughs from this visit. but the very fact after such goals of the de march series when the chinese refused to talk to the americans is in principle inspiring. the topic of american-chinese victories is obvious. it can be. well, it is clear that it will be possible, it will not be the first topic or the second topic, but during the discussion, how do you understand the two big countries, they talk not only about their bilateral relations, they also talk about the situation in the world and it is clear that russian aggression against ukraine will be on

the agenda, it will be discussed in different contexts in the context of various rumors about the supply of weapons about the supply of spare parts to the iranians for their drones well, that's why similar. that is, i think that quite a lot of different issues have accumulated there. but in any case, it is clear that this will not be the first topic, and the americans, after all, when they plan some measures, they focus on such key moments of the settlement of relations for them. americans. it is still important to prevent the escalation of the situation in those oceanic regions, and that is, they are definitely not ready for military action, or any serious unrest or attempts by china to solve it by force without issues with concealment, and there

will be mainly a conversation around this, so that the american position in this case will be firm but exemplary as far as i'm concerned igor blinken's visit to us and to the deceased, in particular , they said that blinken, i'm quoting like this, stated that it is important to maintain open lines of communication for the responsible management of relations between the united states and the people's republic of china in order to avoid miscalculations and conflicts beijing once said in a confrontational tone that the relations between the two countries experienced new difficulties and challenges at the beginning of the year and it is clear who is responsible for this, but it is interesting. yes , accusations are immediately made. why did they start with, let's say, such fight right away, why isn't there any warming on the eve of the visit? well, as i said, in principle, the situation has developed in this way. it has already escalated

since last year's visit . how did china react to this, then there were already a whole series of escalating measures on the part of china, well, in the end, these balloons that went astray and many other things, and china puts the responsibility on the americans , that is, they once again emphasize that it is china, the americans are to blame for the escalation and accordingly, the americans should be the first to propose some steps in order to somehow manage this situation, and well, these are at least the starting positions for the start of negotiations, as if to have a rival in the conflict. is this just such a position? i don’t think that this is a

position from above. the party that has a claim , well, it's not - it's not a strong position, i'll tell you honestly . well, but before the start of negotiations, each party can put forward its initial positions and they may differ, yes the very fact that the chinese agree and still decided to return to the diplomatic track at a high level indicates that it is possible that the ice will begin to break. between the united states and turkey , to what extent do you see the ability to understand, now they are waiting for a congressional delegation, let's say the united states in ankara, yes, about turkey against turkey, i wanted to go to

the topic of turkey, well, you understand, i think that now it is so little turkey is taking a pause for obvious reasons because in fact the new government of ertuğan has come, they need to somehow destabilize the domestic political economic situation, that is, it will somehow stabilize the lira. well, there is also a larger number of ministries, that is, the profile of the ministry of foreign affairs, there is a new head, and accordingly they are really more are currently busy preparing staff and working out some new, uh, new options for development, so now we see a certain pause, maybe just this pause can used to be americans precisely in order to fix a-ah here is this

turkish-american very difficult track a-ah to try to move it from a dead point but it must be remembered that the key problem of this track is airplanes and the congress categorically refuses to give these airplanes because these planes can be used in syria and where and now that is a-a in the course of a military operation that is not authorized by nato or anyone else and is essentially part of such a-a complex war of turkey against which therefore this question is about what think and please speak considering and ertuğan's position on sweden, erdoğan's position on other issues in nato, we see now that turkey has once again

blocked a decision there, which is related to working together, is suitable for russian aggression, and joint planning is also used here absolutely such as it seems to me worthless m-m a-a methods methods well , for example, there they cling to us cities or well. thus, the northern cape is meant . thus, it is obvious that turkey thinks that it thus protects its national interests, but these are hints that turkey will constantly make and there will be a lot. it is necessary to prepare for very difficult relations between turkey and the united states of america . the only thing that can change the situation is, of course , the further weakening of russia when for turkey. i doubt that this option

will work. a weakened russia may look even more attractive for turkey. so it can be a double-edged sword. by the way , an interesting precedent occurred in relations between turkey and sweden, because on june 12, sweden approved the extradition to turkey of a man who supported the kurds . he was convicted of drug trafficking and this is the first time that such a person will be extradited to turkey. sweden's accession to nato well, here you see, you said a very correct word about a compromise, the problem is that turkey looks like it does not want a compromise in sweden, that is, by and large, it is not interested in sweden, the americans are interested, and sweden - this

it's just an excuse to find fault with the americans and force them to extract the maximum amount of uh some kind of tush, that is, here i see this situation because in a different way uh, well , the prospects for cooperation between turkey and sweden are very good and uh, on the development of this it was really possible to build a good relationship with a compromise, but so far we don't see it, and in general there are chances that sweden will join nato in the near future . well, i'm not sitting in erdoğan's head, so i can't say anything. well, it's quite possible that if a decision is made that is positive in turkish by the states, then yes, but judging by erdogan's rhetoric, he is at least misleading his audience that he will not compromise his principles, well, this is quite rhetoric that almost excludes a compromise solution. as far as in principle you can now if

we turn to one more important sector of foreign policy, for the last few days we have already talked about the state link and he said that the statement that the united states is close to some kind of agreement is an exaggeration do you think they are close or not? i believe that this publication, frankly, was very uncomfortable for the americans because it immediately raised a wave. well, the question is, at least , what is going on, because all the secret negotiations that we understand are happening. this is absolutely the norm for international diplomacy, but when they become public and the newspapers write about it, these are no longer secret negotiations, uh, i don't think that it is possible to reach this agreement in the near future after it became known like this. well, what

concerns iran, the ceo of megate rafael agrosi noted that iran's stockpiles of enriched uranium have increased by more than a quarter in three months. as of now, tigran has more than 100 kg of uranium enriched to 60% . thus, it has the opportunity to process it into fuel for at least one nuclear bomb . well, in this way, of course, they express their concern again about this situation a-a. what do you think, after all, will western countries, in particular, the united states, be able to influence in some way in the near future to either sign an agreement or maybe some other agreements so that at least they don't continue to increase uranus, well, a difficult question, a difficult question, for one reason, that it is easier, as they say, to sign

an agreement, and it is worse to return to the water, because the exit from the agreement is american, the american withdrawal from the agreement is was due to the serious negative consequences of this agreement, and this is the expansion of iran and this is a great dissatisfaction of israel. and in the end, what can be said , iran continued its activities , including uranium enrichment, but not so at a high pace, but all this process was happening, but the main thing is that, in fact, since 15th year, iran has turned the chessboard in the polish east, that is, thanks to this agreement and when the americans left, they now have to rethink all this in a new way and simply return to the agreement as someone who wants iran , it is almost impossible to mean devastating