[000:00:00;00] camera aimed at leopard a simple keyword search actually led me to a documentary posted on youtube about leopard-2 tanks it is dated 16 years ago but if we compare the images then we really see that it is the same image and exactly at 8.5 minutes i found the same screenshot that was presented on twitter as a russian picture of the destruction of leopard 2, so we can clearly see that they did a good job with this image and we are ready for the fact that this is not the first and not the last a fake from the russians. thank you for shining a light on these fakes. great work. i sincerely thank you and the whole team. whether it's true or fake , that's why i hope

you will like it first of all, and i already hope so. we are in touch with roman ponomarenko, military serviceman, candidate of historical sciences, military historian, mr. roman, i congratulate you. it is very nice to see that there are a lot of historians, yes, my daughter studied, and now she studied at the history faculty in kyiv, and she tells me that there are many historians, including by the way, with dk, well, there are people in the army in the history faculty, what do you think about the ukrainian offensive and how different is it from other offensives of the past, if you are already a historian, then explain the battle to the general public, i constantly ask about it , i constantly think about it, you know what i think as in what version, the directors of the future should somehow come up with how to film offensives. because

before offensives were filmed, a million tanks, a million planes, all forward on horses, any zvoroshilov jumps and everything is fine, but now the ukrainian titles are so quiet and slow so no no not bright let's say how much we now have to transform ourselves as a director of the future who wants to shoot some battle scenes sir novels well now the war has changed a little compared to what was in the future and accordingly the nature of hostilities has changed and the way our offensive is taking place reflects this in a better way that is, we can see that the enemy has strengthened its defenses, has an advantage in artillery, and thanks to this, our attempts to break through the enemy's front line have not yet succeeded, but we have managed to wedge ourselves into

several cities and cling to his defenses so so to speak, to liberate several settlements in different directions, and now the hostilities are continuing. for now, there are still some conclusions from our next one, how it ended and what is happening there. it is still too early to do it at the moment. let's wait until it has officially ended and it will be clear whether it was a great success, or on the contrary, was it a failure, if it was a failure, what was the reason for it, if it was a success, according to what we now have , we will have a situation at the front and what it will lead us to next, but we are just like myself i'm trying to picture it in my imagination. we'll just hear almost nothing, some kind of sluggish, very separate information, and then at some point in time, did i understand you correctly ? and

the ukrainian army will be under melitopol. at some point we will be told that we have now captured mariupol or melitopol or there, i don't know what else can be done or crimea yes and here is the ukrainian flag in sevastopol but this will not be preceded some such big battles are big some offensives like this in the movies people of my age are at least used to seeing just the armed forces of ukraine in them their vision of the media and they do not advertise the nature of the battles as they take place that is if we look at the battlefield official official source then there is very little of information, that is, this information is collected either from the spot, because there are even some enemy channels that cover these events more intensively , so the official, so to speak, officials of the armed forces of ukraine are waiting for when there will be some

the specific result, either we will reach melitopol or you will break through to the crimea somewhere further, or well, depending on what the goal is, and accordingly there will be a print , suddenly some wonderful news that a great success has been achieved, well, there will be no such news at all, and as usual they will tell us what kind of fighting was going on , whether the offensive took place or not, we will regroup and prepare for the next round , e.p. it somehow looks like if people didn't die there, people are just funny well, already with bakhmut, it seems to me, well, well, even i'm not a military man, you absolutely understand what well, what to do under bahmut, uh, there already, well, you'll capture it, you shouted, you captured

it, you've captured it, well done, great putin will give applause to everyone because the star is the hero of russia and so on and so on. and why is there so , well, speaking in ukrainian, they smeared honey for the russians who are under the bachmouth , i have the impression that they need to somehow go to other places . well, although i welcome that they are always under bahmut there are fewer of them elsewhere on the front. but why exactly is bakhmut sitting in their heads? what do you think about this? well, it’s just that when the fighting for bakhmut was going on, the russians announced that when they capture bakhmut, they will continue the offensive, accordingly already in in the direction of kramatorsk slavyanska and so on. and now that they have officially announced that they have won this battle and now, judging by the available data, they are again gathering a group of troops there in order to continue their offensive actions and

to concentrate their forces and conduct some offensive actions under bakhmut, which is beneficial in terms of withdrawing our reserves. so we would throw these reserves, for example, for the development of a counteroffensive to strengthen some areas of the front. and so we will also withdraw them under bakhmut, and accordingly, our reserves will not strengthen the troops that are breaking through the enemy's defense there. will defend already defend in the bakhmut direction carry out these russian counterattacks well, if they will, of course. that is , you want to say, mr. roman, that after all , they are learning something, or am i just it seems uh because they told me that they are not capable of learning because in their academies they teach the system of the second world war and that is why they kill their heads so much in four years that they cannot learn, i.e. something they learned in these one and a half years, of course they learned if they didn't learn anything learned we already defeated

their army a long time ago and ended this war with victory, and since their troops are still entrenched on ukrainian lands and not on russian ones, we accordingly draw the same conclusion from them that the enemy also learns to underestimate the enemy is not worth it, many of us already have the illusion that russia is almost on the verge of collapse, the russian army is not motivated and may run away, but it is not so. and you think that it is not um, that it is motivated and will not run away, because this is a cascading destruction of the front indeed, about six months ago, this phrase stopped sounding in the ukrainian media space. it used to be heard very often that there is hope for a cascading uh-uh, if the destruction on

the fronts and the russians just run the idea of ​​a great russia again arose in the heads. that is, why do you think that they have become stronger? i understand the officers, who are probably just. well, they are officers. he is not an officer. and these so-called volunteer komsomol members, well, it’s just because when they were mobilized, the mobilization was almost six months ago. since we are quite long when our offensive was announced but they did not attack, the russians had time to train their soldiers and, accordingly, when he was taken to the front, for example , he was immediately mobilized there, spent two weeks in a wormhole and got to the front, and here we are we are fighting with people who have already been to the front, we will have some kind of break-in and, in principle, we have gained some self-confidence , first of all, and secondly, the fact that we did not manage to break through their front line in the first week

of the offensive, this should, in principle, instill confidence in them in the fact that their army is powerful, the defense is powerful and, accordingly, their fighting capacity must be increased. of course, if this happens in the front line, then we will be able to enter the operational space there, destroy some low-lying units, liberate the population points, then, of course, their morale will fall and it is possible that there will be panicked escapes and panicked retreats, but for now the front line is holding, so let's hope that they will suddenly start panicking and withdraw from this front line, then it is not necessary to do so, this will not happen. and one more question about the russian defense means, well, we we are constantly watching, this intelligence tells us that various trenches are dug, and how effective is it in general for deterring?

well, i understand that in history, as far as i remember, there were very few cases when any fortifications stopped someone, the same the line of mandrigeim or the lines of the wife they were still penetrated one way or another even by the stupid soviet command of the winter company against finland , they poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked and poked at. which hitler created in france before landing in normandy so ​​when you look at it this is really something powerful and here are the trenches how simple the presence of trenches can stop a modern army well as we can see since

we could not break through their front line behind a week means they were able to stop the trenches on both sides, both armies are digging and ukrainian soldiers are sitting in the trenches, and the more trenches there are, the more soldiers ’ lives are saved, as they say, to save blood, that is, when a soldier spends a lot of time on equipping his trench, he has a better chance of surviving especially in conditions when the enemy is constantly conducting artillery fire, when drones are swarming over the front line, it is precisely in the trench that you can hide from dropping a naked man there or some projectiles of mines and so on. therefore, these fortifications, despite the fact that they seem to many to be outdated. they still have not lost their relevance and will continue to be relevant for a long time. as long as people fight, these elementary fortifications will be extremely relevant. look, you mentioned several times that you could not break through the defenses. and you think that this is exactly what the goal was set for? well

because when you start well, again , i'm not an expert, you start to think that in fact the ukrainians used 15% of their available power in this counterattack, then you sit well, and some say that these were such test strikes if hinting that the command did not set as its goal a breakthrough of some kind so serious that only further, when they feel the weak spots, the artillery will fly and the shells will destroy the ammunition and only then something will begin, and now the estonian intelligence is reporting despite the smiles that i can already see in front of my eyes on people's faces, i explain to everyone that the estonian radio-electronic intelligence is one of the best in the world, and they are generally in nato , estonia is responsible for all these e-e

intelligence e-e actions, she says that do not expect breakthroughs because the ukrainians are only intelligence only such very limited and very fragile moments are taking place at the front, and such breakthroughs were not set as a goal, what do you think was set as a goal, well, first of all, combat reconnaissance was carried out almost the entire previous month along the entire line of contact, that is, it was checked the enemy's defenses were probed and, in principle, our command already had an idea about it. and as for whether the offensive is coming or not, it is obvious to look at the list of brigades that have already been involved in hostilities, then this is clearly not some combat reconnaissance, these are assault brigades that were formed specifically for offensive actions, respectively, if they were used in battles, then these were not

some kind of training strikes, but rather an attempt to attack. well, as for whether the goal was to break through? well, any offensive has the goal of breaking through the enemy's front line, entering the operational space, and so on. to develop the offensive in this way. well, depending on what the goal is, either to liberate more territory or to destroy the enemy force . either to go to the sea of ​​azov or to the crimea there or somewhere else, and at the moment we observe that our troops are gradually pushing it reminds the russian defense in places because it was of the first world war, when there were very strong defense lines and all offensives were tied up in them, bitten and bogged down, and accordingly the battles were quite intense. well , let's hope that our command will find the necessary recipes and accordingly the decisions will be made and we still have reserves and resources. therefore, we still have a long way to go. yes

, that’s it. i have such a micro-discussion here. i don’t question your analyst, but as far as i read somewhere, there are three brigades there are about 20 of them, that is, there is no such pressure of all the forces that exist on the front of the ukrainian side. well , it may be a global idea of ​​our command that it is possible that there are several directions of strikes, but now it is being tested, for example, there are currently ongoing hostilities in donetsk from the zaporizhzhia region to other parts of the front. perhaps they are waiting for the enemy to draw more reserves there to deliver a decisive blow where the enemy does not expect it, this is precisely the military art of the highest there are tests and there are hopes, there are hopes that our command will implement this plan, and the enemy will simply not have enough strength

to parry all our blows from different directions at the same time. well, let's hope that this is approximately the scenario . we will see soon. a military officer, a candidate of historical sciences, a military historian was with us , yes, this confirms the ancient thoughts of military philosophers that war is about who will fool whom, and we will pray that general zuluzhny fools marshal putin. i think that putin already considers himself a grand marshal. okay, now advertising. then let's talk about the international situation , well, at least let's start talking and wait for whether he is waiting or we are waiting for her

. now advertising, please, i have discounts on bionorm 10% in pharmacies traveller, bam and savings nailer two in one when used, you do not need to cut the nail and it is easy to apply twice a day, it penetrates deeply destroys, stops the reproduction of the fungus, brightens the color of the nail, a two-in-one, it is a proven effectiveness, a noticeable result, convenient use , there are discounts on pantestin, darnytsia gel, 10% in pharmacies. tv is a wonderful solution dog covers one movement and you will save your furniture one movement and in front of you is your favorite updated sofa almost for all this only from uah 500-99 the dog cover saved me from unnecessary expenses for a

throw away the sofa skoda bought covers and you know i don’t regret the sofa just don’t recognize the dog covers adapt to any sofa and are easily taken in an automatic machine and all thanks to spanish technology that allows the fabric to stretch in both directions and tightly fit the surface there is an infinite number of colors available for any what flavor choose but hurry while the special promotional price is valid only from uah 500-99 and i immediately bought a set with promotional prices very advantageously dial the number on the screen and say i want dog covers at a special price, call your sofa is rubbed and dirty, and these pets think your old sofa can no longer be saved in unpack tv there is a solution, a miracle dog covers, one move and you will save your furniture, one move and in front of you is your favorite updated sofa, almost for all this only from uah 500-99, the sofa cover saved me from unnecessary expenses , the upholstery is already worn out. and the sofa is too bad to throw

away, i bought the covers. machines, and all thanks to spanish technology that allows the fabric to stretch in two directions and tightly fit the surface. there is an infinite number of colors available for any taste. choose but hurry while the special promotional price is valid from uah 500-99 . and i immediately bought a set with very special prices advantageously dial the number on the screen and say i want dog covers at a special price, call the war has raised its head again in europe, reminding us of the darkest hours of our history franc24 constantly covers events in ukraine, our team

on the ground and in the studio will inform you about the dynamics of the events, see the latest news from franz 24 ukrainian nespresso again good health my name is mykola veresen, as i promised , we will be with you until 6 p.m. and as well as promised the citizen project manager information defense of the fund open policy minister of youth and sports of ukraine from 14 to 19 years old mr. good health thank you for joining us on sunday evening and i would start with you and i talking about this about this me and i was just going to work, i was looking, yes, no, i didn’t understand anything yet, but i understood that there is some new order of the ministry of sports that changes something , so before that there was no participation in competitions where there are russians, something has changed , something has changed, somehow ukrainians will now be able to participate because

that then we simply run away from sports in general due to the fact that the russians will climb there everywhere. well, accordingly, the ukrainians will not be able to. this is some new information on this matter. well, the assessment of the previous decision is unchanged, yes, because it is a shot in the foot. when you do not take part in those competitions where there is a russian, it is necessary to squeeze russians out of the big sport and not ukrainians, some decision has been made regarding the participation of our athletes where the russians will be under a neutral flag, then how temporary it is absolutely possible, but i will say it again i must emphasize. we are creating an exterminating coalition. we are also creating that coalition. the government is doing this, but why can we create a sports coalition in support of ukraine? 35 countries support ukraine's position

. i think that we could suppress the appropriate the decision of the international olympic committee regarding the non-participation of russians in international competitions and olympiads, including that this should be our basic position, but we need to work on it, and one more question from all of this in the same direction. igor , please tell me, but you say 35 countries well, maybe not necessarily at some kind of olympic meeting , but just individually agree with estonia , agree with poland, agree with other countries and then just put this olympic committee or all these people in front of the fact people, now 35 countries are not going to the olympics, 35 countries are not going to the world cup for one reason or another, and if we were to, i think that one country is russia or 35, well, everyone understands where

the truth is, let's tell the truth, there is no mr. igor, really, it is like that i am actually a complicated story. my colleagues are trying to find igor zhdanov on the world air. i am just thinking that on the one hand there is logic to those ukrainian athletes who simply say i will not go where there are russians and it is impossible to force on the other hand it is strange it looks like ukrainians will not go anywhere where there are russians . well, it seems to me that it is like a goat, as the big ice would say , a defeatist position. that is, we, i see how our tennis players fight, first of all, how they win from time to time and what a pleasure ukrainian fans also get from that because of the behavior of girls who don't shake hands with russian girls and how they play and so on and so on and so on. well, i have to find

some kind of position. by the way , i like it very much. at least i know everything. is not a great specialist in sports circumstances but it seems to me that this logic, which mr. igor zhdanov makes public, means that it is necessary to build bridges and somehow encourage other countries and other federations to work together, and he is indeed right if ukraine was able to achieve in very difficult conditions what tanks give and ot and airplanes promise. i have an impression that i continue our conversation, but already alone . excuse me, ihora, i have the impression that there are simply no people in the ministry of sports with such a diplomatic gene, a gene of diplomacy knowledge

as an understanding of what needs to be said, it is necessary to call, it is necessary to impose oneself, to contact, it is necessary to invite, in the end, to invite to ukraine, to show the stadiums destroyed by the russians, the sports grounds are destroyed while he is the only one to say well, who did it and what kind of person has the right to come to international competitions i am supporting you, mr. igor, i am saying that you have logic, in previous broadcasts about this very thing, they said that it is necessary not to sit down in kyiv to the minister of gutsaite and at the same time the head of the national olympic committee committee and go to negotiations go to geneva to the international olympic committee arrange a press conference video conference with our friendly countries regarding your question about 35 countries , the sports system is based on decisions, first of all, in national federations regarding the admission or non-admission of athletes to participate in competitions such a decision was made by the international olympic

committee, which handed it over to the federation regarding the boycott, well, you know, it is a very difficult decision to boycott certain sports because it can don't make excuses and then we will have very big problems that we really refused the competition, in fact now we are in a stable boycott, we announced boyko as the competition in which russians participate under the national flag or under a neutral flag, so let's approach this very carefully i emphasize once again that we need another decision by the international olympic committee. i think that we are capable of selling it, for this we need to do it, and first of all, to the minister of youth and sports, mr. vadim gud of the site, i do not agree here that i

i understand sports, but because i still follow the news, it's my job , and i haven't heard anything about mr. gutsaite for months , for example, about a candidate who can announce the organization of such a sports coalition. yes, and there is no minister of sports. the minister of foreign affairs, but the minister of foreign affairs now there are hundreds of thousands of other tasks that he must perform, and here is the direct obligation of the minister of sports to deal with this very issue, and not to think that he is already the head of the national olympic committee. but if you are there the national olympic committee, yes, he is national, he represents ukraine, so protect the interests of ukrainian sportsmen of ukraine, don't be silent, listen to my ironic remark at the end before we move on to international affairs, well, you know, when there are ministers and the head of the committee, then in principle he is right there is no need to work because as a minister

he says no one goes to international competitions . and as the head of the olympic committee says, well , the ministry said not to go , then we are not going. and we don’t go and it’s so convenient two hands one hand says ban and the other hand says well we were banned but these are two hands of the same person very beautiful and in general i like it very much i would like to thus a direct conflict of interests because the national olympic committee is partially financed at the expense of funds from the state budget, which go directly through the ministry of youth and sports, well, that's right. by the way, to all of our anti-corruption bodies, including the nazk. well , let's talk about international events. let's talk about international events.

they came first to kyiv and first to warsaw, in warsaw they wanted to bring a lot of weapons to russia, is this such an international scandal , then to kyiv, then to st. petersburg, and what kind of result can be? his policy, or how effective is the coefficient of this visit of these african leaders here as peacekeepers, let's say how much the result can be such that putin is satisfied , let's give a few circumstances here, the first circumstance - it is more likely that they are not the promoters of the russian peace plan, but of the chinese peace plan, which is agreed with russia on some aspects , the friend insisted that well, i think that the result was zero. i think that our