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to friday at 20:00, repeat at 12:10 , we continue our broadcast with us in touch, boryslav bereza, former people's deputy of ukraine, public figure congratulations, mr. boryslav , congratulations, congratulations, well, let's start with the propaganda activity of the president of the russian federation, he actually has developed extremely in recent days, and the meeting is the so-called warlords and, by the way, with the leaders of the south african countries, the south african republic of senegal, zambia and other representatives of the african countries , he could also look different in kyiv, but they did not arrange this meeting for a propaganda show, and then arranged amazing performance in front of valentina tereshka, who was the only spectator , his stay on the podium is also incredibly fabulous, but one way or another it should remind russians of the greatness of their state

. why is it so propagandist? i would say metushnya na na there are three reasons, first of all, the large number of telegram channels in russia show that somehow the tsar is not real, there is no information about him , he does not say anything, he is silent, and even serhiy karaganov speaks about the need to bomb poznan with nuclear weapons, and putin is all one thing is silent and now they threw him out into the public space in order for him to appear , this is the first thing, the second thing is that he wants to show a good physiognomy as an actor in a bad game and he is trying to show that everything is okay, that everything is not so bad. look, they are coming to us international representatives everything is working with us, i am here, i have not disappeared

, especially the story is about when he met with a soldier, how he remembered luzhug, this is the first time i have seen it in a long time, when putin started stuttering as soon as he remembered luzhug, i wish i were where you are , you something was not so clear. and the third reason - this is the most important, uh, the last polls in russia, no matter how we treat them, show that the demand for a violent public movement still exists, and this strong hand came again and showed that it exists and not only hides in bunkers and actually e started her election campaign, which will begin and end next year, we all understand that he will win anyway, because this is an election with known results in advance, but they make an imitation, an imitation. and tell me why, in your opinion, putin wanted to show

this agreement with ukraine, the so-called the year 2022 was criticized by all russian patriots as they were approved by putin himself, well, the patriots are in quotes, of course, as they were approved by putin himself and which, one way or another, was never characterized in russia as a real document for an agreement with kiev, and here he shows it to the african leaders. look, it was, and they didn’t want it . what is a leader? there were agreements at the meetings that were actually destroyed destroyed after the russian troops were knocked out of

the kyiv region i want to remind you when someone talks about the iron of goodwill i personally was the person who was also in irpen 21 on may 28, the last time they were there was when we were leaving in irpen , so i want to say that when we came, they chased us with everything possible, and on the 28th they were already thrown out of there , they defended themselves, they could not withstand our advance, so the stories about it that it was out of good will, i personally, what did this gesture look like, they were rejected and when they destroyed all their logistical connections, when they did not receive either shells, or were in a kit, or food, they were forced to retreat because they could not provide their troops with everything they needed. therefore this is a delusion, but then there were negotiations and a lot of things were agreed upon. hmm, what appeared today could be perceived as actually treason personally after they said that no

, we will never negotiate, then every time it was heard that let's at least somehow sit down and agree to stop this war and he showed, but what did he show? he showed only one page of the intrigue, he showed about the agreements about the troops, how much ukraine wanted to leave, and how much russia wanted, and only that. there was nothing else, not about the territory, not about anything else. and this is the most important thing. because putin has started a big game. he is showing that he will somehow frighten our kyiv. in any case, it is necessary to understand that putin should not be given the opportunity to play his game . he did not show it. it does not make any sense . you can say that it was procrastination. hmm, time can talk about happiness as much as it wants, but you can't give in to its blackmail, because

playing with scammers means admitting in advance that you will lose. that's why we have to wait for the next steps and sooner. that's all, we'll see some more bills, but these bills have nothing now what is common with reality is real now that now the armed forces of ukraine under the leadership of the chief of staff and under the development of the plan of the head of the general staff are whispering forward and this is the main thing and the next gesture of goodwill will be under the pressure of our military regarding the agreement on african presidents traveled by farists asked putin that putin somehow agree on the continuation of grain transportation for the african continent of ukraine is increasing, this is very important from the point of view of food security in countries of africa the day after their visit, the press secretary of the president of the russian federation says that the grain agreement

will most likely not be extended by russia, that there is no reason to extend it, what does this mean at all, that he is showing pressure don't pressure ukraine, let ukraine sit down at the negotiating table let ukraine negotiate with me , let ukraine agree to my desire to see the future of ukraine as i wish and as it was written, for example, on this piece of paper that you showed in the video earlier. in fact, let's tell a more global story, africa needs food, food, in part, which is represented by ukraine, and supplies it through its agricultural companies, and africa needs it now, by destroying the grain agreement, putin shows that africa will suffer, but it's not because of me , putin says that our agreements are not being implemented moreover, the interests of russia are not realized, and before this is not a secret, the russians tried to start

the operation of the ammonia pipeline within the framework of this agreement, but this did not happen, the ammonia supply is now destroyed, as well as the kakhovskoe hpp, and because of that hmm putin is now showing that he wants to get something from the grain agreement . but we must not forget about one more thing, africa, especially north south africa, it is very powerful and cooperates with china . i do not want to say that these are satellites of china, but partners, and therefore china will lobby, especially for the future terms of grain agreements in order to secure africa, but russia wants to get something from china, and turkey has not yet said its word, so i believe that this blackmail will be the same as the last one until the last day

, but then they will continue because otherwise china will not receive a-a food for countries where it has a huge influence on the politics of myroslav let's talk about the euro-atlantic integration of ukraine because these days there was a lot of important news and among these news the statement of the president of the united states that ukraine will not be able to become a member nato will not yet meet the political standards of the alliance. this is already very good, but in nato itself , it seems to me that there are already enough countries that do not meet the political standards of the alliance . turkey, tao, hungary are a perfect example , especially not for what is happening with by the acceptance of sweden and hungary, i will explain why both turkey and hungary, vitaliy, are already members of nato, so they became members earlier, they became members earlier when the conditions were completely different, even we, when we had the opportunity

, demanded less from us than now, but the problem is that we need nato membership is needed, and more than that. for us, this is a condition of security after the war and a guarantee that the next war with russia will not start, which could be the last for ukraine and a disaster for us, that is why they tell us that ok, we are ready to see you in nato, but you need to change to fight the same corruption. yes, we can say that we have corruption, but there is corruption , for example, in the same romania, hungary, greece . our problem is that if we do not overcome this block, our future is at risk and our security is at risk, and we cannot do anything about it, and this is exactly what biden is saying

. by the way, he added that i believe that ukraine will be able to overcome these dens and succeed in all of them, why not us it can be given, but it must be finished to tell the standard story of biden why they in nato should not only go to nato standards and fight corruption with the same corruption by the way, corruption exists in all countries, but look at the level of perception of corruption that is published every year in the internet where ukraine and where that hungary itself, our situation is much worse, so let's at least bring it to their level, in principle , it may be that nato member countries will find some steps that speed up our integration, let's say they are talking about what we we can join nato without a plan for membership, and this will also significantly shorten

the distance of our euro-atlantic integration. and we can enter , but there must really be any plan written down that needs to be carried out in turn , points points abcd after which we can become members of nato on one or another under the conditions, but when they listen to the news that eggs are bought for uah 17 in ukraine, when they find out that the deputy minister of defense was bribed, when it is known that the other deputy minister of defense actually m-m in april last year, when there were terrible battles and when the ukrainians gave their lives so that we could prevent the russians from being pushed away from the capital, they made money on low-quality body armor or raised the price of a uniform, and buying it now

gives him suspicion of corruption. they see all this, and the drums for our regional state administrations they also see and they wonder why such a member of the alliance should get rid of at least such demonstrative scandalous corruption although all these scandals are with him. and they also see that not a single head of the district state administration was involved in all of them, like the drums of an electric frying pan for 720,000 and everything else, or , for example, the renovation in the style of a neon night club in the neon of zaporizhzhia, there, too. everyone stayed on their own positions, no one was even removed from their position or suspended from performing their duties for a period of time, there are no investigations and investigations, and this is how they see it in europe, so we can really

overcome it, but for us, we need to show effective work and not imitate or shout to show that we are ready to change. by the way, this is also related to judicial reform. because we have an imitation of judicial reform . and nato is not a military alliance, it is a military-political alliance, and they want a country with a clear political situation and a clear future, when i talked in brussels with nato representatives, they told us one story , that hungary is a problem, but nato did not care for the second hungary western politicians that ukraine will necessarily be a member of nato, but only after the end of the war. and what is the end of the war for the west? how should

it happen for the west after the end of the war is the cessation of hostilities? well, frankly , many people don't like it, but that's how the end of hostilities is signed. mmm recognition of the borders of a-a or our parties and after that it can be recognized that the war is over and in the west they want to see something like the khasavyornov agreements but at the official level something what, for example, after the end, what was the reason for the end of the war in yugoslavia, but the question is that putin is not satisfied with such conditions, he is not ready to return to the borders of ukraine and give back control over these territories , moreover, he is not very concerned about the number of executions in russia, he is not concerned about the loss of image and

reputation, no, he he wants to go to transcarpathia - to etch his name in history and this is the main story for him, that's why after the war, that's exactly after the end of hostilities, but another story, can they accept us immediately after the war ? it is still important to draw up a plan and implement it step by step, this would be the main story. and by the way , it would be good for the united states to hear that it is also necessary to do this, this, and this. and then you will be in nato, but they cannot answer that, for example when the last time president volodymyr zelenskyi was in washington even before the start of the full-scale invasion, he met with biden, and then biden pointed out to him that it was necessary to fight corruption, moreover

, they pointed to names that should disappear from ukrainian politics because they, well an example of corruption and you in general because of them. this is what did not happen, moreover, no cases are being prosecuted. well, that is why the united states is not happy that ukraine with such a corrupt trail can become a partner in the alliance. by the way, i was recently reminded of a very interesting story about the complaint, which was allowed to do anything but not to sell weapons to communists, they were engaged in persecuting the opposition to drug sales, it happened that vitaliy, yes, they looked at it calmly, but as soon as he

sold weapons to the communists of his government finished this is a very interesting story in analogy with ukraine . i will explain what we are talking about for ukraine. in the fact that ukraine was under protection, that in russia it could not fight further for the other side, protection, protection is most interested in the fact that the citizens of europe , the united states, others, did not fight with russia and did not provoke russia into a nuclear war, and in any case, the last opinion poll that there were places there three years ago, they show that in germany, in germany, with weapons in their hands, 10% of the population is ready to defend, 10% of the population is ready to fight for germany, ask them how many of them are ready to fight for ukraine, i am not sure that it will be a large number, even fewer will want to fight

the citizens of hungary are citizens of other countries, so when you ask europeans today, they say we want security, this alliance guarantees us this security, and ukraine, well, yes. big corruption elected a thief twice who was behind bars as the president because you want ukrainians to tell us western partners and citizens, unfortunately, this is a painful truth, but we have been coming to this for a long time. and now the main thing is that they help us survive with weapons and money, but make us a part of common structures are not in a hurry, this also applies to the european union, unfortunately

, the latest events in the european union are interpreted in the same way as the decision of the venice commission, this is a language issue raised by the venice commission. the issues of the law on oligarchs raised by the venice commission, a huge number of other issues, we are told somewhere that you adopt the law on oligarchs, but it is not a law in the sense of the struggle of oligarchs. it is a law on the usurpation of power. is a person loyal or not loyal or on the contrary, this is an opportunity to squeeze the opposition or take control of the media, here is the law on oligarchs that are in ukraine, the venetian commission told us that you can correct this law, but you have to fix almost 80%. what we are talking about is that it is necessary to change the decision-making of the nsdc, to take it away and transfer it to the courts or to another structure that is not subordinate to the president of ukraine, and this is directly written in the decision of the venice commission, a separate story - this is

the decision of the russian commission on the law on mass media on everything else you understand, they tell us, you have a name, well, a form, but the essence is a completely different meaning, and these are not european standards, when the european parliament accepts an appeal to the president of ukraine that he did not sign the law 5 6 5 - this is a law that, in general, everyone is frank they respectfully say that he is a lobbyist, he is in the interests of a small handful of developers, but he is being pushed by the head of the presidential party, the servant of the people, olena shulyak, and a member of the people's party, dmytro isayenko. these two people actually forced the european parliament to appeal to the president of ukraine so that he would not sign it. pay attention to the fact that if we only have an imitation of stepping towards europe, then what is it about if we want to do it is necessary

not to imitate, but to go, because now we are waiting for a large urbanization of the country, it is in general but well, the same orban, who is in hungary and is not happy about him, the europeans are not happy about it. now the conflict between budapest and brussels is frankly a powerful conflict. he is on the basis of the law on education, on the basis of the law on judges , the judiciary, there are a huge number of issues, and now the financing of hungary is twisted by the european union to force orbán to make the country more european, but they are afraid of an even bigger story, so we can enter the european union, it is easier to do, but we still have to go for a walk, not every six months or two months

to say well, we are already being accepted, i want to remind you that estonia overcame the path to the european union in seven years, and it is considered the fastest 7 years, but they worked with one on the day they reworked their legislation, adapted it to european ones and did not imitate it, but really went to estonia to the european union excuse me and the main thing is how i once communicated with andrusamansyp. he was the prime minister of estonia. it was the tenth or 11th year. i don't remember frankly anymore and he even in 2011 and he told me then that when we realized that if we now everything we will not do and will not become members the european union, in a few years we will lose our chance, so ukraine must understand that if we do not start this path now, we

will lose our chance again and this chance will not be there. a member of the european union. we must do something . we must do something. boryslav bereza, a former member of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, a public figure. the director of the kyiv-pechersk lavra national reserve is the head of the khortyts national reserve in 2007-2022. greetings, maksym. good evening. well, let's take a look at what is happening in the lavra. by and large, the deadline for leaving the uoc of the moscow patriarchate has expired. they are conducted, the keys to the objects are not given , no court decisions are in effect, what happens next , in fact, the court decisions are in effect, and to date, the most important thing that has happened

is that the de jure state has regained the the property of those objects that were transferred to e-e reserves at one time to e-e monastery, but we still have a problem in that we, as a legal state, have to go through all the court processes and now actually both the reserve against the monastery and the monastery and the counter-reserve have been filed by the court and this this procedure is being carried out in order to find out in what way the stay of the monastery within the boundaries of the kyiv-pechersk lavra should be terminated. to continue this ministry of monks in the monastery. another question is which monks and what is the way for the monastery to cease to be a stronghold of the russian world proper and turn into a truly ukrainian shrine, a shrine of universal orthodoxy, and cease to be a place to

fill the budget of church oligarchs, as it was for the last decade the state has now done everything and the next step is for the judiciary or for the adoption of relevant legislative decisions. well, let's imagine that all court decisions will be adopted legislative decisions were adopted, but they are not what will be done in such a situation? i am sure that an appropriate decision will be taken against the church oligarchs, and we must clearly distinguish that there are monks who preserve the lavra shrines, who pass on the thousand-year tradition of monastic service, and they are ready to continue this path and be under the banner of ukraine in relation to church leaders of those people who are actually responsible for the lavra and who are connected with its further existence. they must clearly show the society whether they are

subjects of moscow orthodoxy or whether they are independent church, but today, as you know, the ukrainian orthodox church , formerly of the moscow patriarchate, officially declares that it is not connected with the moscow orthodoxy, at the same time, we clearly do not see any definite signal that this dependence has ceased. therefore, this is a question for those bodies that should determine whether it belongs to or is connected with moscow orthodoxy. and tell me, sir, at most, we see that most of the monks of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate , which is located in the kiev-pechersk lavra, do not show no desire. if you want to change jurisdiction, all attempts to urge them to take such a step, i.e. to switch, let's say, to the orthodox church of ukraine, etc., are still not perceived by the majority of these monks as adequate and that in fact this is not quite the case, there are

many monks who clearly show their opinion about the ukrainian their position is the only one. they remain within the framework of the structure in which they have been for decades. now the orthodox church of ukraine has already created a cell, a monastery , which is actually headed by a father in the army representative office and monastery of his pechersk lavra of the orthodox church of ukraine, father avraame is actually one of the first monks who joined the orthodox church of ukraine . i am sure that this process will continue as the necessary legal decisions, court decisions and legislative decisions are made in relation to of the orthodox church of ukraine, which either remains or does not remain in the bosom of the moscow patriarchate. and tell me , please, do you have any contacts with the leadership of the moscow patriarchate? how

you do not explain your current position in relation to the stay in the lavra, we constantly communicate with those monks who remain there, they are actually there, as they say, until the court decision, this is their official position. they are waiting for the court decision and they believe that if the court makes a decision in favor of the reserve then they will actually leave the monastery . as far as i understand , there are a lot of monks with a pro-ukrainian position, they are ready to continue serving in the lavra under the banner of ukrainian orthodoxy, the only thing that is needed is for this legal process to end or a legislative decision was adopted accordingly, which society has been talking about for a long time, but unfortunately such decisions have not been adopted by the verkhovna rada until today, so far we are all waiting how will the status and legal status of the ukrainian orthodox church of the former church of the moscow patriarchate be determined in the legislative field let's talk in the river of your previous activities at the head of the khortytsia national reserve, how do you think its function will change now in connection with what