[000:00:00;00] raffle of valuable prizes june 19, monday 6:30 p.m. preface to the qualifying game for euro 2024 ukraine malta 8:45 p.m. post -match studio tv channel and youtube espresso we need victory the war has raised its head again in europe reminding us of the darkest hour in our history franc24 constantly covers events in ukraine our team on the ground and in the studio will inform you about the dynamics of the event . look at the latest news from franz 24 in ukrainian on espresso. the war in ukraine is the main topic for ukrainians. victories and losses

. analysis and forecasts. politics and geopolitics about all this will be said by serhiy rudenko and the guests of his program people who have information and shape public opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict by serhiy rudenko from monday to friday at 20:00 repeat at 12:10 congratulations you on the espresso channel, our armed forces and defense forces continue contrasting actions in the south and east, and for this purpose , a meeting of the contact group on the defense of ukraine in the rammstein format was held in brussels

, it was announced that the pilots of the armed forces ukraine will be preparing for the f16, however, the event will supply ukraine with a significant number of missiles for air defense systems , which are extremely necessary to repel enemy attacks , it is also about the supply of a significant amount of ammunition and a certain amount of armored vehicles, including this one, which needs to be replaced after losses on the battlefield, according to the results of this meeting us defense minister lloyd austin said that thanks to the historical support of peoples from all over the world, ukraine has good opportunities to overcome the challenges that are still ahead because, according to him, war is not sprint amarathon, in turn, mark milley, the chairman of the chiefs of staff committee, said that it would be very premature to estimate how long the counteroffensive of ukraine might take , given that russia has several hundred thousand soldiers who are now entrenched along the front line, but he assessed the situation as it is, which hm would

predict a very tough struggle that will probably take a significant amount of time and at a high price, in turn, our enemy is also preparing for a long war and is doing it in order to expand its own cooperation with the countries of the so-called axis of evil to which it belongs and north korea and iran, that is, iran is now again in the spotlight for reasons ranging from the desire to acquire nuclear weapons to the increasingly large-scale supply of attack drones to russia. the alliance of tyrannical russia, what further threats does it pose to ukraine and what are the ways to counteract this hostile union, we will talk about this with our expert guests in our military

program, my name is serhiy zgoretsky director of the information consulting company defense express, which, together with the espresso channel, strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security, and now we are joined by ihor semigolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies p . igor congratulations, it is nice to see and hear. i sincerely congratulate mr. serhiy, i am also glad to see and hear, p. igor wanted would like to first explain a little to our viewers and to me this situation, which is now consisting of publications with initiatives , real or not, regarding the conclusion of such a new agreement between the united states and by iran, because at first a part of the publication wrote that such an agreement was being prepared , it involves certain concessions from both sides, then iran, in a material for bloomberg, denied that such negotiations with the

united states were taking place. i was interested in the fact that in the format of concessions, iran can, conditionally speaking , abandon plans to supply ballistic missiles to the russian federation, but this is like an additional touch, but in general, what does this have to do with is it an agreement or not, where is the relationship between the united states and iran moving? well, there must be a certain background here, it is a little , it is that in the 18th year, when president trump made the decision to withdraw from this and the nuclear agreement, the other partners of this agreement were persistently criticized later political connection - this is america and biden undertook to return to this agreement. but it is clear that it is impossible to return to that river in the same water, and it is clear that the negotiation process was hampered by the fact that

the nuclear agreement gave iran the opportunity to expand in the middle east provided the opportunity for resources that they used not to improve the lives of their population but to strengthen their capabilities, including defense capabilities. of all these negotiations, which continued almost immediately after biden returned to power, er , in the white house, and there was a guarantee that iran would reduce, well, stop the expansion, yes, that is , a guarantee somewhere, guarantees to the allies of the united the states of america in the regions that you will use to undermine their security

, first of all , these are the gulf countries, and of course israel. by the way, the israelis are categorically opposed and they are such a joker in this game . -what possible signed agreements and reserve the right to act as they please, based on their national interests, and it is obvious that this agreement was finally stalled already in december in december in january in december january 21 of the 22nd year then there was the last such direct round of negotiations, and after that we basically did not hear about it, there were discussions within the american team that it was necessary to stop all this, other experts said that it was necessary to continue , obviously part of the negotiation team continued. these contacts and such negotiations and consultations can be called they and

continued to take place, including in some countries of the middle east, that is, yes , yes, i am listening yes, sorry, yes, and i think that the rumors about these negotiations about the possibility of reaching some kind of interim agreement, they are not groundless, that is, something like that arose , the question is how beneficial it was actually. now, should the americans leak this information about this agreement or the iranians, and it seems to me that there are americans and iranians who are not very happy with the fact that this information has become public and rather for all this, it either indicates that these negotiations have failed or indicates that there are forces that want to undermine this process. that is, it is also obvious to me, and in parallel, the united

states of america, as you know, has committed to return to the nuclear agreement and in general to this agreement in their there, in their contacts, the europeans, yes, the europeans put it forward as a condition , and this is also a circumstance that forces the americans to at least support such a certain level of negotiations. i think that for now we can talk about the possibility of achieving it is too early for such an interim agreement, but the very fact that these negotiations are ongoing, the very fact that contact is taking place, well, this indicates that the americans remain committed to diplomacy in the case of iran, yes, that is, i think that there is a wonderful understanding, despite such loud statements that were made by the blinkin walls at one time during a visit to the middle east, that all options for solving the iranian problem are on the table, including

military ones. but uh, where is depp anyway gives the key priority to conducting secret diplomatic negotiations, which in principle is very typical for the americans, ukraine should follow at least at some stage because when i asked about ballistic missiles, i understand that one way or another they should appear in the negotiations between the americans and the iranians, although this is when the secretary of the us security council kir would unequivocally say that from the very beginning of hostilities, iran is on the side of the russian federation, that this is such a large-scale defense partnership that harms ukraine, the regions in the middle east and the international community. then the question arises whether there are any ukrainian tracks there in these negotiations and in general, how then does iran perceive the war between ukraine and russia from its ideological preferences and its ideological orientations

? the answer is that during these negotiations there is a track recorded in ukrainian that this issue was discussed in detail, it is quite possible to assume that such a track exists, it would be logical during the negotiations because it could tell the iranians that the package was achieved do not trust the americans very much. i do not think that they will be ready to take such steps as to limit cooperation with russia, since they now consider it one of the key strategic partners. at the same time, we know that at least macron held such negotiations with the iranians, and there almost all the time it was about ukraine, that is, even though besides the americans, there are

other important players . the iranians with these relations, um, for the iranians, these relations are very important, and france is just ahead in this, and that's why it seems to me , in any case, that during these negotiations there were talks about ukraine and about the supply of drones, the supply of missiles or not were but in any case this topic is already public it is raised during the negotiations, it is discussed, and that is why i think that , unlike the previous times when the ukrainians talked more about it, the commission was not created. how do you know the commission that was? well, it was never created on drones, and now this issue is becoming so. to state the obvious yes, that is, it is already being discussed at the level of negotiations at the highest level, no, it is more difficult for the iranians, of course, to simply evade

and pretend that they do not know this, do not hear it, and these are not their drones, although in principle they continue to play their game and they are here as they say they have a knack for internal attitudes, then of course the situation here is not so rainbow for the ruling radical group, which is connected to the body of the boarders of the islamic revolution, because a significant number of the population does not support, first of all, those of them ties with russia from in view of the past and past relations with russia, russia has several times acted as an aggressor in relation to iran and at one time occupied iranian territories, and in addition , there are many people inside iran who do not support this war, the very idea that

iran is participating in an imperialist war, but so far one gets the impression that the circumstances have developed in such a way that the islamic revolution guards corps and those political forces affiliated with it, they a-a shepherd e-e have taken carte blanche, that is, they have no other options than to plunge further and further, and the more the question missiles well, for now it is not on the agenda, it is for various reasons, i think that it is too obvious the appearance of such iranian missiles, besides this, it is another violation of the un security council resolution of the 15th year, where it was prohibited any the export of these missiles, and the import, so, well, we can say that the situation is ambiguous in iran itself, but in principle, these forces that are against aggression, against iran's participation in aggression, they cannot influence the ruling

group, that is, in fact, the delay there is complete let's put it this way, the cancellation of the decision on the transfer of ballistic missiles there e-e to the russian federation is such a conscious decision of iran at the current stage that it should not be done in view of the consequences and probably in view of the position of france or certain countries that are they are trying to convince the wounded to behave in an absolutely predictable way , that is, in fact. on tuesday there was a statement to the leaders of rich money that iran is rapidly approaching the increase of enriched uranium reserves and the question arises whether this process is really happening quickly enough and

whether iran is hoping for help here of the russian federation, because a year ago there were such strange statements that iran wants to get more stockpiles of nuclear materials there and to use them in nuclear power plants, including for processing into a weapons format. what is happening with this, what is the process, what are the consequences be the results, there are various contradictory data, of course, the israelis are alarmists here, in this case, they give more inflated numbers of uranium enrichment and the root of the fact that uh , iran stands from uh, dates the creation of a nuclear bomb, literally there are weeks and months, well, uh

as of now , there is still no data that would indicate that iran has accumulated a sufficient amount of enriched uranium to have a nuclear bomb . the presence of nuclear weapons, i.e. they are simply based on the official iranian doctrine of islamic evolution, as if they oppose the presence of nuclear weapons , and i have the impression that, of course, this situation can change, but it cannot be such unequivocal assessments but as of now, they continue with this rather the threat of the bomb rather blackmailing than er they want to get it in the end because er they can't exactly predict how the world should behave with it further yes i.e. what will happen after they will carry out an explosion, well, this nuclear explosion, demonstrating the presence of their bomb, that is, what will happen, and this

circumstance, i think to a large extent, determines their behavior, that is, they, in short, rather consider it as a weapon containment or the threat of deterrence than the self-development of a nuclear bomb, but the situation can change, it’s the same as you see what is happening with putin, it can happen with er and raisi with others because they are all, in principle , made from approximately the same dough and i asked if russia is not pushing where irando more such quick steps in order to achieve a greater imbalance around the world around nuclear weapons, because the russians are back there again, for a publication by kargan, literally a couple of days ago, about what is there , the weapon of god, we are there, we have to show the americans that we really have red lines there, they need to be scared. and are these not parallel processes, which in particular in the russian federation and you are early, or can they not be

coordinated? well, i do not know about the coordination of karaganov's article, of course, and what is happening in iran a it seems to me that this is just a name, some budgetary processes that are taking place, but for sure i understand that it is not profitable for the americans, he is on the verge of spending resources on two fronts, and that is why iran is taking advantage of this, that is, he wants to achieve certain concessions for himself, which is particularly threatening the possibility of starting a full-scale war in the middle east, eh, iran is increasingly clearly demonstrating such new technological developments, it seems there. a week ago, because they showed there a new ballistic missile, which is better than a dagger, as they explained, and i have a question, in view of your knowledge here demonstrative steps. these are more likely propaganda actions by the leadership

of iran, or indeed during this time iran has ensured such a certain technological and industrial progress in creating new types of weapons or in copying samples that are partially there got to it from other countries and what do you think is happening, well, it is impossible not to say that, after all, in iran, the iranians were able to achieve serious, serious successes yes , in the development of missile weapons, the question is, how much weapons will be effective, we have already seen about daggers, and the situation with daggers , as we said that they are not taken, they are not taken, that is, the situation here is also and in general, it drags, insists on the place, they also create a new weapon that will intercept , including, similar missiles. so all this will be

er, we will be able to assess the quality of this weapon only during its actual use, and therefore, but yes, they are masters at this, but they are also masters of pr and lies and everything else, that is , in this sense, they, like their own, said that war is a way of deception and everything else. and when we talk about the project of the russian federation in the morning regarding the creation of a new enterprise on the territory of tatarstan, which will manufacture these modernized shaheds, i don’t know what they will be there, they are called from the american side, there is a colossal power there 6,000 drones per year, that is, 400 of these shaheds per month, this information that will spread through the american development in the e-e in the american publications , should it be an impetus for strengthening sanctions ? to evaluate their future well, to keep within certain e-e frameworks, what do you think about this

matter, you know, i have great doubts that they soberly evaluate their future, that is , it is quite possible that you understand at some point when you become part of some other alliance that is, you are strongly attached to russia, then you get the feeling that the defeat of russia means the defeat of all, remember recently, e. koshinyan, the prime minister of armenia. after returning from moscow, he talked about the fact that he could not imagine how russia would lose, because then e- armenia will die, that is, something similar is obviously happening to the iranians, that is, at least to part of their elite, which has seriously tied itself with the russians. they evaluate this war already through the prism of their security and the dangers that will not save them. moment regarding

let's say from the factory. well, they are, if this is not the first drone factory, mr. serhiyevich, you better know how many drone factories drone factories have been built in russia, including with the help of other middle eastern countries in the 24th year, but this is still a question. of course, if additional sanctions are introduced and the possibility of supplying systems for these drones is limited, then it is obvious that this plant will not reach industrial capacity , but in the end, anything can happen. with this plant yes, it may explode in the end, but something may not happen yet, well, i mean, i want to say that this is a threat, it exists, there is real cooperation between iran and russia in this direction, it is quite powerful, the iranians are not going to stop this, because, as i said, they started

for some reason of them, why do they see this as an existential threat, that 's why something needs to be done about it, and obviously not only to ukraine, but also to americans and europeans, to everyone else. that is, this is a question. and in the near future, more and more the first one is on the first column, i will say the agenda and p. igor, i have a question about the fact that iran also receives important components from russia to strengthen its defense capabilities, in particular , these 135 fighter jets, and the question arises whether israel will calmly look at the strengthening of aviation components there nuclear missile, will he act more decisively? when you feel that a certain number of steps are already out of bounds, ah, well, obviously, israel's rhetoric

is quite eh, let's say serious, eh, they are ready to use weapons as they claim they will not look back at the americans if there is no threat . at the same time, i do not really imagine how it could happen to strike iran without the direct involvement of the americans, the british and others, that is, in any case, it is rather, well, such preparations yes, emotional and informational preparation for a possible war in the morning, and in parallel with these wounds, of course, strikes at warehouses and at the same er workshops for the production of the same

drones in syria. of israeli planes but let's talk about the fact that now there is already some clear and understandable strategy, what will happen in the event that there is a conflict in such a cold, yes, or it is possible to say semi-cold. and it will be completely hot. well, for now, i think that there are no such ideas. obviously, there are certain tricks . recently, this year , joint israeli-american maneuvers were held, and there are also air defense equipment. er, the possibility of joint strikes on er enemy objects was also worked out, i'm here

let's not forget that the situation in syria can get complicated, because it is still in the north-east. the counter to which the american military is located, they can also be attacked by the bolko shiite groups, which are essentially iranian proxies, and this is also can lead to escalation. that is, there are several directions that can lead to the emergence of a heated conflict. igor, thank you very much for your professional explanations, for your comments, for your time, and i will remind our viewers that on the air the press class or igor semigolos, the director of the center middle eastern studies, and then to another topic that is also related to iran's prospects, positive or negative, or now rather negative, oleksandr los, the former head of the antonov concern, a doctor of technical sciences, currently a captain of the armed forces of ukraine, who takes care of the future directions of the development of the armed forces, is joining us. congratulations, oleksandr you

, serhiyevich, i congratulate you, i wish you health and glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, but i would like to ask you about iran, but because of another, from a different point of view , in fact, iran is under sanctions, but it also creates means of impression and unmanned complexes, what conclusions should we draw from this, that sanctions do not work and that the political will of individual leaders, as we see , can be stronger than the actual external restrictions, we repeat with you once again what military-technical cooperation is. it is really political the will is all about politics and sanctions, which are always talked about, these are the sanctions of the united states of america first of all, then the sanctions of the european union, but let's say

what high-precision weapons are made of, this is in first of all, microelectronics, optoelectronics, composite materials, that's what concerns microelectronics, the word micro comes from the fact that any microcircuit can be hidden in a pocket and, in principle, it's hard to imagine how you can block international traffic, let's say, sorry for such a comparison, but just like stairs drug trafficking is international as well as traffic of electronic components of microcircuits. unfortunately, it is physically impossible to block it, so it is true when they say that the sanctions of the united states are working. so this means that the american company and those equipped with them are not supplied to the collective, let’s call it, regimes or terrorist regimes do not supply microelectronic components, but unfortunately this does not mean that by means of the development of the intelligence of those countries about which north korea of ​​the russian federation is impossible to regret this traffic is not covered up and what you and i talked about last year, when some commentators

said that russia had run out of cruise missile components, you and i doubt it, unfortunately, these are the last ones , these are our extreme events, i'm sorry, emphasize that what is this traffic? unfortunately, it still exists and i mentioned that in ukraine there was a lot of cooperation with iran. we remember that at one time ukraine cooperated on the iran 140 project , which actually consisted in the fact that on the territory of iran, you and fahanni were going to... the civilian plane iran 140, which was actually a copy of the ukrainian plane an-140, and just a few days ago, the iranian publications showed that a purely iranian plane was rising in the air from the ramp, a military transport plane, which actually now will perform military functions and the question arises whether this is