[000:00:00;00] which once again are virtual to you, this is a russian idea, exclusively russian, and it was aimed at setting the tone for the future conversation on the international arena , see, it is no coincidence that the visit of anthony blinkin to china coincided at the same moment, on the eve of the meeting of the leaders of four african countries with putin and on these same days , the so-called st. petersburg international economic forum is being held, which was actually a failure, there was only one high-ranking representative from algeria, there was no president, not even a president the united arab emirates, he actually fled from there. well, he left because they felt it. well, it is unacceptable that russia, when this event is taking place, and the leaders of african countries are, well, the leaders of african countries are in kyiv and there is a missile attack. putin actually showed a lot of things in this way. what else

can he do with the help of africa? no, not everyone is trying to influence something there, but no. this story is not about china. this story is not against the united states of america. i mean the rejection of african countries. this was exclusively a russian story. moreover, the russian media very actively demonstrated an interesting, interesting, of course, putin's comment in quotation marks, where he said that they did not kidnap ukrainian children from the territory of ukraine, they did not take them out. he said that this was a so-called peaceful evacuation, evacuation was necessary, it was a humanitarian mission. from the points of the african so-called peace plan, it was informally but still talked about recalling putin's warrant, what was the decision about which was adopted precisely because of the abduction of children from ukraine, that is, it is absolutely obvious on the surface that today putin is still trying with the help of countries

under his control to somehow work out the possibility of lifting sanctions on russia, returning ukraine to the table of popular negotiations, and so on, and when we remember that we started to know with you, there is even stoneenberg talking about what so ukraine will go to negotiations with russia. but after the offensive, it will form completely different negotiating positions and will demand more from putin than he even expects . then he understands this. putin clearly realizes that all the actions he took in relation to ukraine are falling on him today, even with small forces, but the armed forces of ukraine are carrying out successful offensive actions in the south, this is the confirmation of the ministry of defense , and the chair under him is absolutely knocked out , he cannot sit now. he and all of them his actions are aimed exclusively at somehow influencing the international community and maintaining certain preferences for himself, but in my opinion this is all a completely unsuccessful story, he has already served his time and

uh, very key in this context is contacts between the united states and china because there is no strategic partnership between the united states, china and russia today, the chinese are demonstrating this way, they are demonstrating to putin that either you will do as we tell you, or it will be and it will not be your way, or you simply will not lead this country, which is called for now russia well, he won't be, i very much hope to lead this country in the near future, and in the end i would like the country as such in its current state with such a name and not to have this stool put a lot of effort now and that this stool about which you said to get out from under him as soon as possible valery thank you very much for participating in the sweet program during the war thank you for your professional comments valery klochok head of the center for public analytics tower political and economic expert well, according to the rules of television, we are forced to make a short

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can vote there, very few people are voting there now, but they are voting on which question we put it to you. why does belarus have nuclear weapons, three options for defense so far , only 14% think so putin forced 81% think well, 5% have their own option, but despite the fact that it is not broadcast on the special channel of the world during the war has a broadcast on general espresso on youtube. i mean, that's why you can watch it there. and of course watch it on the network where we haven't been shut down yet, i hope that will be avoided and returned to all the networks in which we e- well, i'm ready to introduce my next guest. this is evgeny magda - director of the institute of world politics , mr. evgeny. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine, i'm very glad that you joined. thanks to the heroes, mr. yury

. good afternoon, mr. evgeny. well, let's go. we will be with you today, we will dedicate this block to belarus and russia, and let's start with the fact that today i read that you are sure that the head of the president's office , andriy yarmak, gave an interview to the american edition of the volt street journal, well, there are such general phrases that um, correct phrases, some messages about the fact that we will not give up our territory , we are everything, we are everything, but there was one moment when they dispersed immediately, i read it in the russian media, not in the media instantaneous the russian mass media dispersed it, mr. yarmak slandered there that russia wanted to negotiate first, and the russian mass media

immediately said, well, you see, we wanted it , ukraine is to blame. please tell me why such an interview is being given now. i know it’s a coincidence or something. why do this? now wait, mr. yuriy, i’m an expert on belarus , not on the fair. i'm with foreign policy issues to which he , from the point of view of his functional responsibilities, give me no ears and no muzzle, and i do not quite understand this practice of military-field democracy. when you know, in our country, the powers are redistributed in a manual mode, that is , yarmak, which can on the banking e

to be photographed under the inscription "the center of the president 's actions" and he then tells about various things he is there, the marathon, the only news, the newspaper, the party, the servant of the people. by the way, i did not know that the fair is the party, the servant of the people. well, i understand that if a person is promoted by a party, a newspaper the servants of the people are the servants of the people and he is a member of the party, that's right. well, not just. no, they don't promote you or me. well, that's right , and er, when er, they wanted to negotiate. to oneself and after that talk baida why we are not in nato, so you have to ask yarmak why i am in nato because we already have a certain public support for the process of euro-atlantic integration, not yermak, and a public

question has been formed as to why the leader presidential an office that is appointed and can be dismissed by the president alone, he forms state policy in a large number of directions and the question arises. and why, on the basis of what, that is, the president simply delegated his powers ? about exceeding the powers of the president, and you are about the usurpation of power. i do not want to develop this topic now because there is a war going on and we all have to fight for victory in this war , but to give passports to our opponents or

to say that yarmak was not able to convince any cossacks, yes. but, until february 24, 2022, society had the impression that everything was in chocolate with the cossacks, or they had agreed on everything, that everything would be fine. we will be able to agree on everything and then it turned out that we can't why and we can't agree with one simple reason for the simple reason that ukraine is independent and successful ukraine is a huge challenge for russia it's just extremely large-scale that's why they destroy us in any possible way and it will be do next well, that's it then. this, i'll tell you honestly, drove me crazy this morning when i started to check in the russian mass media, not to the mass media, how they tasted it by submitting it, well, you see, we wanted to do it all peacefully. ukraine itself

admitted that it is she guilty, it really pissed me off, that's why thank you for your comment, this is, well, this is even in spite of the fact that we should now be united and, uh, together, bring our victory closer, which is what we are doing together, well, but somehow we have to react to this, well, this is not it's just incredibly incredibly wrong right now let's go to belarus, let's first listen to one direct speech of the führer, which he said this last week, and then a question for you. well, it was my demand, it was not imposed on me by russia. fought, and i don't want them to fight with us, the threat is there, i have to betray, it's a threat, mr. evgeny. tell me, please, you know this person, you must have studied this person when he

says, in what percentage relation to him you can believe and you can't believe, that is, in this case, we still don't know whether this nuclear weapon is on the territory of belarus or not, whether it will be in the near future, or maybe it already is. so when he says that i will use this weapon in any case if someone is trying to do something against belarus, in what percentage can he be trusted in the negative? that is, he will not use this weapon, no, the question is not that . well, you know whether he will use it or not, and who will allow him to do the first is, well, there are several factors. i have no doubt that in in july, russian tactical nuclear weapons will appear on the territory of belarus. but i think that our viewers are well aware that nuclear weapons are primarily an element of political influence, and in this case it is

an element of political influence not even on ukraine, but on poland and lithuania. i will explain why so much is said about what is also in the kaliningrad region from kandera, what is there too, russia can deploy nuclear weapons without any problems at all, but you understand the specifics of the information field when russia deploys nuclear weapons on its own territory, well, that's it it will be normal. and when this happens on the territory of belarus, it causes a corresponding resonance. putin and the lukashenko regime have been playing this game for more than a year, and don't forget that lukashenka's leash was longer in the period of 14-20 years, and after the 20th year, this leash began to shrink, and whispers began to sprout inside it, and when in may 21st they landed a plane with protosevich and then they started

uh, then there was a migration crisis, which, in principle, now led to the actual physical fencing of the territory of belarus, this all led to very, very significant consequences i.e. putin didn't just give lukashenko the status of the last dictator of europe, he made him dependent and subordinate to him, and he skilfully played on lukashenko's statements, who was talking about the fact that we need nuclear weapons . you have nuclear weapons, but lukashenko will not manage them because it is does not correspond to the interests of russia, why should russia give a nuclear club to a person who professes the principles of state economic geopolitics, why should he start dictating prices for oil transit or start

saying give us more money russia uses its tasks and everything is very simple in terms of timing in the first half of july it will be nato in vilnius and russia is playing asymmetrically by placing nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus it will be placed as far as i understand i think russia will specifically leak about it where it will be what it will be eh just got close to the territory of poland and lithuania, and it will have a great impact because, agree, and i think the audience will agree with us , to scare the ukrainians with nuclear weapons now, well, it's difficult because of chernobyl and because of the fact that it's almost over

a large-scale invasion has been going on for 480 days and we have all been living in it for a long time. well, because of the fact that last year we already discussed who should drink it and who should not drink it. that is, well, there are many factors, and in poland and lithuania the situation is different in lithuania according to my observations a political crisis that after nato will simply spill out and there, most likely , the current prime minister will resign, er, shemenite, and then there will be either a new prime minister or new elections, and er, accordingly, it will most likely be in the fall, right? in poland, the elections are already underway, they are already underway for everyone there will be a short break during the summer holidays, but then in the fall there will be a very fierce struggle because law and justice has been in power for eight years and the civic platform wants to move others there, and there will be a struggle for the golden share because it is clear that there are currently the distribution of forces

and this factor of nuclear weapons, you know it, you are sitting next to such a uh-e ventel with informational crap and turn and do not turn back and do not turn back because nuclear weapons especially by the way, after the series chernobyl, hbo, it will be watched by the whole world, and now when you will be in russia , it will shoot its version accordingly. when they will show it, they will show it more . and lukashenko, the fact that lukashenko does not have a consistent position with putin, this is also not a coincidence, because it is, in my opinion, a coordinated inconsistency forgive me for such a pun, i will explain why. because when one says one thing and another says another, each of them draws attention to this problem in their own way, and lukashenko may soon say that he will go

to sochi on a pirnet with a nuclear warhead. i swam in may a few years ago in sochi when the sea was still cold. money was badly needed, and now it is badly needed. a nuclear warhead will be badly needed, but no one will let him control it. there may be a situation with a provocation involving servicemen of the belarusian army . it may be, but no control. first of all, i want to say that i really liked this state farm geo, it's already , well, it's cool, you have to remember it and use it, and secondly, look, if he, as you say , cannot control these nuclear warheads that will be placed on the territory of belarus, and he understands that in the event that, god forbid, someone in moscow decides to do something and launch this nuclear warhead from the territory of belarus

, obviously the answer will not be in the direction of russia, but in the direction of belarus, and russia will most likely not stand up for belarus, he understands it, who is lukashenko? he had the only chance in march of the 19th year, when he received the book russia's hybrid aggression: lessons for europe. he received it in public . he twisted it in his hands. hai did not use it now he is getting the consequences of the fact that he does not read books, putin has also turned lukashenka and almost 9 million belarusians into hostages right before our eyes. russia, on the one hand, everyone will see that

this is russian interest, and on the other hand, you yourself understand this very well in diplomacy, everything works according to the laws and algorithms that exist, and only he will express something on this topic. well a completely different situation, believe me, that is, lukashenko can no longer let himself off the hook, you understand that it is not in his psychological portrait for me to say well, putin offered me nuclear weapons , but i refused faster than lukashenko will say something like that, i understand and for our viewers, i will say that russia's hybrid aggression , lessons for europe, this is a book written by yevhen vada, and he actually saw this book three times, he held it, even in his hands, yes , i really want to hope that he read it.

i see that no. unfortunately, no. evgeny, one more question for you. please tell me. and what is the belarusian national idea, because if we talk about the ukrainian national idea , i have as a simple simple a-a citizen of our country, it is somehow agreed or explained by the fact that if we are faced with any problems, we unite so strongly that even some crackdowns on the independence square do not disperse us or scare us away. and what is the belarusian national idea, that is, when will the belarusian national idea manifest itself to the extent that lukashenko will become, well, at least the president of this country , you know mr. yury about the belarusian national idea of ​​research, more than 200 interviews have already been recorded

. talking about the belarusian national idea is quite interesting because i consider belarusians to be an underestimated nation , underestimated first of all by ukrainians. that is, we often pay little attention to them, this is the second time they are capable of more and will to achieve more now well, somewhere uh, hmm, let's say about 10% of belarusians are abroad in emigration, they are currently our hope in order to convey some information to those who remained inside the belarusians inside this, you already know, bottles with nuclear filling and this is a very dangerous game because the bottle can break at any moment due to the short-sighted actions of lukashenka, well , this is the second factor a the first factor is the adventurous actions of the kremlin, and we must also be aware of this, so we must

counteract it as much as possible, we must interact with by the belarusian democratic forces in the matter of finding an answer to this question, and i am very surprised why the fact of placing, well, the fact or the fact of preparing for the placement of nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus did not provoke a reaction from the countries of the lublin triangle. why are we waiting? regional challenges what other regional challenge should be the nuclear mushroom that has already risen due to the explosion or what or i do not understand something in this matter regarding the belarusian nuclear - the belarusian national idea, then i think that it is very simple successful belarus without a democratic belarus there is no safe europe and this must be realized but there is another point as long as lukashenko exists and in the current situation and as long as he exists in the kremlin putin

can replace lukashenko in office only more pro-russian politicians i am telling you that i am qualified as an expert to talk about that that a group of belarusian volunteers can break in on dashing off-road vehicles and change everything in belarus, well, these are the scenarios at the moment, the probability of which is less than a statistical error. and why that is, they simply will not be able to do it physically, or even if they physically do it and break through, the belarusians will not follow them . abroad, i.e. lukashenko 2:0, he will only be lukashenko 2:0 , regardless of personality, this must be realized , realized as clearly as possible, and lukashenko is his own, in my opinion, the territorial guard, there

is the presidential security service and the kdb and forces of special operations and my belarusian colleagues emphasize that lukashenko pays much more attention to the development of his special services than to the belarusian army, so the belarusian army, well, this is a very relative factor of influence because it does not have any combat experience, but the belarusian special services are often related by blood in one way or another because of the persecution of the opposition, there are many different factors, and therefore they can fight with their opponents longer and more fiercely, and this is a fact that should be paid attention to, that is, they will fight with their opponents, well, that is if we talk about the army and their guards, which you said, they will put more effort into fighting their opponents , but all this talk about a possible attack there from the north from the side of belarus is impossible , you can forget about it. well, you understand that

if someone from the territory of ukraine will enter the territory of belarus, our position as a victim of the victim of russian aggression will significantly shake . it has already shaken after the raids of the russian volunteer corps and the legion of freedom of russia on the territory of belarus. of a critical nature, but certain remarks are already being heard there and are being heard now, so it is necessary to realize that, in fact, the situation is such that 20 seconds, because it is already time for the maidan, is good. lie on the surface and we will

. belarus and about russia well, i won't sum up the results of the ongoing voting, it should continue on youtube because, well, very few people voted 21 votes 14% believe that belarus is a nuclear weapon for defense 81% putin forced your option five percent and thank you all to those who voted and thank you to all those who watched on another youtube channel who watched us on the network where we are where we were not turned off well, what about this i have to say goodbye to you until next monday as always there will be new guests, new topics will be as always interesting and as always it will be interesting in to our future broadcast, which will be continued by me . a charming colleague, iryna koval, iro. i congratulate you on the word. thank you, yura. literally in a moment, about