[000:00:00;00] the swedes also follow the situation in ukraine very carefully, the swedish mass media, many have their correspondents in ukraine, and i want to say that the attitude in general in sweden has changed a lot in the last year, both regarding the war and sweden's accession in nato, because for the swedes it was a very painful issue, a country that had not fought for several centuries, and it was difficult for people to understand such consequences that a country that will perform security duties for the alliance, but in the swedish media now there are many publications that are very, very they carefully tell the readers what nato is and literally with infographics literally with pictures and graphs that show how

much countries pay for membership in the alliance and what is the number of armed forces, for example, the members of the alliance of russia and sweden, that is, they clearly show what is happening, what the risks may be, and so that people did they understand how it would affect their lives and the lives of sweden as a whole. well, it's no secret that in some european countries the topic of the russian-ukrainian war is used by politicians for some kind of internal strife or winning dividends or clarifying the relationship with sweden, what about this conversation about the country's membership in nato and the russian-ukrainian war, are there disagreements about this among the politicians there, do you know when the parliamentary elections were held in sweden and the topic of the security war and nato membership in alliance she was very sensitive, she was used in their rhetoric by various

swedish politicians, and even on the streets of gothenburg, i saw activists standing with placards protesting against sweden joining nato, but by the way, i not i saw that people passing by somehow paid attention to these activists. but now i read snakes and see the comments of various politicians. in general, most of sweden's political parties have reached a consensus and they are advocating joining nato. they see a threat in russia and they speak very clearly, i see that the left party and the party of the greens have a slightly different vision of this, but in general, the swedish parliament advocates for sweden to be a member of the alliance and how

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the sbu engrave your name on the pages of victory congratulations the usual tv channel espresso the usual presenter yuriy fizer the usual program the world during the war unusual time but i hope not i i'm sure that those who watch who likes to watch our program are already getting used to this new time and we've been on the air for three weeks at 1:10 p.m. do you remember this time as those who watch us online, at least where we haven't been turned off where you can watch us as well as those who watch on youtube , and you can watch us on youtube on two channels: the general

espresso channel and the special channel created for the sweet program during the war. will professionally answer my questions those questions on which is sometimes difficult for me and in the end for you to give an answer, they will. exactly, well, before introducing my first guest , and i would also like to do what i usually do at the beginning of each game, please whoever will watch us on youtube on a special channel created for the world during the war please like if you like the program dislike if you don't like the program although i am sure you will like the program and comment write all this is very important for us so that we know your comments in particular, so that we know your opinion and everything in general. it is important that our youtube program is promoted more and as many people as possible have

the opportunity to watch it, and one more thing that i always do at the beginning of the program is i am reporting that on youtube, on a special channel created for the world during the war, today we have a question for you, as always. today we ask you about the following: why does belarus have nuclear weapons, as always , there are three options for answers, the first is for defense the second was forced by putin and the third - your option, your option can be read in the comments, and after the program about youtube publishes it, you will be able to watch it. well, i am ready to introduce my first guest and move on to the first questions that i have specifically for him prepared by valery klochok, head of the center for public analytics, tower, political and economic expert pnev valery, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine , glory to the heroes, i congratulate you, friends, mr. valery , thank you for

joining. ukraine's membership in nato is ultimately our relationship with the nato headquarters in brussels with the nato member countries, since a summit will be held in vilnius on july 11 and 12, literally in three weeks, at which the fate of ukraine may or may not be decided, but that's what i want to say you understand, i understood that way, mr. valery. what at this nato summit, why did i understand from the statements that have been heard for the past two or three weeks that at this nato summit, we will not receive such an invitation to nato in freedom, i want to hear your explanation , why brussels, well, an invitation it does not mean introduction, we understand that after the invitation there will be some time, years may pass before we become a member of nato, why are brussels afraid of such a formal invitation for us to make one

, let me periodically and in view of what you draw conclusions that we will not receive an invitation , well statements, in particular, stoltenberg which he says that we will continue to support ukraine , but first we need to end the war, well, this and that. it is written there figuratively there on january 1, 24, ukraine enters the natka and it will be of this type, concretely formal, politically responsible. i think that this is a wrong interpretation because the statements are contradictory. but this is rather our interpretation. and i personally read all the reports that in fact the issue of ukraine's membership in nato has been resolved, and even the nato adviser spoke about it literally. a week

ago, she clearly stated that this is not being discussed, that ukraine will be an issue. i would just like to hear you talk about the dates when we will already become a member of nato. no, i am talking about this formal invitation, but they speak, for example, at the nato summit and say , we are not just open to countries, but we are inviting ukraine to nato. that is how we submitted an application. no one. denies our entry friends well, i say it once again, this is our interpretation, because i see a lot of things now, betrayals, they say that all of ukraine is gone , ukraine will not be in nata, well, it's all not completely free in my opinion, it's not about treason, i just want you to clarify everything i am exactly the same i am current because i am only asking you a question, what do you think the viewer will better understand why exactly such a discussion arose well , he understands why it arose because we have a lot of

problems that need to be solved on the way to us the fact that joseph biden allegedly said there that we don't need ukraine to pass the pdc, and literally yesterday, when he was there the day before yesterday when he flew to philadelphia on a working visit, let him be asked such a question. he said no. no, it will be like everyone else , that is, ukraine will not be an exception in parts of the need to go through the formal procedure for compliance with nato standards in ukraine directly, that is, we will divide the military, the military component of our armed forces of ukraine, we are already approaching there. are they conducting military operations? is it by the standards of even the armed forces of ukraine, as it was there before the beginning of the large-scale invasion? and by the rules and standards of nato and even more so, we know that the top military leadership of ukraine planned these offensives with our western partners, this is common public information, therefore

, there is already coordination between the euro-atlantic alliance and ukraine, that is, we are doing it in practice, as it relates to other necessary things that need to be reformed in our army , this process will definitely go through some, but not only this, there is the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine, the ministry of defense is another, which should act not just on formal grounds according to nato standards, it is practical, that is why i think that biden was very categorical, that is why when he said that there will be no exception and ukraine will have to go through this path in order to fully respond, now with regard to the vilnius site, we expect that at the vienna summit just about to be signed, some kind of protocol is invited, we are not invited, he emphasizes once again, ukraine has submitted an application, no one objects to it , the only thing that will be determined is, i think, a document in which security guarantees will be spelled out before

ukraine joins nato, and ukraine joins 115 nato after the end of the war but that's the first moment again. we don't understand when the war will end. nobody knows right now. it could end tomorrow. it could end in a year. it's possible in two. this is the first moment . it is also politically important to join the alliance, because there are certainly many problems in ukraine , and i emphasize once again. this is what the western opponents are telling us, bring order within yourself even in war conditions, but you can force it to bring order, so no one puts it under the doubt of 2016, the rhetoric will be completely different in our country with a civilian website and the main issue that will be considered is really the provision of sufficient aid by all members of the alliance to ukraine, and what will be accepted in ukraine well, let's remember the munich security conference that was held at the beginning of this year already then and even that earlier

last year, when the director of the munich security conference, houzin, spoke together with the president of germany, steinmeier , somehow it was one day. yes, the difference is one day will hold their press conferences and steinmeier's address. i also mean, well, i call such a figurative address to the press to the citizens of germany, they clearly testified that now no one questions the european union as it was before. yes, in 2022 , the need for ukraine to join the nato, but this is the same story, the formalization of the bureau , capitalization, compliance, everything else, it is even read in the final resolution of the european parliament adopted last week, where there was an appeal to ukraine by the members of the alliance about the necessary accession of ukraine, yes, that acceptance but the political start of negotiations simply to ukraine to the european union after the war, the reconstruction of ukraine in parallel with the reforms. that is, they do not divide it, well , these are normal things, so when really we

read some insiders about what biden said , everything will be simplified, well, it pleased us, yes but they turn out to be so simple. that's why it is necessary and i think that everything is normal, it is necessary to work on the contrary, i will tell you frankly that i am even happy that there will be a safe format , help will be provided, it will not stop it was especially revealing after the operator of the kakhovsky hpp, which the russians committed there, the help is coming more and more and more and more, along with that, they said we will help, but in any case, so that you understand that it will not be like it was, it must have melted to itself, that is, it is really, it is really good an impetus so that we ourselves also make our best efforts in order to help them accept us to themselves in this case to show her once again that we are ready this is really very very well said

and p valery let's now walk a little about these peace plans initiatives let's call a spade a spade on the peace initiatives blinken the secretary of state of the united states of america went to china, he already met today even with sydzenpin , they talked about ukraine, what was agreed there , so far there are no details, but it is obvious that his main goal was this american-chinese relations, although there is an improvement in these relations because yesterday the minister of foreign affairs of the chinese people's republic of china said that relations with washington are at the lowest level since the foundation of diplomatic relations between these two countries. obviously, this was their main topic. ukraine, they talked about ukraine. tell me, please . how long have we been talking about this chinese peace initiative, and your professional attitude to this chinese peace initiative. does she have the right to life or not? she lives, she just lives. she is alive, well, i wouldn’t like to raise or lower her role now. is

the significance purely from a diplomatic point of view, so that there are no manipulations according to my comments and according to your program, so it should be recorded here this moment is why did he appear, friends, this is a very important nuance, a meeting in general at a very high level between china in the state took place at the ball in november last year at the summit of the g20, where even putin was supposed to be, and instead of him, lavrovka came there . well, let's remember in what shorts back in the days when i was in my underwear and boiled, the one i am talking about commented on these events that were taking place, and then on the eve of this very important meeting , he met with fizipin and joseph biden, and for several hours they met in a closed format discussed something, and then satisfaction was reached about the restoration of their ties, the restoration of communications, the first such communication connection was supposed to be blinkin's visit to china in february of this year. why did it not take place, we know the bullet scandal , such a thing will not be told. who is following this? everything is fine there, but i emphasize in another

language that this visit was supposed to take place almost on the eve of the anniversary of the beginning of the large-scale invasion of russia into ukraine. and that's when the initiative china, which we call the so-called peace plan since 12 years, i think and i do not rule out that joseph biden everyone made a preliminary agreement somewhere that this document could be joint, but you have to understand that china still defends its own interest on the eurasian continent, not the american one. that is, it is normal competition political, economic and strategic , so the visit of anthony blinken , i emphasize once again, was thwarted, in my opinion, deliberately by the chinese, at the beginning of february 2023, and at 11:00 p.m. and on february 24, the general assembly of the organization of nations was held near them, in fact this plan was announced, it was announced the day before this, of course, but all those events are very, very connected. and it was from this

moment that such a dialogue between the leaders of these two countries began, because joseph biden , the principle and well, he did not really condemn this incident with with chinese bullets, he rather carefully commented on everything, understanding the need to restore communication links that would ensure the solution of three key issues that currently exist in the relations between china and the united states of america . the first is the economic competition about which says a lot which should not lead to de-escalation in the world to escalation i apologize for the second question - this is of course a question for taiwan about taiwan, there are a lot of speculations , you just need to understand one thing that the usa also does not stand for the independence of taiwan, they stand for the democratic system of taiwan, which in their in our understanding , it would be very useful if it were extended to all of china, that is, no one questions the integrity of china, neither ukraine nor china nor

the united states of america and even in the organization of the united nations because taiwan for example, the country is not a member. that is, there is a problem in this conflict and others, and of course ukraine. ukraine is also a third issue because the mentioned new so-called peace plan separate from china, separate initiatives of the united states of america, which, to a large extent, took into account the zelenskyi peace formula it was voiced on ivan among the un, and now, after the difficult times for russia , which it received as a result of the strong opposition of ukraine due to the weakening of the economy, etc. , china has really come to a position of readiness, which did not depend on it for large measures of negotiations with the united states of america why to solve these three issues, the ukrainian issue it will be resolved precisely in the context of russia because it is difficult to understand that china has recently

conducted its foreign policy quite wisely and is building relations with russia we hear a lot about strategic of the protest. although it doesn't seem to me to be there, i ask, now he is actively using the russian economic and political crisis that is present in russia precisely to increase his influence on the asian continent . well, the forum that was held, and in fact the eve of the league of arab states and the big seven in hiroshima, the seven in hiroshima is the china central asia summit, he met with representatives of the countries of the post-soviet space, which are often called in russia the backyard of russia, thus showing and demonstrating his influence on kazakhstan , tajikistan, uzbekistan, and forming the chinese agenda in this region , not the russian agenda, so i think that it is very good that these meetings are happening now. we

finally passed, you know, combifurcation which began precisely with the summit of the g20 in november of last year, where joseph bidensations met, pin wants informal but had the issue of reaching an agreement, and it was not by chance that the united states of america appealed very frankly and openly to china with proposals for such meetings , let's recall an interesting interview of a former state secretary of the united states henrique sanjar, where he spoke about the need to restore relations between the united states and china as a necessary condition of security for the whole world. therefore, all these events that are currently happening around the figure anthony blinken, in my opinion, he is such a missionary, but now the softening of the confrontation between these two powerful countries can be the beginning of a completely new history for the world, and i have very high hopes for it. initiative, if you compare it

with the chinese initiative, it differs in many economic issues, precisely because the countries of africa are interested in the uninterrupted supply of food to their continent, and in your professional opinion, here it is this initiative if you compare it with china. well, i will not compare it because you have already said that you have certain hopes for this chinese initiative, but if you compare this african initiative, can it also be some kind of additional leverage on moscow i think that the african peace plan, which no one has seen because it does not exist in nature, it must be said that there is no document, but in general there are only statements that were recorded in the router, all other publications contain statements that were made after the visit of the leaders of four african countries by the way, they all volunteered, the african five did not go to ukraine, to russia , you are serious about such a participation three times in terms of whether he correctly took the position of the president

of the south african republic or not. once again are virtual, this is a russian idea, exclusively russian , and it was aimed at setting the tone for the future conversation on the international arena. there is a meeting of the leaders of four african countries with putin, and on the same day the so-called st. petersburg international economic forum takes place , which was actually a failure, there was only one high-ranking representative from algeria, there was no president, not even the president of the united arab emirates, he actually ran away from there. well, he went because they felt well, it is unacceptable that russia, when these events are taking place, and the leaders of the african countries are in kyiv, and the missile launch is taking place

shelling a lot of things putin actually showed in this way that he can still try to influence something there with the help of africa, not all of it, but no. this story is not about china. this story is not against the united states of america. i mean the leaders of african countries. this was an exclusively russian story. moreover, the russian mass media very actively demonstrated the interesting , interesting in quotes, of course, putin's comment where he said that they did not abduct ukrainian children from the territory of ukraine, they did not take them out. he said that this was a so-called type of peace evacuation, evacuation, it was necessary, it was a humanitarian mission. and now let's remember that one of the points of the african so-called peace plan was informally, but still talked about recalling putin's warrant, what was the decision about which was adopted precisely because of the abduction of children from ukraine, that is, it is absolutely obvious on the surface that today putin is still trying with the help of countries under his control to somehow work out the possibility

of lifting sanctions on russia there, returning ukraine to the beginnings of peace negotiations, and so on another thing, and when we remember, we started to know with you, there is even stoneenberg talking about the fact that ukraine will go to negotiations with russia, but after the offensive, where it will form completely different negotiating positions and will demand more from putin than he even expects. then putin understands this clearly realizes that all the actions he has taken in ukraine are falling on him today, even with small forces , but the armed forces of ukraine are carrying out successful offensive actions in the south, this is a confirmation of the ministry of defense and him the chair under him is completely knocked out, he can’t sit now and he doesn’t understand, and all his actions are aimed exclusively at somehow influencing the international community and trying out certain preferences for himself, but in my opinion, this is all a completely

unsuccessful story, he is already eh played his time and uh, in this context the contacts between the usa and china are very key, because there is no strategic partnership between the usa, china and russia today, the chinese is demonstrating this way, he is demonstrating putin that either you will do as we tell you or it will be your way not will or you simply will not lead this country, which is still called russia. well, he won't be. i really hope to lead this country in the near future, and after all, i would like the country as such in its current state with such a name to not exist that this stool is making a lot of effort now and that this stool that you said should be knocked out from under him as soon as possible p valery thank you very much for participating in the sweet program during the war thank you for your professional comments valery klychok head of

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