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program the world during the war unusual time but i hope not i am sure that those who who likes to watch our program is already getting used to this new time, and we have been on the air for three weeks at 1:10 p.m. remember this time, as those who watch us online , at least where we have not been turned off, we can those who watch on youtube can also watch it on youtube, and you can watch us on youtube on two channels, the general espresso channel and the special channel created for the sweet program during the war. well, today i will have guests with their expertise, as always, and they will answer my questions professionally the questions to which it is sometimes difficult for me and ultimately you to answer them

, they will. youtube on a special channel created for the world during the war please put your likes if you like the program put dislikes if you don't like the program although i am sure you will like the program and comment write all this is very important for us so that we know in particular your comments for so that we know your opinion and everything in general. it is important that youtube promotes our program more and that as many people as possible have the opportunity to watch it, and one more thing that i always do at the beginning of the program is, er, inform about the fact that on youtube on a special channel created for the world during the war, today we have a question for you, as always. today we ask you about the following: why does belarus have nuclear weapons, as always, there are three options for answers: the first is for protection, the second was forced by putin and the third is your

option, your option is possible will read in the comments, and after the outube program publishes it, you will be able to see your option. well, i am ready to introduce my first guest and go to the first questions that i have prepared for him valery klochok, head of the center of public analytics, tower, political and economic expert, mr. valery. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. greetings , friends , mr. valery. thank you for joining. nato in brussels with the nato member countries, because literally in three weeks in vilnius on july 11 and 12 , a summit will be held at which the fate of ukraine may or may not be decided, but this is what i want to talk to you about today, i understand i understood, valery what at this nato summit, why did i understand from the statements

that have been heard over the past two or three weeks that at this nato summit in vilnius we will not receive such an invitation to nato, i want to hear your explanation of why in brussels, well, an invitation does not mean an introduction we understand that after the invitation there will be some time, years may pass before we become a member of nato, why are brussels afraid to make such a formal invitation to us ? allow me periodically, and in view of what you draw conclusions that we will not receive an invitation well, the statements of stoltenberg in particular, who says that we will continue to support ukraine, but first we need to end the war, so and so. it is written there figuratively

there on january 1, 24, ukraine joins us and everything will be like this concrete formal political responsible i think this is a wrong interpretation because the statements although contradictory yes in terms of that and will ukraine be a member of nato will not happen, but this is rather our interpretation. and i personally read all the reports that in fact the question of ukraine's membership in nato has been resolved and even the advisor of the nato nsc spoke about it literally. a week ago, she clearly stated that this is not being discussed, ukraine will be a question, they wrote i just would like to hear you talk about the dates when we will already become a member of nato. no, i think that this is a normal invitation , but they speak, for example, at the nato summit and say: we are not just a country , but we are inviting ukraine to nato. yes we submitted an application. no one objects to our entry, friends. well, i say it once again, this is our

interpretation, because i see a lot of things now, betrayals, they say that all of ukraine is gone. i just clarified and i am updating why i am asking you such a question , a viewer who thinks like this will better understand why exactly such a discussion arose. well, he will understand why it arose, because we have a lot of problems that need to be solved on the way to joining us three days ago axios publishes information about what allegedly joseph biden said there that we don't need ukraine to pass the pdc, and literally yesterday when he was there the day before yesterday, when he flew to philadelphia on a working visit , he was asked such a question. he said no, no, it will be like everyone else, that is, ukraine will not be an exception in terms of the need to the form of the procedure for compliance with nato standards in ukraine directly, that is , we will divide the military component of our

armed forces of ukraine. yes, for almost a year, our military have been training in nato countries and are now even conducting military operations. is it true that according to the standards of even the armed forces of ukraine, it was there before the beginning of a large-scale invasion? and according to nato rules and standards , and even more so, we know that the top military leadership of ukraine these offensives were planned with our western partners, this is generally known public information, therefore, here the coordination of the euro-atlantic alliance and ukraine is already there, that is, we do it in practice, as regards other necessary things that need to be reformed in our army, this process will definitely go through some, but not only this is the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine, the ministry of defense is something else that should act not just on formal grounds in accordance with nato standards, it is

practical, that's why i think that is very bad, he was so categorical when he said that there will be no exception, and yet ukraine must go through this path in order to be fully responsible. now regarding the vilnius site, we expect that at the vinnytsia summit as soon as some protocol will be signed , they are inviting us. moment we don't understand when the war will end, no one knows right now . it may end tomorrow, it may end in a year, maybe in two. this is the first moment. political to join the alliance, because there are certainly many problems in ukraine, i emphasize once again. this is what

the western opponents are telling us, bring order within yourself even in war conditions, but you can force it to bring order, so no one questions the 14th nato's rhetoric will be completely different in our country with a civilian website and the main issue that will be considered is the provision of sufficient aid to ukraine by all members of the alliance, and what will be accepted in ukraine well, let's remember the munich the security conference that was held at the beginning of this year already then and even earlier last year when the director of the munich security conference hozzi spoke together with the president of germany steinmeier somehow it was one day yes, it is a difference in one day, we did not hold our press -conferences and steinmeier's address. i also mean, well, i call it figurative, yes, such an address to the press to the citizens of germany, they clearly testified that now no one

questions the european union as it was before. in 2022, the need for ukraine to join nato, but this is the same story, the formalization of the bureau, capitalization, compliance, everything else , it is even read in the final resolution of the european parliament adopted last week, where there was an appeal to ukraine by members of the alliance about the need for ukraine to join the date of adoption, but the beginning of negotiations is political simply to ukraine to the european union after the war reconstruction of ukraine in parallel with the reforms that is, they do not divide it, well , these are normal things, so when are we really there read some insiders about what biden said that everything will be simplified, well, it pleased us, yes, but they turn out to be so simple. that is why it is necessary and i think that everything is normal, it is necessary to work on the contrary, i will tell you frankly, i am even pleased that there will be a safe format , help will be provided it does not stop, especially after the operation of the kakhovsky hydroelectric power station, which the russians did there , the help is increasing more and more and more and more, along with that, they said

we will help, but in any case, so that you understand that it will not be like it was, apparently tala to herself, that is, this really is a really good impetus for us to also make our best efforts in order to help them accept us in this case , to show her once again to demonstrate that we are ready . now let's talk a little bit about these peace plans initiatives let's call a spade a spade peace initiatives blinken the secretary of state of the united states of america went to china already met today even with xiijenpin they talked about ukraine, what was agreed there so far, there are no details, but it is clear that his main goal was to improve american-chinese relations , because yesterday the minister of foreign affairs of the chinese people's republic of china said that relations with washington are at the lowest level and the establishment

of diplomatic relations between these two countries . obviously, this was their main topic. ukraine , they talked about ukraine. tell me, please . how long have we been talking about this chinese peace initiative and your professional attitude of this chinese peace initiative. does she have the right to life or not ? she lives, she just lives, she exists. well, i wouldn’t like to promote her or lower her role right now. is the meaning purely from a diplomatic point of view, so that there are no manipulations based on my comments and your program that is why it is necessary to record this moment here. why did he appear, friends, this is a very important nuance. in general, the meeting at a very high level between china in the state took place at the ball in november last year at the g20 summit, where there was even supposed to be and putin, instead of him, lavrovka came there. well, let's remember how in shorts in the days in underpants and boiled water, the one i speak there commented on these

events that were taking place, and then, on the eve of this very important meeting , joseph biden and physipia met and they discussed for several hours in a closed format something, and then satisfaction was reached about the restoration of their ties, the restoration of communications, the first such communication connection was supposed to be blinkin's visit to china in february of this year. why it did not take place, we know the bullet scandal this is not going to be retold. whoever follows this is fine, but i emphasize in another language that this visit was supposed to take place almost on the eve of the anniversary of the beginning of the large-scale invasion of russia into ukraine. for 12 years, i think and i do not rule out that joseph biden everyone had a preliminary agreement somewhere that this document could be joint, but it must be understood that china still defends its own

interest on the eurasian continent and not american, that is, it is a normal competition, political, economic and strategic, so the visit of anthony blinken , i emphasize once again, was deliberately thwarted by the chinese at the beginning of february 2023, and at 11:00 p.m. and on february 24, the general assembly of the organization of nations was held near them, where in fact this plan was it was voiced, it was voiced on the eve of this, of course, but all those events are very, very connected. and it was from this moment that such a dialogue between the leaders of these two countries began, because joseph biden , the principle and well, he did not really condemn it the incident with chinese bullets, he commented on everything quite cautiously, understanding the need to restore communication links that would ensure the solution of three key problems that currently exist in the relations between china and the united states of america . the first is economic competition , which is talked about a lot and should not lead

to de-escalation in the world to escalation i apologize for the second question - this is, of course, a question for taiwan about taiwan, there are a lot of speculations , you just need to understand one thing that the usa also does not stand for the independence of taiwan, they are in favor of a democratic system in taiwan, which in their opinion would be very useful in ours, i would be extended to the whole of china, that is, no one questions the integrity of china , neither ukraine, nor china, nor the united states of america, nor even in the organization of the united nations, because taiwan, for example is not a country and a member. that is, there is a problem in this conflict and others, and of course ukraine . which took into account mir zelenskyi's formula to a great extent, it was voiced at ivan among it, the un, and now, after the difficult

times for russia, which it received as a result of the strong opposition of ukraine, from the weakening of the economy, etc., china has really come out positions of readiness that did not depend on him large measures of negotiations with the united states of america why to solve these three questions the ukrainian question it will be solved precisely in the context of russia because, well, it is difficult not to understand what china has been doing quite wisely lately builds foreign policy and relations with russia. we hear a lot about the strategic protest. although i don't think it is there, i ask. it is now actively using the russian economic and political crisis that is present in russia precisely to increase its influence on the asian continent. well, the forum that was held, and in fact, on the eve of the holding, it was to the league of arab states and itself and the big seven in

hiroshima, the seven in hiroshima is the china central asia summit, he met with representatives of the country of the post-soviet space, which is often called in russia the backyard of russia, in this way showing and demonstrating its influence on kazakhstan, tajikistan, uzbekistan and shaping the chinese agenda in this region, not the russian one, so i think that it is very good that these meetings are happening now. you know the combifurcation that started with the summit of the g20 in november of last year, where joseph biden's sisyphus wanted to meet informally, but had questions of achievement agreements and it is no coincidence that the united states appealed very frankly and openly to china with proposals for such meetings, let's recall an interesting interview of the former us secretary of state henry isiger, where he spoke about the need to restore

relations between the us and china as a necessary condition of security for the whole world. therefore, all these the events that are currently taking place around the figure of anthony blinken, he seems to me to be such a missionary, so now the softening of the confrontation between these two powerful countries can be the beginning in general of the latest history for the world and i have very high hopes for it. well, let's hope very much . africa is precisely interested in the uninterrupted supply of food to their continent, and in your expert opinion , this is exactly the initiative if you compare it with china. well, i will not compare it, because you have already said that you rely on certain hopes for this chinese initiative, but if we compare this african initiative, can it also be

some kind of additional leverage on moscow? i think that the african peace plan, which no one has seen because it does not exist in nature, it must be said that there is no document, but in general there is only the statements that were recorded in the router, all other publications have statements that were made following the results of the visit of the leaders of four african countries , they all volunteered, by the way, the african five did not go to ukraine, to russia, you have such a participation, serious wear and tear in part of that did well take the position of the president of the south african republic correctly or not ? and i think that this is the so-called peaceful mr. peaceful initiatives. which are once again virtual , this is a russian idea, exclusively russian, and it was aimed at setting the tone for the future conversation at the international it is not by chance that anthony blinkin's visit to china coincided with the meeting of the leaders of four african countries with putin on the eve of the meeting, and on the same days

the so-called st. petersburg international economic forum, which actually was a failure, there was only one high-ranking representative of algeria, there was no president, not even the president of the united arab emirates , he actually fled from there. well, he left because they were . well, it is unacceptable that russia, when this event is taking place, and african leaders are, well, among the leaders of african countries are in kyiv and there is a missile attack on a lot of things. in fact , in this way, putin has shown that he can still try to influence something there with the help of africa, not all of it, but no. this the story is not about china . this story is not against the united states of america. i mean the denial of the african countries. this would be an exclusively russian story. moreover, the russian media very actively demonstrated the interesting, interesting in quotes, of course, putin's comment where he said that they did not kidnap ukrainian children from the territory of ukraine was not taken out. he said

that it was a so-called evacuation peace , evacuation was necessary , it was a humanitarian mission. the recall of putin's warrant, what was the decision about which was adopted precisely because of the abduction of children from ukraine , that is, it is absolutely not obvious on the surface that today putin is still trying with the help of countries under his control to somehow work out the possibility of lifting sanctions on russia , returning ukraine to the past peace negotiations and so on, and when we remember that we started to know with you, there is even stoneenberg talking about the fact that ukraine will enter into negotiations with russia, but after the offensive it will not form completely different positions negotiable and will demand more from putin than he even expects. then he understands this. putin clearly realizes that all the actions

he has taken in and to ukraine are falling on him today, even with small forces , but the armed forces of ukraine are carrying out successful offensive actions in the south. confirmation of the ministry of defense and the chair under him is absolutely knocked out, he cannot sit now and all his actions are aimed exclusively at somehow influencing the international community and airing certain preferences for himself, but how to me, this is all a completely failed story, he has already served his time and , in this context, the contacts between the usa and china are very key , because there is no strategic partnership between the usa, china and russia, today the chinese is demonstrating this way, he is demonstrating putin, what are you going to do? as we will tell you, either it will happen and it won't happen your way, or you simply won't lead this country, which is still called russia. well, he won't be. i really hope to lead this

country in the near future, and in the end, i would like to and the country as such in its current condition with such a name and it was not that this stool is making a lot of effort now and that this stool that you said should fall out from under him as soon as possible mr. valeriy thank you very much for participating in the sweet program during the war thank you for your professional comments valery klochok, head of the center for public analytics, tower, political and economic expert well, according to the rules of television, we are forced to take a short advertising break now, but we will be back literally in three minutes, do not switch andriy yanitskyi keeps the economy under control, yes, it is about economic news on the espresso channel, but it is not about dry numbers and clear terms , it is about the economy, it is accessible, about the ability to analyze, forecast and profit, about what the exchange rates of salaries and pensions will be, and how

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the next block of questions and problems, i want to say that due to some technical features, we currently do not have a problem broadcasts on a special channel on youtube , but you can vote there now very few people vote there eh but they vote the question we asked you why does belarus have nuclear weapons three options for defense so far only 14% think so putin forced 81% think well and 5% have their own version , but despite the fact that it does not have a broadcast on a special channel of the world during the war, there is a broadcast on the general espresso channel on youtube. i didn't turn it off

i hope that yevhen was not dispersed immediately, i read it in