[000:00:00;00] standards, all the more so in the conditions of the largest war in the world at the moment, and this requirement. it should show that nato is expanding. witness, that is , the united states does not want to create a situation in which , in fact, i would say there will be a situation when ukraine is accepted into nato only by the principle that we act to the detriment of putin, i think this is not quite

the case, there are no such questions at the moment, but, accordingly, we must be a conscious member of the north atlantic alliance, which is equal to all others, therefore, in this very context, there cannot be a situation when nato's fifth article on collective security does not work in relation to ukraine as some of our high-ranking officials suggested that you accept us but say that nato's fifth article does not work unfortunately, this cannot be the case, it will undermine the positions of the representatives of the north atlantic alliance that biden has in relation to ukraine the scale of the perspective and he cannot afford to pretend that he does not know where it is on the map, therefore he will act as actively as possible and take

steps aimed at increasing the chances of ukraine becoming a member of the north atlantic accordingly, i would like to remind the alliance that next year the nato summit will be held in washington and in november next year there will be presidential elections in which joseph biden plans to take part . ukraine's accession to nato corresponds to the interests of the united states by the middle of 2024, there may still be such a situation, but we must not forget that our relations with

the north atlantic alliance are very similar a tale of lost time and today we should not complain about biden, which he is not good at, should not ask him biden why we are not in nato, but we should take measures to demonstrate the internal strength of our state because the war continues and regardless of what guarantees we receive , we must be certain that we are successful in a lot of things and we can see it and let's not forget that the strongest army in europe, which at the moment has become ukrainian , it causes not only admiration, it also causes concern for some because

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monday on fridays at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 p.m. worldview continues with yevhen mati and oleksandr paliy and we talk about why ukraine is not in nato or a part or part of nato. i remember all these, this infantile political president zelenskyi's infantile statement regarding the start of a full-scale invasion that biden, why aren't we in nato , just like you know, i used to be friends with alcoholics somewhere there , i didn't go to school, and i need to get twos and threes, and he says why i'm not at the university, well, it's in in principle, the same story, but this political immaturity remains because for some reason everyone believes that in our country we should somehow, you know , take a little sick person somewhere and that’s it. let him be there. let’s protect him and not be misunderstood. olexander, i turned to you, i want you to very briefly remind our viewers why we are not in nato, and it is possible to remind those votes, those key decisions or lack of decisions by ukrainian

politics, first of all, and the verkhovna rada , i will remind the verkhovna rada elected by ukrainian citizens, which ignored in general the prospects of the movement towards the north atlantic alliance, perhaps the president was also ignored because everyone always talks about the bukharet themselves in 2008 and say that well then merkel then bush putin then said that george is ukrainian even not the state and so on. and they didn’t take us. well, here we have to look at our own responsibility, so if you can briefly but in essence why or for what reasons, own reasons or own lack of certain decisions , ukraine is not in nato, please, reasons in because we had a genocidal political elite that looted the country for decades , people cheered for one team or another, sometimes even for a pro-russian team, many people voted for pro-russian politicians, and thus bringing the country under a huge

threat, i remember that 17% of ukraine advocated joining nato too much. and it was long enough 17-18-21 and so on and so on. that is, it was very difficult to convince our people, and the reason. by the way, because people did not know the history, they simply did not know the history of who russia is and what russia is like this because russia is not at all what they say and tell about themselves, in fact, everything is different, radically different . there is something er, some er, to put the economic benefits in your pocket and think that nothing has ended, please look now in the donbass at the results of all this in the territory of the city of bakhmut, and here is also mariupol and at

the factory in bakhmut and mariupol about the results of economic cooperation. i think that these politicians have already looked at it. and that it is possible that some people only understood something late. and, well, people too. well , you understand the citizens. i don't think they didn't know this, because in principle, citizens everywhere is they form a general picture for them, the responsible political elite and all other elites in our country, this responsible elite was just being born , then it had no resources, then it could not reach out, then there were very few of them, and so on. in other words, the instinct of self-preservation should have worked a little better a-a, back then, in the 20s. therefore, the most important thing was to understand the morality

of the situation, too, because it was necessary to understand the difference between morally russia and morally normal states, that is, in our country it was like that too let's just say indifference to such moral issues when we looked at russia. how did she commit her crimes there, in chechnya, then in georgia, then somewhere else ? well, it was murder abroad. people needed to brainwash themselves a little and understand who you are with. you are dealing with thieves, natural a-a so uh and uh, that is why the main responsibility is of course those who were in high positions, who were called the political elite, and who got out there and did not meet those conditions and requirements. by the way , the responsibility for yushchenka from tymoshenko is huge responsibility because they

ukraine's absolutely clear chance to join nato after 2005 was cynically cynically and senselessly, and criminally , i would say, but they started quarreling over some petty trifle, for some of their corrupt interests and the most important vital interest of the country. "when talking about fukals, this is a way to say culturally, and oh, i'll remind you because one of our people is just a replica, because i remember how a journalist came to boryspil airport when the ukrainian delegation returned from russia and brought us this famous or the infamous head of ukrenergo, and then they asked the head of naftogaz in my opinion or who they say and what will be the price of gas for rossokrenergo and he says i remember who this was then it was this head of naftogaz, an associate of yushchenko, he was called the cherry tree mercedes like how ivchenko ivchenko ivchenko oleksiy kuvchenko, alyosha mercedes, because he bought an armored mercedes there, and then he said that it is not important to us how much

rusokrenergo of russia buys gas for, we only care how much it sells it to us, that is, the corruption component was already so hidden from the audience. i know that at that time there were completely different interests, what you say, mr. oleksandr, about the corruption moments, they were unfortunate then and it resulted in the fact that we are not in nato now, please finish because i snatched you away, well, that is, the current situation in principle, several times in the early 2000s and in the 90s, it turned out well for us, for example, in the early 90s, when kuchma, uh , kravchuk had already died, and uh, well, kuchma is still alive , and in fact, he could not even have nuclear weapons surrendering and, er, postponing for some very long time there to negotiate nuclear weapons and the accession to nato and a lot of different things, there is nothing in them. no rivets to put for such a task. such an ambitious task, no desire to do it, no responsibility for it

. there was nothing for that. kuchma is a billionaire now , and everything is fine. walking, as mykhailo tkach showed, putting the country at risk of a colossal threat, including the use of foreign nuclear weapons, here are a few such cases . during this decade after the 14th year, unfortunately , we have not yet had such cases of rapid acceleration, e.e. accelerated movement towards nato, but now, in the near future, somewhere , god will somehow open this chance for us much more seriously, because as of now, we in the west of our country, we have in principle a favorable geopolitical environment, if we do not count hungary and transnistria

, and in general, a good geopolitical situation, which is fundamentally different from the situation that existed in ukraine in the 17th century, which was at the beginning 20th century and so on . now we see that well, what about you and the support of ukraine and sympathy for ukraine and the popularity of ukraine in the world ? the juncture will change our side and we will get a positive result on our cooperation with nato. the more we have to wait , by the way, they write about this in the comments, and why is yarmak a traitor, prove it, so first of all , no one is called a traitor the psychological position of the president is the position that he performs not these functions that

are not prescribed in the law on the president about who is the second person in the state before the prime minister and when the name is always written in front of everyone, well, it looks a bit strange, i think that it is surprising that people notice it. well, i also want to ask why a person from yanukovych's time who solved the legal issue let's say that mr. tatarov has enough questions, where is bakanov? well, that's why, once again, a person who defended ukraine from the first days, who was a colonel of the sbu, just talked about a possible outburst due to the release of the baynots, today he is behind bars for no apparent reason. colonel of the sbu, roman chervinskyi, therefore, there are many questions to these questions, we do not have answers, that is why we say that there are certain questions, and obviously these questions are also asked by our partners from abroad, and here i will remind you of one moment when the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, the commander-in-chief, arrived in connection with the invasion of britain. he was invited to british intelligence, then to a conversation with the head of intelligence in the office, when he really wanted to get to yarmak . the british didn't let him. that's why there are such and such moments that you need to have answers at

any time . - in any case, it is possible to live like this. no one says that it is possible to live like this . someone will be a gray cardinal. democracy then go to russia to unite with her a secret union and live and be happy then you are absolutely the same there ukrainian heroes abroad behind bars and here we have ukrainian heroes behind bars without any arguments so you what is the difference between you why are we at war with russia then the question well, but regarding why people have the instinct of self-preservation, on march 2, 2022, a survey will be conducted, 85% of ukrainians were in favor of ukraine joining nato, and already on march 23, 2023, that is, when the russians left kyiv and many cities of ukraine 82% of ukrainians have already been driven away for joining nato. so i kind of think that after the war there will probably already be 72% because there will be no russians on our territory .

this is not the 17% that you talked about. well, we had literally 10 minutes . i wrote a question, and then mr. yevgeny wrote a question, and then the question itself, mr. alexander. eu i hope that this is the case now it won't happen anymore, but can ukraine in this short time that is left to work out some maximum benefits for themselves from this july summit p yevgeny please i would like another small retort about what we have just now so eh i do not agree with the fact that we in the early 90s, everything could be exchanged for joining nato. at that time, the question of ukraine joining nato did not arise. at that time

, even the question of poland joining and other central european countries of the baltic countries barely made it. therefore, it was necessary to ask, it was necessary to ask, it had to be asked great approach but the fact is that we are hostages of centuries of our statelessness and our ukrainian ruling class was not formed in the ukrainian paradisism of thinking, we did not pass many mistakes, many lessons, as er, other our er neighboring states passed, this cannot be absolutized because countries with the absolutely continuous history of statehood on the european continent is not so much, but it must be taken into account, that is why we are actually now waging a war of independence. i think that this is true and the truth is bitter because this war began in the 31st year after the declaration independence and this war will prove ukraine's place on the political map of europe and the world. here i have no doubts about the nato summit

. it's simple here. i would advise volodymyr zelenskyi to declare right now that he is preparing for a trip to vilnius and that he intends to go to vilnius together with the minister of foreign affairs affairs , let's say, devote all the time to negotiations on strengthening ukraine's position. ukraine is now in such a situation that it is simply not possible to afford any public insults, public misunderstandings or something else, in my opinion of moral law that is why it must be taken into account we must work with it and it must be creatively implemented ukraine has no right to allow itself today to pass russian propaganda that we declare that you do not have nato this must be absolutely clear understanding and besides, ukrainian government officials

must now fulfill the constitutional norm on european and euro-atlantic integration , and in this context, i was honestly somewhat upset by the news from reuters that , according to the european union, ukraine has only fulfilled two seven points for starting negotiations with the european union, not for joining the eu, for starting negotiations, our government told us completely opposite things that we are about to translate the last pieces of paper and start negotiations direct dependence, the less the military and technical assistance of our allies, the more you can kill our defenders, and this is a very serious challenge, mr. oleksandr, now i have a question for you, if you have

time. did volodymyr zelenskyi fly to vilnius or did he come, you know, he will get there in principle from poland, it is not far to go, but right away the question is that mr. president says that he would not like to take part in a political spectacle, we already remember when he ignored the relevant meeting in london even before the beginning of the full-scale invasion, in my opinion, it was in london, and will there not be the same story now, and why is it important for zelensky to come to vilnius and take part, and with what to come, who can now add to it? they say trumps in the deck, please, trumps in the deck will be added. if suddenly our troops here will seriously push themselves into the court. most likely weapons, it should be understood uh , as for personal presence, of course uh and i believe that it should be done why because it will be very

such a dense communication of key leaders and dedicated to ukraine to generate of course it was not wrong despite even from predicted results of this summit. let's just say that we don't need to demonstrate anything to the world, we have already demonstrated everything that is needed, now we specifically need support from the west, including weapons of mines, first of all, probably with weapons , and i think that during the nato meeting, we will decide on everything good solutions because, well, just like that, nato cannot leave without good solutions for ukraine , so the summit in vilnius is geographically very close to us. in other words, our region actually says too much that no one has anywhere to imitate it will not be yes from the countries of eastern europe, on the contrary, they are being strengthened, including the doctrinal changes in the nato military doctrine, that they

will now defend every meter of territory there, and not just there , so to speak, to hold an umbrella over them of our territory is meant, that is why it is important for us to achieve the maximum, and this maximum can certainly be achieved through personal meetings. that is, it is not a place for some insults , for some there it is necessary to win everything to the maximum. i think that our diplomats, to be honest, they know it very well. i think kolib is a very qualified person, there are a lot of people there, the military leadership is diligent, including what changes are constantly in contact, and therefore we will wait for a good development of events. no one in the world should be afraid. er, the znakhov countries

, despite this statement about nuclear weapons, changed more when, after the ukrainian soldiers of the regional air defense demonstrated the ability to shoot down super-duper russian missiles, about which they filmed many cartoons for a very long time. ukraine actually rips off the mask from russia and its machinations , including from its weakness, we have here, well, literally, in a minute, i will ask a question and ask you to answer it. well, we understand why we need nato. although, on the other hand, it is important for us to fight back now and to make an enemy of one's territory literally minute by minute yevgeny and why do we need nato without ukraine, there is no integration project and actually, where is euro-atlantic or european integration , the largest country in europe without ukraine, there will be no

it is absolutely obvious. well, every project still strives for maximum expansion - this is obvious. this is to say that without a democratic belarus, there will also be no safe europe . a democratic belarus will also be integrated and moldova will cease to be neutral because our three states are now undergoing the process of completing the process of forming a political nation, they are also, if you will, on the bench of spare integration processes, and it depends on us how long we will be on this bench stay p oleksandr, your opinion why do i need nato? we need it too much in order not to fight on our territory defensively , and that is, for the americans, in order not to fight abroad for poland, yes, and for norway, for finland, now from ukraine, the baltics, for romania , for bulgaria

and they need ukraine to be a member of nato, and before that it gave such good kicks to russian imperialism that after that it couldn't attack anyone, it wouldn't be able to, you know what an interesting story happened in finland. they watched for a very long time in binoculars cannot see the russian troops there on the border, all the regular russian troops who were stationed near finland died already in ukraine, well, they have such a history . as a matter of fact, our interests coincide. thank you very much. oleksandr palii, a historian and er , political scientist, is yevgeny magda, executive director of the institute of world politics and mr. oleksandr, mr. yevhen, and writers who do everything else and write interesting works on historical and political topics, you know, in the end, i want to quote the words asks johnson, who celebrated his 59th birthday yesterday, a man who fundamentally influenced the course of the fighting, the course of history in general , the beginning of the great war, we remember his active help, he came to ukraine

first, he came first, he did not do everything, we had weapons, he supported us, he convinced us, and what this macron woke up i harassed them, i told them, friends, wake up, this is a war, let's fight instead of sending 400 helmets to ukraine and talk to putin at the kilometer table. yesterday, he gave his speech on his birthday . he said this about ukrainians, about ukraine think how much ukrainians could learn. if they were taught just a year ago, i am sure that the ukrainians will win. i know that they will win. they fight like lions for their families, for their country, and the russians do not. i know that putin will lose. these heroic soldiers are fighting for freedom for all of us they are fighting for peace and stability said boroz johnson and this is the answer to the question why should we be in nato, we should believe in it , we should do everything for it, but we should be responsible and meet nato standards not only in military terms, although we also need to achieve many more results here, but also in political and institutional

democratic terms, because nato is a community of democratic states and there should be no authoritarianism in ukraine, as well as corruption on such a huge scale or on certain scales, corruption is always and kept also so that you know, i say goodbye to you until the evening and now i will pass the word to my colleagues khrystyna parubiy next veteria with the press news khrystyna please i will tell you the word what is happening in the vacated huts and for what ukrainian prisoners in hungary, wait for the 14th on the clock, it's time to find out what is happening in ukraine and the world at this time, khrystyna parubiy is working in the studio. the enemy fired at kherson, a civilian resident of the city was killed by enemy strikes, the ambulance crew that was on its way to the call was also hit . the medical workers were not injured. this was reported head of the kherson ova, oleksandr