[000:00:00;00] because the political leadership says that there are no such signs that the weapons have not been deployed yet. but nevertheless, how does this background affect the possible termination of diplomatic relations with minsk , whether they will take this into account and whether it should be taken into account. well, as a formal excuse can be of course, but uh, well, just fine. are we breaking off diplomatic relations? are we not losing the tools of influence on belarus in this way? i understand that they are far from ideal here and we are, in principle, p yevgeny , in principle, they are these influences, now they are they is, as far as i know, at the middle level of performers because, as you know, the ambassador has now been recalled after the meeting between lukashenka and the popular ihor kyzim, he came to kyiv for consultations and it is unlikely that he will return to minsk, this is also information that is hardly

a secret, but that's all- the limited contingent of the ukrainian embassy, ​​i will allow myself to say so, continues to operate on the territory of belarus, continues to solve the issues of our citizens there, because trade between us currently has no cultural there are no contacts, that is, first of all, these are issues that concern our citizens. as far as i understand, there are tens of thousands on the territory of belarus, and they at least need consular protection, because without a ukrainian embassy, ​​they will simply be driven into belarusian citizenship quickly, at a run, this is without any doubts and it is good -e i just don't understand. and how, hmm, the break in diplomatic relations will affect the desire or unwillingness of russia to deploy nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus, it is somehow the opposite, if nuclear weapons

are deployed, can this be a reason after all, to break diplomatic relations because there will be a direct threat. it was already there, and on february 24 , russian troops entered from the territory of belarus, and for six months they shelled ukrainian territory from the territory of belarus. starting from october last year, these shellings stopped, this must also be understood. i would say would be different , what if tactical russian nuclear weapons are to be located on the territory of belarus. and this is already well, in my opinion, a fait accompli, that is, the question arises in which time continuum, judging by putin's statement to salmito nato in vilnius, these weapons will be placed there. and i, for example, did not see or hear. can you correct me if there was a consultation of the ministers of defense or foreign affairs of the lublin triangle of ukraine-lithuania, poland regarding nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus. i will remind

you that in july 20 year, i will create the lublin triangle in order to respond to security challenges, which may be more secure challenges than the presence of weapons of mass destruction on the territory of the country-region of the president of which these countries are self-proclaimed the region as a whole is not recognized as their own. what other challenges do we still need to have a nuclear mushroom or that i understood your position, thank you very much evgeny magda, candidate of political sciences, director of the institute of world politics, we talked about the prospect of severing diplomatic relations between kyiv and minsk against the background of possible accommodation of russian nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus, thank you very much this

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we will talk about nato purgatory or why they do not make special conditions for ukraine to join the north atlantic alliance and leave the same requirements that were relevant and for other countries that at one time or another became members of the north atlantic alliance well, i will leave it to our guests who will professionally comment on this issue and tell us more . pale historian, political scientist, they are also the author of a book about nato, which i remember reading 15 years ago , oleksandr . i congratulate you, i congratulate you. when the superficial council was running around with balls, it is not necessary for nato, but some political forces that positioned themselves as very patriotic voted precisely against ukraine being

uh , what was it about biden set such a condition that there will be no special conditions for ukraine and we should not expect that we will enter nato from some black entrance, we will enter the same as everyone else and must comply with all the procedures that must be followed in order to become a member full member of the north atlantic alliance, but before we start talking about this topic, i want you to comment on the statement of joseph biden that was made today has already scared many people. my friends and relatives say that now there will be a nuclear war. everything now means that you have to flee from ukraine. joseph biden said that the use of tactical nuclear weapons is what it is.

it is possible yes well what can be used by russia in this war tactical nuclear weapons i would like you today i was explaining to my wife i say yes well the statement of any politician is a political statement it has a certain purpose it does not always mean that so it can happen because you need to see why he made this statement and tried to somehow explain it and calm it down, but very often people do not understand what a political statement is, what is not a political statement, or is it not always what one or another politician says, it is so necessary and will happen, that's why i would like for you to express your opinion about why right now joseph biden said this mr. yevgeny i think there are a number of reasons for this , on the one hand, such a reason is that it is possible that the united states has received some intelligence about russia's preparation for relevant actions that may be

as a result yes, we have yes, yes, the video hung, so then i will ask mr. oleksandr palia, er, to join our conversation and comment on this issue of the use of nuclear weapons, why joseph baden made such a statement, why is it scary you know well, it doesn't scare you, why does it make you take such statements seriously, because we remember very well how in january 2020 joseph biden said that putin, uh, no, on february 19, he said that putin decided to attack ukraine and 24 in february, he attacked that, when biden says something, it must always be treated well, at least accordingly and responsibly, alexander , please, because russia is cornered , it has no way to restrain, well, let's say the whole restoration of world

justice, they have nothing no benefits essentially, there is nothing left but nuclear weapons, so history is developing for them in such a way that they have only one option to brandish these and nuclear weapons or, in the last resort, to use why, in the last resort, because it can be, including, problematic for russia itself , because the united states they have repeatedly made it clear that they will not react with the use of conventional weapons, at least we have heard it many times, they will use, well, they will react with the use of conventional weapons, that is, roughly speaking, tomahawk missiles russian targets on the territory of ukraine, and possibly not only if the escalation goes further, so you understand, vanyok, everyone there, putin does not feel sorry for the territory of ukraine if the russian army is there, even destroyed on the territory of ukraine, putin reacts only to

personal threats, if there are threats to him personally, to his bunker, then it's another story. we must understand that this is an absolutely anti-lyush government in russia and society in general is the same. so they don't have any absolutely moral er cautions. well , we've already seen this in many er cases and they talk about the fact that if there is no russia, then let there be no and the whole world , that is, that they will destroy everyone, but it must be said that in reality putin is a coward, and it can be seen from his uh, suitcases with shit, from his desks, from his bunker, and from of this quarantine, what kind of quarantine is he in, what does he subject those who come to him, come and so on, that is, if the threat to him is real, then

of course the use of nuclear weapons will decrease, his probability will decrease. the use of nuclear weapons has somewhat decreased due to the fact that the air defense equipment of ukraine, respectively, shoot down russian missiles weapons due to missiles decrease accordingly, and the probability that in the event of an explosion being shot down does not happen, it just happens , well, there is a small contamination of a couple of hectares there if such a nuclear missile is shot down in the air

, but in russia, well, there are other means of delivery tectonic nuclear weapons, including artillery, have not yet learned how to shoot them down, respectively. but, of course, this has its many different precautions and many problems for those who use it themselves , but they emphasize once again that it is possible to rule this out, we cannot will not give russia victory but it will be well, of course , the story of this war will be dramatic for us, in fact , then i also ask you to complete your opinion about well, the same question, why did biden say this, how should ukrainians react on the statement of the american president regarding the use of tactical nuclear weapons now the risk is quite high, the first is that the americans obviously have intelligence about the accumulation of explosives at the zaporizhia

npp, i think that this is one of the reasons, the second is that it actually happened an artificial ecological disaster at the kakhovsky hpp and in fact we had a place we were dealing with an actual nuclear explosion without the use of a nuclear charge and this well very i think the most telling moment in this in this case the third is some uh it is assumed that this is connected with the visit of anthony blinkin to beijing , and this is, they say, a signal to start conducting negotiations, somehow introduce a certain uh well, i don't know the component of uh reconciliation for ukraine, but i don't

think that it is likely scenario well, the fourth thing is that the united states in this way emphasizes the fact that russia is criminal, russia acts with criminal methods and this should be resisted as much as possible. uhu. by the way, i will not ask about the visit and the results of blinken's visit to china. i will talk about it my colleagues, because i want to talk in more detail about nato and the chances of ukraine getting membership in the north atlantic alliance. explain more to our viewers. why did jose v. biden make such an unexpected, sharp, but not so mature statement about ukraine's chances somehow differently than all the others? countries to join nato, e.e. about blinkin's visit to china, one can only repeat the words of joseph biden, who said that blinkin did a good job and the result, in principle, is very positive for ukraine as well

and negative for russia, which was actually brought out in parentheses in a conversation between two world leaders who agree to come to an agreement and somehow peacefully coexist in this difficult world . well, now about nato, i will quote a statement made by bidde at andrews air force base near washington. he said yes, can ukraine or does it plan to he will facilitate ukraine's accession to nato the american president said no and explained no because they i mean we ukrainians have to meet the same standards so i'm not going to make it easier i think they did everything to demonstrate the ability to of military coordination, but there is a whole problem. is their system safe, is it not corrupt, does it meet all the standards that every other nato country meets? i think that it will meet. i think that it can meet , but it is not automatically said by joseph biden and oleksandr. please tell me which ones exactly threats, risks and non-standards are already spoken by biden and who exactly and you know what he actually said to the ukrainian authorities

, giving such an answer to the dreams of individual politicians that we will somehow become like this once and for all by nato members a-a i think the answer is that the united states is not immediately ready to extend nato's security guarantees on the territory of ukraine, well, this is actually the expected story, there is nothing new here a-a and he says that let's wait let's figure out this issue of non-standards in ukraine, this is a question of the readiness of the united states directly in this situation to intervene proactively and seriously in our security , it is meant with nato guarantees or at least commensurate guarantees that nato will receive . therefore, this is not a question of reforms.

laska does anyone think that hungary has any better reforms than ukraine or there? well, some countries, for example, the balkan peninsula and so on, maybe albania and so on. therefore, this is actually a question of what in the 90s and 2000s when someone was told that he wrote his book, it was called why ukraine is nato, then ukrainian politicians, even those who are now running around with the words nato , at that time they only smiled and when i talk about the fact that ukraine should join nato, they did not say which nato so that's what it is then, and this chance was lost, and now ukraine for this, for the fact that we had such a post genocidal leadership, and ukraine is paying a very heavy price for this in blood, so the question here is not in our standards, of course, but in the fact that

the united the states understand that in this case , it will be necessary to use highly risky tools, perhaps not immediately. in the event of nato expansion, therefore, the americans they say yes, we give you all the means and which ones do you want, maybe not so quickly, yes, slowly, yes, but we do. so, you are already there, you are all dealing with it yourself, and then when you deal with the russian occupiers, at least on your territory, yes, when they will

they receive such a huge a-a on pizza er-er how do they say it in russian ampliuhhu yes and then we er-er over there in russia the processes will begin accordingly internal and we will calmly and joyfully accept you into the composition, then you will be a new member, an honorary member , a meritorious member, which will be others we will give you a bunch of bonuses, including economic ones, but uh, to directly enter into a conflict with a nuclear state right now, and to enter into such a conflict directly, that is, through the provision of guarantees to ukraine, the united states is not ready yet, uh, i think that to be honest, the situation can change at any moment, but now it is a demonstration, for example, by the patriots of its super efficiency, and it seems to me that it seriously helped us and helped the americans in general, they understood

the effectiveness of their anti-missile system in them, it is multi-echeloned, their system consists of a grassroots level of such peters, then there is, hmm, such a tactical system , i am a missile, and then a global anti-missile system, an american strategic anti-missile defense system, and they realized that if at the grassroots level, the patriots are able to shoot down super- duper, the best vaunted russian missiles, so the american continent, as of now , almost nothing threatens from russia, frankly speaking, all the more so with the development of american technologies, everything will be to speed up, and their development is unrestrained by nothing, and russian development is restrained by the poverty of their economy, the inefficiency of their sanctions, so these are two projections that say that american efficiency will now increase

, including the military, and russian most likely no and in because of this, i think that, in principle, some politicians are american and from the republican camp, from the democratic camp , they can say that this is too much, that this policy that the administration is currently pursuing is careless, it is too cautious that russia, in principle, no longer poses such a deadly threat to the united states and it is necessary to punish them more seriously and more strongly. moreover, as we have seen many times when america behaves decisively with the russians, all these red lines are are blurring and russia is closing in. that’s how it was with the red lines that putin drew from the very beginning and told take it away from here. yes, from eastern europe, on the contrary , the americans strengthened their presence there,

including their presence directly american troops are now also in poland, ukraine, the baltic states, in romania, and so on, no one went anywhere, contrary to the mass media, after that there were red lines and where they said that there were deliveries of wall units, this is a big red line, then the rebel set up artillery, then tanks eh then eh missiles of himersive helicopters and so on and they got hysterical about this serious blood, the entry of ukraine into us is also a red line that would blur but but there is definitely what you are talking about to what i would like now, mr. yevgena, pay, you know, i am just now announcing the news , which happened five days ago and surprised many, that since the beginning of 2023, 653 humanitarian cargoes have disappeared in ukraine, which passed through customs as humanitarian aid to the military, it's so simple, it's just one story

i am not talking about the dnipropetrovsk eyes, the stories about zaporizhian humanitarian women , there are wagons, some people got rich, eh. kropyvnytskyi e letovychiv who sweated rockets or found a person who wrote a novel these years is now sitting behind bars, yesterday his stay behind bars was extended we are judging azov people in russia our heroes are sitting behind bars and in ukraine military colonels of the sbu who from the first days of the war went to defend their state also behind bars and that's all in the united states of america they see, they saw eggs for 17 hryvnias, they see a lot of things and they continue to see and for some reason the ukrainian authorities have the idea that somehow everyone has it all close your eyes and that's what my father said about the possibility of building an automatic regime, he also meant that well, he is a politician who has been in politics since the time when volodymyr oleksandrovich was not born and his alter ego, mr. yarmak, he was already then

he was a senator, he went through it all, and when he comes to meetings, he sees a person with incomprehensible duties who is constantly ahead of the president, well, everyone understands all this too. please tell me, mr. yevgeny, in your opinion, whether biden really sent signals to the ukrainian authorities and said that friends while you you will not live by european standards and everything that happens and what we seem to not notice will not happen . we do not need to dream too much because we know everything, we see everything, we understand everything and cover ourselves with blood and heroism people, despite the fact that everything would be fine with you all, it won't work out in any way, you won't get there , please, you know. political blog in world, therefore, it is necessary to meet all standards, especially in the conditions

of the largest war in the world at the moment, and this requirement. it should show that nato is expanding, a witness, that is , the united states does not want to create a situation in which , in fact, i would say there will be a situation when ukraine is accepted into nato only in principle, we are acting against putin. i think this is not quite the case. there are no such issues at the moment. accordingly, we must be a conscious member of

the north atlantic alliance, which is equal to for all other reasons, in this same context, there cannot be a situation when nato's fifth article on collective security does not work with regard to ukraine. as some of our high-ranking officials suggested that you accept us, but say that nato's fifth article does not work. unfortunately, this cannot be the case. will undermine the positions of the representatives of the north atlantic alliance themselves. biden has a large-scale perspective regarding ukraine and he cannot afford to pretend that he does not know where it is on the map, so he will act as actively as possible and implement

steps aimed at increasing ukraine's chances of becoming a member of the north atlantic alliance. accordingly, i would like to remind you that next year the nato summit will be held in washington, and in november next year there will be presidential elections in which joseph biden plans to participate, and i personally do not rule out that biden will change his position if his sociology and political consultants will say that ukraine's accession to nato corresponds to the interests of the united states by the middle of 2024 , there may still be such a situation, but not we must forget that our relations with the north atlantic alliance are very reminiscent of a tale of lost time, and today we must not complain about the bid, which he is not good for, do not ask him biden why we are not in nato, but we