[000:00:00;00] accordingly, i would like to remind you that next year nato itself will be held in washington, and in november next year there will be presidential elections in which joseph biden plans to take part, and i personally do not rule out that biden will change his position and correct it if his sociology and his political consultants will speak that ukraine's accession to nato corresponds to the interests of the united states by the middle of 2024, there may still be such a situation, but we must not forget that our relations with the north atlantic alliance are very similar a tale of lost time , and we should not complain about biden today, which he is not good at, should not ask him biden why we are not in nato, but we should

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the sbu engrave your name on the pages of victory the worldview continues with us evgeny magde and oleksandr paliy and we are talking about why ukraine is not in nato or a part or part of nato. i remember all these infantile political infantile statements of president zelenskyi regarding the start of a full-scale invasion about what biden why we are not in nato with as well as you know in us i was friends with alcoholics somewhere there, i didn’t go to school, but i need to get one - i got a certificate with twos and threes and says why i ’m not at the university, well, it’s basically the same story. but this political immaturity remains because for some reason everyone thinks that we should somehow, you know, take a little sick person somewhere there and let him be there. let's protect him and not fail to understand our responsibility. that's why, oleksandr, i turned to you. i want you to very briefly remind our viewers. why don't we in nato, and it is possible to recall those votes, those key decisions or lack of decisions by ukrainian politics, first of all, and the verkhovna rada , i will remind the verkhovna rada elected by ukrainian citizens, which ignored the prospects of the movement towards the north atlantic

alliance in general, perhaps the president also ignored it, because everyone always talks about the bucharest ones in 2008, they say that well , then merkel, then bush, putin then said that george is a ukrainian , not even a state, and so on. and they didn't take us . well, but here you have to look at your own responsibility, so if you can briefly but in essence, why or for what reasons, own reasons or own lack of certain decisions , ukraine is not in nato, please, well, the reason is that we had a genocidal political elite that, er, robbed the country for decades, people cheered for one team or another sometimes even for a pro-russian one, many people voted for pro-russian politicians, and thus putting the country under a huge threat, i remember how 17% of ukraine advocated joining nato too much.

and it was long enough 17-18-21 and so on and so on. that is, it was very difficult to convince our people, and the reason. by the way, because people did not know the history, they simply did not know the history of who russia is and what russia is like that because russia is not at all what they say about themselves and tell, in fact, that's all different, radically different. but our politicians, er, lived er, with such corrupt various ideas, to trade somewhere there something er, some er, to put economic benefits in their pockets and think that nothing has ended, please look now at donbass on the results of all this on the territory of the city of bakhmut, and mariupol, and at the factory in bakhmut and mariupol about

the results of their economic cooperation . people too well, but do you understand the citizens? i don't think they didn't know this because, in principle, citizens are everywhere , uh, they form uh, the general picture for them , the responsible political elite and all other elites in our country, this responsible elite was just being born , then it had no resources, then it could not reach then there was very little of it and so on, that's why i don't smell people by and large, although, to be honest, the instinct of self-preservation should have worked a little better , and back then, in the 20s. therefore, the most important thing was to understand the morality of is situation is also because it is difficult to understand the difference between the morals of russia and

morally normal states, that is, we also had such, let's say, indifference to such moral issues when we looked at russia. how did she commit her crimes there, either in chechnya or in georgia that's somewhere else eh, it's a murder abroad that's why people had to brainwash themselves a little and understand who you're dealing with, thieves and natural a-a so eh and eh that's why the main responsibility is, of course, on those who were in leading positions who was called the political elite. and who got there and didn't met those conditions and requirements. by the way, yushchenko and tymoshenko have a huge responsibility, because they

cynically cynically and senselessly cynically and senselessly spoiled ukraine's clear chance to join nato after 2005. for some corrupt interests and the most important vital interest of the country about about er, well, to put it mildly, about the fukals , this is a way to say culturally, oh, i will remind you because one of our people is only a replica because i remember as a journalist came to boryspil airport when the ukrainian delegation returned from russia brought us this famous or infamous ukrenergo and then they asked the head of naftogaz in my opinion or who they say and what will be the price of gas for rossokrenergo and he says i don't remember who it was then this was the head of naftogaz, an associate of yushchenko, he was called cheresh mercedes somehow ivchenko ivchenko ivchenko oleksiy irchenko alyosha mercedes because he bought some armored mercedes there and then said that we don't care how much he buys gas for rusokrenergo in russia is important to us for how much he sells it to us, that is, the corruption component was already so hidden from the audience, well, i

am the host , and then there were completely different interests. that we are not in nato now, please finish because i snatched you away, well , that is, in principle, the situation was good for us several times in the early 2000s and in the 90s, for example, in the early 90s when kuchma kravchuk is already dead, and kuchma is still alive and in fact he could for nuclear weapons without even surrendering and er postponing it for a very long time there to negotiate nuclear weapons and accession to nato and a lot of different things there is nothing like that in them not a single rivet for such a thing the task is so ambitious nor the desire to do it there was no responsibility for this, there was nothing for that kuchma, a billionaire, now yes and everything feels normal because he is back

on the coast, he is engaged in scandinavian walking, as mykhailo tkach showed there , putting the country at risk of colossal threats, including the use of nuclear weapons of foreign ot for such cases er when ukraine, in principle, could er huddle and make some positive decisions er during this decade after the 14th year , unfortunately for such cases of rapid acceleration er accelerated movement towards nato until that we didn't have, but not now, in the near future, god willing, this chance will somehow open up for us much more seriously, because as of now , we have in principle a favorable geopolitical environment in the west of our country, if we do not count hungary and transnistria, yes in general, it is a good geopolitical situation, which radically differs from the situation

that was in ukraine in the 17th century, which was at the beginning of the 20th century, and so on . military-technical concrete and economic, they are, in principle, serious in relation to ukraine, so let's hope that in the near future the situation will change in our direction and we will get a positive result in our cooperation with nato. there is nothing left to wait. well, by the way, they are writing about this right here in the comments, and why is yarmak a traitor? prove it means, well , first of all, no one is his traitor, she is called this person, who is the president's psychologist, who is the successor, who performs not these functions that are not prescribed in the law about the president, i would like to remind you that the position of the head of the president is not prescribed in the constitution, it is not a constitutional position. well, when a person stands in front of the verkhovna rada at a meeting with biden, who is the second person in the state before

the prime minister, and when always in the name it is written in front of everyone, well, it looks a bit strange, i think that it is surprising that people notice it. well, i also want to ask why a person from the time of yanukovych who solved the legal issue, let's say, mr. tatarov , i have enough questions about where bakanov is. well, again, a person who from the first days defended ukraine , which was a buyer of the sbu, just talked about a possible outburst due to the release of bayonets, today stands behind the game for no apparent reason, well, it is about sbu colonel roman chervinsky, so there are many questions on we have answers to these questions, that's why we say that there are certain questions and obviously these same questions are asked by our partners abroad, and here i will remind you of one moment when the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi , the commander-in-chief, arrived in connection with the start of the invasion of britain, he was invited to british intelligence then in the conversation with the head of intelligence in the office when he really wanted to get to yarmak, the british didn't let him in, that's why there are such and such moments that need to be answered and in any case you can live like this. no one says you can live like this. someone will be a gray cardinal. someone will take into account someone who will decide the issue like mr. tatarov behind everyone's back. however, it

can be, but then it's not about democracy, then go to russia, unite, secret union and live for yourself and rejoice then you are absolutely the same there ukrainian heroes abroad behind bars and here we have ukrainian heroes behind bars , no arguments. yes, what is the difference between us, why are we at war with russia? then the question arises. from on march 2, 2022, a survey will be conducted, 85% of ukrainians were in favor of ukraine joining nato, and already on march 23, 2023, that is, when the russians left kyiv and many cities of ukraine , 82% of ukrainians were in favor of joining nato, and i think so that after the war it may already be 72% because the russians will not be on our territory, this is about the fact that people really react to the threat when it is big, then there is, but in any case, it is not the 17% that you talked about, well, we have literally 10 minutes and yevhen wrote the question and then

i will ask mr. oleksandr lepne-july the nato summit in vilnius, we remember the failure in vilnius and yanukovych himself regarding its association with the eu. benefits for yourself from the entire july summit, mr. yevgeny, please. i would like another small remark about what we have just now. i do not agree with the fact that in the early 90s we could exchange everything for joining nato. at that time, even the question of poland's accession and other central european countries of the baltic countries was barely enough. therefore, it was necessary to put it. it was necessary

to put it. in the ukrainian paradisism of thinking, we did not pass many mistakes, many lessons, as our other neighboring states passed, this cannot be absolute, because countries with an absolutely continuous history of statehood on the european continent does not have much, but this must be taken into account, that is why we are actually now waging a war of independence. i think that this is the truth and the truth is bitter because this war began in the 31st year after the declaration of independence, and this war will prove ukraine's place on the political map of europe and the world i don't have any doubts about the nato summit . it's simple here. i would advise volodymyr zelensky to announce right now that he is preparing for a trip

to vilnius and that he intends to go to vilnius together with the minister of foreign affairs, let's say to devote all the time to negotiations on strengthening the position of ukraine ukraine is now in such a situation when you allow yourself some public insults, public misunderstandings or something else, in my opinion, it simply has no moral right therefore, this must be taken into account we must work with it and it must be creatively implemented ukraine does not has the right to allow himself today to give passes to russian propaganda that we declare that you do not have nato this must be absolutely clear understanding and besides, ukrainian government officials

must now comply with the constitutional norm about european and euro-atlantic integration and in this context, i was honestly somewhat upset by the news from reuters that , according to the european union, ukraine fulfilled only two of the seven points for starting negotiations with the european union, not for joining the eu, for starting negotiations, our authorities told us absolutely the opposite things that we are about to translate the last pieces of paper and start negotiations. if the same happens and it is known, then it will be a serious challenge because there is a direct dependence , the smaller the military and technical assistance of our allies, you can kill more of our defenders, and this is a very serious challenge, mr. oleksandr, now i have a question for you, if you have time. well, first of all, it is important that mr. president, supreme commander -in-chief volodymyr zelenskyi fly to vilnius or come, he knows how to get it there, in principle, it is not far to go from poland, but right away, the question is that mr. president says that

he would not like to participate in a political spectacle, we already remember when he ignored the relevant meeting in london even before the start of the full-scale invasion, in my opinion, in it was in london, and will there not be the same story now, and why is it important for zelensky to come to vilnius and take part, and with what to come? i am free to judge here, our troops are seriously pushing forward. we are going from one direction or from several directions at once. this will be very serious. and this will mean that we will be given even more weapons, most likely , this must be understood. of course uh and i think that it should be done why because it will be such a dense communication of key leaders and dedicated to ukraine to generate of course it was

not wrong despite even the predicted results of this summit everything has been demonstrated that we need now we need concrete support from the west, including weapons and, first of all, probably weapons , and i think that during the nato meeting , some good decisions will be made solution because well, just like that, nato cannot go without good solutions for ukraine , so the summit in vilnius is very close geographically to us. in other words, our region actually says too much that no one will imitate it from anywhere in eastern europe. on the contrary, it is strengthened by the doctrinal changes in the military doctrine of nato that they will now defend every meter of territory there and not just

keep an umbrella over them , so to speak maximum and this one too the maximum can probably be achieved through personal meetings, uh, that is, it is not a place for some people, for some people, there is a need to win everything to the maximum. i think that our diplomats, to be honest, they know it very well. i think that they are very qualified people, there are many of them and there are many people there the military leadership is diligent, including what changes are constantly in contact eh and therefore a-ah-a we will wait for a good development of events eh no one in the world should be afraid, as i understood russia, now it is not going to eh znakhov

countries despite these statements about nuclear weapons all the more so when after the ukrainian soldiers of the regional air defense demonstrated the ability to shoot down super-duper russian missiles , about which they filmed many cartoons for a very long time , ukraine actually tears off the mask from russia and its tricks, including its weakness in us here it remains, well, literally in a minute , i will ask a question and ask you to answer it, well, we understand why we need nato. although, on the other hand, now it is important for us to fight back and win the enemy of our territory literally in a minute, yevgeny a why are we needed? without ukraine, there is no integration project. and actually , where is the euro-atlantic or european integration ? the largest country in europe will not be complete without ukraine . it is absolutely obvious. well, every project still strives for maximum expansion. in order to say to the prosthesis that without a democratic

belarus there will also be no safe europe , a democratic belarus will also integrate and moldova will cease to be neutral because our three states are now going through the process of completing the process the formation of a political nation, they are also, accordingly, if you want, currently on the bench of the spare integration processes and it depends on us how long we will be on this bench p oleksandr, and your opinion why we need nato, we are needed too much in order not to fight on our territory defensively and that is, for the americans in order not to fight abroad for poland, and for norway, for finland, now from ukraine, the baltics, for romania, for bulgaria, and they need ukraine to be a member of nato, and before that it gave such good kicks to russian imperialism that after

i couldn't attack anyone, i wouldn't be able to, do you know what it is? an interesting story happened in finland. they looked through binoculars for a long time and could not see the russian troops there on the border. all the regular russian troops who were stationed near finland died already in ukraine. they have a history. actually, our interests coincide. thank you very much. oleksandr palii was with us, a historian and a political scientist. and they write interesting works both on historical topics and on political topics, i know, in the end, i want to quote the words of johnson, who celebrated his 59th birthday yesterday, a person who fundamentally influenced the course of the history of the beginning of great tuesday, we remember his active help, he came he was the first to come to ukraine, he didn’t do everything we had weapons , he supported us, he convinced us and what and this macron woke them up, harassed me, i told my friends

to wake up, this is a war, let’s fight instead of sending 400 helmets to ukraine and communicate with putin at the kilometer table. yesterday he gave his speech on his birthday. he said this about ukrainians about ukraine . think about how much ukrainians could learn. if they had been taught just a year ago, i am sure that ukrainians will win. i know that they will win. they fight like lions for their families for their country and the russians not i know that putin will lose these heroic soldiers are fighting for freedom for all of us they are fighting for peace and stability said boroz johnson and this is the answer to the question why should we be in nato we should believe in it we must do everything for this, but we must be responsible and meet nato standards not only in the military sense, although we also need to achieve many more results here, but also in the political and institutional democratic sense, because nato is a community of democratic states and there is no authoritarianism in ukraine should not, as well as corruption on such a huge scale or on a certain

scale, corruption is always and continues to be a very difficult story of a search with a happy ending, we are very happy to inform that five-year-old antonchyk chaban, whom we were looking for for almost 9 months, was found with the boy, everything is fine, of course, the most important thing is that he is already safe with his father, i definitely want to say a big thank you to each of you for your concern and help in the search, i would like to remind you that antonchyk disappeared in cherkasy region, he he lived with his grandmother and on september 5 , 22, the connection with them was cut off, since then there was no news from them in the house where they lived , they were not found, under what circumstances they disappeared

, it was not at all clear, but they immediately joined to the search and posted information about the boy on all available media resources. and yet in the fall, under the announcement about the search for anton, a woman wrote a message that she hoped that the boy would be found . on september 27, on tuesday, i saw a grandmother with her son mykola in the city of shpola in a store aurora near the privatbank on soborna street at approximately 12:20 p.m., although the information was definitely encouraging to find antonchik, then , unfortunately, the search continued, and fortunately , even after 9 long months, the boy they searched and the family was finally reunited, so thanks to you for not remaining indifferent to this situation, they tried to help, in particular, they spread the announcement about the search for anton on their pages in social networks. this story once again confirms that even in very difficult situations, together with joint efforts, there is a chance to find the missing

there is always a child. not so long ago , thanks to the fact that relatives immediately reported the disappearance of the boy , it was possible to quickly find the story of 17-year-old vlad bodnar. vlad left home and did not returned to the search, the police of the child search service and concerned citizens immediately joined in. and after a few days, vlad managed to find the boy from zhytomyr oblast. it is not the first time when vlad disappears, earlier he had already left home and traveled through nearby settlements , this time he got all the way to kyiv, it is during adolescence that children often resort to running away from home, there are various reasons, for example teenagers may run away if they are unable to resolve conflicts with their parents