[000:00:00;00] greetings, the usual tv channel espresso, the usual host, yuri fizer, the usual program, the world at war, unusual time, but i hope not. i am sure that those who watch who likes to watch our program are already getting used to this new time, and we have been on the air for three weeks already. at 1:10 p.m. remember this time as those who watch us on the network , at least where we have not been turned off, where you can watch us, and those who watch on youtube, and you can watch us on youtube on two channels, the general espresso channel and a specially created one for the sweet program during the war well, today i, as always, will have guests with whom they will professionally answer my questions, the questions to which it is sometimes difficult for me and you to answer, they will. exactly, well, before introducing my first guest and i

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you about this why belarus nuclear weapons as there are always three options for answers, the first is for protection, the second was forced by putin and the third - your option, your option can be read in the comments, and after the outube program publishes it, you will be able to see your option. well, i am ready to introduce my first guest and go to the first ones questions that i prepared just for him valery klochok head of the center of public analytics tower political and economic expert certain valery i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes greetings friends mr. valery thank you for joining look well obviously we today, we will start ukraine's path to nato with nato, and ultimately our relations with the nato headquarters in brussels and the nato member countries, because in just three weeks , a summit will be held in vilnius on july 11 and 12, at which

the fate of ukraine will probably be decided. maybe not, that's what i want to talk to you about today. do you understand, i understood that, valery what at this nato summit , why did i understand from the statements that have been heard over the past two or three weeks that at this nato summit, we will not receive an invitation to nato in freedom, i want to hear it is your explanation why in brussels, well, an invitation does not mean entry, we understand that after the invitation there will be some time, years may pass before we become a member of nato, why are brussels afraid to make such a formal invitation to us? that we will not receive an invitation , well, for stoltenberg in particular, who says that we will continue to support ukraine , but first we need to end the war, well, such and such. i

get the impression that we want specifically probably some document yes to hear. will you see at the vinnytsia summit where it will be written that figuratively there ukraine will join nato on january 1, 24, and it will be this type of concrete formal political responsible i think this is a wrong interpretation because the statements although contradictory yes in part of that and whether ukraine will be a member of nato or not, but this is rather our interpretation. and i personally read all the reports that in fact the question of ukraine's membership in nato has been resolved and even the nato adviser literally spoke about it a week ago, she clearly stated that this is not being discussed. ukraine, it will be an issue. i just would like to hear you talk about the dates when we will already become a member of nato. no, i am talking about this formal invitation, but they speak, for example, at the nato summit and say

we are not just a door too for the country are open and we invite ukraine to nato yes, we submitted an application no one objects to our entry friends well, i say it again, this is our interpretation, because i see a lot of things now betrayals, they say that all ukraine is gone , ukraine will not be nato, well, that's all up to me not completely free. i just want you to clarify all of this. i’m just updating it, so i’m only asking you a question. the viewer, i think , will better understand why exactly such a discussion arose. well, he will understand why it arose, because we have a lot of problems that need to be solved on on his way to us three days ago, the stock is publishing information about the fact that joseph biden allegedly said there that we don’t need ukraine to go there, and literally yesterday when he was there the day before yesterday, when he flew to philadelphia on a working visit, he was asked the following question. said no no will as well as everyone, that is, ukraine will not be an exception in terms of the need to pass a review form on compliance with nato standards in ukraine

directly, that is, we will divide it directly. now it is the military, the military component of our armed forces of ukraine, we are already approaching there. we have a lot of nato weapons, and so over the last year. year, our military personnel are undergoing training in nato countries and are now even conducting military operations. is it by the standards of even the armed forces of ukraine, as it was there before the beginning of a large-scale invasion and according to the rules and standards of nato, and even more so, we know that the top military leadership of ukraine planned these offensives with our western partners, this is generally known public information, therefore, here the coordination of the euro-atlantic alliance and ukraine already exists, that is, we do it in practice, as regards precisely other necessary things that need to be reformed in our army , this process will definitely go through some but not only the leadership of the armed forces

of ukraine, the ministry of defense is something else that should act not just on formal grounds according to nato standards, it is practical, that is why i think that biden was very categorical, that is why when he said that there will be no exception and ukraine will have to go through this path in order to fully respond, now with regard to the vilnius site, we expect that at the vinnytsia summit a protocol will be signed just in time. they invite us. we invite you once again , he emphasizes . ukraine has submitted an application. after the end of the war but that's the first moment again. we don't understand when the war will end . nobody knows right now. it could end tomorrow. it could end in a year. maybe in two. this is the first moment . the second moment. how much will ukraine be ready for?

er, it is also political to join the alliance, because there are certainly many problems in ukraine, and i emphasize once again. this is what the western partners are telling us, get yourself in order even in conditions of war, but you can force it to get there, so no one questions it on the 16th of nato, the rhetoric will be completely different in our country with a civilian website and the main issue that will be considered is the provision of sufficient assistance to ukraine by all members of the alliance, and what they will accept in ukraine . well, let's remember the munich security conference that was held at the beginning of this year then, and even earlier last year, when the director of the munich security conference, hozin, spoke together with the president of germany, mayer, somehow it happened on the same day. yes, with a difference of one day, we did not

held their press conferences and steinmeier's address . nato but this is history itself, formalization, bureaucratization , compliance, everything else, it is even read in the final resolution of the european parliament, adopted last week, where there was an appeal to ukraine by members of the alliance about necessary for ukraine to join us in accepting, but at the same time the beginning of negotiations simply to ukraine to the european union after the war, the reconstruction of ukraine in parallel with the reforms. that is, they do not divide it, well , these are normal things, so when really we read some insiders about what biden said everything will be simplified, well, we were happy with it, yes, but they turn out to be so simple. that's why it's not out of thin air, and i think that everything is normal, it should be done the other way around, i'll tell you frankly

, i'm even happy that the secure format help will be provided, it will not stop, it was especially telling that after the operator of the kakhovsky hpp, which the russians committed there, the help is increasing more and more and more and more, along with that, they said we will help, but in any case, so that you understand that it will not be like that ourselves, that is, in such a situation, this is a really good impetus for us to also make our best efforts in order to help them accept us in this case , to show her once again that we are ready. this is really very, very well said a p valery, let's now go through a little about these peace plans initiatives let's call things by their names dead initiatives blinken the secretary of state of the united states of america went to china already met today even with sydzenpin they talked about ukraine what was agreed there so far there are no details, but it is obvious that his main goal was to improve us-chinese relations, because

yesterday the minister of foreign affairs of the qing dynasty said that the relations with washington at the lowest level and the establishment of diplomatic relations between these two countries . obviously, this was their main topic, ukraine, they talked about ukraine . is she alive , she just lives, she is, well, i wouldn’t like to raise or lower her role now. is the meaning purely from a diplomatic point of view, so that there are no manipulations based on my comments and according to your program, therefore, this moment must be recorded here. why did he appear , friends? this is a very important nuance. the meeting, in general, at a very high level between china and the usa took place at the balliv e in november of last year at the g20 summit, where even

putin was supposed to be there instead of him. lavrovka came there. well, let's remember what kind of shorts in the days when he was wearing underpants and boiled, the one i speak was there commenting on the events that were taking place, and then on the eve of this very important meeting , he met with physipia and jose biden, and they for several hours, they discussed something in a closed format, and then an agreement was reached on the restoration of their ties, the restoration of communications, the first such communication link was supposed to be blinkin's visit to china in february of this year. will be the first to answer who is following this, everything is okay, but i emphasize in another language that this visit was supposed to take place on the eve of the anniversary of the beginning of the large-scale russian invasion of ukraine and that's when there is an initiative by china, which we call the so-called peace plan since 12 years ago, i think and i do not rule out that joseph bidens and i had a preliminary agreement somewhere that this

document could be joint, but we must understand that china still defends its own interest in the eurasian the continent, not the american one. that is, it is a normal political, economic and strategic competition, which is why the visit of anthony blinken, i emphasize once again, was disrupted in the beginning of february 2023, and at 23:00 and on february 24, the general the assembly of the organization of nations near them for in fact, this plan was voiced, it was voiced the day before this, of course, but all those events are very, very connected and that's exactly it was at this moment that such a dialogue between the leaders of these two countries began, because joseph biden, in principle, well, he did not really condemn the incident with the chinese bullets, he was quite cautious in commenting on everything, understanding the need to restore communication links that would ensure the solution of the three key issues that currently exist in relations between

china and the united states of america, the first is economic competition, which is talked about a lot and which should not lead to de-escalation in the world to escalation i apologize for the second question - this is of course the issue of taiwan over taiwan , there are a lot of speculations, you only need to understand one thing that the usa also does not advocate the independence of taiwan, they advocate a democratic system in taiwan which in it would be very useful for their understanding in ours if it were extended to the whole of china, that is, no one questions the integrity of china, neither ukraine, nor china, nor the united states of america, and even in of the united nations because taiwan, for example, is not a country and a member . that is, there is a problem in this conflict and others, and of course ukraine.

took into account to a great extent the formula of myra zelenskyi , it was voiced on ivan among the legion and now , after the difficult times for russia, which it received as a result of the strong opposition of ukraine , e.e., from the weakening of the economy, etc., china he has already taken a position of readiness, which did not depend on him for large-scale negotiations with the united states of america. builds foreign policy and relations with russia we hear a lot about some kind of strategic protest

. influence on the asian continent well, a vivid proof of that was the forum that was held, and in fact, the eve of the summit of the league of arab states and the big seven in hiroshima - the seven in hiroshima - this is the china central asia summit, he met with representatives of the countries of the post-soviet space, which are often called there in russia behind russia, thus showing and demonstrating its influence on kazakhstan , tajikistan, uzbekistan, and shaping the chinese agenda in this region, not the russian agenda, so i believe that now it is very well, what's going on with these meetings? we eventually passed, you know, the combifurcation that began precisely with the summit of the g20 in november last year, where joseph biden met and sisin wants to be informal, but i have small certain achievements of agreement and it is no coincidence that the united states appealed very frankly and open to china with proposals for such meetings

, let's recall the interesting interview of the former us secretary of state henrique sanjar, where he spoke about the need to restore relations between the us and china as a necessary condition security for the whole world. therefore, all the events that are happening right now around the figure of anthony blinken, he seems to me to be such a missionary, and now the softening of the confrontation between these two powerful countries can be the beginning of a completely new history for the world, and i put very high hopes on it hopes well, let's really hope p valery well, look. if we talk about the african initiative, if we compare it with the chinese one, it differs in a lot of economic issues , precisely in being confused with this initiative because african countries are interested in the uninterrupted supply of food to their continent, and in your professional opinion , this is exactly the initiative if you compare it with china. well, i will not compare it because you have already said that you have certain hopes for this the chinese

initiative, but if we compare this african initiative, could it also be some kind

of additional leverage on moscow , the international economic forum, which was actually a failure, there was only one high-ranking representative of algeria, none the president was not even there, and the president of the united arab emirates actually fled from there. well, he left because it was not clear to them that russia, when these events are taking place, and the leaders of african countries are in kyiv, and there is a lot of rocket fire putin actually showed in this way that with the help of africa, he can still try to influence something there, not all of it, but no. this story is not about china. this story is not against the united states of america. i mean the leaders of african countries. this was exclusively a russian story. moreover, the russian mass media very actively demonstrated the interesting, interesting in quotation marks, of course

, putin's comment where he said that they did not kidnap ukrainian children from the territory of ukraine, they did not take them away. he said that it was the so-called mirna type the evacuation was so necessary, it was a humanitarian mission. and now let's remember that one of the points of the african so-called peace plan was informally, but still talked about, with the recall of putin's warrant, which was the decision about which was adopted precisely because of the abduction of children from ukraine. that is, it is absolutely obvious on the surface that today putin is still trying with the help of countries under his control to somehow work out the possibility of lifting sanctions on russia there , returning ukraine to the table of popular negotiations, and so on. when we remember that we started to know with you, there is even stoneenberg talking about the fact that ukraine will enter into negotiations with russia. but after the offensive, where will it form completely different

negotiating positions and will demand more from he even expects putin, putin understands this, putin is clearly aware that all the actions he has taken in relation to ukraine are falling today, even with small forces , but the armed forces of ukraine are carrying out successful offensive actions in the south, this is the confirmation of the ministry of defense and it is absolutely striking the chair under him cannot sit now. he does not understand and all his actions are aimed exclusively at somehow influencing the international community and maintaining certain preferences for himself, but as far as i am concerned, this is absolutely a failed story, he has already served his time, and it is in this context that the contacts between the usa and china are very key, because there is no strategic partnership between the usa, china and russia , today the chinese is demonstrating this way, he is demonstrating putin, what are you going to do, as we told you

let's say either he will and it won't be your way, or you simply won't lead this country, which is still called russia. well, he won't be. i very much hope to lead this country in the near future, and in the end, i would like ukraine as such in the current her state with that name and it was not that this stool is making a lot of effort now and that this stool that you said should be knocked out from under him as soon as possible p valery thank you very much for participating in the sweet program during the war thank you for your professional comments valery klychok head of the center of public analytics tower political and economic expert well, according to the rules of television, we are forced to take a short advertising break now, but we will return literally in three minutes, do not switch to pantestyn

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of questions and problems, i want to say that due to some technical features of the problem, we currently do not have a broadcast on a special youtube channel, but you can vote there, there are very few votes there now people are voting on the question that we asked you. why does belarus have nuclear weapons, three options for defense so far , only 14% think so putin forced 81% think well, 5% have their own option, but despite the fact that there is no broadcast on the special channel of the world during the war has a broadcast on general espresso on youtube. i mean, that's why you can watch it there. and of course, watch it on the network where we haven't been shut down yet, i hope that

they won't return it to all the networks in which we are uh were, because it should be, well, i'm ready to introduce my next guest. this is yevhen magne - director of the institute of world politics , mr. yevhen. i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. i'm very glad that you joined. kudos to the heroes, mr. yury . good day, mr. yevhen. well, let's be with today we will dedicate this block to you, unfortunately, but you are an expert in this, we will dedicate it to belarus and russia, and let's start with the fact that today i read that i am sure that you and the head of the president's office , andriy yarmak, gave an interview to the american to the publication of the volt street journal, well, there are such general phrases that um, correct phrases, some messages about the fact that we will not give up our territory , we are everything, we are everything, but there was one moment that mr. yevgeny was dispersed instantly, i

read it in the russian media before the media immediately, the russian media, dispersed it, mr. yarmak slandered there that russia wanted to negotiate first, and the russian media immediately said, well, you see, we wanted it, it 's ukraine's fault. please tell me why such an interview is being given now i do not know coincidence or what? why do this? wait, mr. yury , i am an expert on belarus, not on the fair. from the point of view of his functional responsibilities, and i don't quite understand this practice of military-field democracy. when you know in our country, the powers

are redistributed in a manual mode, there is a fair that can bank e-e to be photographed under the inscription "the center of the president's actions" and he then talks about various things, he is there, the marathon, the only news, the newspaper, the party, the servant of the people. by the way, i did not know that yarmak, the party, the servant of the people. well, i understand that if a person is promoted by the party, the newspaper is the servant of the people. servants of the people and he is a member of the party, that's right. well, not just . no, they don't promote you or me. well, that's right, and uh, when uh, well, they wanted to negotiate . after that talk no matter why we are not in nato, you have to ask yermak why i am in nato, because we