[000:00:00;00] hmm, the directorate is not so motivated, at least it does not receive such high salaries very often as in the private sector , they say there is complete corruption, let's sell it , at least we will get some benefit from it, but you say that it is impossible to tell everything or at least there is some transition period before that sale when all the same, the enterprise must be managed. well, there must be rules, yes , yes, in any case, at a certain period, in a certain period of time, we will have a large share, so now it is a unique situation in ukraine, our privatization plans were delayed for years and were not implemented, but first there were wars. we started privatization again . well, this is what happened. what is the real problem in ukraine ? fragmented and confusing legislation in the field of state asset management creates numerous conflicts and opportunities for

abuse of large state enterprises , especially monopolies. are attractive for receiving the so-called economic lease, i.e. when, roughly speaking, the enterprise is exploited , the private owner benefits, the state bears the losses, and the losses are covered by which taxpayers. well, these state enterprises are managed through the state property fund, and we, for example, remember what happened to the former head of the state property fund, who was declared wanted and is hiding abroad. his case was related to the fact that large state-owned enterprises should or should not have been privatized, there should have been other directors appointed, that is, for this he received money

big er big big profits lead people to big risks unfortunately, state-owned enterprises and with state-owned enterprises, that is, those that work with state-owned enterprises is a way of receiving payment for certain services , especially in the political struggle - this is a big problem, and for this, corporate governance is required, which is exactly what independent supervisory boards that control should be about these boards that already directly manage the enterprise, that is, some manage others , you control there supervisory boards. this is one of the elements of fuses, which are important fuses that must control and to improve and make the management of state assets more effective well, it must be said that during the war our state assets increased somewhat, that is, on the contrary, it is not us who say that we began to implement privatization plans

, sell-sell, and state assets become larger. well, on the one hand, it became less as on the one hand, we privatized part of the assets , particularly there in the alcohol industry. this happened last year, about those were privatized, but on the other hand, in november 22 of last year, the state nationalized a number of large enterprises, we are talking about zaporizhzhia, autokras transformer, motor sich, ukrnaftu, ukrtetnaftu. well, nationalized is not quite the right word, because formally nationalization did not take place, er , asset seizure took place and the assets acquired the status of military property, the management transferred the nymphon of state property to the ministry of defense plus in us there is a plus. we have such a structure as arma, which manages confiscated property and seized property, that is, we actually have three

different bodies, the arma state property fund of the ministry of defense. perhaps there is something else in other ministries are managed in this way by the main ones that you said, we expect that arma will receive much more property and assets, but that will be a little later. if we talk about these assets that i said, well, actually, it's um, remember we had an idea, an idea, and the goal is where to carry it out deoli- oligarchization, i.e. excuse the complicated word. well, in fact, it happened there. igor kolomoiskyi, gennady bogoliubov, zhivago grigoryshyn, the bogoslavovs lost valuable assets that were controlled by the main oligarch. it turns out that

we see that the strengthening of the role of the state, which inefficient, as you say, becomes the controller of a large part of the economy, and you see , well, a more complex problem is, let's say, in the banking sector, where the state owns more than 60 percent of the sector, and it is obvious that during the war. after the war, it will be necessary to reduce the share of the state, it will be necessary to reduce eh and eh. what is the task now during the war to improve the standards of corporate governance ? their feeding ground for corrupt politicians. and how to manage them effectively to earn money for the state, you see, unfortunately, so far we can see. that is, we have made a commitment within the framework

of cooperation with the imf to strengthen corporate governance. of the gas transport system, but also others , yes, the implementation in principle of corporate governance is such a club, the economic club of developed countries, as far as i remember. well, this is just indicative. yes, we have motor sich there cases, he demonstrates that after nationalization, the quality of corporate governance has deteriorated. in other words, we want it to improve . and what is the matter? well, of course, martial law, that is, a war of attrition, but the current composition of the supervisory board, in particular, does not correspond to the current legislation and the same principles of its family require the presence of independent members of supervisory boards , i.e. some politically dependent people

are er with yours , there are few people and this blocks the work of the great enterprise there er independence of members supervisory boards should be headed by a committee. for example , there with the appointment of rewards and the audit committee, they should approve the financial e-e plan . work and it is paid for, who are you and i as taxpayers? thank you, mr. vasyl, our time has come vasyl, the turn signal was on our air, this is an economist-case study of ukraine , three candidates of economic sciences we talked about the demands of the imf, the obligations of ukraine to the imf, the main e-lighthouses that must be fulfilled, and also about corporate governance, how ineffective it is in our country

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wallet, and informed means armed . watch the project of news of the economy with andrii yanitsky on weekdays at 8:10 on espresso. and that i was afraid that it would hurt, i was afraid of that later, when i had already crossed it and ran to the side of the road a little bit like that, there was a road like that , or after a little bit in the depths, then there was no such grass, everything was so much smoother, and i was still running and thinking so as not to run into any i wonder if it's a stretch mark, now it's as if it's deep, and then it seemed to me that

it was more well, not so shallow, and i put it on the ground in the accident, i myself stood on top of it to close it and, uh, i looked back at the car, uh, i don't have a husband i saw when they ran out, when i saw him lying behind the wheel, he was there, but his two feet were on the ground , they were standing, and he seemed to be lying like that on the passenger seat , the airbags, the safety eyes, they went off and they hung like curtains on the door. i didn't see it. i only saw him like that. but he was moving, i realized that he was also dead. i didn't stop to run up to him because i was afraid to leave varya alone, i was afraid that there must be landmines again, she could fall because she

was not sitting still well, i'm on the side of the road, i'm bleeding , but i don't feel anything at all , it doesn't hurt. i can only hear that it's warm. well and the blood is coming varvara was wearing such a golden jumpsuit and it was completely covered in blood, i didn't understand well , i if she was crying all over and screaming, i understood that if i type everything is fine, but i didn't understand that, well, that i have so much blood and literally two minutes later the car caught fire, i was there well, i am close enough to be afraid that it will blow up and it will also be some kind of explosive wave and i will be affected, that is, i was almost saying

goodbye to life every second. i guess it wasn't even scary, the only thing that worried me was that we were still so young , not ready to use, remembered 12 yes , how old are you, 21 desire, i dreamed of her in the basement at the very beginning, how i was, i dreamed of her when i was five years old and but we didn't we talked they didn't talk. she was just in the party, i saw her and i also dreamed of her, but it was here that i had such vague dreams that i forget them in the morning, that is, i dream of my husband more often

now, for some reason, no longer, for the whole month of september, but my daughter is very rare this is how the road went, and here it was about 50 meters, the road to this office was 200 meters away from the road, there was an office, they were dealing with seeds and these people from the berry region, the residents of the berry region, they worked there in this office. and it seemed to me that there must be somewhere some snipers and they will kill me now we are very afraid to go. i don't know why we have to look under our feet, and there was a lot of equipment

standing here. and this building was whole at that time , so it was almost whole , that is, it's not . i ran all over the building. and all along the corridor to the offices, well, right, left, there, at the entrance, there was an opening near those doors, but it was so big and

soft , and i fell on it. so i sit and blow smoke and i look at him like this, i understand that they are lying there, but i have no tears and i don't cry at all. i sit while she folded. i went to see where i could get a better place and found this room, this is the second window. here i see such rings, then i found toys in an accident they also had a phone so that she could play with something. well, they sat down in the passage and the draft was very strong. i asked her to close it so that while they were sleeping, i walked around the building looking for scissors to cut hair . i did not find scissors. i found

nail clippers and here are these probably 10 minutes with tongs because they have such thick hair. the accounting office is nearby, so i'm already welding in my arms. i went there and wanted to go in the door, but i felt that there was something nearby from below. i lowered my eyes and looked. it was a shepherd dog and it had no tail, that is, its eyes were burned. there was a wound and she was constantly touching this wound, barking and growling. and i'm standing, they are sniffing me, i understand that, that is , i even wondered to myself where such an analytical mindset came from. well, that is, yes i imagined that it was some kind of shark, and i had these thoughts in my head: if she were to attack

me, a child in my arms, and how should i fight her off , that is, i thought that it was possible to squeeze out her eyes , well, that's it. well, i've already come here. that is, she couldn't come in here, and even then i couldn't get out because this dog was always there. and i also gave sausages. she was lying there and she was constantly sitting under the hundred doors. well, after 40 days, i dreamed of a man, and i had a dream, as if we wanted to go somewhere together by car, and it went like this. i went to the car, it was raining so much with the price and i couldn't leave the house, uh, because i didn't have an umbrella, i don't remember, and he also

left without me, well, that is, i so in the morning i realized that it was just as if my soul had already said goodbye to me. this is the first half of march 6. it was a day like this, and it was already somewhere closer to noon and i heard automatic shots. this time i realized that the dog was also killed. they must have killed them because there are already those i saw when they were taking away , i looked out the window and saw u men in uniform, they were with red armbands, well, if i understood something right away , they were russian soldiers. i remember him opening my door, such a young soldier, but i don't remember whether he was saying that in the right way or

to someone behind his back because he's not at the door, and that's how the door is. and i'm like that. ugh, i'm sitting, i'm cooking and he says, he opens, he says, here, a girl with a child . well, to someone who came, my mother told me that when she was young, she went to some woman who was supposedly a fortune teller and said vorozhka told her that you will never regret that you gave birth to a girl, well, a daughter and my birth was like that, my mother did not have a very good relationship with my father. and she was thinking whether to give birth or not to give birth or not, and then i remembered these words and think well, if she said so, then i probably shouldn't die, and he

says we we will save you. we will save you now. we will take the child there and give them diapers. i thought they would bring me some normal uh-uh oh , excuse me, the hospital or something , and then one day i remember veronika a-ah comes home she says mom i bought you what if uh, this ring, that is, she didn't buy it just like that. and she knew alina, well taught me what it is. if such a charm is a talisman, she is. well, because she loved it very much, and she bought it for me and brought it to me, and i began to measure it on my finger and said that it is too big for me. i will

wear it on my keys. but at that moment, i ... if i didn't treat it as a talisman, that is, i hung it on my keys and walked with them like that, and when i no longer remember whether i got the keys on the side of the road or started watching the show here i saw the face and

it was so hard for me. well, i have such thoughts that i mean mine my daughter saved me, my son. well, i couldn’t save her. they are talking about something, but not in russian , not in ukrainian, i don’t know what language at all, and again at this moment i’m afraid. well, everything is now, well, i guess they’re going to shoot me somewhere, well, and then they’re going to take me, that’s just what it seems . be careful. children, and i go in, i see people standing, well, a man of 50, maybe a fire is burning, food is being cooked, and i’m walking, i’m in such an accident , i’m all covered in blood, here i am with this on my head and a bandage, there’s such a fingal under my eyes. and it was so dark that you could break your leg and it went on and on, people are sitting so tightly and i understand that well, it's not dark here at all as i

imagined it, and they brought this room to us and a woman, they were traveling with their husband, they wanted to go from chernihiv, they wanted to get to kyiv run away, but there, before reaching the berry grove, we came under fire, we came under fire, the man was killed, the child was killed by the elders , and she was injured and the baby was found in the state farm, they brought her here, the poor girl was wounded and

the wounded child was here and there , it seemed that it was all for a short time, it was all soon it will end here. the very next day, they put me there in that corner so that varya could lie down and it was much more comfortable there. i even sat here, the chair stood with its back against the wall and natasha was sitting, and between the chair and the wall there was such a--such a small distance. i could even put my feet in there sometimes, it was more comfortable to lie down. and in general, in the whole basement, i don’t know the exact number, there are probably about 100 children . well, they are aged from zero to 18 years old, because in our room a there were three little ones

under the age of three and i probably don't have nine children i remember, to be honest, they were counted because when they delivered some products there more well, so that there was not enough for only the children, then all this was counted so that everyone had an equal chance , here varya was trying to start walking, she was a year and a month old when we got here, but since there was simply no physical possibility to walk somewhere, of course, she never learned to walk, she already learned to walk much later, here galya was with her husband, their daughter daryna, here kostya with his wife ksenia and their children and kostya, he is

he brought me here, well, that is, a was dusted so that i was in this room, for which i am very grateful to him. because here it was more or less uh, calm , you know, this basement was so hot, then there were those buckets from the toilet where you went , dark, dirty, uh, pouties there, in which i i'm afraid. well, all this was so-so for me. well, i've already experienced it. it was only one place for me. it was all these conditions. i didn't care at all, and there was still a young mother, iryna. and in general, all 25 or 26 days 25 26 they broke through here she spent time sitting on a chair. and her

legs were just so swollen it was very difficult, they shot the third one, well, this one was shot here, the projectiles exploded with a projectile, this one was shot, they were shot only but we did not find his documents, they found, but they could dig up where he is not innocent , he was lying with his leg, so he was missing with us, they chopped it , shot it, it was given to me and this people died here on the 9th, 10th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 17th, 20th, they died, people could not stand it here, children made drawings like this, they watched the rocket, it was red, it was glowing, it was burning, how do they think a meteorite might fall with them