[000:00:00;00] lived with such corrupt various ideas there to trade somewhere there something er, some er , to put economic benefits in your pocket and think that nothing has ended, please look now in donbass at the results of all this in the territory of the city of bakhmut and here is mariupol and at the plant in bakhmutov and mariupol about the results of their economic cooperation. i think that these politicians have already looked and that it is even possible that some people understood something only late. and oh, and people, too. well, you understand the citizens. i don't know that they didn't know. this is because, in principle, citizens are everywhere , they form a general picture for them, the responsible political elite and all other elites

in our country, this responsible elite was just emerging , then it had no resources, then it could not reach out, then there were very few of them, and so on. that's why, by and large, i don't like people, although , to be honest, the instinct of self-preservation should have worked a little better back then in my 20s. that's why the most important thing was to understand the morality of the situation , too, because to understand the difference between morals of russia and morally normal states, that is, we also had such er, let's say, indifference to such moral issues when we looked at russia. how did she commit her crimes there, then in chechnya, then in georgia, then somewhere else? oh, murders abroad. that's right. people had to wash the city for themselves a little and understand who you are dealing with, natural thieves

. but uh, and in that, the head is of course responsible for those who were in high positions, who were called the political elite, and who got out there and did not meet those conditions by the way, yushchenko and tymoshenko have a huge responsibility, because they cynically cynically and senselessly slandered ukraine's clear chance to join nato after 2005. and criminally, i would say , but they started quarreling over some petty trifle for their own corrupt interests . and the most important vital interest of the country about er, well, to put it mildly, they screwed it up so as to say culturally, oh, i will remind you because one of our people is just a replica because i remember when a journalist came to boryspil airport when the ukrainian delegation returned from russia, they brought us this famous or infamous head of ukrenergo, and then they asked

the head of naftogaz in my opinion, or who they say, and what will be the price of gas for rossokrenergo? and he says, i don't remember who he was then. it was this head. yushchenko's naftogaz associate was called the mercedes cherry, as ivchenko, ivchenko, ivchenko, oleksiy irchenko, alyosha mercedes, because he had bought an armored mercedes there, and then he said that it doesn't matter to us how much rusokrenergo buys gas in russia, it matters to us how much sells it to us, that is, the corruption component was already so hidden from the audience , well, this is in addition to the fact that at that time there were completely different interests , what you say, mr. oleksandr, about the corruption moments, they were not a pity then, and it resulted in the fact that we are not in nato now please finish, because i snatched you away, well, that is, uh, the situation, in principle , was good for us several times in the early 2000s and in the 90s, for example, in the early 90s, when

kravchuk had already died yes, well, kuchma is still alive , but in fact he could not even have nuclear weapons surrendering and, er, postponing for some very long time, there is nuclear weapons to be negotiated and accession to nato and a lot of different things , there is nothing like that in them. not a single rivet to put for such a thing. the task is so ambitious, nor the desire to do it, nor any responsibility for it. there was nothing for that. kuchma is a billionaire now, and everything feels normal, he is back on the coast, he is engaged in scandinavian walking, as mykhailo tkach showed there , putting the country at risk of colossal , including the use of foreign nuclear weapons, about such cases uh-uh when ukraine in principle, i could huddle together and make some kind of positive decisions. during this decade after the 14th year

, unfortunately , we have not had such cases of rapid acceleration of accelerated movement towards nato, but not now in the near future sometimes, god willing, this chance will somehow open up for us in a much more serious way, because as of now, we have in principle a favorable geopolitical environment in the west of our country, if we do not count hungary and transnistria, and in general, a good geopolitical situation which radically different from the situation that was in ukraine in the 17th century, which was at the beginning of the 20th century, and so on. now we see that , well, if the support of ukraine and sympathy for ukraine and the popularity of ukraine in the world well, he adopted military-technical concrete and economic

in principle, they are serious about ukraine , so let's hope that in the near future the situation will change in our direction and we will get a positive result in our cooperation with nato. this is exactly what they write in the comments, and why is yarmak a traitor? prove it, so first of all, no one calls him a traitor. this is a person who is the president’s psychologist. it is a promotion that performs not these functions that are not prescribed in the law on the president, or let me remind you that the position of the head of the president is not prescribed. in the constitution, this is not a constitutional position . well, when a person stands in front of the chairman of the verkhovna rada at a meeting with biden, who is the second person in the state before the prime minister, and when the name is always written in front of everyone, well, that it looks a bit strange, i think that i am surprised that people are noticing me. well, i also want to ask why a person from the time of yanukovych, who solved the legal issue, let's say, mr. tatarov , i still have no questions about bakanov . well, why again, a person who defended ukraine from the first days, who was the buyer of the sbu was just talking about the possibility of a brazrad due to the dismissal of the bayonets, today he will stand behind the game for no apparent reason, well, it is about the colonel of the sbu, roman chervinsky, well, there are many questions about these questions, we do not have

answers, therefore, we say that there are certain questions , obviously these questions are also asked by our partners abroad, and here i will remind you of one moment when the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi, the commander -in-chief, arrived in connection with the invasion of britain, he was invited to british intelligence, then to a conversation with the head intelligence in the office when i really wanted to get to the fair, the british didn't let him in, that's why there are moments that need to be answered and in any case you can live like that. nobody says you can live and that's how someone will be gray as a cardinal, someone will take into account someone who will decide the issue like mr. tatarov behind everyone's back, it can still be, and then it's not about democracy, then go to russia to unite in a secret union and live and be happy then you are absolutely the same there ukrainian heroes abroad for we will play with ukrainian heroes without arguments, so the difference between us is that we are at war with russia. then the question arises . well, but about why people have the instinct of self-preservation. on march 2, 2022

, 85% of ukrainians were in favor of a survey. the accession of ukraine to nato and already on march 23 of the 23rd year, that is, when the russians left kyiv and many cities of ukraine , 82% of ukrainians were already driven away for joining nato. so i kind of think that after the war it might already be 72% because there will be no russians in our territory, it is related to the fact that people really react to the threat when it is big, then there is, but in any case, it is not the 17% that you talked about, well, we literally had 10 minutes then, and now yevhen wrote the question, and then the question itself was written. oleksandr was impressed by the nato summit in july in vilnius, we remember that vilnius and yanukovych also failed in this association with the eu. i hope that this will not happen now, but can ukraine, in the short time that remains, achieve some maximum benefits for itself from this july summit , yevgeny, please i would like one more small remark about what we have just now eh. i do not agree with the fact that in the early 90s we could

exchange everything eh for joining nato . at that time, the question of ukraine joining nato was not even a question of poland introduction and others the central european countries of the baltic countries were barely able to do so . therefore, it was necessary to provide. it was necessary to provide. lessons, as our other neighboring states have passed, this cannot be absolute , because

there are not so many countries with an absolutely continuous history of statehood on the european continent, but it is necessary take into account that is why we are actually now waging a war for independence. i think that this is true and the truth is bitter because this war began in the 31st year after the declaration of independence and this war will prove ukraine's place on the political map of europe and the world. here i have no doubts about the summit nato everything is simple here , i would advise volodymyr zelenskyi to declare right now that he is preparing for a trip to vilnius and that he intends to spend all his time in vilnius together with the minister of foreign affairs, let's say, on negotiations on strengthening positions of ukraine ukraine is now in such a situation when you allow yourself some public insults, public misunderstandings or something else, in my opinion, it simply has no

moral right. therefore, it must be taken into account . it must be worked with and it must be creatively implemented. ukraine has no right to afford to give passports, russian propaganda that we declare that what you have is not nato. this must be absolutely clear understanding. and besides, ukrainian government officials must now comply with the constitutional norm on european and euro-atlantic integration and in this context, i was frankly somewhat upset by the news from reuters that , according to the european union, ukraine fulfilled only two of the seven points for the start of negotiations with the european union, not for joining the eu, for the start of negotiations, our authorities told us completely opposite things that we are here

we will translate the last pieces of paper and start negotiations. if it will be the same, and you know, it will be a serious challenge, because there is a direct dependence , the less military and technical assistance of our allies, the more you can lose our defenders, and this is a very serious challenge, mr. oleksandr, now i have a question for you, if you have time. well, first of all, it is important that mr. president, commander-in-chief volodymyr zelenskyy fly to vilnius or come. says that he would not like to take part in a political spectacle , we already remember when he ignored the relevant meeting in london even before the beginning of the full-scale invasion, in my opinion , it was in london, and will it not be the same now history and why it is important for zelensky to come to vilnius and take part and with what to come , who can now add to him

? our troops will seriously push forward. we are from some directions or in some directions at once. this will be very serious. and it will mean that we will be given even more weapons, most likely. we need to understand this. as for personal presence, of course. and i think what it is it is necessary to do why because it will be such a dense communication of key leaders and dedicated to ukraine to generate of course it was not wrong despite even the predicted results of this summit e let's say we don't need to demonstrate anything to the world we have already demonstrated everything that is needed now we need concrete support from the west, including weapons and, first of all, probably with weapons , and i think that during the nato conference , some good

decisions will be made, because, well, just like that, nato cannot already leave without good solutions for ukraine, the summit in vilnius is geographically very close to us. in other words, our region actually says too much that no one will imitate it. yes, from the countries of eastern europe, on the contrary , it is increasing, including doctrinal changes in the military doctrine of nato that they will now defend every meter of territory there and not just there , so to speak can be achieved through personal meetings, that is, it is not a place for some people, for some people, there is a need to win

everything to the maximum . i think that our diplomats, to be honest, they know it very well. i think that they are very qualified people. contacts er, therefore, we will wait for a good development of events, er, no one in the world should be afraid, as i understood russia, now , despite these statements about nuclear weapons, the znakhov countries are not going to change more than when after the fact that the ukrainian soldiers of the regional air defense demonstrated the ability to shoot down super -duper russian missiles, about which they filmed many cartoons for a very long time, but ukraine actually tears off the mask from russia and its tricks , including from its weakness, the pump remains in us , well, literally in a minute i will ask a question and ask you to answer it, well, we understand why we need it, although on the other hand, now it is important to fight back and

win the enemy's territory literally wait a minute yevgeny and why do we need nato without ukraine , there is no integration project and actually, where is euro-atlantic or european integration, the largest country in europe without ukraine, it will not be complete, it is absolutely obvious well, every project still strives for maximum expansion - this obviously, this is to say to the prosthesis that without a democratic belarus there will be no safe europe, a democratic belarus will also integrate and moldova will cease to be neutral because our three states are now going through the process of completing the process the formation of a political nation, they are, accordingly, too. if you want, they are now on the bench of the spare integration processes, and it depends on us how long we will be on this bench, oleksandr, and your opinion. why

do i need nato? we need them too much in order not to fight on our territory defensively and that is, for the americans in order not to fight for the country for poland, and for norway, for finland, now from ukraine, the baltics, for romania, for bulgaria, and they need ukraine to be a member of nato, and before that it gave such good kicks to russian imperialism, which after that, he couldn't attack anyone, he wouldn't be able to. you know what a terrible story happened in finland. they looked through binoculars for a long time. they couldn't see the russian troops there on the border. all the regular russian troops who were stationed near finland died already in ukraine. that's how they have history. therefore, actually, our interests coincide. thank you very much . oleksandr palii was with us, a historian and a political scientist. evgeny magda is the executive director of the institute of world politics, and

mr. oleksandr, yevgeny, and writers who do everything else. they write interesting works on both historical and political topics, you know, at the very end i want to quote the words of johnson, who celebrated his 59th birthday yesterday, a man who radically influenced the course of the battle and the course of history in general at the beginning of great tuesday, we remember his active help, he came to he came to ukraine first, he didn't do everything, we had weapons , he supported us, he convinced us and what and this macron woke them up, i told them to wake up, this is a war, let's fight, they should send ukraine 400 helmets and communicate with putin at the kilometer table. yesterday he gave his speech on his birthday. he said this about ukrainians about ukraine . think about how much ukrainians could learn. if they had been taught just a year ago, i am sure that ukrainians will win. i know that they will win. they fight like lions for

their families for their country and the russians not i know that putin will lose these heroic soldiers are fighting for freedom for all of us they are fighting for peace and stability said boroz johnson and this is the answer to the question why should we be in nato we should believe in it we have to do everything for this, but we have to be responsible and meet nato standards not only in the military sense, although we also need to achieve many more results here, but also in terms of political and institutional democracy, because nato is a community of democratic states and there is no authoritarianism in ukraine it should not, like corruption on such a huge scale, because on a certain scale, corruption is always there and persists , the fungus is now not a problem, it is not a problem, it is death for

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