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to thank our defenders for the opportunity to do what they love for ukraine. they do not make special conditions for joining the of the north atlantic alliance and leaves the same requirements that were relevant for other countries that at one time or another became members of the north atlantic alliance. well, i will leave it to our guests who will professionally comment on this issue and tell us more . this is yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics yevgeny, i congratulate you. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. oleksandr palii is a historian and political scientist. they are also the author of a book about nato, which i remember reading 15 years ago. oleksandr, i congratulate you. i forgot exactly what the book is called. i have it. by the way, i even have your autograph at home, but it was back when the superficial council was running around with balls, nato was not needed, and some political forces that positioned themselves as very patriotic voted precisely against ukraine being uh

this is being taught, and what was it about - it was long ago in one word, i, we will talk about this mainly. why did biden set such a condition that there will be no special conditions for ukraine, and to expect that we will enter nato from some black entrance is not should we enter in the same way as everyone else and all the procedures that must be followed in order to become a full member of the north atlantic alliance must be followed , but before we start talking about this topic, i want you to comment on joseph biden's statement that was made today e- well, today was, well, at least we learned about it here in ukraine, because time is a little different between ukraine and the united states, a statement that has already scared many people. my friends and relatives say to me, well, what will happen now? nuclear war now all means that it is necessary from ukraine. joseph biden said that the use of tactical nuclear weapons is possible. well, what can be used

by russia in this war? tactical nuclear weapons. i would like you to explain today in i say to my wife that the statement of any politician is a political statement. it has a certain purpose, it does not always mean that it can happen, so it is necessary to look at why he made this statement and tried to somehow explain and reassure, but very often people do not understand what is a political statement, what is not a political statement, or is it not always what one or another politician says, it is so necessary and will happen, that's why i would like you to express your opinion about why right now joseph biden said this mr. yevgeny i think there are a number of reasons for this, on the one hand, such a reason is that

it is possible that the united states received some intelligence data about the preparation of russia for relevant actions, which may be a consequence . join our conversation and comment on this issue of the use of nuclear weapons, why did joseph baden make such a statement , why is it scary, you know? well, it is not scary, why does it make us take such statements seriously, because we remember very well how in january 2020 , joseph biden said about that putin, uh, no. on february 19, he said that putin decided to attack ukraine and on february 24 , he attacked, so when biden says something, you always have to treat it, well, at least accordingly and responsibly. russia backed into a corner, it has no way to restrain, well, let's say the entire restoration of world justice, they have essentially no advantages left except for nuclear weapons, and that's why

history for them is developing in such a way that they have only one way out to brandish these nuclear weapons or, in the last resort apply why in the last resort because it can be problematic for russia itself because the united states has repeatedly made it clear that it will not react with the use of conventional weapons a-at least we heard it many times they will use, well, they will react with the use of conventional weapons, that is, roughly speaking, tomahawk missiles, but on russian targets on the territory of ukraine, and maybe not only if the escalation goes further eh, so eh, you understand vanyok everyone there putin does not feel sorry for the territory of ukraine if

the russian army will be there, even destroyed on the territory of ukraine , putin reacts only to personal threats, if there are threats to him personally, to his bunker, then it’s another story. society is the same. so they don’t have any absolutely moral er cautions. well, we’ve already seen a lot of er cases and they talk about what they say if there is no russia , then let there be no and the whole world, that is, they will destroy everyone but it must be said that in fact putin is a coward, a coward, and this can be seen from his suitcases with shit from his desks from his bunker

and from his quarantine. of course, the use of nuclear is real of weapons, its probability will decrease. i believe that recently, during the last literally months, maybe a month , the probability of using nuclear weapons has decreased somewhat due to the fact that the means of air defense of ukraine, respectively , shoot down russian missiles eh and eh that as for the attacks on kiev, we saw that practically with 100 % effectiveness, this means that the use of tactical weapons through missiles is correspondingly reduced, and the probability that in the event of an explosion being shot down does not happen, it just happens, well, there is a small contamination of steamers there if such a nuclear missile is shot down in the air, but in russia, well, there are

other means of delivery of tectonic nuclear weapons, including artillery, so far they have not learned how to shoot them down, respectively. and of course, it has its own many different types of precautions and many problems for those who use it themselves, but they emphasize once again that it is possible to exclude this, we cannot rule it out, it will not give russia victory but it will be well , of course, it will be dramatic for us, it will be a different story of this war, in fact, yevgeny, then i would also like to ask you to complete your opinion regarding the same question. why did biden say this? how should ukrainians react to the statement of the american president regarding the use of tactical nuclear weapons? the risk is quite high now. the first thing is that the americans obviously have intelligence data on the accumulation of explosives at

the zaporizhia npp i think that this is one of the reasons , the second is that an artificial environmental disaster actually occurred at the kakhovsky hpp and in fact we had a place we were dealing with an actual nuclear explosion without application of a nuclear charge and this is well very i think the most telling moment in this in this case the third is that some uh they assume that this is connected with the visit of anthony blinkin to beijing and it is said to be such a signal to start conducting negotiations somehow introduce uh a certain er well, i don't know the component of er reconciliation for ukraine, but i don't think that this is a likely

scenario. well, and the fourth thing is that the combined tripod in such a way emphasizes the fact that russia is criminal. russia acts with criminal methods and this should be resisted as much as possible. to i will no longer ask about the visit and the results of blinken's visit to china. let's talk about it. my colleagues, because i want to talk in more detail about nato and the chances of ukraine getting some prospects for membership in the north atlantic alliance. explain more to our viewers. such an adult statement was made by joseph biden regarding the possibility of ukraine's chances of joining nato in a different way than all other countries. about blinkin's visit to china , one can only repeat the words of joseph biden. who said that blinkin did a good job and the result, in principle, is very positive for ukraine and also negative for russia, which was actually brought out in parentheses in a conversation between two world leaders who agree

to negotiate and somehow peacefully coexist in this difficult world. well, now i will quote about nato the statement made by biden at andrews air force base near washington he said yes, can ukraine or does he plan to facilitate ukraine's entry into nato the american president said no and explained no because they that is, we are ukrainians have to meet the same standards, so i'm not going to make it easy. i think they've done everything to demonstrate the ability to military coordination, but there is a whole problem . is their system safe, is it not corrupt, does it meet all the standards that every other nato country meets? i think that he can answer , but it is not automatically said by joseph biden p . oleksandr. please tell me about exactly what threats, risks and non-standards

biden is already talking about and which one exactly and what he you know, he actually said to the ukrainian authorities, giving such an answer to the dreams of individual politicians that we will somehow become nato members a-a i think the answers are that the united states is not immediately ready to extend nato security guarantees to the territory of ukraine this is actually an expected story, there is nothing new here, and he says that let's wait , let's figure out this issue of non-standards in ukraine. meaning nato guarantees or at least commensurate guarantees that nato will receive. therefore, this is not a question of reforms. well, please tell me. does anyone think that hungary has any

better reforms than ukraine or there? well , some countries, for example, on the balkan peninsula and so on, albania is possible and so on. that's why it's actually a question of what in the 90s and 2000s, when i, as you said , wrote my book, it was called why nato for ukraine then, uh, ukrainian politicians , even those who are running around with words now nato at that time they only smiled and uh when i i'm talking about the fact that ukraine should join nato, they didn't say which nato, so what in general , and so on, but this chance was lost, and now ukraine is paying for this because we had such a post genocidal leadership, and ukraine is paying a very heavy price in blood

the price for this. so the question here is not in our standards, of course, but in the fact that the united states, eh, understands that in the case of well , it will be necessary to use very risky tools, maybe not at once e stand up for ukraine and not only weapons and not only what is the problem with the expansion of nato? that's why the americans say yes, we give you all the means . and which ones do you want? deal with the russian occupiers, at least in your own territory, yes. when they will receive such a huge a-a for pizza, eh

, how do they say it in russian? yes, and then we, eh, over there in russia , the internal processes will begin accordingly. and we will calmly and joyfully welcome you to composition that you will be a new member, an honorary member, a meritorious member, to whom others will be compared, we will provide you with a bunch of bonuses , including economic ones, but uh , directly entering into a conflict with a nuclear state right now, and entering into such a conflict directly, that is, through providing the united states is not ready for guarantees to ukraine yet, but i think that, frankly, the situation can change at any moment, but now , for example, the patriots are demonstrating their super efficiency, and it seems to me that they seriously helped us and in general

helped the americans, they understood the effectiveness of their anti-missile system in them, it is multi -echeloned, their system consists of a grassroots level of such peters , then there is hmm, yes, such a tactical system , i am a missile, and then a global anti-missile system, an american strategic anti-missile defense system, and they understood that if at the grassroots level the patriots have the ability to shoot down the super-duper the best of the vaunted russian missiles, then the american continent, as of now , is not directly threatened by almost anything from russia speaking of all the more, with the development of american technologies, everything will speed up, and their development is not restrained by anything, and russian development is restrained by the poverty of their economy , the inefficiency of their sanctions, so these are two projections that say that the

american efficiency will now be increase the military, including the russian one most likely no and in connection with this a-a i think that in principle some politicians are american and from the republican camp from the democratic camp they can say that this is too much the policy that the administration is currently carrying out is irrelevant, it is too cautious that russia, in principle, no longer poses such a deadly threat to the united states and it is necessary to taste them more seriously and more strongly, especially since we have seen many times when america behaves decisively with the russians, then all these red lines are blurred and russia is closed. this is how it was with the red lines that putin drew from the very beginning and told take it away from here. yes, from eastern europe, on the contrary , the americans strengthened their presence there.

and including the direct presence of american troops now also in poland, ukraine, the baltic states in romania, including and so on, no one went anywhere, contrary to the nato media, after that there were red lines and where they said that there were supplies of stings, this is a big red line, then the insurgents set up artillery guns, then tanks, then, missiles, helicopters, himersi, and so on . and they were hysterical about each of these serious blood, the entry of ukraine into the need. this is also a red line that would be blurred, but there is, for sure , what you are talking about. that is why i wanted to mr. yevgena, do you know the salaries? i will announce the news that happened five days ago and surprised many that since the beginning of 2023, 653 humanitarian cargoes that passed through customs as humanitarian aid to the military have disappeared in ukraine. it's so simple, it's just one story

i am not talking about the dnipropetrovsk eyes, the stories about zaporizhian humanitarian women , there are wagons , some people got rich, eh. of kropyvnytskyi and the letovychs who fired rockets or found a person who attacked all these years is now behind bars, yesterday they extended his stay for playing in our country, the azov people are being tried in russia. our heroes are sitting for playing in ukraine. also behind bars and that's all in the united states of america they see, they saw eggs for 17 hryvnias, they see a lot of things and they continue to see and for some reason the ukrainian authorities have the idea that somehow everyone has it all close your eyes and that's what my father said about the possibility of building an automatic regime, he also meant that well, he is a politician who has been in politics since the time when volodymyr oleksandrovich was not born and his alter ego, mr. yarmak, he was already then

he was a senator, he went through it all, and when he comes to meetings, he sees a person with incomprehensible duties who is constantly ahead of the president, well, everyone understands all this too. please tell me, mr. yevgeny, in your opinion, whether biden really sent signals to the ukrainian authorities and said that friends while you you will not live according to european standards and everything that happens and what we seem to not notice will not happen . there is no need to dream too much because we know everything, we see everything, we understand everything and cover ourselves with blood and heroism people, despite the fact that everything would be fine with you all, it won't work out in any way, you won't get there , please, you know. political blog in world, therefore, it is necessary to really meet all standards, especially in the conditions

of the largest war in the world at the moment, and this requirement. it should show that nato is expanding, a witness, that is , the united states does not want to create a situation in which , in fact, i would say there will be a situation when ukraine is accepted into nato only e according to the principle, we are acting against putin. i think this is not quite the case, there are no such issues at the moment, and, accordingly, we must be a conscious member of the north atlantic

alliance, which is equal to all others, therefore in in this same context, there cannot be a situation when nato's fifth article on collective security does not work with regard to ukraine. as some of our high-ranking officials suggested that you accept us but say that nato's fifth article does not work. unfortunately, this cannot be the case, it will undermine the positions of the e.e. representatives of the north atlantic alliance, biden has a large-scale perspective regarding ukraine and he cannot afford to pretend that he does not know where it is on the map, so he will act as actively as possible and implement

steps aimed at increasing ukraine's chances of becoming a member of the north atlantic alliance. accordingly, i would like to remind you that next year the nato summit will be held in washington, and in november next year there will be presidential elections in which joseph biden plans to participate, and i personally do not rule out that biden will change his position if his sociology and political consultants will say that ukraine's accession to nato corresponds to the interests of the united states by the middle of 2024 , there may still be such a situation, but not we must forget that our relations with the north atlantic alliance are very reminiscent of a tale of a lost time and we must not complain about biden today, which he is not good for, do not ask him biden why we are not in nato, but we must

take measures to demonstrate the internal strength of our state because the war continues and regardless of what guarantees we will receive , we must be sure that we will succeed in many things, and we can see it, and let's not forget that the strongest army in europe, as of today, is the ukrainian it causes not only admiration, it also causes concern in some people because not everyone understands how the largest army in europe, which is managed by a political leadership with authoritarian tendencies, will act - this is a really significant challenge and we need to look at it exactly , we will break now not for a very short

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