[000:00:00;00] it is not possible for such an accident on such a large scale, unfortunately, now in ukraine , i mean no more risks for the health of the population , direct military actions of shelling others. it can be of such criminal importance for the health of the population. it can affect only the psychological attitude. thank you mark zaliznyak , a scientist at the institute of environmental radioactivity of the focus university, chernobyl liquidator , a long-term expert of the mgt from japan turned on important words, because there is really a lot of talk about this, and we have heard that it is so. unfortunately, there are cities such as energodar, such as nikopol, which will obviously fall into the zone of very serious radiation, but what they said is that other countries and

turkey is still under threat, at least the expert says that it is unlikely because all the rectors are already working, but only one and the power will not be so great. that is, it is not that you know we have already calmed down and we are so calm. this is something that we uh, unfortunately, we cannot influence, we can talk about it with experts , we can hope that our armed forces will do everything possible, a short but very important block of our program, where there will be spokesmen of various uhm groups of the armed forces of defense ukraine, we will learn information from different e-e points first -hand serhiy cherevaty, the spokesman of the eastern group of troops, you know i always like to start conversations with you and with any e-e spokesmen with such a question that we have a lot of different versions, uh, we all read telegrams, we all read and watch youtube, where there are versions , conspiracy theories, assumptions, and so on , and

so on and so on, it is important now to hear the information that is actually available. about our direction, literally the day before yesterday, we reported on it, er , the russians began to be more active in the direction of limon kupyan, they thanks to the collected by this mouth er storm z assault mouth storm z and other attached units tried to attack our positions 20 times the day before yesterday, but for several days in a row they have already tried this 10 times in this direction . they tried to storm our positions 559 times.

55 were wounded, and they were also destroyed as bmps, two hyacinth howitzers, b e dronkam , which was behind a lancet, a warehouse with ammunition and three cars that brought this ammunition, that is, the enemy is trying to be active there, but in the lymana kuplensk direction, the last three days, however receives a powerful retaliatory blow and bearing losses retreats without reaching any intermediate goal if we talk about the bakhmut direction next to the direction of our operational zone, then there is such a positional confrontation er-e there is not much or according to what was brought when it was when there were units of the uvagener criminal organization there four gods in one day

, the enemy attacked our positions with artillery 389 times twice, we destroyed 69 occupiers in this direction, 143 were fired at and one was taken prisoner, we also destroyed two self-propelled guns artillery acacia five guns of different types eh the pride of the occupiers 240 mm eh tulip by the way, the video is how it is destroyed hymers , you can watch the video of the commander of the group general syrian and also two two such as they are also very proud of these developments surveillance complexes murom pe and the irony is that we also have technical nuances here, but we can hear mr. chervato, you can hear us, serhiy. yes, i can hear you well, because here, er, they can see everything, it’s okay, it’s like we’re on the air, it’s only studios , well, sometimes the screen goes out and now we’ll technically, i wanted to correct this, you know what else i want to ask you about, one literal question, you have an important and difficult direction, because uh, we understand that today we are uh, all day on the internet discussing attacks on the chongar language , which includes the possibility of delivering

ammunition for the occupiers your direction is complicated by the fact that they have the whole of russia thousands of kilometers behind them in the east of ukraine, and they will always be able to find ways there to bring in ammunition and military, and how difficult is it in this direction, taking into account this to fight in the eastern direction well, given what you say, it is absolutely clear that all this time and until the big invasion from the 14th year and after that it was the most difficult direction because it was there that russia had the possibility of a direct invasion of such a yes and since the 14th year, she created these quasi-republics there, which were essentially a bridgehead for an attack on our country, where there were logistics warehouses, where the population was bombarded and the so-called army corps of

the first and second people's militia were also being prepared one of the key offensives in our country is therefore the most difficult and urgent direction and here the heaviest battles took place after the kyiv operation and the kharkiv operation russian regular troops suffered very heavy losses, it was the wagner group that was on their most active such a unit it was an association that could constantly attack us , and our soldiers and commanders destroyed it in essence, because of that , i think that it is still a heroic epic of the eastern front. the actions of our heroes, but they have already accomplished the impossible, they did not allow a breakthrough in the bakhmut region, they inflicted heavy losses there and essentially destroyed wagner. and before that, they led the kharkiv and lyman operations when no one

expected that we could advance. and we advanced, and i hope that our commanders the staffs are already working to surprise the unpleasant enemy in the future. thank you serhii cherevaty, the spokesman of the eastern group of forces , was with us and we will immediately add our next guest, this is valeriy shershen, the spokesman of the united of the press center of the defense forces of the tauriya direction. glory to ukraine and valery. please tell us how the offensive operation is taking place in the exact direction for which you are responsible . it is about zaporozhye. what obstacles are there? good evening. the tauriya direction defense forces continue to introduce offensive actions in the melitopol and berdyan directions . implement defense plans in our area of ​​responsibility, we are advancing to new frontiers, we are talking about measures at the tactical

level, the so-called alignment of the front during last day, the russian occupying forces attacked our positions in the tauri direction 29 times in total, in addition, they carried out 574 attacks using tankers , rocket salvo systems and barrel artillery most often and most intensively, the enemy attacked in the east of donetsk region in the area of ​​avdiyivka and maryinka, having received a decent repulse, retreated most importantly on our side, no losses of position were allowed during the past day, the defense forces of the tauriy direction had active artillery , artillery units executed 1,212 fire missions, among other things, as well as counter-battery combat in the previous period, units of the forward defense forces of the tauriy direction destroyed two air targets where unmanned aerial vehicles orlan-10 and zal , which performed a reconnaissance function, ready losses of the enemy in a day more than three companies and

also important from the summary and statistics of day we do not take damaged damaged number destroyed 21 units of weapons and military equipment we emphasize that the enemy lost one unit two s9 nona separately we highlight the fact that our units captured a t-80 tank very a valuable trophy that will now benefit the armed forces of ukraine, these are significant indicators, we inflict maximum losses on the enemy, gentlemen, one more clarification here, literally 10 minutes before your turn -on, we talked with mark zaliznyak, this is about the radioactivity of the environment, eh , naturally, we talked about the risks of blowing up the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and he said one thing, which seems to me to be very simple, but also a very important thing, that now it is very necessary and key in this story that the ukrainian

armed forces advance as soon as possible in side of the town of energodar, where the gas station is located, it was liberated and then it will be easier, so the risks will not go away but nevertheless , we will liberate the gas station, which in this direction , you can say, is an important direction of hostilities, this is the stronghold of the city of vasylivka counteroffensive actions are ongoing, there are certain successes, but there is more to say about them. well, it is too early, but we are waiting for rather optimistic news, and it must be said that after taking control of this settlement, the road to dniprorudne and further to energodar will open immediately. obvious goals, right where should we direct our contour offensive actions

actually on vasilis, we can talk about the fact that there the collaborators are already preparing to leave for our counterattacks on those southern sections of the front. oh, we can talk about the fact that someone there is saying that we are slow there we are moving, are we advancing, are we moving quickly or do we need to do it faster, but the most important thing here is that we are aware of all responsibility, we have a plan, it is being implemented, and our advance poses significant difficulties for the enemy, but they are forcing use the reserves, for example, from the second line of defense, they are demotivated and we use this. thank you. valery shershen was with you at the launch if you found the time. thank you, glory to ukraine. on the page it says big lviv

, it will appear after a certain time of our broadcast, we will definitely show it on the map, because really, right now, i also opened a google map for myself on your phone, and it's visible and clearly there it is clear why, when the armed forces of ukraine release vasylkov, he is really dniprorud and already energodar, who definitely needs to be released, especially considering the statements of russian propagandists that they are preparing to blow up the zaporizhia nuclear power plant, they should simply be deprived of any chance to do it in that way until it is occupied, it is clear that it is too early to talk about the risks even after the deoccupation of the energy donation, that they will disappear, this project speaks volumes lviv and we present guests in our studio so mykola veresen journalist, public and political figure volodymyr gulymak, reserve lieutenant colonel, military expert, diplomat, consul general

of ukraine in st. petersburg in 2017-2019, taras choli, serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine , by the way, oleg senyutka, people's deputy of ukraine , european solidarity mykhailo tsimbalyuk, also with us, people's deputy of the all-ukrainian union of ukraine and before we start the discussion with you, we will briefly introduce natalya humenyuk, she is the head of the president of the security and defense forces operational command south ms. natalya good evening, we know that there may be nuances with communication. the main thing is that we would, well , we see you, because they said that only telephone communication is possible. tell us what is happening in the southern direction from the point of view of offensive e-e actions of the defense forces of ukraine, and also that in the black sea you always report, unfortunately, it is not always pleasant, but always important and relevant information about the carriers of missile ships that

are in the black sea and can at any moment launch their missile attacks to threaten any point of ukraine, then in ukraine. i congratulate everyone, and i want to say that the situation with you is quite difficult and tense, and this is due to the fact that our active actions do not give rest to the enemy, and he is fussing and trying to find the most effective way for himself in order to have as few losses as possible, but we continue to cause emotions of loss, and the fact that at the moment there is such an operational informational pause in relation to the announcements of our victories means that the work is going on and it is simply not the time to talk about it talk as soon as possible. maybe we will definitely announce it. for now, we are talking about continuing the counter-battery fight in our area and this is causing losses

to the enemy in the heavy artillery with which he is hitting the e-e positions and on the peaceful settlements of the right bank and we continue then the enemy also goes in the direction of the kinburn spit, and from time to time reminds of his presence and hits the dnieper estuary so that it is not perceived as an open trade sea route for grain carriers from the mykolaiv oblast continues to attack, unfortunately, the kherson region, in particular, and in the residential quarters of the raid, a favorite target, they absolutely did not choose the direction of the fire, including the mortar , today they struck such an insidious blow precisely in the yard where the volunteers tried to help the people of kherson who were suffering, including from the consequences of that the disaster that was arranged to be solved by a man-made method by blowing up the kakhovskaya, does it concern the situation

in the seas in the seas it is more or less stable and currently there are seven ships in the black sea in the azov one he is busy exposing surface situation. and here in the sea among the ship group there is an underwater missile carrier with four missiles of the caliber type , and this indicates that the pile continues to hold the stress of a missile strike, that is, the presence of a missile carrier on combat duty in the launch zone is always an increased danger of the use of missiles and the caliber is a high-precision weapon, reminiscent of those launched from submarines, they are just more difficult to detect. and this is the tactic that the enemy has been trying to use as much as possible lately to complicate the work of our air defense, here is another question for mrs. natalya regarding the attack on the chingar bridge, how does it affect the activities of the occupying forces of the russian federation, and here two

directions of influence are obvious . in this case, the impossibility of using the bridge is an extension of a certain route , moreover, the detour runs closer to the position of the defense forces, and the second direction is a moral and psychological one, they felt that we could to get and this is also a very important moment in which they lose moral peace and the balance of this moral peace and material security, and in this case the imbalance that we provide them, this is the next step of our contourist. thank you natalya humenyuk , head of the press center of the security and defense forces operational command south was with us via skype and quickly shared information about the threat of a terrorist attack on the air force, such a headline, what

title do you see on our screens for our program, and there really is such a threat, but when we we are trying to talk about it live, it is not in any way to sow panic, to cause more fear in you , but on the contrary. that it is important for the world to hear that this is the threat we are really afraid of. and that's normal. when ukrainians are afraid that radioactive dust will fly here, let 's listen to volodymyr zelenskyi, what he said about loyalty to him or what the occupiers can blow up the soviet union regarding the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, i remind those who have forgotten this the most nuclear plant in europe, everyone in the world has all countries, all leaders know exactly what is happening there, russia uses the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant as an element in its

aggression, occupies the plant, covers the shelling of neighboring cities with it keeps weapons and military personnel there. now our intelligence has received information that russia is considering the scenario of a terrorist act at the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, a terrorist act with the release of radiation. they have prepared everything for this. sorry, i have had to remind you more than once that radiation does not know state borders. and you. whom it will hit is determined only by the direction of the wind, mr. mykola. i believe you. the first question is, what are your expectations from what you see, analyze, and well, here is the reaction of the world. i am more interested in whether we can i still hope that the western countries of europe and the united states of america will somehow restrain russia from such an act

. well, i guess i probably won't be liked by anyone here, for example, the president of ukraine, i almost 100 to 99.99 9 don't believe in anything. i just don't believe it will happen, because neither america nor europe will intervene here, they will intervene, but no one will listen to them, but china will definitely intervene, and for putin it is critically important, and china really does not want a nuclear disaster anywhere, that's why i don't want to i am convinced that a chain reaction can work, if they did not work it into a reaction. it is literally in a nuclear plant , which means that there will be a dirty bomb. as a professor from japan told you, this means that it will be really difficult very close there. 5 km 10 km, a dirty bomb is not

a bomb at all . this dust among the active dust which rises, well, it already depends. indeed, i agree with the expert here that where it will fly is not clear from the third party . it so happened that my father was the chief of the kingdom of heaven. there were four chiefs when the chernobyl nuclear power plant exploded, and he was the chief of ecology. we flew with him in they looked at chernobyl and talked about it with the experts in 1998. and when you start to understand it like that, well, first of all, there was a chain reaction at chernobyl. that is, there was a specific problem inside all the blocks, which is difficult for yourself imagine in zaporizhzhia because they were all created from odud on oboi on 7 47th - this is the most that can fly there well, like on

the towers in new york and crash and the chain reaction will not start under all conditions, therefore it is difficult to imagine it is a dirty bomb maybe but then the military question arises, i am not a military expert , but i have such a simple, very simple thought in my head . and they are under there the threat of medical so what is that about me? well, i have, as they say to the russians, yakir zayets, i have a lot of doubts . well, the fact that a year ago just can't be a little earlier for the information to start coming , first of all from britain, what he was told

, we will kill you, we will know where you are and will fly there. we don't scare anyone and you understand because he is so bunny-like and if i understood where he was born and where he grew up , this guy has a very simple formula. i was also a bully in my childhood . that will never show anything. if you are really pulling out bandits, you understand what you are doing. this is not a joke, this is a gun, this is death, and when a person has been screaming for a year and a half, and now he threw a bomb at you here, and he doesn't drop it for the second month, and the third, and the fifth. maybe i'm very optimistic i do not i say that i kind of want to be liked by the optimists for the russian side, but for them, the pessimists won't do it. they won't dare because china. i think that the chinese

zinn already told putin that you're fighting there , they're fighting for money, that is, we won't give money, we won't give weapons but don't forget that nuclear weapons are not a joke for china, this is really a red line , it's not a joke for europeans. i don't know. why is it that china wants to be in these five nuclear countries all its life and behave like it is in the five countries such as britain, america, and france at one time, the soviet star for gorbachev and for yeltsin, and he really does not want to spread nuclear weapons, because then his trump card is that he does not like india precisely because they also have it, he does not like, shall we say, israel, who also says that we are here, as vladimir himself said we don't have nuclear weapons, but if we have to, we'll use them. i think the best phrase in general is that's why he wants to be in the five

most powerful countries. i have it and i 'm a cool guy. somewhere something starts and he and i i am absolutely convinced that this is an important story for everyone, and putin understands. he now has such half-friends, the same china , iran, back and forth. but if it explodes, china will turn away and iran will be put under a lot of pressure , because everyone is afraid that he will have this and all they will see what it means when the crazy people from tehran have a nuclear bomb and then there will be no happy smiles there let's sign some kind of restriction come on come on no no it will be a much more serious matter that's why i don't think putin for sure he's crazy here it's very clear but not so much, or the generals will grab

your hand . well, people are still alive there, they are already families, and it’s still fifty. are ready to arrange ecological man-made disasters and today there was such a thing. well, it is not confirmed unofficial information that the russians produced daggers and they could be aimed at the dam in kryvyi rih, that is, they once again confirm that before at least they won't be stopped by environmental disasters. and now this is a question about the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and taras berezovets got involved with us, and before you appeared in the studio, he quite likely said that apparently putin may already have a ready decree regarding the use of tactical of nuclear weapons if the armed forces of ukraine and the defense forces manage to break through either in the donbass or to the crimea. how do you assess these risks? well, i probably still support

mr. mykola, because uh, nuclear weapons have always been uh, not so much a weapon as a means holding that's it always used as uh really yes yes yes such uh factor after which uh everything ends yes life ends and ends uh planet there and such others and uh on the other hand tactical nuclear weapons we are talking about it's the same, it's like a needle in its shell. yes, if you break it, it won't have any factors left in it and it 's going around just like a terrorist trying to scare, and we're hearing now from all cracks and crevices about nuclear weapons. a dirty bomb, a tactical nuclear weapon, that's what scares the world. and what scares is, well it is possible that you and others will be encouraged to make some concessions, because

we do not observe other factors in the russians today, that is, all their weapons, all missile systems, and so on , were vulnerable to pre-western weapons , they were vulnerable to the skills of our armed forces to neutralize, and therefore there remains something that is still unknown, something that has not yet been encountered . so, in principle, the defense doubts whether it will be able to resist or not . and what they say will not be such a disaster, but suddenly there will be. and you know in this doubt is exactly what prompts to uh the fact that there are certain pauses in the supply of weapons, which are connected with the fact that they do not want the west to deepen - to deepen this confrontation, this person does not want to escalate there and so on. that is, it is so final , the last chance, the last factor that he can still frighten

uh, he will drag it out, as it seems to me, well, from the point of view of logic, he needs to drag out the application as far as possible, because after it is used , there will be no deterrent factors. causes much more uh fears theoretically, although here in ukraine we have already been afraid, perhaps the better word is summer well, i will probably join my colleagues and say that this time is still rather a bluff because there are many even for putin himself and the russian authorities for many there are more risks from such a situation if it happened than any advantages, well, first of all, it will be a continuation and an increase of the ecological disaster that will affect not only the territory of ukraine, but the entire black sea basin and even such friends

as cardigan, that is, the last friends of putin who were in europe or somewhere in the global south and they simply will no longer have any moral reason to justify their one or another cooperation with the russian federation, this is the first, the second point is that, again, the troops that are around the energy donor and in the southern part are russian and i do not think that many of the military soldiers will want to stay in that territory if , god forbid, there is at least a hint that there was an explosion or a leak of radioactive substances at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, because we we remember very well how it was in 1976, how much it caused a huge panic among people. and people, uh, it's an invisible thing , radiation - it's something that we can't see, uh , putin is bluffing because he understands that sooner or later those forces which ukraine has accumulated in the southern direction, they will break through this