[000:00:00;00] thefts, they did not understand the enrichment of the military commissions and other things instead of talking about the army, its support and victory over the enemy, well, but such is life. thank you for being with us further in the espresso artery. my colleague from serhiy rudenko and the protek program . good evening. we are from ukraine glory to ukraine, this is a program, my name is serhiy rudenko . i congratulate everyone and wish you good health . at night, the ukrainian military shot down 13 cruise missiles and one reconnaissance drone. power plants, zelensky warns the world, the world, the world, the world, the world is weak, so far, russia is reacting to this by disrupting the production of weapons, there is talk of the production

of kolibri cruise missiles and drones, nato is preparing a summit in vilnius, the future of ukraine in the alliance is in question, and zelenskyi today assured that there will be no presidential elections in ukraine there will be weapons instead of diplomacy before the end of hostilities, russia is imposing its rules of the game on the world, the world is waiting for a solution , we will talk about this and other things during the next one, and i will start the program traditionally with information about the losses of the russian occupying forces in ukraine, 223,330 russians have already died in ukraine in the last day alone , the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 680 people since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 4,00017 tanks, 7,798 armored fighting

vehicles, 3,985 artillery systems, 617 rsv e 379 anti- of air defense 314 aircraft 307 helicopters 3447 drones 1214 cruise missiles 18 qatari ships 6708 units of automobile equipment and tankers 545 units of special equipment i would like to introduce our guest today - this politician-diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 volodymyr hryshko mr. volodymyr i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast good evening mr. serhiy i would like to convey my greetings to all dear e-e tv viewers, thank you mr. volodymyr , let's start our conversation with one of the central in my opinion, the topic

that is in ukraine today, that was this week, is nuclear weapons and nuclear danger in general, i would say that for ukraine, because on monday joseph biden announced that the russians really can to use tactical nuclear weapons. when the president of the united states of america, who has accurate information from his special services, is talking about this, it is obvious that it raises a lot of questions and many reflexes about it. at the same time, volodymyr zelenskyi says that the russians are preparing a terrorist attack on the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and warns the world about that this danger is real, because ukrainian intelligence and the ukrainian special services also say that the russians can strike the zaporizhia npp or at least blow up one of

reactors, according to you, did the world react properly to these two statements, because it is not only about ukraine, but also about the whole world, and you can say the same about the entire planet earth, this is true, mr. sergey, that is why it seems to me very important was the initiative of two us senators who proposed a draft resolution that clearly states that in the event of a nuclear attack or a nuclear terrorist attack by the russians, a cloud of radiation will reach the nato countries - it will have to be considered as actually a nuclear attack against a nato country, of course there is one point here. and if the cloud

of nato countries is not reached and remains in ukraine, will this not be enough? therefore, as always, there are somewhat double standards here, and that is why we need it. - without any doubts, er, not to knock on the door of nato, despite the fact that we should do the same, and what we should do, i mean in our internal affairs, because er, i will give it again and again. i remind you that does not join nato , does not join the country, so the question is of course interrelated, but it is related to what what is this character you are showing on the screen talking about, to be honest, i don't want to look at it, it also seems to me that it could be just provoked things

, in order to leak information. what the same american intelligence itself can calmly consume e check and in such a case it is almost impossible er this means that er it can be just a drain e necessary for information in order to raise degrees in order to er again and again er to speculate on it and say what uh we can go and for such a desperate step plus the transfer of nuclear weapons to belarus and the threats of this collective farm worker who somehow miraculously ended up in the position of president of the country and so on. i think it can be, so to speak, parallel so that to undermine everyone's hopes in the fact that we can hold on, that we will not back down , and so on, despite everything. i think that, after all, we must

give credit to the government that says, well, that no less informs citizens about what is necessary and what should not be done in the event of some force-pressed circumstances, but personally, i uh frankly speaking, i don't think that putin will cross this last red line, because it will mean his really, er, i think that the physical destruction , er, from the disappearance, because it's no accident that zelensky is already talking about it publicly, er, it means that er, in the world probably they also start to think about it, and then it is already the truth , which, as they say, nabila oskomino loves life very much

. he does not accept terror and does not go to any kind concessions to terrorists so that other terrorists do not arise after those already destroyed, and well, the question is completely understood here, because hmm, with regard to the zaporizhia nuclear power plant i mentioned, the russians have been controlling this zaporizhia nuclear power plant for 14 months , numerous delegations came to compete, who came here and looked at something there, considered how it works, did some certain conclusions it can explode, it cannot explode, especially after the explosion of the kakhov dam , there were many questions, but the main question in this situation, of course. is under the control of the permanent government, and the invaders entered the territory of ukraine, seized this station and will keep it, as far as i know, there has never been a similar incident in the history of mankind when

a terrorist holds an entire nuclear power plant and blackmails the whole world. there is a way to do it in such a way that russia lost there , it would lose all the contracts around the world, because they are being built, nuclear power plants earn a lot of money, why is there no adequate reaction, that is, this whole system that was built is not it works, that is, the shops are working and other structures that should monitor this are also not working, you see sergey, well, here i think that we cannot be blamed directly, because its functions are actually a little different, this is a specialized un structure that monitors

that -e nuclear power plants that were put into operation functioned normally so that no force majeure situations occurred at them, so that in the event that something happens, appropriate measures were taken so that the consequences of some environmental problems were or man-made problems were quickly eliminated, in one word, this is a technical structure that is not involved in the discussion of whether to build a nuclear power plant or not to build it, it was actually created only for analysis of what is happening at the ready-made atomic facilities and no more than that, can it affect rosatom losing its contracts? i think no, this is a matter for the countries

. it is a matter of bilateral relations between russia and by those and other countries that buy the services of the operator and it is because of this that ours is ours the country has already repeatedly raised the question of sanctions against the atom so that there are no such contracts in principle or that they are stopped and that there is a reorientation to, let's say others, nuclear fuel that is used by certain nuclear plants built by, say, russia, it is quite possible to conduct, i remind you with an american company , for example, offers e-e in its services and these services are absolutely real from the other side. a process that needs preparation, that needs finances, and so on, but this is realistic, so i think that in this case we do not need to rely on structures

that can help in some practical way , except that they will really drive around the summation and to say with the tongue what well yes here we still have the level of cooling water in this system more or less normal but we don't have one, what can we do , it's not our competence there and so on and so on that is here unfortunately we are far away to compete we will not go forward, the former president of georgia, mikhail saakashvili, wrote in his text on ukrainian pravda that putin is doing everything he has been doing in recent months, this is preparation for pressing the red button . saakashvili recalls that in 2009, at the munich security conference, he had dinner with an old friend, as he said richard goldrock and the first deputy state secretary at that time , bersum, who is now the director of the cia, and he then

said himself, quoting saakashvili, that obviously russia would do this in order to to take crimea from ukraine and then use nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of the ukrainian state, saakashvili says that these two interlocutors, two americans , just looked at him like a madman, because at that time georgia was already about the period of the war against russia august 2008, and they thought that it was just a syndrome in saakashvili. after this war, such a uh -huh is appropriate for russia. now saakashvili is talking about the fact that as soon as the ukrainians try to regain crimea, the russians can strike

a tactical nuclear weapon attack on the decision-making center in kyiv means the center of kyiv and, as saakashvili writes, a strike on one of the logistics centers on the territory of poland is also possible, because there are a lot of weapons and ideas, many humanitarians go through this center , how do you feel about such conclusions saakashvili and before such a development of events , i understand that the russians are obsessed and it is very difficult to predict their actions, especially after the explosion of the kakhov dam, but still, well, without rio, you see what saakashvili said to his to american interlocutors er, in the part that concerned crimea, i spoke to condoleezza rice in december 2008 er and convinced her that after all, american foreign policy should begin to look er with real eyes at what russia is and what it er is

in essence, then she answered me that well, i myself, uh, i can't imagine that russia can attack such a big country, ukraine, and then there were traditional uh, hopes that after all, well, russia uh has time to think, after all, there are still some signs of something democratic and we will work very hard to make russia a civilized state, well, it was a trend, this was the logic of the actions of our american friends, you see, it even continued after the 14th year. well, today there was very interesting information about how obama was explaining the appearance of russian troops in crimea, he said that there was no aggression there, well, it was just that some good boys really came. true, in uniform without

any signs of belonging to someone's or another army, they were captured public institutions well but what kind of service is it so uh it's just simple well that's how it turned out uh and everything is so clear in fact that what he said today he once again supported ms. merkel who and mr. sarkozy refused ukraine georgia uh uh, even getting the rights to more membership, that is, it is a kind of anteroom to nato, they didn’t even do it because that was uh, that was the understanding on the part of our western dear and not so partners of what russia is, they are little children who believed in a fairy tale about the fact that russia can be their ally well, i don't know what

supported this fairy tale in their heads, but they turned out to be absolute political losers and now and in the same president obama and the same beautiful merkel in the same president sarkozy and many, many others should be just uh, well, very, very shameful at least and they should apologize and not lie and invent some absolute differences that they are now starting to throw out in order to justify themselves in some way the same obama when russia actually started the war in syria and when acts took place in syria chemical genocide against the syrian people actually by the assad regime pretended that he would come to an agreement with russia and everything would be fine, well, we have seen the results of this agreement, you know, leaders like obama who rule the largest country, the most powerful country in the world, this is a very serious thing and if people who are weak-willed and characteristically spineless and so on get into such positions, then

the whole civilized world suffers from this. well , returning to the crimea, i think that as soon as all the chains will be destroyed supplies in the crimea and this will be done without a doubt and will be done i think in the near future the russians will do what they did in the kherson area, they will simply announce a gesture of goodwill and leave from there well, because from an objective point of view of sight eh to keep there troops eh to which it is not possible to supply ammunition eh to which it is not possible to arm other things or even food eh so sharp they really cannot work so either they will then be destroyed from the air

or they will then have to be removed at the same time which our dear experts are now paying attention to - this is the threat of a truly chemical terrorist act and everyone calls the factory in crimea titan, which actually produces reagents, which in case of what can be really dangerous if there is another provocation and this plant can be destroyed , you really need to think about the possible consequences, but the most important thing is to talk about it out loud, because it is a warning about a planned provocation or a terrorist attack this is very serious and an incentive for that

so that this terrorist act does not happen, volodymyr, you mentioned the resolution prepared by two american senators, republican harem and democrat richard blumenthal, but they want to equate the use of any nuclear weapon or the destruction of a nuclear facility on the territory of ukraine as an attack on nato and the use of of the 1st article of the north atlantic treaty eh well this will mean that in this way the united states of america eh american senators through the united states of america respectively eh propose eh to enter nato into the war if will the zaporizhia npp suddenly happen if we simplify the formula that they wrote out in this resolution, i understand correctly, well, there is one point that i paid attention to and it says that these are all

the restorations that are proposed by two senators, they will only then be applied in relation to russia, when the radioactive cloud ends up on the territory of a nato country, well, that is, it will go, let's say, in the direction of romania near bulgaria, it will go in the direction of poland well, well, if they blow up a nuclear plant and the wind will go not in the direction of romania, but in the direction of itself russia but it's the same will have terrible consequences for the territory of ukraine from our population, the fact that here then it turns out that there is no need for nato to do anything . that is, this is ukraine, let them kill each other there and it is normal. well, this is cynicism of the highest order , you understand, the very fact of using nuclear weapons is already a crime of the highest variety and there can be nothing else that can happen here, but in the case of if, then here already

if there are none if nuclear weapons are used or terrorist acts are committed and at a nuclear power station, this is already a direct declaration of war understanding of this word, therefore, i would very much advise that if this is a resolution, of course, it will pass first there and the corresponding other readings, that certain changes be made to it and that it be in such a wording that the very fact of a nuclear terrorist act or the use of tactical nuclear weapons will be considered as an attack on the territory of ukraine by nato whether this will happen hypothetically in ukraine or whether this crazy father wants to test it on the territory of belarus is of no importance the very fact of using nuclear weapons should be regarded as a declaration of war by nato, volodymyrets was visited

by the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony binken, this week in beijing. this is the first visit of the secretary of state and a high-ranking official of the united states of america in the last five years and during the term of office of joseph biden . it seems that this is the highest leader who visited referring to the highest political leader who visited china after the talks with xijinping, it seems that the chinese assured that they will not help and do not help russia with weapons in the war with ukraine at the same time today the new york times wrote about the fact that a chinese state-owned company delivered to the russian federation last year, not gunpowder, and it is about the fact that the chinese provided tens of thousands of tons of smokeless gunpowder to the russians by rail cars through trans-baikalsk , the destination was the paulsk cartridge factory, this amount of fuel is enough to

produce at least 18 million munitions , the publication writes, unregistered shipments were recently discovered by the us trade data aggregate imports, which studies imports of e-e including gunpowder, but if you add up the fact that blinken and biden are sending some signals to china, and on the other hand, the new york times writes about these tens of thousands of tons of smokeless gunpowder that the chinese allegedly tried to supply to russia without registration, or is it not will spoil it again well, the dialogue that began between the united states of america and china and how it will affect the russian-ukrainian war well, the fact that china is an ideological brother or sister of russia here i think we will not

doubt this in any way, unfortunately, these are two totalitarian states are two regimes that respect each other very much and, in principle , help each other, and i think they will continue to do so in the future. it's very good that it was successful , at least the american press, but i think that the american special services are behind it. to find out. this is such a specific moment. it is definitely uh, if it is confirmed, it will be uh, well, a big uh, uh, trouble for uh , the chinese, because the public statements of their leaders that they do not help russia in the war, that uh, they uh- e stand on the side of those who fight for

peace for the end of the war and so on, this will mean that this is just political rhetoric, but it is not true in any way , although we are the ones who say everything here . er, the degree of er tension in relations was growing, or to make it so that it was not noticed or, let's say, not noticed very much , taking into account some more global strategic er perspectives. if we talk about the latter , of course, it would be good for the americans if they could er- well, more or less at least to agree with china that they will compete, but

not to bring this competition to a boiling point when the relations between such two superpowers can go into an uncontrolled direction, and in relation to the fact that china in fact, he makes russia his vassal, that's it. well, as they say, it's a common place, we already talk about it, and it's been discussed. in this way , russia simply shows that without china, it is already worthless by itself, and i think that this in the context, well, this is, well, at least conditional uh rapprochement which is only now uh somewhere so planned in american-chinese relations again and again i show russia its second sordid and

maybe even very third hundredth place uh in this an important visit was this week, the prime minister of india on a rendering tour visited washington, had a conversation with president joseph biden, and of course the americans offered india technological and military-industrial cooperation, including the production of advanced american drones in india jet engines for fighters and observers say that india is a very important element of deterrence by the united states of china because the united states of america places some orders in india and gives india the opportunity to develop, we know that india is now trying to take advantage of the situation that has developed in russia - buys cheap oil from them, and

that's it, in this situation. do you think that the americans or the americans will offer india some elements of cooperation that would suit india and which would allow push china aside in this story. i think that this is exactly your question, it is a continuation of the previous one and why, actually, china has now made several, well, at least such public conciliatory statements regarding the fact that it will not help russia, that it is interested in - the development of bilateral normal cooperation with america and so on. well, because he perfectly sees what the americans are doing, and you asked now about india, and this is precisely a very, very serious

factor that will affect china , because the americans are actually pushing russia from the indian market, that is, if we remember that india for the past many years was a country where russia simply poured all its weapons and it was not about millions, but billions of dollars so imagine what will happen when india turns er into a biksha and russia will no longer have a certain element of influence on what is happening in india, and the supply of weapons has always been and will probably be a very serious element for a certain period of time when the country