[000:00:00;00] co-director of foreign policy programs of the international security center, razumkov, was on radio svoboda, thank you. the participants of the conference on the restoration of ukraine, which , i will remind you, lasted for the previous two days in a row, promised to provide kyiv with an additional 60 billion dollars for the reconstruction of ukraine. this is reported in the final document of the conference that came to london. the amount includes 50 billion euros from the european union fund, 1.3 billion dollars promised to be allocated by the united states and 3 billion credit guarantees from great britain, also about additional support in the amount of one and a half billion swedish swiss francs was announced by switzerland and these funds will be provided until 2027, in turn, france announced that it will allocate another 40 million euros to ukraine 23 in the 23rd year of this year, and in addition, about five hundred companies 42 countries of the world

pledged to support the recovery of ukraine, but in addition to optimistic forecasts , there were also specific remarks on the margins of the conference. well , for example, the head of the german foreign ministry elena o. corruption in order to join the european union, we will discuss the results of the conference on reconstruction in the future, volodymyr dubrovskyi, a senior economist from ukraine, joins the broadcast. good evening. good evening. here are your impressions of the conference itself. that i personally was not a participant in this conference and we will not see in the near future i mean in the upper few hours

the real results the real results exactly what was said from the big rostrum is mostly what was discussed in closed discussions , and it was there that the fate of this great aid that we should receive, not only the 60 billion, but all together, and precisely the impressions of the participants of the ukrainian participants and foreign ones who will soon, i hope, be counted somewhere in social networks and as columns in newspapers, but they will already be talking about something, what we have heard so far from the tribune is what they want to say openly, and most

of these cases are not solved so much yes, we are making sure that foreign investors are really interested in ukraine. that the partner unions are really interested in helping to support ukraine and rebuilding . what markers will there be so that we somehow, well , notice it? the interest is manifested in the very fact of holding this conference. i remind you that this is already the first time. the first conference was in lugano last year, and the fact that such prominent people gathered there already indicates that they are serious about this issue, but whether this restoration will be effective does not really depend on the number of investments that will come, the number of investments is secondary and not the most important thing - it is the creation of those conditions under which western business and domestic business will want to invest in ukraine in the future, by the way, this is the transformation that you just mentioned , that you mentioned

mrs. anna elena berbuk, but you don’t need to understand it , it’s so primitive as, unfortunately, in most of it . a small project with a strategy for such recovery, not simply with the help of specific reforms, but from studying the situation and creating a strategy. then this will be a signal for me that they understand that recovery must be approached seriously, and this is not something that is already written somewhere in some tablet. this is something that needs to be invented on the fly. especially since we do not know what state ukrainian society will be in after the war. if this is what it is to do, then many of these

billions will be lost, simply ineffectively spent or stolen. well, let me return to the words of analene berbok, the head of the ministry of foreign affairs. she said that well, if i am not verbatim. now i will say that it is necessary to end the 30-year tradition of nepotism. we have been told all these 30 years that in ukraine we need to speed up our movement towards some european values , a truly transparent business environment, economic freedoms and so on, but they are always like that.

years and they have led to very little. in fact, we need to study the situation. fortunately , there are already scientific approaches to the problems that she called the feudalism. populists will be in power all the time, who will offer simple solutions, not simple, wrong solutions to complex problems, etc. , this should be approached seriously, and until now , unfortunately, it was somehow perceived as something theoretical, abstract, let's get concrete project today and now this is not how it works, it should be a strategic program , because i really hope that since it is about such time horizons as until 2027 and so on

, then a gradual vision of what is needed is a strategic program, and not just support for individual projects, after all still wins the brains of our partners if we talk about which ones? well, as i voiced at the beginning and what sums are in question. this is so far preliminary. in the future, it will probably be more. if we talk about expenses and transparent expenses. who and in what way it should be controlled, and do you think it makes sense for the international partners who will give this money to control the process of its use, of course, they will not agree otherwise if they cannot control the process of use, but they are the second indisputable participant in this process is the ukrainian government and the third participant should be ukrainian business and civil

society, that is, it is very important that there is nothing for ukrainian business without ukrainian business as they say nothing about ukraine without ukraine. likewise, there should be such an approach here, as well as with respect to civil society . it should have, er, it is already ready for this , it seeks this, but it must be subject to control, including the distribution of money that will be allocated er, and here it is very it is important first, before allocating any big money, to research the situation and carefully develop the mechanisms, because these mechanisms are not trivial, it is not just that they gave the money and here some kind authorities distribute it as it should be, it is all much

more complicated. and in order for it to work, you have to do it first and then set up a feedback system. if you remember, we still had this idea transparently. i don't know how alive it is now. even during the war but she was very correct, it's a watch, it's a feedback mechanism, how to detect all the tricks that you often invent people in order to bypass this transparent mechanism of people, there are a lot of them, uh, at this very well, uh, in quotes, that's why they earn this must be approached seriously, because really any mechanism, no matter how perfect, it is studied over time and there are ways to encourage it. the last question is undoubtedly that on the sidelines of the london

conference, many people talked about the future membership of ukraine in the eu. what do you think if ukraine starts negotiations on membership and to what extent? the presence of ukraine in the eu somehow. more precisely, the european partners , who will accelerate ukraine on this path, to what extent they get more leverage on ukraine in this way, and including if we are talking about transparent the use of money, if at least the negotiations will start, they already have such important but the most important thing here is that i have a non-standard position, the most important thing is not to join the eu as soon as possible, but to create a european bureaucracy first , to adopt its european values, first of all, the rule of law, so that it is already in ukraine has established and worked, and only after that we can organize now a large part of european norms, which provide

for example a great discretion, that is, a great opportunity for officials to decide something at its own discretion in europe, in the countries of old europe, it is considered an advantage because it is common sense, it is flexibility, not all situations can be foreseen by law, we use it mostly in order to exercise such informal power over a business, including collecting some money from it in the form of bribes, and with people, simple people, not businessmen, the same situation, that is, before such norms ukraine will be cannonized, we must first come to a period there, we will have much more liberalization than now and there will be it is extremely critical that the discretion to reload a significant part of our state

apparatus, including the tax customs, the police, the prosecutor's office, the courts , so that they are ready to harmonize with such european legislation, if you are not ready, then ukraine and the eu will lose all these reforms which you have listed. so far it looks well, it is not that the mission is impossible , it can be accomplished, but in the very, very distant perspective , it is so at least so far it looks, thank you very much volodymyr dubrovskyi, senior economist-case ukraine was in touch with us thank you, vitaliy klitschko remains at least for the time being, the national security and defense council made a number of decisions at today's meeting, including the prosecution for the improper condition of shelters in ukraine and in the capital, earlier the secretary of the nbu , oleksiy danilov, did not rule out that at this meeting there will be personnel decisions were also adopted, and the media generally assumed that the president's office would probably dismiss vitaliy klitschko from the position

of head of the kmda, but this did not happen, another relationship between klitschko and the president's office worsened after, on june 1, a rocket attack near a clinic in the desnyan district of kyiv killed three people, including a nine-year-old girl who came to the shelter but could not get in . klitschko, in an exclusive interview with radio svoboda , literally stated today that he does not himself of responsibility, but he is also not ready to cede the seat of the chairman of the kmda, he says it is unconstitutional, the meeting of the national security and defense council has just ended, and i can state that the main news of this the meeting is that you were not dismissed from the position of the head of the kmda, how much was this decision expected or unexpected for you? the decision of the kyiv city mayor to dismiss the head of the kmda is actually a violation of the law. it is impossible to do

if we comply laws, and the key for us is the supremacy of the law, this cannot be done because the law on the capital states that the mayor of kyiv, elected by the community , must be appointed as the head of the kmda so that the executive and legislative branches of government in the city kyiv were united exclusively without the head of the kmda, the mayor has such a representative function, only to receive guests and to influence the processes that take place in the city in the capital . clarification of the constitutional court in 2001. the mayor of kyiv, elected by the people of kyiv, must be appointed by the head of the kmda , nevertheless, on june 21, you stated about political pressure, if

i quote you literally, you told someone to bite again to take control of the capital and my question is very simple, clear who is pressuring and in what way and why did you decide that this is political pressure well, first of all, i want to say that it starts in the 19th year, the accused and, er, in the past, the head of the president's office everyone saw how we had public debates on this topic, they did not end in anything - a large number of accusations , then several attempts on such cases, there were cases starting from points to points of heating, which was clearly responsible and which was

implemented at a large expense. and all these not supporting claims, not giving funds from nothing, the demands were big enough and in the city of kyiv, the situation is no worse, it is the same as it is throughout the country, and now this pressure has never decreased . and now another wave another wave in when people died, they began to grow into political confrontations, that is, people's grief, in order not to solve problems, they began to look for who is to blame. who specifically is exerting political pressure on you right now? can you name the last name, i can't name the last name, i can't name it as political pressure. i consider a large number of inspections to be exclusively politically motivated , because people come also about security

. by the way, i even joked when they come in full uniform with machine guns with with unloading with helmets into the building where most of the women work i say guys you went to bakhmut and probably got the addresses mixed up they come to extract the documents they do uh in the third circle and highlighting all this in in the media space, accusing accordingly, and then the question itself raises a lot of questions that well, everything that could be raised and it has already followed - in such a one, you know, such things can be traced in er time and er only the unification of all

political forces of all people is the key to our victory, but unfortunately we see that some political games have started once again, this is a very bad signal for the people inside the country and it is a very bad signal for our partners when the political showdowns if you need to further analyze this or that direction in order to hide, i am ready to answer these questions. why can't you name people who, from your point of view, are exerting political pressure on you ? you can use your health to put pressure on me, but i'm talking physically, er, and i'm talking about the system that's happening now, which is destroying the management system and

mudslinging begins, such things are deliberately raised in fact, they fall apart, well, later in the courts , but later it will be already later, there is uh, there is about politics. this is a joke. what do you have a daughter such a promiscuous girl says i don't have a daughter . please, uh, prove it. well, in the same way, it is necessary then prove it when accusations are made. and then you start to make excuses. you say that you are being pressured by the president's office . did someone from the president's office try to agree with you to find an understanding and somehow resolve these issues that have accumulated in the capital, in particular, with the shelters with the president's office in my place? on which there has been no contact for a long time with both mr. yermak and mr. zelenskyi, i talked on the phone

when the military administration was appointed, when the call was made - it was the beginning of march, the beginning of march, where they explained that martial law we want to appoint the head of the military the military administration of the military, on which issues there are no military personnel, there should not be professional people with military experience and the heads of the military administration, this is a very systemic thing in the conditions of martial law, the media in the president's office are thinking about the fact that not only you remove him from the position of the head of the kmda and also remove him from the position of the head of the kyiv city administration, this is serhiy popko. as far as i understand, he has not been removed from this position yet . tell me what kind of relationship you have with him and whether you are satisfied with his work. mr. folder i have known him

for a long time he is a professional military man, he was in the past the commander of the land forces of the country and a professional professional person, and i believe that he is in his position. i understand that even a lot of things that happened happened with the fact that the russians started using ballistic weapons when, after the announcement of the air alert and before the explosions in the city of kyiv, the northern minute passes, eh, this complicates the situation, so we made a decision that all eh bomb shelters or shelters should be open 24 hours at 7:00, that is, taking into account such new eh water as for the ass, eh, i have no comments regarding his professional qualities as

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in simple language, available to all viewers in the studio of iryna koval and for your attention news podsu news results of the week every saturday at 21:00 on espresso i welcome russian propagandists in my atmosphere i am trying to keep you informed about the dislocation of that disease so i am reporting two days ago they ran out of ukrainian counteroffensive, what happened? putin once again started mumbling something in front of people and said that no one is advancing anywhere. and who are the russian pro-landists to argue with him? that's why they

also rushed to tell that everything is over. kiev counteroffensive boxed in the near future in the combat operations of the armed forces of ukraine , there will be a break well, that is, the operation has passed. it turned out for those who died and say thank you to those who were elected with dignity today, well, the most important thing is to draw conclusions because everything is smooth, it never happens, it's one hundred percent , everything is beautiful, it's never smooth, it doesn't happen , you have to pick up your own corpses and everything will be fine also told some completely delusional story about 200 or so destroyed units of tanks, there is something else. well, everything is traditional for putin. 245 enemy tanks and approximately 678 armored vehicles of various types

are brought to the table of the president in secret. we took bakhmut, we let everyone go there with their backs, you remember it well so that they could see the real situation, we did it and no one ever talked about the destruction of a thousand tanks and armored vehicles, it’s just boguta, you don’t let anyone go there, they don’t show anything precisely because of that that there are colossal problems with the puck and gerasim's approach, a simple lie must be monstrous so that they believe it and engage in it, what happened is that the counterattack stopped and happened here , chongar is completely meaningless, such a word is in the ukrainian language, it's just that you hurt today, precisely on june 22, a hint of what, what, we also remember the expulsion, we started our kherson operation, then

kiev would have to carry out such actions to the antoniv bridge to a non-delayed response to the canon, we remember the puck, warned that the shelling of the territory outside the ied zone, including krym publikut is behind the attacks on the centers , as he expressed himself in decision-making in ukraine, so that we are waiting for the need. the border of crimea and the kherson region, we have no more enemies, we must wipe out all the land, we have superior tactical nuclear weapons, but it may already be enough, it may already be easy to penetrate everything, what the minister of defense said, it may make sense to do so that the west does not have the opportunity to strike they tighten

their belts , i'm not a military person, i don't understand anything , what will be our answer? we have to start fearing the next counteroffensive of the armed forces, even on vacation they didn't let me go quietly eh well, that's what they said. as for the second counteroffensive, which they are playing by the way, we said that the second counteroffensive should be followed by the first counteroffensive. western countries f16 fighter jets hit the mark, the first batches will begin to arrive only in the fall . he has been saying for the last time that probably before the autumn

there are no repeated counterattacks from the armed forces of ukraine, we do not have to wait now, it is very important to hold out, we will not allow more losses of a single square kilometer of territory, that is what is interesting, the armed forces of ukraine, according to their words, took a break, but the occupying armies of the russian federation must somehow strain so hard not to lose kilometers well, in short, comrade hodarenok probably has a suspicion that the occupiers will just start fleeing on their own well , of course they won't start, but he just doesn't believe in them well, and he can, it's such a simple hint from on the left side, what is all this talk about stopping and pausing? well, someone lied about something. i don't know, i'm not going to make things up now. but at the same time, skabeeva is also preparing for the second counteroffensive and the flight of planes, and it has started again. western aviation in 16 somehow decided, i mean putin's statement on the st. petersburg economic form when he