[000:00:00;00] made me even before the full-scale war. roman lived separately from his parents in kharkiv, but worked in the region a few kilometers from his parents' home, so he visited his relatives almost every day. roman says that the village where his parents lived was captured by the russians on february 24 almost immediately, and from there they shelled kharkiv due to constant shelling it was dangerous to evacuate from controlled ukraine only last year in the summer, roman's mother managed to leave the occupation in the direction of russia, while his father remained in the deep to protect not only his own house

, but also the neighbor's house the equipment was discovered behind one crop of property, and russia wanted a car. on august 14, just when anatoly was trying to stop the occupying marauders, he was arrested , the novel learned about it from fellow villagers . prisoners in september, as soon as the ukrainian troops liberated that part of kharkiv region from the occupiers , roman rushed to look for his father, and

some shzhivtsi stopped, so to speak, confirmed that they took out the military civilians to see about the abduction of the father, roman reported to all the relevant authorities , but he continued the search himself, so he found a man who had been in captivity for three months together with anatoly, this prisoner was released by the occupiers due to a serious illness , together with his father, he developed an oncological mole at that moment kavidomyy, it was said that he was in the basement, so that he walked on the roof, and four of them were given a loaf of bread , some bowl of slander, mmm, the former prisoner told that the russians suspected anatoly, in cooperation with the armed forces, it started with the fact that his phone started texting at the court, then mine. where

did i ask him not to go out to the basement, where they were hiding ? in the pre-trial detention center of the belgorod region. however, it is not known where anatoly is now. confirmation from the international committee of the red cross that anatoliy gangan was in russia was received in january, but since then there has been no information on where exactly the man is being held. human rights activist nataliya yashchuk says that such concealment is obviously another form of concealment.

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can be consumed greetings friends discussion studio as usual at this time on fridays and what we we love it very much because different opinions can be heard here you can argue here you can predict the development of events and usually what is discussed in these studios is very close to this sketch it will correspond in one way or another to the life that will soon it will appear in one or another episode, we decided today, you know what to talk about, we decided today to talk about the world around ukraine, how it has changed today , what processes are taking place in different countries and what they testify to, how they will affect the ukrainian-russian war, that's what it's about we decided to talk, let's have a lot of guests on all continents , and we understand that something has already happened, something is just being prepared, that's why we want

to talk with our guests with pleasure i present valentyn valeriy kolachok, political scientist, head of the center for public analysis of radio ugu tower. well, i think all our viewers recognized peterkul, director of programs at the school of ministers of the kyiv school of public administration, former deputy minister of economy of poland, former minister of labor of poland, he was the secretary of the polish delegation to nato . we congratulate you. good evening . so, the topic we wanted to discuss is very much. there is no need to talk, but ukraine is being talked about everywhere on all platforms, we understand these interesting stories there , the united states, china, they also cannot do without the issue of ukraine, but let's start with perhaps the most large-scale event of recent days, london , what do you think was heard in london and well, what should we expect from such a huge gathering, which discussed at such a large representative level what to do with ukraine and how to restore it? what should post-war

ukraine look like? what will happen to the zaporizhzhia npp, training is already taking place, they are thinking about money there in london and our delegations went there for money and it seems that they found this money, at least we listened to the prime minister of ukraine and they said that companies are ready to come here and the money is already there even some of them have been signed, so actually this is what it means . it is still not finished here. there may still be substances here, or they believe that they are holding the situation, that there will be no critical situation. let's go then. well, in general, you can build two versions or everything very good or extremely bad, because if they got together, they said, well, 60 billion was roughly drawn for us, so they signed it, they didn’t sign it, it was supposedly ok, but on the other hand, assessing the damage, 60 billion means little, where something was not agreed upon, the issue with the eu seems to me to be hanging

in the air at the moment, the meeting of the un security council on this issue, which has nothing to do with the united states of america and albania, has already ended or is ending, this is a very key moment, not for russia, not for ukraine , but for them. the london meeting proved to me personally that i am more inclined to think that everything is okay. everything is fine because specific ways, mechanisms, and volumes of money that will come in have not been said, only against who will be ready to invest, not to give, not to give , not to lend, to invest. investment as a trend there was a lot of talk, but everyone is waiting. well, good. we will raise the money. you give us some guarantees. well, there is the golden eagle element in this part. there are two questions. we will talk about investments when you decide. the issue of insurance and the issue of security should be on this background, i conclude for myself that the zaporizhia nuclear power plant is

rather now a very powerful international noise in order to and here is also interesting the context of why this is being done. what do you think you heard in london and, accordingly, for why is it being done and it will be? i think that what is happening in london is , first of all, what the president said that without the protection of business from the ukrainian official , nothing will happen and, in principle, this is the internal front for the restoration of ukraine 100 times more dangerous than the external one. because if we look at the external front, we look at south korea, the risks did not prevent us from becoming a successful country, and israel, look at it briefly , and the parisian without us knows how to calculate if there is a replaceable normal system that promotes development and visits the economy as a security lock.

-е с этой э-э э-э э-э не обня нас его обня and the president directly said this э -э э -э э-э э-э э-э э э э э э э э we are winning there and so on and so on and so on and so forth and all the students look at them as representatives of the crumpled system . good, my fish is. but if this situation will continue, what will change will be simple, because if there is systemic corruption, it means that our officials are the representatives of corruption. how do you say corruption? well , i would look at the president somehow differently. you know, it is necessary. and i already

they see a look i think really what the president is personally clean, i don’t believe that, the problem is with the friend. the problem is that there is also systemic corruption in the country , so who dilutes it is not the president’s head, so he is my boss , that’s the problem, that’s the problem of trust. the problem is that it will affect everything, security, security , money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money , money, money, etc. with whomever i didn't talk about specific people, i'm talking about

the yes system in which corruption is a lever of control in our country. it used to be a soviet film where one investigator they say that when moscow’s fur coat was glorified by london ’s, he says, and you say that they steal from them in london no less than ours , that’s about it, you know. well, corruption is everywhere in other words, eh, but you have to look at how much the state has now joined the work with do you understand anti-corruption, i think that there are righteous moments, also look at the last week, it was adopted eh i think it is an incredibly important law yes, the history of ukraine is always one of the moments . yes, there are positive moments

. there is a good law and it is being developed. the struggle is going on on this domestic front. ego of the day i think such a moment from which they will simply stop being shy about it speaks why watch if there are any decisions happening yes, the corrupt person is dependent on the state is what a non-corrupt person would not have signed is not the truth , secondly, look, it is not a system of corruption dark then why talk about the size of what will be given if it is immediately known what percentage will be the conversation there is a non-corruption why organize all lugano and london at all i think it is interested how did you say yes uh no only from one side, because it is difficult to infect one side, look, if we look at the principle, i will tell a joke, yes, but

the essence of international aid is that poor people from richer countries support the rich of people in painful countries, there is a law somewhere. it is clear. correctly, who is sitting now and watching this conversation? well, of course he votes for you, because after reading about the pans and about the drums and for the bomb shelters, he will of course say that corruption is of the right. and about weapons. well, about weapons here with it seems to me a case that needs to be understood because if this is what you are thinking about, then again, the evidence is on the table, and it is not on the table, neither in the congress, nor in the state department. we won't talk about it, otherwise we'll look like just, well, let it be empty like that, valentina wants

to connect, you can see that in the middle of the conversation, he got excited and started to answer. inclined to think that all these meetings are an attempt not to predict the future, that is, not what we will do if suddenly something happens. still, we want to see reality as it is, and in order for this reality to be the way we want to see it, we are ready to make certain efforts, so i, for example here it's not about prediction, it's about implementation, that is, they don't try to guess what will happen there, it's the first moment, the second moment, uh, in fact , south korea was asked here, so it's probably worth reminding that several presidents of south korea were convicted precisely for corruption, that's not started south korea to develop beautifully, this is one moment, the second moment is the wonderful book

jared diamond collapse, where he describes exactly how tncs behave in states where strong institutions of power go to institutions of power that are corrupt, and it turns out that in fact tncs mean that it is more uncomfortable to work where there are structures of vladislavshchyna , i.e. it is necessary to understand that corruption is actually an environment in which, in principle , business entities feel comfortable, sometimes even more comfortably than in the conditions of normally functioning state systems why because it's easier to bribe an environmental inspector than to really modernize the enterprise in accordance with environmental standards, well, that's me so succinctly , i can continue and for everything else for labor standards for labor safety well, and for many other norms that business in the civilized world must actually follow well, that is, if there is a list of e -e substances that are medical preparations written there, then it should correspond there. and in some countries, there can be anything in the pharmacy , they will give you an infusion and unfasten it in time

, such impressions are that corruption e-e, which is definitely everywhere in ukraine and er, this is not the only reason why, for example, in lugano or why , for example, in london . we do not have signed contracts there for handshakes . such a factory will be built there in vasilkiv region, such a factory will be built somewhere in mykolaiv region, and another such factory will be built there, you understand, well, the main reason is the war . well, let's talk about it. actually , there is only one reason, it is the correlation of risks and profits, er, business comes in and has the business is done in stable countries. well, on the condition that the potential risks do not exceed the potential profits, that is, when you can

take a risk. well, i don’t know how to earn a million 100%. we all behave in the same way that corruption is a universal explanation that can be explained by anything, but in fact , any universal explanation is false . well, because it is not verified, it is not falsified, well, that is, what happened corruption ? what happened at the end of the corridor that he is talking about piotr yesterday at the kyiv school of public administration of lara diamond yes, and the state of ford, god, er, peacock, about himself, er, democracy , corruption, etc. other countries will not fall apart because if you remove the mechanism of corruption , it is impossible to rule in ukraine without corruption, since there are no

legal things in it, the difference is that corruption in ukraine is a consequence without the function of governing the country, it is a phenomenon in itself this is not the main issue. we will not go to the point where corruption in ukraine will become the same phenomenon as in other countries . when we are on the same level, we talk about it all day. tak dalee tak dalee here are these two mechanisms is that the bad news , don't tell me, i'll start with the good, well, the good news is that the supreme commander-in-chief today personally announced that the military commissar, which was found in 3 million euros of an estate in spain, the bad news is that it reached the supreme commander and below him vertically, no one knows it, you understand, but this

means that everyone is fighting corruption equally , you understand, it was cool for me, it was partly no , what, what, what to the wives of the military commissars more precisely, the mother-in-law. yes, military commissars are not prohibited from having villas in marbella, that is, you have to understand here. i already mentioned this story when it was legal to write about the prevention of corruption. it was written there very interestingly. a certain amount, but these restrictions did not extend to close relatives , that is, if you give me mine, that is corruption. and if my grandmother gave me mine, then it is not corruption, and nobody asks the grandmother where she got it from. therefore, in fact, you have to understand that people want to fight with corruption so that it does not affect them, yes, that is, when i say that it is necessary to carry out a zero declaration in order to record, roughly speaking, the fortunes of who has what, so that later grandmothers do not appear

who have villas and immediately bring the fright of all grandmothers with all pitchforks and then a general declaration in order to make it clear what the delta of my enrichment is, it is necessary to make a transparent ownership structure, which is also not transparent in ukraine. i think you know this very well in the context of another discussion about the fact that the ultimate beneficiaries of the mass media you know how we fought then for this previous convocation and we came to what , in principle, to establish who the ultimate beneficiary is, it is unrealistic under our conditions, we are a country of brahmins. that is, these are people who are nothing own but manage a lot of things, whose car, well, some dude who gave me a ride, er, whose estate, well, they gave me to live in it, er, who was made public, even we ourselves were surprised by some surnames that came out there , well, the war changes that что во время вонее это то and the appearance is recognized as treason, and since i didn’t like

the phrase that my friend, the prosecutor, said, the problem is that changers are accused of theft, and thieves are not to blame for changes in this way. you see, i ’m a moron, i added that we i was listening to the discussion. i was wondering where we were going. well, let's roll back, because we started from london, yes. but we rolled back to corruption , we reached it and we are sitting on it. well, it really is such a prophet of society today. i agree, and it is everywhere, this is a story with, especially with well, it is indicative, but there were two comments, friends, let's remember from the deputy minister and from the spokeswoman and the joint command of the south that everything is okay , there are no questions according to formal signs, what was said, there really are no problems

i was in court, they take formal signs, well, wait, the investigation will find it, it will show, let's say, well, look in the papers, we already have the formality of any claims. but well, it is difficult not to accept it as a fact that really in ukraine in ukraine the management of the state mechanism is carried out to a large extent really thanks to corruption why why do you know what a map is because it is a symbol of corruption and covered a corruptor, a person suspected of corruption is so simple a product in ukraine, i conclude, it is adopted in our country in a single body called the parliament, let’s say well, it opened america yes, but all laws in the absolute majority contain these corruption mechanisms, corruption is legalized , unfortunately, and it is all adopted in the parliament, that’s why recent research as miss was no accident that 69%. it is necessary to disperse the verkhovna rada, because they are responsible for what is done in the verkhovna rada, and here it is a closed circle and we return to the base until the moment in which

the constitution we live today who will remember what is in the constitution we have now, which was before the reform of the fourth year in december , the corresponding changes to the law were adopted during the orange revolution, who is the author of this law, i don't remember kuchma medvedchuk and moroz , look, we leaned on corruption and it is clear that it is with us even during the war and this is a shameful phenomenon that the pilter said about. i think that this is a very important moment. because it is controlled by the opg and the main product of the opg, how to show the theory and it is always production without punishment production without punishment, see how much the case is accused of and so on, it ends in nothing , people want to punish, they really come up with

accusations that from the ceiling, from a light bulb , the guy got the award that was voted for, like , eh - well, well, i’m the last case. yes, in short, we get the result of such a well-known family as absurd accusations and the appearance of corruption, in fact, on issues of real corruption in poland, you don't need a person to prove that he is corrupt in order to remove him from office, because the main task of an official is to behave in this way in order to embarrass the citizens of the state. in ukraine, a man's right to office is a fundamental right. a man who protects the family with possible courts, i

do not have a boomerang to return after the decision of such a large court, it is just another fiosphere er, it just leads to the fact that people see the internet, i believe their state, yes, they must be removed because the trust of the state is a key value , i can say it because valentin now one second because i was caught in one phrase , i agree with everything what you said peter and i will subscribe to everything, except for one thing: you said that statehood is plywood, but there can be no plywood statehood, and in a country in which the ukrainian troops chased these guys from kyiv, they don’t bake them here. but this isn’t the youtube of these guys, or is it ours now? the troops are already choosing those territories that have already been occupied since the 14th year are fighting now. that is, this is not a plywood statehood. you understand, i know you well and

respect you. i am not offended, i do not allow myself to be offended by this. we have come to this, you see. in all the moments where the state slips, there are people who solve the issues because of it. how long do you think the prosecutor will last in his position, in what content will he actually start fighting uh-uh crime under such a model, when will it appear the first article in the press that he is corrupt, when will the first public activists appear who will tell that he is 100% corrupt. i'm telling you very quickly and that's exactly what they will be financed and paid for timi by the dudes with whom he will fight, you need to understand one simple truth that ukrainians fundamentally do not want to understand, the reputation of a public person is formed by a non-public person , it is in the hands of those who have the appropriate media tools, that is, you need to understand that if you will behave normally in principle then this absolutely does not guarantee what they say to you