[000:00:00;00] well, which was obviously intended to protect the city from the wagnerites, but the attention got stuck in the gates of the circus and here it is simply without comments . we continue to monitor. we will meet after dinner, please wait further . verdict serhiy rudenko the word for ukraine is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko greetings to everyone and i wish you good health , the ukrainian military shot down 13 cruise missiles and one reconnaissance drone at night , the air force of the armed forces of ukraine reports a terrorist attack at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, zelensky warns the world the world the world the world the world is weak so far russia is reacting to this by disrupting the production of weapons there is talk of the production of kolibri cruise missiles and drones nato is preparing a summit in

vilnius the future of ukraine in the alliance is in question and zelensky today assured that there will be no presidential elections in ukraine until the end of hostilities weapons instead of diplomacy, russia imposes its rules of the game on the world, the world is waiting for a solution , we will talk about this and other things over the next year, i will start the program traditionally with information about the losses of russian occupation troops in ukraine, in ukraine, 223,330 russians have already died in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 680 people since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 4,00017 tanks, 7,798 armored fighting vehicles, 3,985 artillery systems

, 617 rsv e, 379 means of anti-aircraft defense, 314 aircraft 307 helicopters, 3,447 drones, 1,214 cruise missiles, 18 qatari ships, 6,708 vehicles and tankers, 545 special vehicles , i would like to introduce our guest today. - this is a politician-diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 volodymyr hryshko mr. volodymyr i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast good evening mr. serhiy i want to convey everything to our dear tv viewers thank you mr. volodymyr let's start our conversation with one of the central as for me, the topic that is in ukraine today, that was this week, it is nuclear weapons and nuclear danger in general, i would say so

for ukraine, because on monday joseph biden announced that the russians really can to use tactical nuclear weapons. when the president of the united states of america, who has accurate information from his special services, talks about it, it obviously raises a lot of questions and reflexes about it. at the same time, volodymyr zelenskyi says that the russians are preparing a terrorist attack on the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and warns the world about that this danger is real, because ukrainian intelligence and the ukrainian special services also say that the russians can strike the zaporizhzhia npp or at least blow up one of reactors, according to you, did the world react properly to these two statements, because

it is not only about ukraine, but also about the whole world, and you can say the same about the entire planet earth, this is true, mr. sergey, that is why it seems to me very important was the initiative of two us senators, who did not propose a draft resolution, which clearly stated that in the event that, as a result of a nuclear attack or a nuclear terrorist act by the russians, a cloud of radiation reaches nato countries, it is necessary will er-e be treated as er-e effectively a nuclear attack against a nato country, of course there is one point here. and if the cloud of the nato country is not reached and remains in ukraine, will this not be enough

? therefore, as always, there are somewhat double standards here , and that is why we need it. without any doubts, uh, don't knock on nato's door, because we have to do the same thing, and what we have to do, i mean in our internal affairs, because uh, i'll give it again and again. i remind you that nato does not enter the country does not enter the country, therefore the question is of course interconnected, but it is related to the fact that what is this character you are showing on the screen talking about, to be honest, i don't want to look at it, it also seems to me that it could be just provoked things , in order to leak information. what the same

american intelligence itself can calmly consume e check and in such a case it is practically impossible er this means that er it can be just a drain e needed for information in order to raise degrees in order to er again and again er on to speculate and say what uh can we go and genetics, a desperate step, plus the transfer of nuclear weapons to belarus, threats of this collective farm worker, who somehow miraculously ended up in the position of the country's president, and so on. in all the fact that we can hold on, that we will not back down, and so on, despite everything. i think that, after all, we must give credit to the government that says, well, that

no less informs citizens about what should and what should not be done er, in the case of some force-pressed circumstances, but personally, i er frankly speaking, i don't think that putin will cross this last red line, because it will mean his really, er, i think that physical destruction , er, disappearance, because it's no coincidence that zelensky is already talking about this publicly, er, this means that er, in the world, probably they also start to think about it, and then it’s already the truth that, as they say, nabila oskomino loves life very much . terror does not perceive and does not go to any

concessions to terrorists so that other terrorists do not arise after those already destroyed, and well, the question is completely understood here, because hmm, with regard to the zaporizhia nuclear power plant i mentioned, the russians have been controlling this zaporizhia nuclear power plant for 14 months , numerous delegations came to compete, who came here and looked at something there, considered how it works, did some certain conclusions it can explode, it cannot explode, especially after the explosion of the kakhov dam , there were many questions, but the main question in this situation, of course. is under the control of the permanent government, and the invaders entered the territory of ukraine, seized this station and will keep it, as far as i know, there has never been a similar incident in the history of mankind when a terrorist holds an entire nuclear

power plant and blackmails the whole world. there is a way to do it in such a way that, well, if russia lost there , it would lose all the contracts around the world, because they are being built, nuclear power plants earn a lot of money. why is there no adequate reaction, that is, this whole system that was built is not it works, that is, the shops are working and other structures that were supposed to monitor this are also not working, you see sergey, well, here i think that we cannot be directly blamed because its functions are actually a little different, it is a specialized un structure that monitors that e-

e nuclear power plants that are put into operation functioned normally so that no e-e force majeure situations e-e occurred on them so that in the event that something happens, appropriate measures were taken so that the consequences of some e-e environmental problems were or man-made problems were quickly eliminated, in one word, this is a technical structure that is not involved in the discussion of whether to build a nuclear plant or not to build it, it was created actually only for analysis of what is happening at ready-made nuclear facilities and nothing more than that, can it affect rosatom losing its contracts, i think no, this is a matter of the countries, it is a matter of bilateral relations between russia and some countries that buy services

by seedlings and it is precisely because of this that our country is already has repeatedly raised the question of sanctions against the atom so that there are no such contracts in principle or that they are stopped and that there is a reorientation to , let's say others, nuclear fuel that is used by certain nuclear plants built by, say, russia, it is quite possible that westinghouse, an american company, for example, offers e.e. in their services and these services are absolutely real on the other hand. of course , to do this in six months or even in a year is an extremely complex technical process that requires preparation that requires finances from this other and this other, but it is realistic , so i think that in this case we can count on structures that can help in some practical way, in addition

to the fact that they will really drive around and say what the level of the cooling water in this system is more or less normal, but we are not allowed to do it, what can we do, it is not our competence there and so on. and so on , that is, here. unfortunately, we have a long way to go. wrote in his text on ukrainian pravda that putin is doing everything he has been doing in recent months is preparing to press the red button. saakashvili recalls that in 2009, at the munich security conference, he had dinner with an old friend, as he said, richard goldrock and the first deputy secretary of state at the time bersum, who is now the director of the cia, and he then said himself, quoting saakashvili, that apparently russia

would do this in order to cut off crimea from ukraine and then use nuclear weapons, tactical nuclear weapons, on the territory the ukrainian state tells saakashvili that these two interlocutors, two americans, simply looked at him as if he were crazy , because at that time georgia was already talking about the period of the war against russia in august 2008, and they thought that this was just a syndrome in saakashvili . after this war, such a saakashvili, who corresponds to russia, now says that as soon as the ukrainians try to regain crimea and the russians can strike a tactical nuclear weapon on the center of decision-making in kyiv, he means the center of kyiv and

it is also possible, as saakashvili writes, on one of the logistics centers on the territory of poland, because there are a lot of weapons and ideas, many humanitarians go through this center , how do you feel about such conclusions saakashvili and such a development of events? i understand that the russians are obsessed and it is very difficult to gnosis their actions, especially after the blowing up of the kakhov dam, but still. well, without rio, you see what saakashvili said to his american interlocutors, in the part that related to crimea, i spoke to rice in december 2008 and convinced her so that after all, american foreign policy begins to look with er real eyes at what russia is and what it er is in its essence , then she answered me that well, i myself er, i

can't imagine that russia can to attack such a big country, ukraine, well, there were still traditional hopes that after all , well, russia has time to think, after all, there are still some signs of something democratic, and we will work very hard to russia became a civilized state, well, it was a trend , this was the logic of the actions of our americans you see, friends, even it continued after the 14th year. well, today there was very interesting information about how obama explained the appearance of russian troops in crimea, he said that there was nothing there , no aggression, well, this some good boys just really came, the truth is in uniform without any signs

of belonging to someone's or another army, they were captured by state institutions well, what kind of service is it so uh, it's just simple well, that's how it turned out uh and on everything so clearly, in fact, what is what he is today spoke up, he once again supported mrs. merkel, who with mr. sarkozy denied ukraine, georgia, er, er, even obtaining the largest membership. that is, it is a kind of anteroom to nato , they didn't even do that because it was like that understanding on the part of our western dear and not so partners of what russia is, they are little children who believed in the fairy tale that russia could be their ally. well, i don’t know what supported this fairy tale in their heads, but they turned out to be absolutely political losers even now and in the same president

obama and the same beautiful merkel to the same president sarkozy and many, many others should just be very, very ashamed at least and they should apologize and not lie and invent some absolute differences that they are now beginning to throw out in order to how can the same obama justify himself when russia actually started a war in syria and when acts of chemical genocide against the syrian people by the assad regime took place in syria , he pretended that he would come to an agreement with russia and everything will be fine, well, we have seen the results of this agreement, you know, leaders like obama, who rule the largest country, the most powerful country in the world, this is a very serious thing, if such positions are filled with people who are weak-willed , without character, spineless, and so on, then the whole civilized world suffers from this. well, returning to crimea i think that

uh as soon as uh will be destroyed all uh supply chains in crimea and this will be done without a doubt and will be done i think in the near future uh the russians will do what they did in the kherson area, they will simply announce a gesture of good will and leave there. well, because from an objective point of view, keeping troops there that cannot be supplied with ammunition that cannot be supplied they can’t really work in such a sharp way. so either they will be destroyed from the air or they will have to be removed. the only point that

our dear experts are now paying attention to is this is a threat everyone calls it a truly chemical terrorist act uh, for uh, a factory in the crimea for titan , which uh, actually produces uh, well, reagents that can be really dangerous if uh, some kind of provocation happens, and this plant can be uh, destroyed, here we have to really think about the possible consequences but the most important thing is to talk about it out loud, because it is a warning about a planned provocation or a terrorist attack. this is very serious and an incentive

to prevent this terrorist attack from happening. this is the harem resp democrat richard blumenthal, but they want to equate the use of any nuclear weapons or the destruction of a nuclear facility on the territory of ukraine as an attack on nato and the application of the fifth article of the north atlantic treaty. the united states of america, well, american senators through the united states of america , respectively, propose to enter nato into the war. if suddenly something happens to the zaporizhzhia npp, if you simplify this formula that they wrote in this resolution, that's right. i understand, well, there is one point that i drew attention to, and it says that all the restorations proposed by the two senators will only be applied

to russia when the radioactive cloud is on the territory of a nato country, that is, it will go, let's say there it will go in the direction of romania, it will go in the direction of bulgaria, it will go in the direction of poland. well, if they blow up the nuclear plant and the wind will go, not in the direction of romania, but in the direction of russia itself . but this will also have terrible consequences for the territory of ukraine for our population. that then it turns out that you don't need to do anything too much. that is, this is ukraine , let them kill each other there and it's normal. well, this is cynicism of the highest order, you understand, the very fact of using nuclear weapons is already a crime of the highest kind, and it can no longer be here nothing. what else can happen, but in the case of if, then here already if there are none if nuclear weapons are used or

a terrorist act is committed at a nuclear plant, this is already a declaration of war in the literal sense of the word, so i would highly recommend that... if this resolution will of course pass first there and the corresponding other readings so that certain changes are made to it and that it is in such a wording that the very fact of a nuclear terrorist act or the use of tactical nuclear weapons will be considered as an attack on the territory of ukraine, nato. will this happen? of a hypothetical in ukraine or whether this crazy father wants to test this on the territory of belarus is of no importance , the very fact of using nuclear weapons should be regarded as a declaration of war by nato, mr. volodymyrets visited beijing this week the secretary of state of the united states of america anthony blinken is the first visit of the secretary of state and in general a high-ranking official

of the united states of america in the last 5 years and during the term of office of joseph biden. it seems that this is the highest leader who visited, well, it is meant the highest political leader who visited china after the xijinping negotiations . it seems that the chinese have assured that they will not help and do not help russia with weapons in the war with ukraine . the russian federation. last year, it was not gunpowder and we are talking about the fact that tens of thousands of tons of smokeless gunpowder were delivered by the chinese to the russians by rail cars through transbaikalsk. the destination was the barnau patrol plant. this amount of fuel is enough to produce at least 18 million

rounds of ammunition. trade data import, which is engaged in the study of the import of e-e, including gunpowder , if you add up the fact that blinken and biden are sending some signals to china, and on the other hand the new york times writes about these tens of thousands of tons of smokeless powder that the chinese apparently tried to supply to russia without being registered. will it spoil it again? well, the dialogue that began between the united states of america and china and how it will affect the russian-ukrainian war well, china is the ideological brother or sister of russia here. i think we will not doubt this in any way, unfortunately, these are two totalitarian states, these are two regimes that

respect each other very much and, in principle, help each other. one and i think i will do it it's very good that it was successful in the future. well, at least the american press. but i think that the american special services are behind it. let's find out. this is such a specific moment. it's definitely uh. if it is confirmed, it will be uh, well, big. it is a nuisance for the chinese because the public statements of their leaders that they are not helping russia in the war that they are standing on the side of those who are fighting for peace for the end of free and so on will mean that on it's just her political rhetoric, but

it's not the truth in any way, although that's all i think it depends on what political decision will be made in washington , whether to use this fact in order to increase the degree of tension in relations , or to make it so that it is not noticed or , let's say, not noticed very much, taking into account some more global strategic prospects if we talk about the latter, of course it would be good for the americans if they could more or less at least agree with china that they will compete but not bring this competition to a fever pitch boiling points when on

relations between such two powerful states can turn into an unmanageable course, and in relation to the fact that china is actually making russia its vassal, that is already well , as they say, the common place has already been spoken about and it was negotiated in this way. russia simply shows that without china it is already worthless by itself, and i think that in this context, well, this is, well, at least a conditional rapprochement, which is only now being planned somewhere in america -in chinese relations , i show russia its second weak point again and again maybe even a very third place in this e-e. at the world e-e in the world schedule of political forces, another important visit was

this week, the prime minister of india on a render-mode visited washington, had a conversation with president joseph biden and, of course, the americans offered india technological and military-industrial cooperation , in particular, the production in india of advanced american unmanned jet engines for fighter jets, and observers say that india is a very important e-e element of deterrence by the united states of china because the united states of america places some orders in india and gives india the opportunity to develop. we know that india is now trying to take advantage of the situation that has developed in russia

. india, some elements of cooperation that suited india and which would allow china to be pushed aside in this story. i think that this is your question, it is a continuation of the previous one, and why china has now made several well at least such public conciliatory statements regarding the fact that he will not help russia, that he is interested in the development of bilateral normal cooperation with america, etc. well, because he perfectly sees what the americans are doing, and you asked now about india and this is just a very, very serious factor that will affect china because, in fact, the americans

today are squeezing russia out of the indian market, that is, if we remember that india for the last many years was a country where russia simply poured uh, everyone its weapons and er it was not about er millions but billions of dollars so imagine what will happen when er india turns er into a biksha and russia will no longer have a certain element of influence on what is happening in india the supply of weapons has always been and will probably be a very serious element for a certain period of time when a country can, in this way, at least influence the position of the country to which such weapons are transferred. so i think