[000:00:00;00] squeeze russia out of the indian market, that is, if we remember that india for the past many years was a country where russia simply poured all its weapons and it was not about millions of dollars, but billions of dollars. imagine what will happen when india turns into a bigsha and russia will no longer have a certain element of influence on what is happening in india , and the supply of weapons has always been and will probably be a very serious element for a certain period of time when the country can in this

way at least influence the position of that the countries to which such weapons are transferred, as you know , this is quite an interesting game of american diplomacy. well, let's not forget that america wants to create a certain alliance in this part of the world. -e alliance of democratic countries where e-e was found in japan, australia, new zealand and the same india, therefore, i think now the americans will work for a very long time and seriously to shift this focus of indian foreign policy from the russian vector to western that of course india now earns on er for oil, it is true on the other hand, the sanctions that are imposed on and introduced in connection with

russian oil do not allow india to actually receive hard currency, because they have now agreed with the russians , to calculate more, to calculate all these things in national currencies, that is, in the ruble archive group, and in india there are already a lot of currency rupees, a lot of rubles, which , unfortunately, they cannot convert into dollars , because it will fall under the western restructuring, so even this is an accumulation of money to a certain extent e-e has its limit, after which it will lose its meaning, because you can accumulate candy bars, but when you can't sell them in dollars, then

india doesn't need them. so, this also has its end. and i think that this era is still india accumulates oil e-e and revenue, he also very quickly does not go to the end of the pound that ukraine can win - it is to fight for a place or for the exclusion of the russian federation from the organization of the united nations because according to the words of the former representative of e-e of ukraine at the un volodymyr yelchenko russians contrary to of the un charter and international law usurped the place of the soviet union, we have repeatedly discussed this with you, mr. volodymyr, as it was in 1991, and mr. yelchenko proposed scenarios for the exclusion of the russian federation

from the general assembly, let's hear what volodymyr said, a possible solution is the expulsion of russia from the organization of the united nations, including the permanent seat of the un security council due to the non-recognition of its right to be, as they call themselves, an extension of the membership of the former soviet union, the simplest scenarios are the decision of the committee on credentials er, regarding the non-recognition of the authorized representative of the village delegation due to the documents i mentioned or due to the decision of the un general assembly , as it was done in the case of the south african republic , whose mandate was not recognized for more than 20 years due to the policy of appetite, well, this is the story with the fact that russia took over the powers of the soviet union in the un. i think that you have repeatedly encountered this and discussed this story. and even more so not only in

the un general assembly, but also in the un security council. because ukraine , the ukrainian ssr, was the founder of the organization of the united nations. as far as i understand, the belarusians and the rsfsr. as far as i understand, she was not the founder of how to deal with russia in this situation. within the framework of our center for the study of russia, it was brought up for discussion not so long ago. i invited to the discussion our er. er, so to speak, by experience, er, and so on

we discussed for several hours on the topic how can it be, taking into account the realities that we have today, that russia wants illegally , but he sits on the security council, and just take her, take her into retirement by the hand, take him out somehow, it will not work out what should be done in order to at least not give her the opportunity to work in the organization of the united nations. and as a result of this discussion that lasted for several hours, we came to the conclusion that volodymyr yanchenko said that the easiest way is non-recognition of the delegation of the russian federation e because you know that on the eve of each session of the general assembly, the credentials committee meets, which checks the credentials of the delegations that intend to participate in the work of the next session, so there is no need for a unanimous vote there , only the permanent members of the security council are in favor and so on and

so on. it in itself is small in terms of its composition, there are less than 10 countries, er, members of this committee, so i think, er, there is a certain chance, of course, for this, a decision about er, well, this approach was supported er, our western partners because uh and today we hear that uh well in the west sometimes they are impressed with ukraine that she uh very strongly criticizes the un and they say criticize some officials there who don't work well and who don't do anything there but we need the un well it seems to me that we don't need her because she doesn't fulfill her main function , she doesn't ensure that there is peace, and she doesn't ensure that this peace is restored if it is

broken. and these are the key tasks that were planned when this organization was created , that is, if something does not fulfill its functions then it turns out to be unnecessary, and it is legally impossible to form it in such a situation as it is today. therefore, it is necessary to look for ways in which, let's say, the aggressor country can simply really be singled out from among others , to give them the opportunity to participate in the work of the organization and, therefore, in to the work of the un security council itself, otherwise simply the oun can repeat the fate of the league of nations correctly, i understand practically uh practically now this is what we are talking about , that is, if for a certain period of time we will see this absolute impotence of the un well, then it will definitely repeat

the fate of the league of nations. moreover, there are more than enough reasons for this. this week , mr. volodymyr, a large international conference on the reconstruction of ukraine was held in london , and the secretary of state of the united states of america, anthony blinking, spoke there about how much will the united states of america allocate to ukraine for the reconstruction of 1 billion 300 million dollars allocated to ukraine by the united states of america now will be directed to energy and infrastructure needs as well according to blinkin, the united states of america is investing 520 million dollars in the modernization of the ukrainian energy system, while the secretary of state of the united states of america said that the destruction of ukraine is caused by russia, so in the end it will have to bear the costs of restoring the country, let's hear

blinkin, all these reforms and recovery efforts depend on whether ukraine will have the ability to defend itself against future russian attacks. here's why even as we invest in immediate and long-term recovery, we must also invest in the ukrainian army, which will be strong enough to protect the sovereignty of ukraine, its territorial integrity and independence, and also the president of poland, andrzej duda, told us in an exclusive interview that russia should fully pay compensation for the connection and not in ukraine, and added that if russia is allowed to win then the invaders will continue their attack on poland and other countries of the former soviet union, let's see. fortunately, no one serious about us in the international arena doubts that this compensation should be paid by russia as

soon as this money is received from russia at least because of the use of frozen russian capital in the world, and here is the structure of the restoration of ukraine for compensation, that is, for the restoration of this infrastructure that was destroyed and to compensate those who suffered losses, the sooner justice will be restored and the sooner we will return to a normal world, this is the topic of the future topic of post-war ukraine, it is heard more often on international platforms and in ukraine as well. for us, we cannot even imagine the exact amount of compensation that russia should pay

for reparations and, uh, compensate ukraine for the lost factories, infrastructure, houses, apartments, buildings, that is, so far it is difficult to say, what do you think, mr. volodymyr, about the financial responsibility that the russian federation should bear, or whether it will be fulfilled by the russian federation, and whether there are enough resources outside the borders of the russian federation for those arrested to cover these losses ukraine, i heard several figures regarding the er already inflicted astronomical er , it is about 700-750 billion dollars and this was before the kakhov hpp er and we still do not know what awaits us ahead er some of the viewers who well, i am dealing with this topic more or less thoroughly, they say that it is not possible to rule out

sums of one trillion dollars. well, that is, in fact , it is a sky-high sky-high sum. and here , of course, we will have to think about how, uh, they can be collected from russia, and the options here are definitely different you are absolutely right when you say that it is necessary to look for opportunities in order to compensate for these losses from the seized russian property , you see now, unfortunately, lawyers cannot find a way how to properly deal with not with private ones with the investments of these or other persons and with the property of russia itself as a state and e-e continues to legal battles e-e among themselves and among everyone

in order to find this formula, how to make so that e-e the confiscation of russian property of all states is legal well it seems to me that in this case we have to make legal and political decisions, because i don't want to offend any of the lawyers, but where there are two lawyers there are three opinions. er, continue to prove er, er, what to prove it is impossible, then we will never get a result. by the way, uh, abroad, uh, in russia, uh, there are also uh, other huge uh , financial resources, so to speak, this is the foreign property of the former ussr to which russia appropriated the most effective brought to ukraine

and i think that the time will come when we return to this topic. 16 percent of 37% of the foreign property of the ussr belongs to ukraine . we did not sign any agreements with russia. we did sign an agreement between the governments. but it was not ratified and was not in force. that is, it was actually an agreement about the intentions, but it did not come into force, therefore, this is also a topic that needs to be thought about, that needs to be worked on . well, let me not forget, that russia is a lot of country, not a lot of natural resources, not much that can be used after its defeat, but here again the main thing we approach in any discussion er russia must lose and er in this context what our western partners are doing is extremely important we

have to ask questions harder and harder because er win on er well, no with an insufficient amount of weapons, it is impossible. i don't think that any nato general would make a decision about a counteroffensive when there is no closed sky, when a city is thrown into the offensive , they can be the object of an air attack. but in the meantime, our heroes will even do such things that you have to think about the fact that we are not china, which has a population of 1.5 billion and it simply cannot continue for so long, er , we cannot sacrifice our most valuable sons and daughters. and by the way, i will tell you

the statement of mr. olympin is worth it presented, i appreciated quite a lot of negativity and the point of view that was actually found that we should ensure the ability to defend ourselves against russia, gentlemen , it will not work out, we will not be together, but from russia, i mean together, this is when we will be a member of the alliance or you yourself will be the target of russia's attack, because there is simply no other option, and what the president said, the people you quoted, and absolutely fair, if ukraine can't stand it, then there will be poland, then there will be other countries the baltics will then have everything anything, because this moscow beast can only really be destroyed. vladimir, you mentioned the agreement on the zero option , it was called the one on the distribution of assets and liabilities of the former soviet union. well, according to it , as far as i remember, russia took over

our liabilities, that is, our debts. p- tried to block and this agreement was signed, if my memory serves me correctly , by the prime minister of ukraine at that time and this agreement was not ratified. it was submitted to the supreme court several times in the 90s the soviets were talking about not only the premises , diplomatic institutions and houses that were in the soviet union abroad, it was about gold and diamonds, and there our fate was 16 72 72%. according to you, it is realistic to return to the topic of the distribution of assets and liabilities, considering that this agreement was not legally binding in ukraine, that is , considering that russia also caused us so much damage , they could compensate, well, if it could be set off on our liabilities for the soviet

union you see, i dealt with this topic quite a bit seriously, i know the details, but they are very simple, to our request to russia back in the 90s , to give us full information about the assets and liabilities of the soviet union , we always received the answer that our liabilities are like that, and we have no data about assets. well, somewhere in the same vein or at all. we did not receive any answers to the question about what about the pluses, and the pluses were significantly more than the minuses, and that is precisely why russia, as a country that always steals and lies , has built its own line on this issue as well really covered the debts of the soviet union before the police club of the territory and they said that since i covered them, i have the valid

right to dispose of the assets, what will we say to that? dear friends, it is your right to say so, but there is international law that looks at it in a different way and that is why we also consider our legal position i am absolutely normal and flawless that er our our our dispute with russia regarding debts and assets is not finished and i will tell you frankly this er is an absolutely er normal situation if we return to of this topic, when we will sum up everything that the russian federation has done, and in this way, we should also ask questions about foreign property and , as you correctly said, the diamond fund and the assets of former banks

uh, the ussr, who actually stole all the assets of uh, in all the banks of uh, the union republics , including in ukraine, and so on . i think there will be no problem here, the only question is that we can it is quite realistic to start implementing this idea. volodymyr, the vilnius nato summit is to be held in july . there are many different positions regarding what this summit should give to ukraine. nato , in her own way, she answered the question about the prospects of our country joining the north atlantic alliance, and this is how she answered the accusations that the united states

of america and great britain are becoming participants war, when they supply ukraine with long-range weapons, the ukrainians do everything they can with the equipment and the capabilities they have on the battlefield to continue pushing out the russians, and we support their efforts to return their sovereign territory, mr. volodymyr , what can ukraine really claim at the nato summit in vilnius e- well, mr. sergey , you see here there are two points that we should pay attention to, our desire and a realistic assessment of the situation that i currently have, our desire is obvious and absolutely

it is correct. already in 2008, we clearly and clearly declared our desire to join the alliance. this thesis is written in our constitution . we have proven a thousand times over with everything that is happening now that we protect the values ​​of nato , the values ​​of this structure, which is looking for ways in which way. we will not be accepted for a certain period of time, it is very sad, it is very unpleasant, but it is a fact . today, this fact is reinforced by the constant that the nato countries created for themselves and said that we will never be a part of this war, we will not enter into a war with the russian federation, they accepted it at the highest political level and proceed from this. so, during the real hostilities between russia and ukraine, the question of

ukraine becoming a member of nato is actually rejected by them. they will not implement it under any circumstances . so we need to change this situation and stop the war, to the smallest extent, with russia, which will allow us to raise this question again, which means that we must liberate our territory . until the moment until this is ours the territory will not be freed, or we should say that we claim to join nato in a limited territorial, so to speak, choice that no one will go for, obviously , or we should push ourselves to the end, but at the moment when the last russian boot will be thrown out of the ukrainian land, at that moment we must firmly and clearly and loudly say, now please give us the guarantees

that you must give as you gave to finland and sweden during their accession and after that, believe me, not a single shot is fired in the direction of ukraine will stop because russia will understand that if ukraine has the guarantees of the usa, britain, france, or other nato countries, this will mean that a shot will be fired at the border of the conditional kharkiv oblast or sumshchyna will mean that they are shooting at the united states of america. and this is a completely different story. well, this is the reality , unfortunately, we have to live with it, we have to understand exactly what it is, and demand the maximum from our american and other

western friends during the summit in vilnius so that we get as quickly as possible what will help us to fulfill this main task of getting rid of the russian aggressor from our land , everything else will happen after whether ukraine can get the same guarantees as finland before joining nato, and we have to - that's the only way to ask the question, you know, the strengthened budapest two, let them keep it for themselves, let them keep it for themselves, let obama keep it for themselves, let them leave it for themselves, clinton, all those other people who led to the fact that we, uh, what we have today, because the moral responsibility rests on them it they created a monster that today terrorizes us primarily but threatens them and that's why they say that they give out a lot of money and it's true, but it's a price for their own short-sightedness, lack of understanding of what

russia is and unwillingness to see even a little bit of their own nose, so that you have to pay for it well, even more so, there was a budapest memorandum , they still have obligations, even though one of the participants in this memorandum violated it , you know right now about the budapest memorandum , somehow it is not necessary to talk about it it is a great pity that it remained a piece of paper, it is very sad that this happened, it is very sad that at that time we could not even imagine what could happen, it is very sad that we did not want to write down the mechanism for the implementation of this memorandum except for one point that it is necessary to gather a consultation but if someone doesn't want consultations, then they don't happen. so, unfortunately, this is only a political document without real practical content. it's also our mistake. well

, you know about it now. it's easier to say than what happened then during very of tough negotiations when ukraine was pressured. what are the russians and the americans? well, at the end of our conversation, the last question for today , volodymyr, is the legislative basis of the treaty from russia, which is hundreds of documents that were. ukraine still cooperates with russia under some kind of treaty or agreement . i think that there cannot be any in principle, and the entire contractual base that was created will definitely be subject to correction after the end of the war. since we we don't know if will this territory be preserved? i mean russian as a single state as a state , or will it somehow be an economy of other states, or will it

not be a state at all, then this will determine the fate of everything that will happen after i think that the return to the international power that was with russia will no longer exist. thank you, volodymyr, for the conversation. it was volodymyr ogrysko - politician, diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 , friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel for those who are watching us live now on youtube and facebook please like this video subscribe to our social networks become a sponsor of our youtube channel now you will see a qr-code by clicking on which you will get detailed information instructions on how to join our sponsor club we will be grateful to you for any - what help? well, read our news on the espresso tv website 24 hours a day , seven days a week, we work for you

news from ukraine, from the front, from the world, everything is there for you thank you all for your attention i wish you all the best and have a good weekend. take care of yourself and your loved ones. goodbye. it's 11 o'clock on the clock. it's time to find out what's happening in ukraine and the world. at this time , khrystyna parubiy works in the studio. at night, the russians fired more than 40 missiles at ukraine. fragments of one of them fell on a high-rise in the solomyansk district . our correspondent valeryia pashkova is working in kyiv at the scene of the incident . live with us lyera. i congratulate you. we know that there are three dead as of now. has the number changed and is the search and rescue operation ongoing? good afternoon, of course, rescuers.