[000:00:00;00] today will affect our tomorrow, watch saturday's political club, what's on saturdays on espresso. so, our program continues, the only drawback of the program is definitely when mattresses are advertised, and i'm starting to think about whether i'll fall asleep during the broadcast, but i'm holding on. all the time drags me to sleep ivan magne, executive director of the institute of world politics , we have another question planned here. undoubtedly , we always plan in advance, and as you understand, we may touch on these publications, but a little later, and i would like to talk to mr. and mrs. about russia , mother. what are your impressions of these half-day -long rebellion of prigozhina against the central russian authorities ? well, it is actually difficult to remember

a rebellion in a nuclear state, because it is , accordingly, a serious challenge for the world of security i think that our um leading centers of world influence are watching the rebellion extremely extremely carefully this is the biggest political crisis in russia in the last 30 years here without any doubt but let's talk frankly about this crisis born by dear vladimir vladimirovich himself, he at one time decided to form units of the private criminal-military company wagner at the expense of prisoners and replace them with more combat-capable units of the armed forces of ukraine, but as

they say, appetite comes with food and the desire for power comes with years ago, yevgeny prigozhin, who even a year and a half ago said that he had nothing to do with the wagner company. to moscow, i think that if the pace is maintained, tomorrow not only the wagnerites, the prigozhynites will come to moscow, but they will hold a show of mythologizing and desacralizing the russian government. no, i do not think that they will seize putin and do to him what , say, the lviv insurgents with gaddafi's number did i think that this will not happen here , we have to be realistic, but what is happening and

the fact that prigozhynites may end up in moscow, they will simply demonstrate that the russian government is far from what she told about herself in this world is tens of years old and this is a very serious factor - it is a very powerful influencing factor, so we have to watch this and prepare for it, understanding that we are actually in a situation where our defenders have to use this crisis as best as possible for all of us, but also no, no create some exaggerated expectations, don't think that prigozhin is our friend, there is a russian saying, plague on both of your houses , it is

perfect for describing the situation. voronezh means they are like me, if i imagine the geography to myself, then we see rostov-on-don, then voronezh, then lipets, and the next station is tula. tula is actually moscow, greater moscow. it actually borders the city of moscow with the city of tula, that is, if what is true the wagnerites are also in lipetsk. this means that the next stop is moscow. how far can it be? so far, what i am observing is that i do not yet believe in such great successes of wasner, but i do not see any resistance. i do not see it anywhere. famous phrase more brutal battles have started, some brutal battles do not start anywhere and they just go

like a red-hot knife through butter all over russia. if it is true that prigozhyn says that some people, civilians or military, are joining him, well, then it is a victory, but here they went let's say that you advised them in moscow yevhen magda , it's interesting to advise our enemies, you know, after all, i think that in fact i advised to bring the parliamentarians to the federal assembly and make some high-profile decisions to use them as hostages because they are worth it because they supported the aggression against ukraine, i would suggest that you attract the attention of various world players as actively as possible. i think prigozhin will be right in moscow

if he gets there. and that's what he's going for. i think he'll be able to call a briefing and hold a briefing for the embassy. those with whom the russians almost spoiled their relations and show that he is a real force, that is, to be located on the territory of the kremlin, of course. well, i think that putin will not bombard the kremlin as well, after all, it is a well- known architectural monument and will absolutely for real, but you know that if prigozhin reaches moscow and putin is forced to flee from there and not to shoot back from the onslaught of the wagnerites with dzerzhinsky's mauser, then putin's rating, so that the russian pseudo-media does not create it there, he will be at the level of the plinth very quickly, well, for the world it will be, that is, in russia, then his

they will be pumped up with botox for the information, but uh for the world he will be absolutely well, it is possible that putin already took off two hours ago and he flew somewhere and he was tracked and then they turned off these uh and what about this equipment allows you to track the flight, but everyone says that he’s on valdai and he’s supposedly already there. well, there are lakes there, uh, you can hold a valdavian forum among your family, that ’s interesting, of course, but i’m more interested that russian liberals somehow started to rally around putin and say that he’s handsome he's not like that, he was like that all the time, and now he's not like that. to be honest, it's a little strange. i hope that alexei navalny will not have time to sign up for the russian army, which

can now also be imprisoned by the way with his lav brothers, but in fact, the situation, well, the situation, i wouldn't say it's comical, it's tragic because russia is, well, in a state of crisis that it created for itself, the country strafbat started to fight against its president, the chekist, and this is, you know, very, very interesting the trend, on the one hand, corresponds to historical traditions, and on the other hand, well, to say that someone can clearly predict how it will all end . i think that in fact the resolution will come quickly enough because the wagnerites have relatively many resources, but they definitely will not be enough for to seize

the entire territory of the russian federation, we saw a parade, a parade of support among regional leaders, there are already kadirov people going to rostov there, after all, it’s different. well, they use to go for a couple of days because they are more skilled in filming for tik-tok than in real combat operations and this, er, i would say the situation where the voronezh oil depot is on fire in order to remain er without the vigilant wagners, well, you know, this is already russia's achievement, to bring the time to bomb voronezh into life - this is, well, this is definitely a victory, listen to yevgeny such a speculative question and you can and you can give a sarcastic answer

. and prigozhin if he wins, if the hostilities slow down, if some kind of negotiations begin in russia with the western countries, he saves himself from prison from the old woman. he is the savior of the world , he is so beautiful. yes, he committed many crimes, but he is asking for an apology in front of the world, who will say well, if you won well then we forgive you we give you two years on probation , go for a walk well, and i think that all our viewers are supporters of the theory or zaralombrosis, but i think with such a face to hope for amnesty is still not worth it and this is the second time, i don't think that prigozhin is the same hero . i think that he is the frontman of a group of the russian political elite that wants to drive putin even deeper into the bunker and have more influence on the situation

in the state, in particular on the military the procurement and production of military equipment is everywhere, there is always a lot of money during the war, it is simply gigantic, and i think it has everything to do with it. well, i would argue with you because i think that, well, i have a different point of view, but i am here if you are a guest, so i will remain silent, just me proambrazo would make his only remark because, you know, compared to surovikin's text, er, prigozhin looks like such an academician, he really has a richer vocabulary, his face moves somehow, and he sits like an orangutan, and it's obvious that he never spoke at all, and it's obvious that he's just well , he's not a person, it's like a homosapiens, it's something else

. they will say to burn moscow, so i think he has such a premonition that it is not good. well, we are slowly finishing the conversation with yevhen magda, the executive director of the institute of world politics, who says that this is a tragedy and i understand, but still, everything is happening twice compared to the tragedies of 1937, when they destroyed the russians, they were silent compared to the brezhnev years, when they were thrown into prison, they were silent today, it is definitely more like a farce in my opinion, because when there is simply no opportunity, that is, there is some armed formation of only 25,000 people, it is moving towards the capital of russia, it's not napoleon, it's not hitler, it's not sahaidachny, it's towards the polish

troops, some are moving for themselves, they're moving, but there's just no one to stand in the way of this movement , and it's very, very, very strange and it really already shows the truly non-existent state of the russian federation but it will continue to harm us, we will talk about the dangerous harm associated with nuclear reactors on the territory of ukraine, but first we must watch the advertisement on the espresso tv channel, there are discounts on oral orasep spray 20% in podorozhnyk pharmacies why am i here, i have sensitive teeth . they eat ice cream, pain, cold air

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impartially draw your own conclusions but you draw your own conclusions, now you will draw conclusions from what oleg korikov will tell us , acting head of the state nuclear regulatory agency, this is the main state main state inspectorate for nuclear and radiation safety of ukraine good health, mr. oleg thank you for greetings to you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes thank you for joining us on saturday look well, when is it, mr. budanov, the chief intelligence officer says that the occupiers mined the cooler of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, there is a threat of detonation but whether it can cause a chain reaction . i just constantly discuss this with different people because when there is a chain reaction, then there is the same terrible explosion, and otherwise it is as i understand it

, maybe i did not understand and this is absolutely true. there will be a so-called dirty bomb that can, er, well, if er, hit the danger kilometers tens of kilometers, but it is not a nuclear explosion in the full sense of the word, who am i wrong or not, thank you for the question, er, the chief intelligence officer of the country knows what he says mined means mined and even have e supported i mean confirmed the fumigation of the territory of zaporizhzhya and the power plant both outside the perimeter , meaning the industrial site, and within the industrial site, we also have information about the exchange of e-e drainage structures that are located between the water reservoir and the npp cooler. and this is a separate technical structure and

the kakhov reservoir, which almost does not exist anymore, which means that to your question, i will say that no, it is not, which means that this explosion, if it happens , means the water outlet facilities, does not initiate a chain reaction of nuclear code fission, but it is very dangerous, in this case, we will actually disappear the zaporizhzhya npp cooler reservoir in the context of 48 million cubic meters of water, and it will be even more difficult to maintain proper the temperature of the spent nuclear fuel that needs to be cooled, we have six reactors with passive exposures that are fully loaded with nuclear fuel irradiation that needs to be constantly cooled to dissipate thermal energy into the environment for this , water is used in the usual mode, eh, very good

, very good, about what they have been working at capacity for 9 months, and the amount of heat is relatively small, but it is still there and we have to provide it with diffused heat . thus, we need water and we need the responsible management of the zaporizhzhia npp, which will accordingly carry out this function. let's say that, but unfortunately, we will say this, we will say that in our management, eh, at the moment , the occupiers have completely different goals than the safe operation of the zaporizhzhia npp, that is , they turned it into a military base and e there there is a very large number of militarized personnel, weapons, a hiding place , meaningful access is fully controlled, and even the authorities who are constantly there do not have, let’s say, permission to visit

, let’s say, the premises and, let’s say, the territory which the rashists consider necessary so that they will not see it, on which they arrange their military elements and components. let's say this. the state of security is currently degraded at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and we expect in the near future from the magats who are constantly breaking through assessments about the failure of the moneymakers in those the five principles announced by the head of the megatel feld, maryana grosu, at the meeting of the un security council three weeks ago, are precisely what it means: no presence of military personnel; no presence at the zaporizhzhia npp military equipment is heavy and there is no way to put it under let's say that the threat of these times is the very component of the security system and

security components, and the fact of mining, you directly understand that they are under threat. thus, we expect decisive assessments and statements to have let's say so . you can see or confirm or disprove my thesis that i have now sent because when i talk to the experts i have at first it was surprising now it is less surprising well, i often hear it when i ask well, good for well, if you reject patriotism, say okay well, there are no ukrainians the experts there who know what to do came from russia, that's why they also understand how it all happens there, so you don't need to worry so much. and ukrainian experts tell me , no, after chernobyl and under the pressure of western countries, a lot of power plants were modernized, and modernization took place very often

some new technologies were introduced at ukrainian enterprises. well, you are the equipment. well, here is the equipment and so on, and the ukrainians know how to deal with it, and the russians simply do not know any such modernization did not take place because even in the soviet union, modernization took place at ukrainian plants that supplied this new equipment to the nuclear power plant, so is it true that russians are simply sitting there who simply do not know how to use ukrainian nuclear power plants because they do not have the appropriate practice there in russia , please, mr. oleg. thank you for your question, you know the truth . the zaporizhia npp, and in general, ukrainian autoelectric power plants, are significantly different from those npps that are operated

in russia, the original project is the same, but during independence, our ukrainian auto power plant has been significantly modernized, and for this i use the capacities of ukrainian production facilities that are localized in ukraine, created in ukraine and , accordingly, used the capacities of western enterprises , i.e. countries that are friendly to ukraine in ukraine, in ukraine in general, at each power plant. which, accordingly , provide this training to precisely those personnel who are capable of servicing and repairing this equipment let's put it this way, the supply network of exactly those components and components that are necessary for our e-e systems and equipment that is used in this chain . i 'm talking about the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. how

to operate, how to maintain this equipment, and they don't even have the conditions now to ensure the training of this staff and ensure , let's say, the appropriate transfer of this knowledge, i'll say , let's say yes, i'll go to a higher level about what according to international principles, the owner of a nuclear installation is responsible for its safe operation in accordance with international legislation. the owner of the zaporizhzhya npp nuclear installation has 6 reactors and a storage facility in ukraine, and ukraine has authorized the operating organization as energoatom, which , accordingly, has all the necessary resources for operation. -th nuclear installations of energoatom , respectively, froze, let's say , financed, created a system of training personnel of the system, means supply

, supply management, and others, let's say to whom important components in order to ensure the safe operation of the zaporizhia npp and the only safe way what is the only option for ensuring the safety of the zaporizhia npp is the return of control over the zaporizhzhia npp to ukraine, that is, the return of control to a legal , legitimate, responsible, competent operator of such an energy atom that will be able to safely operate which which has the appropriate resources for this and the conditions and return to the zaporizhzhia npp of the religious competent authority for the regulation of nuclear and radiation what is the state regulation of security in ukraine? that is, this is the only option, and this position has received an international consensus. that is, we have actually formed an international consensus, and this is recorded in the resolutions of the governing body of the magat board of governors. there are three resolutions in

in 2022, the russian occupiers should leave the zaporizhia npp and hand it over to the control of ukraine, respectively. it should be demilitarized and only in such a case, let's say, security can be ensured, mr. oleg, the last question is there any result or is it possible or is it possible to expect any practical result from the fact that the head of the magnet is coming to the zaporizhia station. there are people watching western experts whom he once brought. well, i came to look for you here, everything is bad and nothing . thanks for the question, there is a practical result actually for ourselves let's say yes for the megatet team, because in this way, rafael

maryana grosia is intensifying the rotation of personnel in order to change the personnel at the zaporizhzhia npp, which represents megatet. he has to ensure the rotation every month, in general, the rotation takes place without his participation. and when the rotation is late, well, it is mainly due to the occupiers , since they usually prevent the rotation of the staff, since they are not interested in being in the zaporizhia register store . the fact is that they are not used to operating the ac in gt's constant monitoring regime means that in ukraine we are transparent and accordingly fulfill the requirements of a--and in russia there are different let's say so------------------------------- rules, and here, on the one hand

, there is pressure on the russian occupiers from point a from the point of view of ukraine, it is primarily an informational influence on how much megathet is at the invitation of ukraine and in accordance with the action as it should normally operate in ukrainian nuclear power plants , i.e. in the interests of ensuring security in the interests of ensuring that there are no sabotage in the interests of territorial integrity of independence, touch from ukraine, that is , how does this happen, they collect data on the state of security of systems and equipment , the data is transferred to the owner of the nuclear installation. that is, in ukraine , the data is also transferred to its central the office analyzes all this for the subject of compliance with the requirements to have and the results of this analysis on the subject of compliance or non-compliance should be made public for, say , other states of the member countries of stakeholders,

including, of course, for ukraine, that is, this is their work algorithm. thank you we are very much waiting for you, i am very sorry, mr. olezh, oleg korikov, acting chairman of the state atomic regulation, this is the chief state inspector of nuclear and registration safety of ukraine, was with you, and now iryna koval will be with you with news, please, please, ms. iryna in ukraine 6:00 p.m. news broadcast on the espresso tv channel in the studio iryna koval welcomes all viewers already in the tula region , wagner columns are already approaching the