[000:00:00;00] this seems to me to be the most interesting topic right now, in general, i envy scientists who deal with russia, because i will tell you about it later , but i won't be today. i found the time and i was just when i was preparing. i thought i would start a joke that prigozhyn helps you a lot if you were not a doctor of science to write a doctoral dissertation because today conflict and conflict in russia and russia just take them and write down what is happening and write your doctorate and defend your doctorate and everything will be fine and it turns out that mr. oleksandr shulga already has a doctor of sociology dol so he does not need to write it

as far as you were ready and you, your colleagues, i mean before the events that began last night as far as possible predict such uh, i will tell you right away, i don’t know whether you are discussing it or not, i always had such a version in my head of the beginning of the disintegration of russia in the broad sense that a grandmother goes out with a cat for a walk she has been doing this for 100 years a cat gets hit by a car and russia begins to act because before that 140 cats were killed by cars and russian rulers, but there is always such a cat who is the last one and then the cat is pathetic.

it's moving somewhere, you could imagine it, well, good health. thank you for inviting me. we were preparing for this because of the research that was going on , and it just ended on the 21st. we and our field, the field department of research they just exhaled and said how did we, uh, how did we complete the field correctly, because uh, well , you see the events, but we included included questions about prigozhin, do russians see his political career, do you see his political future in russia and do they understand the essence of the conflict, er, prigozhina there, the ministry of defense, er, because the question regarding the attitude to prigozhina was raised in december and january all these months, but we decided to ask these two questions in view of prigozhina's political and social activity and the expansion of his

rhetoric with an effort to attract as much as possible uh, his supporters, not limited to some uh, wagnerites alone , or uh, very radical zeta patriots , uh, respectively. yes, look, i came up with such a rather controversial thesis. i immediately say that i came up with it, but i do not support it that prigozhin is such a type of gorbachev to a certain extent and to a certain extent because i am a little older than you i remember that very well not because he was loved but because suddenly there was a person who was normal and spoke on her face some kind of living human ones features, he doesn't like something, he likes something, he likes normal emotions, he has a much larger vocabulary, which is surprising because he is a prisoner and so on, that is, i remember when

gorbachev came. it was a shock, not because he wore the same ties as all the soviets, these jackets , these hats so stupid, but suddenly he spoke and started joking and started talking after brezhnev or chernenko chintsi and when i look at these beautiful russian generals, what two words can i not say on this putin on this background is simply beautiful some kind of poet and in general gentlemen are like that in general lord byron and a richer vocabulary of emotions, well that is a living person correctly i understand that it can be very liked by russians who have been living with them for 20 years i would call all people with toucans i don’t know if there is

a ukrainian counterpart yes, in terms of communication, the former won the casino, he won both because of his charisma and because of the very object of his criticism that he really is , according to our research, not one, but in fact all the number of people who have acquaintances or relatives or friends who were mobilized initially by mobile phones, and the war has been full-scale since february of last year, and it is huge, up to 68% of the people , there are direct sources, how to check what is really happening in the army, what is really happening at the front, and this resonates very strongly with that what is declared by the ministry of defense and their talking heads like konashenkov and just propagandists, against this background is really a handsome man who cuts the truth of the womb, i use it for this sometimes ma- sometimes such delicious yes

expressions and such delicious simply folk sides they find a challenge and the main thing - he speaks. he speaks with the russians because, er , sheikh, er, for some reason i think he is some kind of crown prince, and they themselves talk about it for patriots and bitters, not only girkin, he does not s-s, as they say in russian, to communication with the russian people and russian society is very rare, and you don’t deserve anything more, but prigozhyn , on the contrary, he appeals to various completely different categories of the population, well, except for, of course, the liberal-democratic setting, but their not much and he finds a response. he explains. he shows examples. in principle, he tells the truth very often and, accordingly, he won this media dispute with

the ministry of defense. they tell me here that you can only speak for up to 37 minutes. 42 42 ok, that means i'm right in the sense that it's like gorbachev as a phenomenon like himself. and now what should he do next to be liked not in a military sense but in a speech now he i think found the right words because the word justice in the post-soviet era spacious, except for the baltics, this is everywhere the main slogan in ukraine, by the way, also in ukraine , too. if a person comes out now , i will organize fairly that if he is rich, we understand why he is rich. on and on and when it is not known what he was doing then suddenly together and a million dollars

2 10 no one understands that 's why he is right now what should he do next in order to continue to like the russians well not the first and they are now saying that already near moscow there the first columns are passing near muscovy, eh, using this libyan-syrian tactic, the wagnerians are fortunate to have experience . i think it would be a very good example if they went to the ruble shop and opened the ruble shop for all those who are willing, eh, as was the case with yanukovych's estate at one time. well, of course they were opened for looting for there resettlement for the sacralization of this power, demonstrations, what cowards they are, how greedy they are. well, because it's one thing to say some kind of investigation , it's another thing when a person himself goes in and sees in which pshonka stable they live and they live in pshonka style, they can become even more pshonka than our original

, respectively. this would be a very good flirtation with the deep people, loved by the proletariat and sima. who lives in russia and does not belong to the ruling class? come and see live, use all the benefits that all the greedy monsters used all these years, sucking resources out of russia, the first, the second. of course, he needs this, and we now see that he has not been able to come to an agreement with the national elites. i don't even speak about the ruling elite, because the ruling governors, the ruling heads of the regions, well, they are putin's people, and it makes no sense for them to change him, displace him, and you're all right , his chip and his message are beautiful, it's just the middle and lower echelon, that is, he now needs

the middle and lower echelon officials to agree that they come out, the head of some district of some department so that they come out and show what is wrong with- not everything is so uniform because of course these weather vanes will also react. i mean putin's proteges if the schalke scales and the third wave - this is, of course, again to appeal to the middle and lower echelon precisely among the army units of the army combat units and to attract them to their let's say this march of justice, by the way, that's what they call these three components that would really be decisive in these three uh days well, maybe two days no more, this is such a beautiful person in these roofs like a star who has a lot of followers, he is also a critic of the government, he is a critic of the generals, and he is a patriot

of russia. i understand that and prigozhin and girkin - this not my heroes, but how can any friction and problems in russia be understood in favor of ukraine ? such people as gorky can join him and bring with them some part of this middle class, let's say the deep people and the middle class. no, gorky is not an expression of the opinion of the middle class. girkin is not the birch tree of the deep people. he is a reconstructor . he is already a monarchist . he is your nobility. what is it, well, they like to call him ? on yes well go down to the bottom to this simple people, and he constantly pokes that girkin is a convict, but your honor is not

a military personnel, accordingly, the hills are on a very limited electoral base, plus why can't they because, right here, on this small electoral base, there is no room for two or three therefore, this internal species struggle is the fiercest, accordingly, i think that if it did not sound just the conditions for the survival of the mountain, whether putin will survive or not, because if not, then to the mountain for all his statements about the beautiful wagner they will come and ask and he won't like it thank you very much exactly 42 minutes shulga doctor of sociological sciences for conflictology and analysis of russia just told us he analyzed this russia later we will talk someday whether someone is capable or capable

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i have various memories of how this publishing business began, i remember in the 1990s, i was sitting with ivan malkovich and he so i dreamed and talked about the soviet union and the communist party and everything in the world, and malkovich sat and said that i will create a publishing house, we will publish primarily bright books for children, and so on. such books are all around the communists, all around, all this is quite strange , there was absolutely no independence, there was absolutely no business, all the publishing houses were state-owned, and so on and so on, all this was close to high-quality, well, gray paper i remember it was popular and good paper only in finland

and you have to sell it for skv only older people remember free convertible currency and escaver it was, well, something extraordinary tell me p vladislav has already appeared oh they tell me he is not there a why isn't it there, they say in a minute, a minute means 60 seconds, that is, is it a very long time for you to molt - it is measured in seconds i don't like it when household items are transferred to television because on television , minutes are a very long time, try to stand in front of mirror and talk for 60 seconds in a row, i don't think that you will be able to do it so easily, but he says now there is so, mr. vladyslav kyrychenko , the founder of the publishing house, our format, good health, mr. vladislav, thank you for responding to our proposal, but i have a difficult question for you. tell me, please

thank you, mr. vladyslavovich , do ukrainian publishers have enough resources to replace russian books, because in russia it is richer in oil, more gas, they have special support from the state, moreover, we are under theirs there was state support. in order for all the books in russian to be preserved in belarus, kazakhstan, ukraine, and moldova, they translated a bunch of different english , french, and so on, that is, in order to replace all of this and it would become equivalent, it is necessary to have a huge number of translators and writers in ukraine as well some people who will be engaged in machine-tool production in order to print quickly and so on. that is, it is such a difficult path , it is not easy to take and the books must be replaced

, at least millions and millions of copies of russians by hundreds of thousands of ukrainians, vladislav, look at my position , it should have been done 30 years ago, gradually and persistently with the support of the state, supporting the publishing of books that in ukraine, unlike in russia, cannot be published in thousands and two fifty-year editions, so accordingly , there will be a serious problem because we don't have literature, we don't even have textbooks in almost all fields. and in the ukrainian language, this will be a serious problem, because what was imported from russia in editions of 500 to 1,000 professional literature and from it will be

problems, but they will be solved, i just don’t believe that without the support of the state, it will be solved quickly, because it is an inertial process, and even in some fields we do not have enough translators to close the holes in most fields in a year or two, this is a reality that no one thought about at all there is no policy in the state, uh, educational policy in the field of culture. i mean, in the field of reading, it has always been on the margins, just like that, to the right, from that time, two . have you seen the specialist so simply from the outside , and the state , when all this was a discussion to ban russian books and so on.

now we are doing it. we forget about the availability of russian books, but in the budget we plan to say 200 million hryvnias per year will not be enough . pennies well, someone thought that if this is not available and to replace it, we need to have money for the same translators to encourage someone to travel around europe. let's take them, let's buy them there at some book festival, ask them to translate. well, and so on, and so on, and so on, and so on, so it would be that money would come instead. i'm a little wrong about how it works, that is

, for example, i know exactly how many books are needed in the fields in which i work. understand so yaki books and how much money and people do i need to raise, so was the translator, eh, he does not grow in a year in order to apply to translate at least the top 10 books on biochemistry in ukraine . so, we simply do not have people, eh, really, but on the other hand, eh- eh, people who read smart books, they know the english language, so this is not a huge problem. i think that if you can't forgive eh, the english textbook, then you won't be a biochemist, but this problem is eh, and you understand, it's very easy to fall into extremes here let's do another transitional period and another no, let's do it let's raise the issue that we really won't have important literature for a while, but we need to take measures to ensure that the state supports what our liberals didn't say, so that the market doesn't break free without state support

, universities don't appear, cultural policy does n't change the normative people are changing, read the treatment books, singapore is good, but then the state should nominate to the positions of some ministers some specific people who understand this what are you talking about now and they understand not only this, but they understand much more widely, who understand how difficult it is - a long - long road, how difficult it is to convince the society, because according to the society how do you understand it? no no no no no no no you are talking to specialists or i will tell you how it is that we don’t have it and why don’t we have a bunch of universities that have been graduating for more than a year and we don’t have all the translators, where they are there are no universities

trust the person who administered one of the most from the study of his field, yes, at a university that is included in the top 100 of the world yes, we have people who understand that we do not have universities, we do not have people who do not understand that there are no books , there are no books because, excuse me, enlighten the intellectual foundations of our so-called elites, ah, we can imagine it is not necessary, there is no need to pour salt on my wounds, as cultured people say, listen, yes, but then , in addition to such people who are supposed to lead, who are not there, it is necessary to do, you know, some strange thing somewhere, so that the so-called elites explain a society that will not happen quickly. where we are now is happening because everyone voted for politicians who always promised it would be fast, but they said everything would be done quickly

, only there was no army until the 14th year , no factories. well, in short, i will not list the things that are so to everyone everyone understands and you just have to understand that these are long years and anyway ukrainians will be looking for someone who will say tomorrow the salary of a teacher is 4000 € and what to do, what kind of people are the deputies, i have an answer but it will not be popular, my program is not popular, you can it's easy. i won't argue with you, look at the only way out, it's the only real one for ukraine, because i'm here discussing with so-called liberals who are not her liberals and just narcissists, leftists or right-wing schizoids , and the only way out for ukraine is

singapore's way is a strong but fair government. yes, but for some reason, in the countries of the third world , scumbags mostly win, and not dedicated indicators like a face, and any other way, our people choose the next one an interpreder who promises every man a woman is attractive to everyone to a woman for a man who will earn 4,000 € in ukraine and so on, that is, the most dangerous after the war, three dangers - this is our people, this is the liberal backstage that considers us as an agrarian appendage, and our fifth column of liberals that will pick up steps from that barrel that is being sprayed by the people's elected officials, that's what these people of the liberals got out of something , vladyslav, during the entire interview with you, the word with a negative connotation of the liberals was heard more often than i

can imagine. well, it's just a real browser , conservatives, so liberal was lord er-e actam and his cohort from which i will put realism and people who today are called liberals, they are liberals, this is a hand, also anarchists , deviants, and supporters of some free market, and so on, nowhere. it's just me, it's not a discussion. i don't like to discuss, everyone has their own point of view , but i just had treatment. i just don’t know who to call in europe . ukrainians are definitely not that european, but definitely not asians. that’s why i just imagine. and who would know , we agreed to imagine some kind of treatment in europe or semi-european or even on

three-quarters of a european state is hard for me to imagine. and what do you imagine, we are not the bed of a persian state like poland, so i think the political nation is consolidated, we don't have a political elite, it's the same as it was in singapore . well, we have a political nation, words of education, we have a political nation well, at least if you are born here, you won't get anywhere. no, i'm not talking. i'm talking about romania and bulgaria, which were colonial and dependent on turkey, etc. you will go there. there are doubts as to why they were accepted into the european union for us, no, but still, it is not, not, the asian path that was offered by the doctor, vladislav , i spoke with you with pleasure, but you just have to give in to the broadcast of iryna koval.

thank you to vladislav kyrychenko, the founder of the publishing house, our format, and it is with great joy that i hand over the floor to iryna koval. because my part of this broadcast has ended and her part of this broadcast has not ended, if you watch the news on espresso, you have heard that you see ms. iryna very often. thank you, mykola i i wish you a good evening. i know and am sure that you will also support both teams in russia. well, i will tell you about the situation that is unfolding there and what is happening in general , so wait for 19:00 in ukraine news time on the espresso tv channel in the studio iryna koval welcomes everyone spectators already in the moscow region, wagner's columns