[000:00:00;00] helps, as well as the fact that the courage we saw in the ukrainians also helps us and we can say that all the women on his a-ah, amen, his intentions are quite more obvious than how it was with putin, no one knew until the end whether putin would dare to go to war, but despite we must be ready for all this in order to defend ourselves and to keep the peace, but tell me, do you imagine any prospects for the democratization of the people's republic of china itself, how much can we count on it in the future, i was the leader of the student community and i actually

from the first 20 years of my life, i devoted my life to the process of democratization of china and i was actually in exile for two 34 years, but during this time my determination was hardened, my hope that democracy in china is strong because i know that the chinese really want democracy, they are not satisfied with the situation in which they live , of course, and the communist party does a good job of brainwashing with its propaganda, but i think that those people who are democrats do not have the opportunity to express themselves like that, but if now i understand when i live in taiwan, i am not from taiwan. i want to say that in reality may ukraine support you 100% now, and i want to tell my friends who are watching us now that we really want

democracy and i really sincerely believe that a time will come when we will see a much more democratic world , and in particular in russia as well . to blow up bridges and the armed forces began a large-scale counteroffensive hanna malyar, deputy minister of defense of ukraine, announced that in particular, in the eastern directions, we will now go on a short break , we are monitoring the situation in russia, and just then we will start our conversation with vitaly portnikov, in a few words, a two-in -one nailer does not need to be cut when used the nail and it is easy to apply twice a day it penetrates deeply destroys stops the reproduction of the fungus brightens the color of the nail neinler two in one it is proven effective

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the prism of war in author's projects on espresso on radio svoboda we have already come to the very change the following shots may shock you news from the scene of events live kamikaze drone attacks political analytics objectively and meaningfully there is no political season exclusive interviews reports from the hottest points of the front svoboda life frankly and impartially draw your own conclusions we continue the saturday political club program vitaly portnikov so we start from here with the hottest topic that is happening in russia , by the way, how would you describe it, mr. vitaly, a coup d'état military coup is it already the beginning of a civil war? i wouldn't characterize it as a coup d'état, not as a war period, because so far there is no

coup, it's an attempt at a putsch, so to speak. and i would n't characterize those as the beginning of a civil war, because a civil war usually occurs when citizens participate, and not as absolutely precisely, we already defined it at the beginning of our conversation, e.e. , criminal groups that fight among themselves, but by and large, this is very typical for russia, history, the russian ruler and this is the essence of their power, and this power , er, it did not appear by itself, it is the cerebral power of the moscow principality. and this power of the moscow principality , it always relied on the traditions of the golden horde. when there are many different e-e squads that fight among themselves and how important it is that these squads support the power of the first person of the khan and the whole

history of the golden horde is a big account. this history of the struggle between such groups of influence is too big, i will tell you more that europe was saved by this struggle, when the horde army was already at the gates of western europe, khan died, everyone had to return to kuroltai, it was impossible not to take part in this, and because if you don't take something, you just lose, they can just kill you later and they just left spocky never came back to europe again, not that far. it was the only chance. imagine that if he had not died, now we would have such a political culture as, uh, in moscow, before lisbon, we could have jokes, jokes. but if to talk about russia itself, er, the discoverer of this system of deterrence by creating a separate army was ivan the terrible, i once even wrote such a text about this

why is the russian state built on a system of horizontal lines, what is optically, it is irregular, there is a regular army, there are regular special services and suddenly some people appear, it is not known who they are, but they enjoy the special trust of the guests, this is malyuta skratov , who is said to have strangled the metropolitan of moscow with his own hands, it's like a sledgehammer , you understand, this prigozhyn blacksmith, and it was the man is absolutely unknown where he came from. but ivan the terrible expanded this riverside saying that they are the territory transverse to the territory of the state, what is important is that he allowed the oprichniks to loot and destroy territories outside the transverse as if it were foreign territory, here we were saying oh, how can the russians bomb crows with knives by the way, they are bombing . just today this proverb became a reality, they bombed voronezh, you can imagine

from airplanes, but this is the feeling that you can treat your own compatriots as foreigners in the medieval sense, the word foreigners is simply to rob them, to rape them, to destroy them simply because of you, you are just a criminal in the service of the monarch, this was a huge tradition, what happened to ivan the terrible, he destroyed this reason because it began to interfere with his relations with the state, then peter and who fought with the shooters, the shooters were the militia, it was not the army, it was the militia, which always demanded for itself special privileges of the free, punished everyone , destroyed, i mentioned this already where we see

analogues of this in the east in the ottoman empire, the janissaries, the sultan destroys the janissaries, and before that the janissaries put sultans whom they like, and only by destroying this medieval janissary system, turkey becomes a more or less modern state in the west , all this was eliminated much earlier, as soon as the state becomes totalitarian, that is, medieval and non-european in terms of values, this construction immediately arises : adolf hitler, who makes the decision that it is necessary to destroy the stormtroopers of ann, the old man of his closest associate, the bandit rem a criminal as a beauty, his stormtroopers who provided the possibility, i would say, of the power victory of the national socialist workers' party of germany, they rob, they rape

, they create dens . it is these people and here suddenly hitler realizes that if he continues to cooperate with them, he will not be able to get support from the german army they say to him, fuhrer, if you are with them, then you did not know how we can be serious about some of your political plans when you hope for the support of a group of criminals and hitler makes a decision to eliminate them , which results in a regime in which the ss become the center of decision-making, that is, the essence of the kgb, that is, the essence of the fsb, as soon as you destroy rem, you give the opportunity to strengthen, not the army. or is it a cyst? now

we see such a hitler . this hector has turned inside out. i mean putin. he has a state in which the fsb manages the fsb effectively. the army is restrained by the generals due to the large number of recruits. agents of this special service and those who are not recruited are simply afraid of the chekists . putin himself or the bones and suddenly he is in this system because he feels bigger than the usual bones or the dictator decides to let the so-called private military transversely company so that it fulfills its dirtiest whims and at the same time does not soil the clean flag of the federal security service of the russian federation or the main intelligence agency of the ministry of defense of russia with its with dirty paws, yesterday we saw an interesting thing that we didn't know about, we wouldn't have found out about it if it hadn't been for the pooch in the middle of nowhere

. lieutenant general alekseev, deputy chief of the main intelligence department of the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation, appears on the screen. a famous game that was always said that it has nothing to do with you what are you this is a private company this is an adventure and he says brothers , you and i performed joint tasks i am proud of our shared experience means you were together after all means these people operated under the cover of the federal security service and the main intelligence department, and maybe even more than the main intelligence department itself, maybe putin assigned to be the curators of these bandits precisely the military squire, who are alternatives to the fsb officers. as an agent, he played ugu, and the grushniks and

the fsbeshniks always had a fight for their agents, but then he raised prigozhin himself , he was a cook, and like prigozhin , he went this way from putin's chef to i will tell you about the blockade. this is also a legend. prigozhyn was never a chef in his life. he was called that. why ? because he organized catering events. it is not conditional, it is such a story, you know this movie is a famous french comedy, the restaurant mr. septima despacittim receives the most serious guests of the city and mert goes there and he is there where he prepares

the dishes. of course, but what did he do when he was the owner of a restaurant, putin hosted george bush there, putin managed visas, celebrated his birthday there, and why is that because putin is part of the st. petersburg mafia and prigozhin is part of the st. petersburg mafia, and if you want to quietly celebrate the day in the restaurant birth or vice versa to drink something to his guest to get something from him or to be frank with him this does not apply to george bush i think that the president of the united states could provide for himself in such a place but many other people, then you need a person who will be whom you will trust prigozhyn became for putin at first such an organizer of production, then he was also not quite pvc, he was the owner of the troll factory , remember, this was also a huge part

of the history of the troll factory, that is, people which demonstrated how it is possible to change the information nature of this or that political event at the expense of huge and information technologies. and by the way, it was not just a troll factory that participated in the propaganda struggle of russia against in ukraine, it was the same factory of trollangels that interfered in the presidential elections of the united states, it is under sanctions for this very reason, he organized streams of compromising material on hillary clint, so you don't need to turn him into a waiter, this is a huge part of the russian propaganda struggle, then pvk what is pvk this means that the main intelligence department of the general staff of general rykseev is a tire of the tour in africa, this tire is aware that certain regimes feel unstable, these

regimes can pay for stability with gold but the grushniks themselves cannot ensure this stability without military force, there is a choice or you send the military there, but this is a real conflict with france on the model of macron and the west, a demonstrative conflict and you don’t want this conflict, you want to knock them out by more i would say hidden combinations do you think that you can create a brigade of mercenaries so as not to involve the army in anya, and by the way, the west has done this many times before, we simply forgot about it because the defense refused to do so by the famous the french mercenary bob denar made military coups several times on the comoros islands, he was in fact the head of state, here is the current head of the comoros islands

, who has now come to kyiv and moscow, he seems to me to be a relative of the same president . if i am not mistaken, who was dinar, he made the president twice the comoros islands, and he himself was actually the ruler of the territory, and these mercenaries were called soldiers of fate, they wandered around africa all the time and carried out the orders of the local authoritarian regimes in the end, the west realized that it was unproductive, he destroyed it all, and he began to tell african leaders that if you want our money, you should hold alternative elections, build democracy, allow your compatriots to rule the states, if i am the president of the central african republic, tuaderas, i don't want it. and the french only the military can give me a contingent to maintain order and fight against terrorists, but not to strengthen my power , so who should i turn to putin and

as soon as wagner appeared and it became it is clear that there is someone to turn to, they immediately recovered. something that we in africa have not seen since the mid-90s of the last century, military coups and these military juntas that began to accidentally pass vlad to the power of that little tovburkina-faso, they suddenly all started to focus on wagner it is serious for russia. and i will tell you more, if prigozhyn had not been there, the russian economy would have started to look completely different because the gold and currency reserves in sudan, in the central african republic, in the small wagnerites, gold is washed and this gold goes to prigozhina's pockets are in putin's pocket and to the central bank of the russian federation. another criminal group that we cannot forget is the elvira group on violins . the central bank of the russian federation. someday they will be beaten there, and faith in

the runner will both honestly and fraudulently manage the central bank, she herself is actually her little hand in the blood of african citizens , citizens of african countries, what kind of wagnerites killed in order to establish control over these deposits, there are also such, together with all the board of the central bank of the russian federation, it is necessary to sit on the dock, let there be excuses, she will say that she is not at fault , but she should be responsible for such things. it is starting to be used not only in africa, but in all of syria, it is also with general alekseev's colleague, why because you do not establish control over the oil field , oil percentage from protection for protection oil fields, where is the adventure in putin's pocket and to the budget of the russian federation, that's how they get the economy. of course, they get the economy through criminal actions. i'm trying to explain it

. when we say, oh, some chef over there made a gang of mercenaries for himself. no, this is the kind of structure. but this but at the same time this structure is not included in any other structure of the ministry of defense of the fsb, so that i can say that putin hitler, on the contrary, he had a clear structure that he transferred such a completely unmanaged organization, the day came when he the army generals came, and i think the generals from lubyanka, and said, volodymyrovych, what can symbols look like, and how do you give them orders, and if they ignore our orders, and if what happens to you, and who will order them, they will seize power the next day after your death look at them well, putin agrees that it is necessary to create a single vertical and this begins the eternal conflict of the sovereign with ivan the terrible's henchmen with the painted leatherette of peter the first

behind hitler's shooters, the sultan with the janissaries yes, several news, as of now, a message in the press service of lukashenka appeared that he, in agreement with putin, held talks with prigozhin during the day and allegedly prigozhin accepted lukashenka's proposal to stop the movement, and members of wagner's communist party in the territory of russia reached an acceptable option. however, prigozhin has already denied this information and i wrote that there were no negotiations , but they did not lead to anything, they were useless. and why is lukashenka's press service lying ? mortal because putin announced in his speech that he is a traitor, so if prigozhyn doesn't win now, he will be in prison. at the very least, putin divorced me. i think that putin , we now understand why putin called lukashenko like him and he was looking for a person among them who capable of deceiving uh-uh-huh i think that lukashenko asked

the hall he told him evgeny well, you understand that you can't against such a machination as putin against the entire russian state against the entire russian army listen to you so much money, you can have such a wonderful life, you have a position in africa, why are you destroying everything with your own hands, and if i had such opportunities as you, evgeny, you would come to belarus with your money and your boyfriends , i need such guys in belarus, it ’s a dream, you know take care of africa in peace, you will take care of yourself in peace, siri, i didn’t let anyone insult you with the word lukashenka, you believe it, you know that i am such a person, if i give my word, i have never

broken it, and he has no home, said sasha go in general, well, thank you very much, mr. president, yes, and this is absolutely the same story. putin needs to buy time, because he needs to understand which security forces are ready to fight, and which will not carry out his orders to protect against wagner, because we perfectly understand that if wagner suddenly reaches moscow and will take control of the russian capital , it does not matter where putin will be at this moment and where he will give orders. putin's regime is self-destructing before our eyes and he needs to minimize the captured territory, and secondly, to prevent dissidents from entering moscow and lukashenko is simply taking time, he acts like a puppet in putin's hands, he knows perfectly well what he is doing, and it is obvious that prigozhin is not the kind of person who will believe lukashenko

and the whole campaign. he knows what awaits him well, of course, he thinks that this is a completely different story. by the way, lukashenko was not one of the negotiators. to the power system

of the deputy minister of defense , he was the governor of the tula region , and this person is also now meeting with the victim and is trying to agree on something with him. his address this morning, so something didn't work out for us, that is, we see , but you already told mr. vitaly that well, he was so confused , let's listen now, i won't let this happen again, we will protect our people and our statehood from any including internal treachery, and what we faced was treachery, unfaithful ambitions and personal

interests led to treason, to treason, to the betrayal of our country and our people, and the cause for which god fought side by side with our other units and units, and soldiers died and commanders of the wagner group, our president volodymyr zelensky reacted to everything that is happening in russia in his evening address and said something today the world saw that the masters of russia do not control anything at all, nothing at all, just complete chaos, come on let's listen, dear ukrainians. i wish health to all the people of the world. today is a day when there is definitely no silence and leadership is definitely needed . today the world saw that the masters of russia do not control anything at all, nothing, just complete chaos, a complete lack of any predictability, and this is on russian territory

, what a loaded weapon we all have let's see how in the 21st year the leader of russia threatened the world , he had some ultimatums, some strength, he tried to show the 22nd year showed that he confused confused with the power of his the illusions and lies with which they feed him, they in the kremlin are capable of any terror, capable of any tourism, but they cannot provide even the percentage of necessary control, and they are the real ones, mr. vitaly. well , in fact, we also see a confused putin, despite the fact that he says everything there, it's clear that he can't control the situation, but i'm curious in which prigozhin puts the president's chair occupied. i think that for the time being, he is aiming

to do everything possible to remove the minister of the defense of the russian federation. this is a very important moment related to his first price. by the way, now prigozhin has allegedly announced that we are deploying our columns and going in the opposite direction. this is the latest news that has now become the first, as you can see. information resources, but the question arises - is it generally true , of course, the moment when blood can be spilled has now reached in the opposite direction oh-oh-oh field camps according to the plan yes, there is such news before this

, i will remind you that there was a report that prigozhyn did not confirm the agreement, it is difficult to understand where the truth is now well, if you really uh, here is another uh statement or vk wagner wanted disband we passed the court in a day and reached 200 km to moscow, we did not spend a single drop of blood of our fighters now at the moment when blood can be spilled, therefore we understand all the responsibility for what can happen against such a person from one side well, that means then maybe the truth is the negotiations with dyumin and not the negotiations with er lukashenka and in this situation dyumin can replace the