[000:00:00;00] of course, of course, i know very well. and how difficult it is to be a refugee or to protect your dearest ones. last year was incredibly scary. previously, there were only internally displaced people in ukraine, such as my parents. we are concluding our interview. thank you very much for visiting us today on franz 24 in the studio. was a ukrainian poet, screenwriter and journalist, love yakymchuk, we saw her collection of poetry apricots of donbas, which is available in english, french and ukrainian languages ​​thank you very much, we appreciate you finding

time for us good health ladies and gentlemen me they call mykola veresen and the ukrainian flag is above me, it’s very nice, so let’s talk about the ukrainian flag now in the context of the ukrainian-russian, more precisely , the russian-ukrainian war, let’s start with yevhen stupak, who is not there yet ? the fourth for 15 years . good health, mr. ivan . it's nice to see you. thank you for joining us on sunday. thank you, i invited you, well, i will use your tip a little later, make the device louder, ivan, because i can’t hear him well, and

i have a question. because here we cannot talk about any objective circumstances, but there is a feeling that the ukrainian front was somehow helped by the events of yesterday and the day before yesterday, something happened there so that, well, at least if you take it formally, i see fewer attacks from the russians for yesterday they were not there, well, conditionally, not 21, well, that is, no, no, no more, and less than usual, what do you say? well, let's agree with you. i don't know what the ukrainian population really was yesterday, but in percentages, but probably more than half, maybe two-thirds or 3/4 of everyone was concentrated, so what happened there in september, when was there all the movement ? yes, and they forgot a little about the front there, they would leave it unattended , well, i mean from the civilian side, but i see and hear reports from our

military that what is promotion they for example calm down, everything will be known later, we have progress, uh, maybe this can be partially connected with the fact that there were a little frustrations of the russians, yes, they are, i also understand, they were sitting in the trenches. is happening, and i can understand their logic of thinking, yes, and we, who are we there for, you are the wreaths, yes, the nets, or are we the zawagners, for whom do we need to take a side, perhaps? this prostration probably influenced the stage that our military was able to advance. of course, there is promotion but we don't call them yet, ivan, now the second question is very much to my

mind , you know. it's not a professional point of view that should be discussed, and you are the right person for this. will he live with his bodyguards or will he be there with his 25,000 soldiers, i.e. do ukrainians need to concentrate more or their efforts in the north still or here ? look at very cool, yes, millions for one and a half dollars, your question is actually i will come in later, you make me drool , i will come in later, as the class said, come to me , i will explain you, tell me, look, what is interesting, okay, he is going to belarus, at least it was announced, and even so, we will go from the very beginning, the beauty has been silent for more than 30 hours at all quiet quiet yes if

earlier there was during the day and appeared there 5-10 times commented there even there somewhere in a humorous sense some messages addresses of journalists nothing at all no comment he does not explain even to his comrades-in-arms there, then on this pvk what happened a-a why did this forrest gump stop there yes we ran she ran and now we are all turning back why are you turning back maybe you got yours you say so with us we are there our er-er there conditions yes, they were listened to, yes, in the kremlin, and there to our demands . they conceded everything, if he is removed tomorrow, gerasimo is hanged, all the others are shot. still listen. yes, he is going to belarus, ah, now the question is, whether he is going alone or with a certain number of people, we do not know how many

people these militants will go with him , it is clear that not 20,000 . say yes, karaul, why did we stop, we should have moved, but today we were already standing on red square, why did you stop , part will go with it to belarus, part will stay here and now this pvc brand i understand that the original will go to belarus yes, he will take it there i don't know him with me there pvk-1 pvk south pvk-2 well this wagner he will remain in the territory of the russian federation it seems to me that in belarus he will be engaged in the training of local law enforcement officers of local soldiers because in belarus in general the belarusian military does not have any experience at all of launching hostilities since the second world war, at all, no, they have never accepted kazakhstan. in the 22nd year, it is not accepted at all, it is not taken into account. i think that the central committee

will train them in a year or so, taking into account their experience, their ability to manage various by helicopters by drones by radio electronic warfare the tactics of introducing combat in the city a-a on the plain er-er it will be very, very useful lukashenko i think for this he involves him in connection with the invasion from the north on the territory of ukraine i think no i think this question is dropped i will explain why, first of all, the number of people is not enough, this is the second time, uh, we see that the kremlin and wagner are no longer friends. yes, they are not friends there, at least so minimally, let's say , thirdly, lukashenko perfectly understands that the most, well, a large number of belarusians enterprises that are located near the border with ukraine in the event of such an attack. it will simply be destroyed

, for example, the mosel oil refinery - 36 km from zhytomyr oblast. you don't even need to use any hymars. no brest well, you can find something there too , and the bible of the economy of belarus will simply collapse like a house of cards . i believe that wagner will take even hundreds or thousands with him. i'm not saying why, because if lukashenko sees on his territory three hundred battle-hardened fighters who can simply under command from moscow in 27 seconds besiege or go directly to lviv churches why take minsk for 60%, the belarusian economy is dependent on russia, it’s the other way around, it’s cool somehow from the third party for me, yesterday i was absolutely convinced that if

the negotiators did not find arguments for the beauties, then i expected at midnight that he would knock on the gates of the kremlin because there there is no there was absolutely nothing there, there was no one to defend themselves, they calmly drove to red square, they knocked, they opened the office of the president, everything is over, i am the president, and there is no advice, you know what i have. so, so, turn around, you were already driving there, on the freeways, on the highways, there. well, you are right. at midnight, he would have stood at the red square over there, well , he could have looked into had at all. how is that line there ? ask how he is doing. at midnight, he didn't explain - i'm sorry, she said in zelena, prepare a place next to putin, don't cook together, that's interesting. i listened to these posts several times. well, the audio

. yes, the message. i didn't hear his voice, and you know . well, such things happen when you are satisfied with the process. you can't say anything. you say whatever. well, everything is fine. it's cool. we'll talk about the details later . i could hear from his voice that everything is not so cool like him. well, there's nothing cool at all. he 's forced to turn back, i'm trying find out what this money is. no, what kind of money? well, a billion dollars before our billion is already 5 billion. if he is going to make money from it, he is not interested in the offer of some kind of position. no, i am not interested. i don't know in the hostages, they showed the video, well conditionally yes there what's not there is a wife and a daughter now we will cut off her head if you don't go back the only thing is how can i explain why let's do it let's just listen to me my wonderful editors

say that we have e this audio recording let us let's listen together for the audience , just so that they temporarily become listeners, please, girls, boys , let us listen to it now, the moment has come when blood can be spilled, so he understands all the responsibility for the fact that russian blood will be spilled. heading to the field camps according to the plan, yes, interestingly, i agree with the plan , so it was a plan to reach moscow, then turn around in short, there are many germs

, i also have a question for you, this is already such a conspiracy and look, it means that lukashenko participated, russian so-called liberal analysts say that the head of the tula region participated there, this former defender of putin, or as his bodyguard, uh, romyn lyubik, well, someone like that yes, and that he seems to be getting more powers after the fact and can become putin's successor, or at least somehow, well, somehow, somehow, act more legally and more publicly . what do you think? i'll tell you right away . on this side, i don't believe in rigging, but i don't believe that it's some kind of the cool oligarchs talked him into it, he started, they talked something into putin's ear, they said, and he then advanced, and this is such a trick , i don't believe it. i believe that after the fact , some forces around putin can take advantage of the situation

, but this is what you think. how is it possible, how is it may take place against the background of the complete weakening of putin, now no russian elite will believe that putin is in such a form as he was before february 24, i agree from the point of view of a-a conspiracy, well, in general. well, come on. who supports any conspiratorial ideas? try it in p' to collect the slaughterhouse in the evening there are seven of my friends to go for a beer. yes, let's start. oh, i can't. the woman wouldn't let me . and i don't like beer, but i want meat, and i'm a vegetarian. well, try it, and someone will be late, but here you say that the student there was hung by the ears, by the way. it's interesting. it's an interesting story that putin is from his entourage . it's been going on for a long time that the more you put pressure on putin, let 's name it. he on it

leads this generally does there third we something don't predict, why do you say something to his ears? i think it's very difficult. he's afraid that they will manipulate there. and now it's simple. look, i don't know. it's so convenient to say with your eyes. let putin, yes, maybe have such a position. yes, putin is 70, sheikh, 68 years old , patrushek is also 70. and here at one moment they put a young, energetic, promising colonel-general such as dyumin, an athlete, in the place of the minister of defense. yes, he is 50 plus there, a little over 50, and then he realizes that this person is not limited to the position of the minister of defense, you know. okay, now it is interesting they get the stars of the hero of the ladies. if he hasn't received the general, he will get the army. and what's next? you know the glass ceiling is what to move on . and this is a young, energetic, ambitious man. well, what

was putin like 20 years ago? maybe one day he wants to become president. he understands that literally enough is enough. one and a half tanks, well, conditionally on red square, and you’re still the president, and then you can say you’re a traitor , you wanted some kind of state rebellion, you went to prison, and there was a shooting, like in what shesk, for example . i also think, tell me if we agree here that this is the season of mutinies, because the history of mankind shows that there is no such thing as once you leave and forget what it is, because this is a famous russian phrase. and why is it that it is in everyone's head? now he sits and stares. so it turns out that it is not easy to overcome thousands of kilometers that they reached

the moscow region without, well, without, in fact , without anything. it's weak, it's the second time, regimes are always destroyed, then when there is weakness, when the government is weak, it's not just there somewhere, it's not written somewhere in the newspapers that the government is weak, no. and when he saw it, everyone, well, everyone, everything is there, everything for the entire population until the last time, then it shows that he is strong, and in ukraine there are no victories there, the russian military always received underpants, but on the mainland, it seemed that there were policemen on fsbshniks, here there were guardsmen. everything is cool here, but when the situation is so hot, yes, the kadyrivians arrived after 3 hours after the end of all the events and they started to protect something, the people realized that the oligarchs, all the technocrats, they realized that this is what it is

. and now think for yourself that in two hours they will sit down in the kremlin somewhere and drink tea , of course they will communicate carefully, but everyone will look at each other slipper, we were literally one step away from the fact that everything over there twisted and collapsed, you know such a car action review yes one thing one thing when a brick fell near you give from well jumped back well everything is fine and in two days you you start to look at it more broadly wow what could it be and then it will already be a shipment for the russians yes, thank you, ivan, i would even add the only thing that i have been analyzing this for a long time that in russia and in general not only in russia, in ukraine also to a certain extent measures of the revolution or stabbing do not win but lose it not because the strong putin beat the weak prigozhin and putin lost and prigozhin lost here everyone lost tsar nicholas ii not because there was a great force against the tsar

because the tsar turned out to be weak that is to say it is a defeat and not the victory of which side ends everything mr. ivan stupak thank you, military expert, employees of the sbu, the fourth 15th year, go drink beer, as we agreed, and i will continue to work, but first we will listen to an advertisement for three minutes, there are discounts on oral spray orasept 20% in pharmacies strength, but from the old mattress the whole body constantly hurts and you can't find a comfortable position on the sofa, you can't help but turn around, you need to improve your sleeping place, meet the new product from the experts mattress tv mattress stopper kasper

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choose the ukrainian view. espresso works for you there is a war going on and not only for the territory, it is also a war for the minds. russia is throwing millions of naftodors to turn ukrainians into little russians ukraine will become russia analysis and analysis of information about ukraine by russian propagandists specific facts and methods by which hostile propaganda turns people into obedient zombies to the information attacks of the russians in the project of the chronicle of the information war with olga laziness tuesday thursday friday at 17:10 on the espresso tv channel once again good health, and i would like to say that today we will be until 6 p.m. and do something like this, you know

, especially for the people of galicia, even for the people of lviv. at the end of the program at 5:30 p.m., the city the head of the wonderful city of lviv, andriy sadovy, i'm just saying this so that people know what to expect, and right now it will be with us oleg saaken, political scientist, head of the platform, the single coordination center, mr. oleg, good health, thank you for joining us on sunday evening and to i'm not here, no, no, we didn't write or prepare the day before yesterday and the day before the day before, well, how do journalists work in general , today there will definitely be only questions, well, not only , but questions about prigozhin, and the question is and what was it, in your opinion, what was it this

there were worries about the future birth of the russian revolution, we saw that russia is really pregnant with it, what are the symptoms and what can be listed as symptoms of this pregnancy, the first elites were accumulating resources for a free struggle , economic, financial, media, power, and now we saw that the seal broke along one such line, the most obvious and there are many groups that are accumulating resources in russia and there is not a single second moment - it is that the situation has been declared - it is not one person who decided with the help of a power resource on to oppose another shoigu, nothing like that is coming, this is a whole group behind him, this one and utkin, and further down the list, financial resources, these hospitals, resources, this is a certain part of the local elites, who are also obviously behind him and whose support he counted on in this

conflict. that is, this is a systemic phenomenon. third - this is the reaction of all the key subjects in the first 12 hours. they expected neither kadyrov , nor the governors, nor the prime minister, nor the speaker, in the first 12 hours before putin's video was recorded the defense of putin is demonstrative, just like the fourth point, that people almost greeted the wagnerites in rostov with flowers, we could see how they were presented and fed, how some were asked questions but were not afraid of them, how some, on the contrary, supported them well, in general , the police, the russian military, who simply they turned and looked in the other direction when the equipment was driving or on the contrary they even approached, greeted tesla, and then passed the governors who reported one after the other that the situation was under the control

of the service, that’s good, well, here are the tanks the wagnerites pass by well, but otherwise everything is fine everything is fine, we didn’t see any of them with a bulletproof vest with a machine gun on the edge of fairy tales over sandbags recording a video of a beauty oh, you’re such a scoundrel, a rebel , just go to my area, we ’ll show you here now, no one of them i did not do it, but i am sorry, i am sorry, please, i am sorry, this is just an important question, it is some kind of russian , purely russian phenomenon, do not wish for victory. i remember the leader of the communist party of russia, who always participates, but at the last moment who could win, for example, in 1996 against yeltsin, but he began to slow down just at the end, just like that. i told everyone last night that if prigozhyn himself did not decide to leave, then by

12 o'clock at night he would knock on the door of the kremlin , nothing would stop him, no one there there was no barricade what you said no governors no no didn't walk in armored vests with a machine gun come in and keep knocking alyo a tell me where putin's office sit in putin's office changes everything the end of the story completely and at the end he says no no i'm here i'm not like that i am waiting for the tram here i decided to go back in general that's enough, why , what kind of absurdity is this , well, we will only be able to find out from the distance of time . telegram channel that yesterday, after putin recorded the video, everyone said, so now we are conditionally changing putin, and from that moment on, the fifth column should have worked in moscow when they approached

300,200 km, if it is not there, then everything will blow away because to enter the brain is one story even plus or minus prigozhyn could reach the garden ring, but he needed to demonstrate wider support a-a maybe something went wrong who he was counting on did not support this and his mutiny and then it is clear that the counter works the other way around putin conditionally leaves the glass controls somewhere under moscow or from peter but nevertheless a week two three four it doesn't matter from a few days to a few weeks but the entrance is not destroyed it's only a matter of time i.e. will putin win in all this uh he won't win just the third side, but the beauty will come easier because of that, i.e. maybe he realized that without additional forces with these forces it will be difficult for him because, well , two two days, relatively speaking, until the west of moscow , there would still be a certain 200 km with pennies

, that is two days of whiskey for the marshal in which condition, these soldiers would come to moscow to conduct combat operations in two days two two days march throw well, i think that all people who analyze plus-minus in their business know about it understand that this is far from the most recent combat condition, that is, here they would be quite easy targets well, and the third point, based on this, now prigozhin has not given up and has not lost, and even if he plays the game right now, he has created a very interesting niche for himself , he is the only one who challenged putin and forced him to reckon with himself and ultimately take it upon himself to agreements, that is, putin said that the traitor must be destroyed and declared that he is a traitor, and after that, through lukashenka, he made an agreement and closed the criminal case

, and he is no longer such a traitor. draw a line, the situation is very interesting, nothing has been completed yet, all the issues that this situation has raised conflict along the lines of prigozhyn and more widely than shoigu, and more broadly, he remains putin did not give an answer about him, he will now need to draw conclusions for the personnel, which he does not want to do, the conflict within the elite is nowhere it doesn't seem like they didn't screw it up, now anyone can take it according to their size and seize it, for example , no, rostov, maybe someone will reduce the size , well, taganrog, someone, and demand from the kremlin that someone take it and announce it now well i don’t know if it’s a march of justice, but a march to moscow without anyone and what. and this can be unpunished if you have enough strength to be feared, then he demonstrated this weakness, and this is also a question that remains weak putin and the third, and what after, that is

, struggle and ice, that’s all another thing is that now the post-war period has opened, they understand that they need to be ready if such a precedent is created, which they all intuitively felt, for which they were preparing to some extent, but pushed it out, and now it has fallen on its head, and it turned out that it is realistic this is not an illusion and it turned out that they need to be ready for russia post-putin, so the elite race begins with double the power well, and the fourth moment against the background of this, a whole number of players did not show their loyalty to putin himself in the first couple of days, and now those who got on the jets need to draw conclusions and those who flew from russia, like kadyrov, said that well, i was flying there somewhere and could not contact you earlier, and now that the situation has already been decided, he is writing a post in which the one who is loyal to putin is the first to send his kadyrov men who actually arrived when everything ended and came to block the wrong