[000:00:00;00] you know, they are increasingly narrowing the circle of how it was done, and it seems to me that when it is possible to prove it, let it not be in court, but at least at the level of facts, then we have to ask the question precisely about the continuation of these sanctions , including about diamonds and because this is actually the use of weapons of mass destruction in ukraine, even without the use of tactical nuclear weapons and so on, in terms of its consequences, it even exceeds the use of nuclear weapons, and as a matter of fact, it is one more step for us - it is very clearly to put pressure on russia the situation in the soviet union, because after the dam was blown up, it is obvious that many in nato and the european union must understand

that, to put it bluntly, russia is capable of anything and when russia retreats, it remains a completely burnt earth for decades, and therefore it must be very clear criteria and requirements for russia, as it was with the requirements for the proposed use of nuclear weapons, and not only from the eu and nato, but also from the side of asian countries, for example, china, which quite clearly made russia understand that it is not he who is categorically against the use of nuclear weapons, alexander nu i let's give you the last question, hmm, about this beautiful circus tent, last weekend, the day before yesterday, we can even say that we asked a question, whether putin's position was shaky in a certain way, according to your expert opinion, it was

absolutely shaky, then putin lost, putin left, putin lost in any case, but the fact that prigozhin actually carried out his er his march-throw to moscow through a large number of er regions and the east in a few hours captured one of the largest cities of russia, rostov-on-the-don, voronezh and actually if we talk about what russia looks like now, we talked a lot that it is moving towards north korea, but you know what happened in russia, this is sudan in its purest form , the situation was the same with the institution of private -e military company that was integrated into the structure of the ministry of defense but refused to obey it, and due to the efforts of the ministry of defense to create this

structure, the mutiny began, and the fact that an agreement was reached with the former means only that putin realized that he did not have the resources in order to simply destroy the insurgents, because from the russian point of view they had to be destroyed, this means that he was not sure that he would hold moscow, and actually, you know what was happening in these cities in russia very much resembled the crimea in 2014, when they used to call themselves merry people, and now the wagnerites called themselves good people who use and so on. and we can say that the vertical of putin's power has shown its absolute ineffectiveness if it is necessary to protect the state and its citizens. strictly speaking, no

managed to find and protect putin himself and this means that putin's power is not something absolute. actually, it seems to me that his external allies and the summer of russia will also come out of this. well, this is very, very good for us, mr. oleksandr i i would like to say one more important point that what the consequences could be if the beauty is released. we do not yet know where he is, but if he is released, it will be another, let's say , a repetition of the same situation when shamil basayev made a raid on any person and took him to the hospital took hostages and then we said they let them go, this led to the multiplication of terrorist attacks, and russia seems to have been fighting this for 10 years after that, and if everything works out for prigozhin, he got everything he wanted, then we can

expect a repeat from the front , we know that dozens of units will return they are deserting with weapons, and in fact such a march to moscow may happen again. let it happen even to prigozhyn. god grant that it will happen to me . oleksandr. let it happen. thank you for participating in the program. thank you for your professional comments and answers to my questions. was oleksandr leonov, executive director of the pen applied research center, and well, according to the rules of television, we are forced to go for a short advertisement, but a very short one. see you in a few minutes, fungus on the nails, there is a solution, there is a discount on the therapeutic lacquer of amodern neo 10% in pharmacies. traveller, you and savings together jokes with pepper humor with victory from the creators of the sketch show nashi bez rashi meets on june 13 in lviv in the theater named after

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to friday at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 world at war is back on air espresso before i introduce my next guest and move on to discussing the next block of questions i'll do what i always do i'll summarize the answers to the question we asked you on youtube on a special to the channel created for the world during the war program, so today we asked you whether prigozhin has shaken putin 's position. well, the answers are as usual three yes no your option yes 71% think so, 26% think no, 4%

have their own option their option can be read in the comments there is a big thank you to all the 1,340-47 people who are currently watching us on our special channel for the world at war program and in general to everyone who watches us online where we have not been turned off and on the main express youtube channel well, let's move on to the second part of today's programs to me, vladyslav, a couple in paraponov, an analyst, an interview with ukraine, a co-founder of the institute of americanists, americanists , vladyslav congratulations to you, glory to ukraine, congratulations to the heroes, thank you for joining. speak well, at least during my first question, in the event

that russia uses nuclear weapons in ukraine, it will be considered an attack on nato. therefore, in the upper house of the us congress, it was presented to the senate by republican senator gram and democratic senator richard blumenthal. in their opinion, the adoption of the resolution will be a signal to the leadership of the russian federation that the use of nuclear weapons will lead to war with nato , and no one wants this, or obviously nato they will react to this, but at the same time i must also emphasize that this resolution, even if it is adopted in the senate, will not be binding on the executive power and there will only be a recommendation, mr. vladyslav, according to your professional opinion, even if it is only recommendations - a recommendation in nature, and if it is adopted in the congress in the senate - it will be important for us. well, look, i think that we

should proceed from two positions for the time being, it will be adopted or or i will not be approved and in general there is conditionally whether or not it would be worth registering such a resolution at all yes or no i think it is still worth it because if you choose between the absence of this discussion and in particular in let's say so in the corridors that is called american the establishment, and in particular the congress, i think that in fact this will definitely not interfere, because again, it is very important, uh, also those symbolic messages that the resolution itself carries. in my opinion, the first three of them are very symbolic that this pair of senators has been for a long time registers many resolutions in support of ukraine, er, starting from a resolution that would call on the state department to recognize russia as a sponsor of terrorism, to er, this one, and in april, if you remember, it

was a resolution in support, which essentially means er, those actions of the united states ensured the victory of ukraine. this is also, in principle, these senators, uh, just registered it, and it is very important that they represent more than one party, that is, what does this essentially mean, such bipartisan work, and it is at these briefings when they announce initiatives personally, to me, they look like such a unified team. i have the impression that they work together every day . yes, and only on this, it is very symbolic and very important, especially in those times when we occasionally hear calls for reducing support the second is that this the resolution, again, if it is adopted, but it calls for the start of consultations, that is, between the members of nato

the day before , i think this is a very relevant issue. i understand that the senators are hoping that president biden would take the initiative to consult before the summit, and at the summit to discuss something substantive, which then went into the final comic, at least that would be logical in my opinion, and the third thing is also not it is less important that in fact , this resolution as a whole returns yes to such a general american and essentially atlantic discourse in general regarding precisely the safety of the nuclear power plant in ukraine, in particular the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, because without exaggeration the speed of i think that the american public could theoretically

miss it, but here it is a different matter when american senators are actually talking about it, and accordingly it is a completely different level of discussion and here they say to ignore it it won't work because uh, again, if such professional, experienced uh, and influential senators register such a resolution, it means that we are really approaching such a critical moment, as they say, so again, if you choose between this resolution and not and that she is registered, of course, it is good for us that she is registered, because at least this will definitely turn the attention of the white house again, and as a result, it may turn out that then the white house, let's say , is faced with several options for the development of

events or something independently or in cooperation with by these senators , yes, it means, er, to say what. here, what do you have even more specific proposals , er ? the consequence can be caused, that is, it can result in an increase in aid to ukraine specifically to prevent the consequences of this possible disaster or at least a quick response if there are provocations that the ukrainian authorities talked about last week very actively vladyslav well, you say what for we are even fine if this initiative was not registered. but is it according to your professional expert opinion, and is there still a chance

that it will pass in the congress, and you say that now the democrats are working together with the republicans in tandem? i am more worried about whether the republican party will support party because we know there is a group of lenses grand for me personally this is a person of the same buregan mood against russia do some other representatives of the republican party in the senate in the chamber support this position now we are talking about the senate well, that's why it's also the case that, in fact, even the initiatives that i mentioned, uh, from this couple of senators, they were actually not actually supported, and so far, uh, only registered resolutions have remained, but you know i will say that in fact, resolutions are not even adopted, yes. they also really have weight, because accordingly, when new people come to the congress, let’s say

, they also look there, which resolutions were registered, what time does that mean, and so on , that is, yes i think that in fact she has resolutions, at least this quickly. i think there are few chances for success, again, in particular, because it is basically useless there , except for these consultations with nato countries. it does not actually call on the administration to start these consultations . conditionally, this resolution is not needed, and that’s why here , again, it’s more about such media influence, more of a prodiscussion course than about the real results of this particular resolution, but i’ll repeat that this is also very important because american society very often and these are several studies confirm

what is it ready to respond to, let's say, on those topics, on those proposals for that woman, how do we now say what the politicians are actually ready to offer her? yes. actually offer yes. that is, on the one hand, i would be a closed circle , and on the other, again, it allows the administration to talk a little more about it, and in particular, hoping for at least the understanding of some part of the republican party , i absolutely agree here. understanding, in fact, there are not many chances for the real adoption of this resolution. i think that there are approximately 30x70 in favor of the fact that it can be adopted, because i will repeat even the previous one

. it means that they are fast in the need for adoption, yes. in other words, we understand that conditionally, if it happens after nato, then it is possible and there is no need for this resolution, because there are prescribed consultations with the alliance states, which will take place in this way, yes well, that is, in fact, then the meaning is lost, so uh, in principle, this document, so again, if it were possible to have a little more time, yes, but we understand that in our country , all events are changing very quickly recently, therefore, for me, this is also an important signal that the american the senators were ready to react so quickly literally there, in fact, they registered a resolution on thursday. last week, yes, this is also an indicator that, after all, there is a large group in the senate and the house of representatives that is ready to respond so quickly to those challenges that are also dynamically

changing. well, thank you for clarifying that even the fact of registration is already good for us, and with such a resolution, let's now go to the chinese-american- chinese relations a little because, well, from these acquaintances, maybe at least it seems so to me somehow further, it is possible to develop support, it is not formulated in such a different way, perhaps from the establishment of relations between china and the neighboring states of america , the attitude of china to the russian war in ukraine may change . maybe so, anthony blinken state the secretary of the united states of america made a tour and joe biden, the president of the united states, said that the tour should be very effective and cool and generally cool and that it is possible just this era of mutual cooling may have a chance to end and the warming in your opinion can

be a warming or not and if there will be a warming is it possible that after this the united states of america will of course think about itself , the president of the united states of america will think about his country, first of all, about his people, but can he after this, if there is this warming, somehow put more pressure on china for china to support russia less well, this was one of the key topics of this visit, and anthony blinken stated this even earlier when the visit was planned, which took place. only now, let me remind you, it was planned in february, and then, in fact, everything was almost done. ready for the start of this visit, but then china launched this uh-uh balloon for surveillance , and accordingly, the united states had no choice but to first shoot it down, and secondly, to definitely cancel the visit on such a background . -e if eh this means that the information is confirmed that china provides

assistance to russia, in particular , with regard to the circumvention of sanctions and , in particular, also security assistance. way to improve yes and this is understandable because the united states actually spends a lot of effort and here it is not even about er funds not about weapons a- but the effort from the point of view of just - first spend the so-called sanctions audit, secondly, it is to convince other states to introduce sanctions or strengthen sanctions. therefore, this is definitely one of the key issues, and as a result of the visit, anthony blinken was assured

that china will not do this. and what is it really like? china does not plan, let's say, to worsen its relations with the united states, but we know very well that a large part of this russian cooperation is precisely aimed at the economic dimension, and that precisely the economic cooperation between these two states has grown significantly over the past 1.5 years therefore, this is precisely the moment where the united states can actually influence this very little , but also. i think that unambiguous such hints were made during this visit. but at the same time, there are also many such problems . yes, and this applies in particular to the increase in the number of nuclear warhead china where uh it's only from the information of the snake we actually

understand what is possible in reality it's much more but nevertheless i think that still one of the key questions was this taiwan yes and anthony blinken i think even more more directly than before, or maybe even more directly than that , because the president said that the united states and this administration will essentially support the one-china policy and do not support the essentially independence for taiwan, i will briefly remind you that the united states has a separate law regarding the need to support the continuation if it means that an armed attack will be made on taiwan and that is why the united states from time to time activates this discussion because it has a separate legislative the act that provides

this is why i think that globally it can be said that the parties, as they say, agreed to agree, but after the last meeting , everything and biden were agreed, and the white house communicated publicly several times about the work in such working groups, they related there from climate change to economic cooperation and so on, i understand that since november of last year , it was conditionally agreed to continue moving in this direction during blinkin's priority visit in february of this year, as of now, i don't quite understand where i got into this dialogue because again, no visit and no meeting, and in particular from the american side , could not be realized if they were not prepared, that is, they allegedly agreed that the bidens should

meet next time but it is obvious that before that it must be done. let's just say that antony blinken actually has some work in his several interviews. by the way, there are many, well , enough. many journalists were also invited to this tour and they were recorded in china. in one of the interviews he said that it means i can't now divulging any more such serious details means agreements, so uh, i think that only after public communication later or maybe hints about the preparation of the upcoming meeting, it will be possible to draw conclusions about whether the parties really managed to move forward. as they say in this direction, is it still yes, for now only how did you correctly say the cooling eh let's say this eh temperaments of both sides eh could have been at this meeting mr. vladyslav and the last ones, well this is not the last i

wanted to ask you a lot more but thank you very much for telling everything in great detail, but tell me, please, the topic of trump has been somewhat forgotten behind all the other things that are happening . please tell me, but very briefly, literally 20 minutes, and what’s up with trump, well, look , actually, despite the accusations against him, trump is still in the lead positions in the polls er means er if we are talking about the nomination within the republican party yes and in fact i don't think that er significantly he can somehow advance from these er from these first positions because if now, after the presentation of the accused in several criminal cases, he still remains the favorite, it is actually difficult to say what could have gone differently, but it is also very important

to understand that in view of the increase of candidates in the primaries in the republican party, i do not i think that trump will have a great chance to expand his support, that is, he will maintain the existing level of support, but he will definitely not gain new supporters. expert answers for interesting answers it was vladyslav faraponova, interview analyst from ukraine, co-founder of the institute of american studies, time is running out, so i have to make a quick grab under the bag ee youtube results we asked you a question, did prigozhin shake putin's position, three answer options, as usual, yes, no, your option 70 and 1% believe that it has shaken 24% believe that it is not your option 5% your options can be read in a-a comments right now we have 1,866

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