[000:00:00;00] that's why there are no more questions, but they must be asked, the authorities must be constantly scolded so that, you know, there are no mistakes . there will always be them, but there must be fewer of them, and in the matter of information hygiene, information security , information freedom, so that it is enough , because then there is no need to ask why not, we are not in the eu or why we are not in nato because why do we look like a dictatorship why do i look like a democracy or the same thank you for being with us i say goodbye to you until tomorrow now with the presenter serhii rudenko we are watching together good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine is a program verdict my name is serhii rudenko i congratulate everyone and wish you good health the ukrainian army is developing a counter-offensive in the eastern and southern directions putin and his allies and gerasimov are trying to recover from

bagnerivshchyna after the armed rebellion in russia prigozhin disappeared somewhere in the belarusian forests and just a few hours ago an audio recording appeared where the leader of a private military company, wagner, tries to explain what happened on june 24, says that it was just a march of justice, there were no hints of a change of power, and even more so a change putin's oleksii danilov says that russia is already preparing negotiators for peace talks with ukraine, and among these negotiators is the secretary of the national security and defense council. there is the surname of lukashenko , the self-proclaimed president of belarus. ukraine so, at the beginning of the great

war in ukraine, 225,580 russians have already died in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 950 people since the beginning of the great war , the russians have already lost 4,031 and 7,820 in ukraine armored combat vehicles 4,055 artillery systems 624 rocket systems of salvo fire 385 air defense means 314 airplanes 38 helicopters - 6751 units of automobile equipment 18 boats boats 1214 cruise missiles - 3482 drones and 539 units of special equipment these are the results i hope it is the first guest

. pavlo klimkin, mr. pavly, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you on our broadcast, and sergey, i congratulate and congratulate all your viewers and listeners. let's talk about what happened during the last three days in russia. because in fact, i think you definitely remember two uprisings, that's already the third, well, at least i remember three mutinies in russia, it was in 1991, when there was the august coup, when the verkhovna rada of the russian federation was shot in 1993, and actually it was an attempted mutiny, although it can probably be considered that it was a mutiny, because the president of russia made an address and or not

for the first time, he was standing next to some wall, not sitting majestically at the table and talking about the fact that there are scoundrels who need to be destroyed, and then it turned out that it was possible to come to an agreement with the scoundrels, and to come to an agreement through lukashenka, it seems to you that what happened on the 24th in the russian federation, this is a resolution, this is a performance. is this just a criminal showdown of several gangs of gangs who are now claiming part of it is in power and part is claiming it? well, first of all , russia is a sectarian country and the regime there is also conceptual, so compare it with us with measures to try to make some parallels or comparisons, it's such a bad thing, secondly, of course, it was all serious, it's not some uh, variation of staging and i wouldn't compare

it with the 90s, although to some, uh, it seems similar, third, well, we everyone can clearly see that from the point of view of the logistics of tactics and movements in everything was prepared and prepared 100% for more than one day and i think for more than one week another question is whether the drive or several devices worked with the russian ministry of defense strike according to wagner in what sense was he or wasn't he an attempt to put pressure on prigozhyn and many other things about which we can of course speculate here in any way but nevertheless this is an absolutely real story with real

emotions of the edge you are just showing tanks that got stuck there well, there is a tragedy in this, because russia is this regime, and the nuclear regime is also kamism, a tank, a circus, rostov and everything that goes with it, so of course we will see a lot of things in the future, since this is not the last series and definitely not the penultimate my intuition somehow tells us that we will still see prigozhin in russian politics, including and regardless of the agreements that were or were not reached

prigozhin. charisma for a large part of russians, it is close to them, no matter what polls there are, we still do not believe in them, but a large part of her is mentally supportive of prigozhin and believes that prigozhin won. well, in the end , what we saw in any version showed putin's personal weakness, but this dealt a blow to his authority, in the end to his leg, and it is possible to speculate which russian government and elite group won or lost. but putin personally definitely lost, he appeared with one speech with one statement on saturday morning and then somehow again disappeared and this actually also revealed his personal weaknesses as

the head of russia and this also means and this is my understanding of the situation that prigozhin enjoys the support of part of the russian elite that he was deliberately pushed for what was happening and these screenwriters who planned it were also preparing for this, they perfectly understood the possible impact and possible result , and it consists in, as i said, showing putin's weakness, but the second point is that he can create difficult challenges for us in the future, i believe that this is the desire to show the west that there is no stability in a nuclear state , that the war affects the internal stability of russia, and if so, then it is necessary to somehow start talking with russia

, this is the message. i called it a putsch because it is a classic path , and it was also well understood. the decision about whether or not prigozhin, who can play a different role in russian reality , will not be the person who will lead russia for us, and accordingly all our strategy and tactics must be loaded for people who have a different

mentality than putin, this is an option for me too i don't rule it out, because it was interesting. it was interesting to see how uh, people manifest themselves during the putsch. there wasn't this long distance, even if it was 48 hours or a little more than 72 uh, 72 hours. so obviously we saw everyone in all their glory, especially if they reached moscow didn't stop 2 hours before moscow, so obviously we saw a completely different political elite, but for now, you mentioned putin , let's see how putin looked before the threat of prigozhin and wagner, because it is very important, let's protect our people and our

statehood from all kinds of threats in number here is internal betrayal, and what we faced is precisely betrayal, unrepentant ambitions and personal interests led to treason, to treason, to treason, to one's country and one's people , and to the cause for which god side by side with our other units and units , the fighters and commanders of the wagner group fought and died in this situation, mr. pavla, i am interested in whether russia will go the way of creating some of these detachments that will guard the cities there , will there be any security forces patrolling there and will they mobilize more people or not it will turn out that, well, the majority of these units can once again go the way of uh-huh, and uh , for them, excessive mobilization or large mobilization is a threat to the regime that currently

exists, because if wagner could swing these situations during a fairly short period, destroying, among other things, seven helicopters and one plane, because this is very important and which shows that prigozhin was ready to kill the pilots of their high-class military there as well , moving towards moscow, that this was not an obstacle for him, or is this the unnecessary militarization of russia, which they are now striving for, dangerous for the regime itself, for putin himself, definitely. this regime is a reserve because there are too many lines of pressure and lines of internal tension. there are very difficult problems in communication between different summers who are worried about their place in the future and what

happened. in fact, i asked a difficult question, but actually do russians need putin? they always said that russia is putin. putin is russia. and now the countdown to the presidential elections has started. there are a lot of big people here, and in fact , the russian population is already thinking about russian. is putin the personification of russian stability? and is he the personification of strength? do you remember he said there, let's wet everyone in the toilet, and here it is, in fact. look at the column . it is important and this feeling in the whole world is a perception. what happened and how it happened is perceived by the whole world as

several tens of thousands of criminals or mercenaries who at some point calmly came to our border, returned to rostov , captured rostov, captured voronezh, they also said that we will capture something else in krasnodar, created a column and went to moscow, at the same time, as you said, shooting down planes and helicopters, and this is actually the feeling of the whole world, and i talked not only with western politicians, experts, and for example, zaghia, and they have about the same thing, although slava and other things, but the feeling is the same. and you started with this piece of putin's video when he says there betrayal betrayal, well that's natural and although he looks annoyed and even partially lost in this video, putin is definitely not taras bulba and definitely not gogol and i

advised you, i'll kill you, it's somehow not putin's he it has already created and created, as the whole world understands, as a result not just of a war with us, but the result of the fact that he cannot advance further, he cannot win by definition and he actually loses and creates new tools or uses new tools from those tools because wagner has been used for many years, all in africa, but this means that these tools are starting to live their own lives , that these tools are starting to be used by the russian elite who want to get their place under the sun in the future, and this elite is starting to

to plan for the period after putin. this is the logic that i was talking about. putin is russia, it is putin who suffered the most as a result of this coup. ah , what is it possible to do? is it all conceptual and in general something will change and in fact uh today's interview is pretentious if we watch it it will hit many russians and say things that are understandable for russians he says yes we are more fictitious than the russian army this is his first thesis the second simple thesis yes those are closer who is from the russian ministry of defense who joined us and this means that not only vajner participated in this coup, and the third one he says there yes, of course we came here 700 or so kilometers, well we stopped but we

stopped ourselves, it was our decision, none of us i didn't stop the interview. hey, many people thought that no, no, he will shut his mouth, this will be the result of an agreement, ab- but i'm coming, he says now and fill in the same. and what part of the russian population wants to hear, i will never say society, but it means that he is beautiful to a large part of this population, he looks like a person who is stronger and better said cooler than putin and this is the very reason why i believe that either it is agreed that someone will try to eliminate him or he has, whether we want it or not, some kind of future in a country like russia, and this should be taken seriously volodymyr zelenskyi says that the world saw that the masters of russia do not control anything, we will hear

the president of ukraine today, the world saw that the masters of russia do not control anything at all , nothing at all, just complete chaos, complete absence some kind of predictability, and this is on russian territory, what kind of weapons are loaded, we all remember how in the 21st year the head of russia threatened the world, he had some ultimatums, some strength, he tried to show, the 22nd year showed that he confused confused with the power of his illusion and with the lies they feed him, they in the kremlin are capable of resorting to any terror, capable of resorting to any stupidity, but they cannot provide even the percentage of necessary control, and they are the problem, in fact, in one day, they

lost the number of their cities of millionaires and showed all the russian mercenary bandits, oligarchs and anyone else how it is. it is easy to capture russian cities and probably arsenals with weapons. now it is very important that no one in the world is silent because they are afraid of this russian chaos, sir, it is a fairly simple question, we know that putin always in such inconvenient situations for him , he begins to raise the stakes, that is, to go somewhere in the upward direction and either threaten or use some kind of weapon there to blow up the kakhovka hpp or threaten to blow up zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. what do you think in this situation when , well, he obviously received such a loud slap in the eyes of all russians who

really believed that putin is the strongest and the king in the russian federation, can he use the russian-ukrainian front to do something it is quite shameful for us and for the world, for the sole purpose of demonstrating that he has power and that he is in control of the situation, if necessary, he can get some magic weapon in his mind and prove to the world he was and remains in force. i do not exclude this and i do not even exclude that he thinks about options for the use of nuclear weapons . well, in what way, let's think together, mr. sergey, he can show his coolness when prigozhin showed the whole of russia, well, if they

did not treat him that he is actually cooler than putin, that he can go against the system, that he can win in one day, and at the same time, whatever agreements were reached, he continues to say what he thinks is necessary and again, and then there is the question of who won is also for the majority of russians. i think that although they are in this. well, it is certainly not recognized. but nevertheless, the handsome man won and i am a liar. i very much agree with the president who said that it is very important that now we explain europe and the west and not the west and this is the most difficult challenge that there is no need to be afraid of this chaos and this chaos can only be curbed by raising the rates on

our part and if we raise the rates, then putin will think 250 times whether he can apply anything at all in order to er without any progress on the front, since the establishment of nuclear weapons will not have any military advantages, but to create panic, to create a psychological drive , to show how cool he is, putin definitely can , he is definitely in a completely different psychological state, he understands that he has lost, he understands that he has lost, the russian elites themselves understand and he somehow needs to get out of this situation and the way out is very simple or he starts looking for options starts to reboot russia starts

to reboot first to the ministries the defense of those people whom many russians directly blame for the failures of this war, and he needs to find these, uh, these are the ones, it could be that it could be gerasim in although i actually think that putin will continue to work with gerasimov, he respects him very much and despite the changes in some positions and so on, but to remove shoigu - it seems to me that this is already too little, because somehow it will not work to show oneself as cool by interrupting shoigu, and that is why i absolutely do not rule it out again, i say that putin can go to raise rates, uh, at all uh, in a completely different way, the only question is whether his power structures, his

armed forces, are in general ready to carry out his orders. because we heard and saw this video from the russian military who said yes and no, and his guards. by the way, what is it there for ? our fellow wagnerites , we respect them, we will not shoot at our own, and the question arises as to whether putin’s orders are still final inside. if you want the last resort, the last resort from the point of view of the leadership, since the russian elite is significant part of the military leadership understands that raising the stakes for the use of weapons of mass destruction or something else will lead, firstly, to the destruction of today's russia, as they know, and secondly, to punishment , it will not happen that someone will jump out later and say i had an order here i obeyed

100%. no, what the event has to say now is to say it in different texts without any diplomatic wording, it is mandatory . by the way, regarding the event and regarding the reaction of the deputy secretary of the security council, or rather the head of the council of security of the russian federation, dmitry medvedev, he has already begun to scare the west, saying that above you do not understand who the nuclear button and nuclear weapons can be, that is, the person who blackmailed the whole world for a year and a half that we are now using tactical nuclear weapons in the event that the ukrainians enter the territory of the crimean peninsula, now he is shouting that is, look, bandits want to take power in russia, although

for the west, in principle , what is prigozhin, who is blackmailing the whole world and blackmailing russia, what is medvedev, who is blackmailing the whole world with nuclear weapons. elected by the people, there is some official or deputy, or i don't know, the head of the state duma , he is appointed by putin, the world is yours. when they say that this is an internal matter of the russian federation, what happened to wagner, what does he want to er-er articulate to putin so that he stopped and because it will lead to a disaster for putin personally or the fact that putin himself has to figure it out or that the west will recognize any successor to putin if he is legally elected in the presidential elections, well, first of all , about medvedev, he now has jealousy

somehow er mock just listened ot slur but i wanted to say another word but you found a more polite one and i think that actually er is a beauty in the west i wouldn't say more i respect it is disrespectful but nevertheless they treat him much more seriously because where medvedev is treated mainly as a person who writes posts that are taken from no one knows where , but that gozhen is considered by many as a real figure well, what about all the threats well, of course, the logic of what the americans say is the logic of what the europeans say, but they also say the same the chinese this is your internal matter you have to roll it out for the americans and our allies it is clear they want to say clearly we have nothing to do with it these are all

problems of russia there is no need to speculate on the fact that we are trying to influence the internal situation in russia because otherwise in russia , respectively to its nuclear doctrine, there is a reason , respectively, for either launching strikes or raising the level of rhetoric and raising the stakes. and as for the chinese, for the chinese , the stability of russia is important to them. it is not needed at least today and they will say. let them put things in order themselves, and for the chinese, this means. let there be stability and we recognize what they are doing in russia as an element of the powers of the current russian government, i.e. the content of these rather standard formulations is the internal

affairs of russia not in the western world and in the western world is fundamentally different . of lukashenka himself, that he was negotiating with the victim and tried to act as a mediator between putin and prigozhin , well , it all sounds funny, lukashenko in the role of negotiator between putin and his cook. how likely is the scenario that prigozhin and his wanderers may end up in belarus and this will pose a certain threat to ukraine because they will end up on our northern

front, that wagner may end up in belarus or part of wagner. i do not rule it out because he has not previously cooperated with the belarusian regime in africa and in various african countries, so they have a history of cooperation there , or lukashenka was the decisive negotiator , i have great doubts about that, but nevertheless show him as a formal option of these agreements, it was. this is how i understand the decision of the kremlin and putin personally. in my opinion, the decision is unsuccessful because it shows once again and in a very clear way the weakness of putin. and if lukashenko is needed, who is treated in moscow with with a frank witness in order to say , yes, here you are the guarantor of our agreements, that's how it