[000:00:00;00] already end up in belarus or part of wagner. i do not rule it out because he has not yet cooperated with the belarusian regime in africa and in various african countries, so do they have a history of cooperation there, or was lukashenka a decisive negotiator in that ? no less to show it as a formal version of these agreements , it was i understand the kremlin's decision and putin's personal one. in my opinion, the decision is unsuccessful because it once again and very clearly shows putin's weakness. and if lukashenko is needed to who is viewed in moscow with open connivance in order to say, yes, here you are, the guarantor of our agreements, so this all

looks frankly bad, uh, we know that there were various attempts to talk, and prigozhyn is good from the cart with the russian elite, although he pretends to be such an anti-elite fighter but in fact he is very interpolated into the russian elite, he knows everything about everyone , but the russian elite also knows everything about prigozhin. and by the way, it was decided not to make any emissions as of today. well , in the end, lukashenka is still trying ensure one's security and stay in the game of this tactical nuclear weapon under the control of russia. but nevertheless, on the territory of belarus, this is also the situation with wagner, and i think that lukashenko also dreams of playing a role in russian politics. i

think that it sits somewhere in his mind and subconsciousness and in putin's place, i would understand that lukashenko can still play his card in russian politics by agreeing with some players. by the way , how was the entire history presented in russia this hour, how did the propagandists scream about the fact that all these cars that go on they had to go to moscow, kyiv, lviv, or warsaw, they went to belokamyana, we have a small fragment of this video, watch 25,000 heavy vehicles with anti-aircraft systems, 1,000 extra cars, they didn't go to kyiv

, they didn't go to lviv, i went to warsaw, i went to moscow русский soldiers must march to kyiv, odessa, and nikolaev, and not in any other direction, what russia is doing and what it got as a result of this march of so-called justice. this is obviously a response to the fact that russia has always tried to be a country that attacks and not a country that defends itself, i.e. obviously, in their military doctrine there was not even uh well, there was a mention that there was a conditional measure by which they could attack the russian federation, but judging by the way prigozhin briskly advanced into the interior of the country and to of moscow shows that no one is there, well, especially, for them, he does not exist

. the whole government is corrupt. the security forces lie under those who enter the city. it says that , or does it testify . this, this, this. what happened? weaker even more than what was shown by the ukrainian army. is it an illusion that this is how it turned out in prigozhin, and suddenly, let's imagine that 25,000 of the ukrainian army would have marched there from the sumy region or from the chernihiv region to moscow, they would have easily reached the problem there too already decided the finale of the russian-ukrainian war somewhere on the approaches to the domkad. what do you think, mr. pavla? i think that mine were broken and we broke them for the first time

in history, and this means that the columns were already on their way and they were going to kyiv and they were going to mykolaiv, but where are these column is well known to everyone in kyiv. it is well known and it is known in moscow, but it also means a very simple thing that in russia too, in the end, they have to find out, it means that if their columns do not go, as you said, as a result of the attack , then the columns go to moscow, and what they achieved is that the columns and they will continue to go to moscow, they may be military, they may be mental , these may be columns of misunderstanding, these may be columns of irritation, these may be columns of hatred, but russian citizens have realized that they actually

live in the wrong country as a result of this punch who were constantly told about this and they achieved what they wanted, they went with the columns against us and now the columns are coming at them and this is a very simple truth and they must learn this lesson and if they do not learn it, we will help them, the russian edition verstke today wrote about what in belarus, they began to build camps for the placement of fighters of the private military company wagner after agreements with oleksandr lukashenka, who negotiated with yevgeny prigozhyn, according to the publication, the first camp for 8,000 people is being built in located 200 km away from the border with ukraine, osypovych, as mogilev region , according to the interlocutor of the publication, the workers were given the task of building a camp with an area of ​​24,000 m² very quickly, tomorrow until lunch, said the interlocutor of the publication, when we talk

about how prigozhin got to belarus , what is the role of lukashenka here? lukashenko is trying to play with the russian elite. we are not yet considering one option, mr. pavlo , and that is that priozhyn can be, let's say , incorporated in belarus in order to, to put it simply, replace lukashenko in one of the ways to actually take over the leadership of the belarusian army there and make the same coup for lukashenka, is it possible for us to have no lukashenko in minsk, but an honor like that? i think that lukashenko understands this very well, that he also

conceptual things, they seem to work with the likes of putin and prigozhin, but at some point everything can break. i also saw this news, but i don’t have confirmation. some part of wagner will definitely be placed in belarus. and i also think that lukashenko perfectly understands what prescription survival is raising the stakes today, russia is very strong and has influenced the belarusian armed forces and the belarusian ministry of internal affairs, the kdb says, uh , lukashenko is relatively loyal there, it's hard for me to say this, this is what i get from various sources , but i think that lukashenko is understanding, rather she hopes that wagner will be his allies er allies against the possibility of swallowing russia and that he will have a road accident er will add wagner and

that this will be a certain element of balancing against the russian desire to reload it, most likely poroshenko's plan exactly like this. will he be able to do it, let's see, and here's an interesting moment i somehow remembered in 2020, when the wagnerites were detained in belarus, you remember this whole story, well, especially. it was very painful for the ukrainian side and for the office of president zelenskyi but the fact itself, then you remember how the belarusians claimed that some unknown people had arrived . as it turned out later, the wagnerites had 30 people there and were preparing a coup because then the second round of elections was to be held in belarus from august 7, 2020, and lukashenko simply took them there somewhere in

to the podminskyi because they rented a hostel or some kind of lodging there in order to be there and the kgb in belarus took these fighters, then lukashenko promised that well, we will see, maybe we will give it to you, and then he still gave it to the russian federation, what an irony it's just fate now that the leader of these wagners turns out to be again well, i don't know where he is now, maybe he's dead there, he recorded that poor audio recording and something has already happened to him, it can also be, but in this situation, the most interesting thing is the further fate of the beauty. do you think that putin will go to its liquidation because, well, for putin, what happened is, well, not according to the concepts, although according to the concepts of the same beauty, they have their own mastery of the concept, he was in prison, and he was

an officer of the kdb, and it is clear that the one who catches a thief is not always well can get along with that thief to the end, that is, they already have different role models, just what do you think can happen to a well-adjusted and clean one, you actually reminded me of this case with a good one and i thought that if 25,000 plus or minus wagnerians can do the way in russia is everything after all, there are 30 wagnerians in minsk. it would be completely too much and funny. but why not, considering the recent events, as they say, it's funny. actually, i'm skeptical about it. i think that the concept of putin

and the conceptualization of prigozhina may differ in the russian world, but what putin promised, i think he will fulfill, because otherwise he will fall in the eyes of all the ideological russian elite, in addition , he has a lot of support and those who will support him in the russian elite. he is like me. he didn't say it all himself, maybe he said it all himself invented, but he definitely didn't prepare it himself, and what, how he advanced, where did he advance, what did he do, shows that tactical and strategic support and advice and understanding of the situation and information and intelligence, this is all for prigozhyn works and works very well and i think that prigozhyn what

took this step after thorough preparation and i am sure of it. although of course there were some emotional things or reasons that could have triggered this process , he prepared well. he 100% has some compromising information that he can make public if he is liquidated, he can speak for those who can also publish such information or create fundamental problems for putin. if you live in a jar with spiders, then you must understand that your survival is a matter of every day, and i think that it was necessary to talk about it. thank you, mr. pavlo, for the conversation . it was pavlo klimkin, a politician-diplomat, the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks and on the youtube platform. for those who are currently

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the audience is glad to hear from everyone and see each other, the first thing i want to hear is how they perceived the events that took place in russia at the front in a circle with a friend, how did it affect the front and the morale of the russians who are standing against you ? to kill someone and so on. well , in general , you once knew that there were also private military campaigns. their factories, not their er equipment, not their servants, tanks, planes, etc. and they will cut it all off in

the regular army, it will be quarrels, and so on. well, even now we expected that it would be ok that all of ukraine wrote it according to the photo a-a like a football match before that, but when both teams are playing that interfere with us, which are our rivals, and we will therefore turn on them, i think they were, who were previously ready at a low standard to support, i don't know where they plan to run from donetsk region from luhansk region , but i think very, very bad influence on the moral and psychological climate of the crow side is not good for us here. it’s a shame that the preparations have blown out. and halfway through. well, here we have the disappointment of the year. well, just seven helicopters and one plane are not enough. in principle

, they could fill up more to already. well, so thoroughly go into this topic and understand what is wrong with the current situation, when these rumors have already spread that it was staged in order for wagner to end up in belarus there, relatively speaking, he created a platform for a possible march to the north of ukraine from belarus , you will feel it, and you understand whether it is possible to do wagner, and is it possible considering the fact that the north is quite so densely worked out by the armed forces of ukraine, and the commander of the north says about this that the commander of the north, naiav, says that only

minna fields can come suddenly, of course , so that we not only think about the east and the southern direction, do you remember how about half a year ago and before the new year, we applied for re-access, whether it would be, and it was already semi-real and without a choice, some units that were ending were going to the belarusian border to defend, then spring bought everything, everything spilled out, everything was as we like, everything was like that all it is not passable and we calmed down until the summer of drinking, i even violate it, no one mentioned it now, if they want it, 25,000 hryvnias have been announced, which i very much doubt about the columns . i think it would have been noticed even from space.

trouble or are they distracting with a maneuver and some extra guy when we are all watching and already uh boiling. from going to the counteroffensive i think they can hurt us, we have to be vigilant no one among them will get anything out there and everything will be flooded and mined i think that failed e bridgehead for some kind of offensive, but they gave a lot of montage in order to distract us from our actions, they planned for this summer well, to point out , i will go this year and to everyone mr. yaroslava biden publicly commented on the wagnerian rebellion in russia for the first time, the president of the united states of america emphasized that washington and its allies are not involved before the mutiny of wagner's group, although these days there was information that the americans knew that the wagnerites were preparing a mutiny, he also said that he instructed the

national security team to closely monitor these events and report to him every hour and also prepare for various scenarios of the development of events at the same time the british government is preparing a plan for a possible response to the collapse of russia . destabilization in the russian federation, one of the most obvious scenarios is that the war may lead to political unrest in russia , while one of the high-ranking officials of the british government told journalists, i will quote. we must wait for what will happen next, this may be the first chapter of something new, you, yaroslav. do you think that this mood of the putsch, the mood in russia will disappear

after what happened to prigozhin and, well , actually, this development of this situation, as well as conceptual or what should we expect that something like this will happen again but with other divisions with other people that the elites will clearly understand that putin is no longer the same and that something must be done in order to somehow get out of this situation e with the maximum with the minimum losses. look, you remember that i, for example, the borders of what we had to do next for our society and for the world, you with the way we see our victory as the four of us and even more so the way we see the situation in russia because all that

russia can not stop to continue to buy ukrainian villages and cities, to continue to threaten to violate state borders , to invite there. well, there will be a lot of nuclear weapons very quickly and all kinds of drugs with terraces and inscriptions. therefore, we not only had to inform the whole world, but also understand for ourselves how this situation will look in the future and we must offer the whole world what structure of coexistence suits us, whether it is a neighbor or with many neighbors, and that is why we owe it to our western partners, we now see that britain has united zones, the plan that they see for the future , they are already starting little by little. do not hesitate to show about

the divisions and about demilitarization. where is the transport and so on. everything that they were preparing for us , so according to some strange, very mystical scenario, similar things can develop, that is, everything that they thought for us can return to them, well, now in britain, i declare that they are already ready to prepare for this and are preparing their society accordingly , which will pass a little to that, there will be nuclear weaponry and western and ours to the point that it is necessary to dehysterize and collect not 5 weapons because they do not know how to use them, because the children mentally sick people and so on, people who have crimes are not given weapons, that's why russians, like people who are occupied in a nationality that has shown itself

for too many centuries to be barbaric in the bad sense of this word, a nation that needs the blood of all those who stand for it, which is waiting for it needs constant culturalization in another territory. maybe we should take this weapon away from them and not give it to them because, well , they don’t understand that it was created in the first place, so i am very grateful to our partners that they are already talking about these things, and i think that if we to start and push back from ideas and a complete inventory, and the division of russia into pieces, we will achieve our young goals, i.e. exit at the border of 91 .

taganrog is needed by anton pavlovich chekhov vasyl will be ukrainian lands as it was before, but the minimum we can declare and already stand firm in this and we can already see that we will provide ourselves with a lot so far a lot of ten-year growth thanks to western partners , thanks to this, the life of the country was an incentive much more uh, from others, it is more clear, more intelligent, or blade, and how other countries of small states respect it, this will provide us with sustainable development. and what is most important is the safe development of european society and the world. thank you, mr. yaroslav, for tuning in. it was yaroslav lysenko, a fighter of the freedom battalion of the national guard of ukraine, who is currently in the east, so please forgive the sound quality and the picture, because it was very difficult to tune in. yaroslav well, today

is the secretary of the national security council and defense oleksiy danilov stated that you are not moscow , a group has already formed among the so-called russian elite that is ready to negotiate with ukraine, according to danilov's assumptions, this group also includes the self-proclaimed the president of belarus oleksandr lukashenko, there is already a real group of future russian negotiators from ukraine, but for now it remains in the shadows, said oleksiy danil well, by the way, this is the same as what pavlo klimkin said about the fact that lukashenko is now trying to find a place for himself among the representatives of the political elite elites who are not satisfied with putin and lukashenko, who is a trilist trying to play in this situation and show the whole world and the russian federation that he is ready

to play and cooperate with various groups influence in order to maintain his power in belarus, although when this march of justice began, as prigozhin called it, oleksandr lukashenko probably also had problems and fear about the future there, even before the future in the republic of belarus, because you know that the representatives of the belarusian positions are in ukraine, the armed forces of ukraine are fighting, and they have already talked about the fact that they are ready to participate in doing something similar , well, they mean a similar march as prigozhin did in belarus to minsk. i think that in lukashenko has many reasons to be afraid of a repetition of the scenario played out by the leader of the private military company wagner

, who went from rostov to almost moscow , that is, after 200 km , he stopped. an audio recording appeared in which prigozhin explains that they did not go all the way to moscow because, uh , they didn't want a lot of russian blood, although the fact that seven helicopters and one plane were shot down and 15 people died is still a big thing the result can be said of the prigozhina group that tried to scare putin or enter moscow, it's a pity, it's a pity that they didn't go further, because it would have given the ukrainian army the opportunity to reduce the number of invaders, well, at least from that side , and it's a pity that they didn't do anything there,

it means that they didn't started hostilities because this in a certain way gave the armed forces of ukraine the opportunity to strengthen their positions on the eastern and southern fronts, nevertheless , they found some additional arguments regarding the fact that prigozhina was reduced to nothing, i don’t think that there the main actor in this situation was oleksandr lukashenko, i think that there were other actors who supported prigozhin, who obviously pushed for this, but we will see what changes will take place in the russian army , because the main thesis of the church is that wagner's military is much stronger than the armed forces forces of the russian federation and today he said that if they were given the opportunity to march through ukraine and to kyiv then the outcome was obviously different although i think he is exaggerating because if prigozhyn went in

the first ranks starting from february 24, then it is possible it has been a long time since wagner was gone, and she herself was also gone, just as some of the armed forces of the armed forces of russia are gone. house hours is what happened in russia over the weekend, and while there is still much unknown in this story for the putin regime, this is a challenge, although the leader of the communist party of the soviet union, wagner prigozhyn, stopped the armed march on moscow and after two days of silence declares that the goal was not to overthrow the government, but