[000:00:00;00] these are crimes, crimes that actually take place in the bulletin, this is the justification for kidnapping, deportation, and i am convinced that this testimony actually raises a lot of questions and touches a lot of polish hearts, why because it is something that is unacceptable from a purely human perspective , but on the other hand it can be said that such behavior of poles, such actions of poles, that is, for a civilized person

, this is something that is unacceptable. to my generation. i think that even later, when families of 10-20-30 people gathered in polish homes, for example, on the occasion of some family holidays , it very often happens that people start to remember who was where in 1939 - in 1939 when the soviet red army entered the territory of poland, who was shot, who went to siberia, who died in the wagons that took him to siberia, who disappeared or who was killed in katyn or in some other similar places, and everyone feels that this person is no longer alive. but

at the same time, those who deprived this person of his life they passed terribly, there is no such person in the soviet union, and we know that on the one hand , crimes of all types are committed or have been committed in almost every city , which are in the criminal code and murder , rape, forced confiscation of property , forced deportation, but on the other hand, there is this criminal, who is this did he lie to the living eye and tries to lie in this world and convince that

it is not so. therefore, if we in poland look at it, we analyze everything and these comparisons are obvious and i think that this is an additional the reason or impetus why the poles react like that and another element when journalists ask me, for example, on western television, why do we help, why did we accept so many ukrainians, the answer may not be so special anymore. identity i want to return to the issue of unification , in particular. last year, they actively discussed the issue of the ukraine-poland alliance , great britain, what prospects do you see

in this? which can be called a search for understanding in order to implement common values ​​and this applies first of all to political issues , but also to military issues. structures of ukraine and it is being organized by the british together with the ukrainians. of course we will also be

present there. so these are common common issues and common issues that indicate that we should respond together to what it happened in order to return the principles that we all jointly recognize and perceive, we can say that this is an element of the process that i spoke about earlier, that is, this is another coalition , only with ukraine, not just aid to ukraine, but this is already a partnership approach to ukraine, that ukraine is a sub object of such a union, such an association, the same partner as poland and great britain, and no, not such a subject that simply needs to be helped to provide assistance, this is already the formation of a common common future because we have

from a political point of view, the views and approaches are quite similar, and it somewhat reminds me of our previous initiative , this is the lublin triangle. you were the head of the osce for a year . so, tell me about the work of these organizations in ukraine so that the osce could simply stay there. the continuation of which, that is, there is a mandate, we need a document for this, there was the consent of russia, we knew that russia would not agree to this, and it was clear that russia did not want this organization , an international organization of any kind, to be there present and observe to be observed that we, on the one hand, and on the other hand, co-form international public opinion on issues concerning ukraine, which russia

attacked, but in this connection , the lack of russia's consent to this every time leads to the fact that in this format this mission could not be continued, but there would also be no money , that is, a budget for this mission , but it was possible to replace it. this is another institution that is currently working in ukraine, and this was achieved without the consent of russia, simply another coalition willingly found money and outside the procedure the budget is outside the budget procedure outside the budget procedure and the osce did it and i am proud to say that we managed to get the osce flag on ukrainian soil

contrary to what the aggressor wanted . the question is very short. the question is because when is the minimum time to go to the parliament , how will the war in ukraine be ended, there is a question, the only form of ending the war is ending with what peace, so that the peace is peace, that it is a lasting peace, a strong peace, it can and must be this peace is just, because if the peace is unjust, then it is only a cease-fire, and a just peace must have several elements, firstly, the return of territorial integrity, that is, ukraine in the borders of russia and any russian attacks and

attacks must be independent, have national sovereignty and state independence well, of course, i already said territorial integrity, ukraine must also be rebuilt and after the destruction of the destruction it suffered during this war , that is, a just peace must provide also the aggressor's obligations emphasize the aggressor's failure to pay reparations, and there are many heads among third countries that help ukraine in reconstruction matters, but these should also be operations, and there cannot be a just peace without material responsibility for these crimes and for

these destructions that were caused during its war , which is a violation of the principle of international law, must be put to rest. russia ended the peace with aggression. well, plus criminal responsibility for these crimes committed by the aggressor, because without this, too there is no just peace if all these if all these conditions are not fulfilled, then which country can feel safe and secure, this would mean that if there are no consequences for the aggressor in such dimensions as i mentioned above, then this means that every country, a weaker country, should be afraid of its stronger neighbors. and this has nothing to do with the principles of international law, which were developed

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. there is also a question this week, and it sounds like this. your option, and in the middle of the program i will add the intermediate results of your p- your answers to this question at the end, let's see if this survey has ended and who thinks their options, you can write in the chat , eh, which will be from the side under broadcast time well, i also really want those who watch us on youtube to please put your likes if you like the program i'm sure you'll like it don't like it if you don't like it although no i'm sure you 'll like it well, write your comments it it is extremely important for us and it is extremely important for our program to be promoted on youtube. as many people

as possible have the opportunity to see it. well, i am ready to introduce my first guest and go directly to the conversation. oleksandr leonov , executive director of the penta applied research center, mr. oleksandr, greetings to ukraine congratulations, glory to the heroes, mr. oleksandr , thank you very much for joining the program, watch first, now i will briefly tell the audience , well, i will prepare them for this first question, which i will put it this way: ukraine will join nato in its own way, this was said during a briefing in the pentagon. last week, the spokeswoman for the ministry of defense of the united states of america, sabrina singh, said in response to a question about the prospect of our country joining the north atlantic alliance, according to her , the secretary general of the alliance jens toltenberg has repeatedly emphasized that nato's doors are open to everyone, but then

a short quote from the spokeswoman certainly inspires us, as we see in the case of sweden and when the case comes to ukraine, they will have their own way to join nato , oleksandr i have repeatedly asked experts who were included in my program on the air about why they are afraid of us and maybe they are delaying in brussels to formally invite us to join the north atlantic alliance. i understand that it is informal, that is, we submitted an application , the application was accepted, we all understand that we will not become a member of nato until the end of the russian war that continues in our country the territory of ukraine is our obvious victory, we all understand that in order to become a member of nato, we must fulfill certain mandatory requirements and we will

gradually fulfill them. the summit in vilnius will most likely not be invited either, maybe they won't say ukraine we want you to become a member of nato and you know, it seems to me that here we are speaking a little in different languages ​​in brussels because we had a corresponding statement by biden, do you remember when he said that ukraine must fully meet all the criteria of a member of the alliance, there was quite a lot of talk that biden was afraid of russia and so on . in fact , a consensus has actually been formed in nato and the european union that ukraine has prospects of becoming a member of the alliance and a member of the european union but we also have to understand that they are not afraid of russia, because even the long-ago countries that were friends of russia , france, germany provide ukraine with lethal

weapons with which they kill russians, they know about it, and this is precisely why they use these weapons with us that is, the question was not that they are afraid of russia, but now that nato and the european union have another phobia, this is the new hungary, in fact, hungary has become a country that destroys the unity of both the european union and nato, and in unofficial conversations it is precisely this phobia that is very active they say in and in brussels and in other capitals of nato and the european union, and actually here i would like to move on to the fact that this is actually a subjective reason for the fact that we will not be officially invited to nato, but the objective reason is that ukraine now, oleksandr, i'm sorry, the connection is broken. well, you keep

talking, because the connection is sometimes broken, and the objective reason, unfortunately, is that ukraine does not always follow the instructions given by the west. and what it must fulfill, so let's not be verbose, i will say about the seven criteria that ukraine had to fulfill in order to start negotiations on joining the european union, and the official conclusion on this was originally supposed to be given in may, but it was postponed and in fact they say that there was an oral report and uh, according to which, according to the raiders, ukraine fulfilled only two of the seven conditions, that is, if ukraine fulfilled all seven conditions, we would have a very powerful trump in order to talk to

nato about the fact that ukraine meets many criteria actively and dynamically does homework there is another point. so when we talk about not giving an invitation , let's remember that this is one of the important positions of the united states, which always and eva, which in this war act as ukraine's direct and biggest allies, and actually let's let's remember one important thing, just when you were greeting the tv viewers, you said to join where we were not disconnected , that's what i want to say, let's remember that some time ago, the state department's statement on freedom of speech in ukraine and the need to resume broadcasting of opposition channels , ukraine did not actually respond action on this appeal and when the state department applies - it

means that the unofficial channels have already not worked and after that we have to hope that there will be some serious breakthroughs invitation to nato it seems to me that ukraine should direct most of its work and activities to the formation of a clear step-by-step plan , which will clearly indicate step one step two step three step four and so on, which we have to carry out after which nato actually determines our progress is taking a political decision to make it a two-way street and ukraine has already passed such a mechanism when it got visa-free , let's remember that we were given almost 150 conditions that ukraine fulfilled and after that

the european union granted a visa-free regime despite the fact that there was a migration crisis in the european union and so on, there were a lot of conversations that they would not be granted, but when ukraine fulfilled all the conditions to preserve the political face of the european union, they were forced to make such a decision . and it is very important for ukraine to have such a plan and regarding membership in nato, that is, mr. oleksandr, i understand. about this plan, please tell me that the same plan should be given in brussels, and when will they give this plan ? that is, we are ready to implement it as you say, just as it was with membership in the european union we were told you should do that, you should do that, that, that, we did it, and we are moving . i would like to hear some more time frames. or it is possible to do as you say point

one point two point 3 when when can it be ? maybe even er time frames. that is, we will carry out this step within a month, this one within two, and so on. thus, we ourselves will set a time frame and er for let 's be, well, let's say so frank for the european union for nato when there are no such rigid criteria, they actually have room for maneuver. let's think about it. let's still reach a consensus , and that's why it seems to me that ukrainian diplomacy should do everything possible to get this plan

. it is possible to propose one's own plan based on this plan. nato actually agreed or submitted its proposal criteria and it was already approved at this summit. because it seems to me that this very moment is much more real than receiving an invitation and for this we need to work very seriously. well, let's hope that we will work and let's hope as for that, we will offer something to nato and we will move forward, at least we would like that, oleksandr, let's talk about one more event that took place last week, this is a conference on the restoration of ukraine, it was in the capital great britain in london had many statements of support for ukraine. let's at least listen to two direct speeches from this conference . first, let's listen to the prime minister of great britain. rishi and sumnaka. this is

a huge step forward in helping insurers to insure investments in ukraine. barriers and giving investors the confidence necessary to act with this and everything we do here, we are sending a message that our support on the battlefield and beyond will continue and the incredible spirit of ukraine will win that's right bags decision commented on the decision to allocate more than 3 billion dollars in ukraine for reconstruction well, let's first listen to the secretary of state of the united states of america anthony blinkin, all these reforms and recovery efforts depend on whether ukraine will have the ability to defend itself against future attacks by russia that's why even if we invest in immediate and long-term recovery we must also invest in a ukrainian army that will be strong enough to protect ukraine's sovereignty, territorial integrity and independence so

p. oleksandr well, look at my subject, in my subjective opinion as just an international observer. it seems to me that this conference was very important for us, and the result, in my opinion , is serious. in your expert opinion , what do you say? actually, this is by the way, the conference is really any conference that concerns the restoration of ukraine, where the mechanisms are discussed, it is important, and this conference, in my opinion, very clearly showed for ukraine that the restoration of ukraine is an investment and cannot be considered as a separate project from of the project of european and euro-atlantic integration, especially since last year it was announced to create a platform for rabil ukraine within the framework of the european union, and actually speaking. and this already

indicates that the european union considers the restoration of ukraine as a project of the european integration of ukraine, in fact, many people are talking about the marshall plan for ukraine so here is the marshall plan, let's remember it for the simple reconstruction of germany after the second world war, this is a reformation, and a systemic deep and actually restructuring of the country and it is precisely in this that the west sees the need for these e-e help for them, the reconstruction of ukraine is not only physical, it is also political, in fact , with this money, ukraine has to become an integral part of european civilization , in fact, because let's say this more correctly, legally, because in fact, ukraine is a part

europe and everyone already knew this, but legally we have to formalize it by stepping down to the european union and nato and we have to understand that these are absolutely united processes and separate from each other they simply will not work. one thing, how many times have we moved closer to ukraine, already on the territory of europe, yes. last week, the 11th package was approved, they finally approved the 11th package of anti-russian sanctions, and it passed with such a creak that it took so long that they could not agree on it at first, then they could not to convince some players there to enter the european arena, after all, it was agreed upon, after all, it was approved, but here ursula von derlein , the president of the european commission, said that well, she rather skeptically said that we have reached a certain limit and it will continue