[000:00:00;00] i include what he thinks about options for the use of nuclear weapons. well, how, let's think together, mr. sergey, he can show his coolness when prigozhin showed the whole of russia, well, if they did not treat him that he is actually cooler than putin, that he can go against the system, that he can to win in one day and at the same time what were uh, whatever agreements were reached, he continues to say what he thinks is necessary and again and again, and then the question arises who won and for most russians i think that although they are in

well, they probably won't admit it. nevertheless , prigozhin won, and i'm here . chaos and er this chaos can only be tamed by raising the stakes on our part and if we raise the stakes then putin er will think 250 times whether he can use something in order to er without any progress on the front because the use of nuclear weapons not will have no military advantages, but create panic, create a psychological drive, show how cool he is putin definitely can , he is definitely in a completely different psychological state, he understands what he lost, he understands that he lost

, the elite drives understand the same and he somehow needs to get out of this situation and the way out is very simple, or he begins to look for options , begins to reboot russia, begins to reboot first to the ministry of defense those people who are many russians directly are blamed for the failures of this war, and he needs to find these uh, these are the ones, it could be that it could be gerasim in although i actually think that putin will continue to work with gerasimov, he respects him a lot and despite the changes in some positions and so on but to remove shoigu - this is already not enough for me, because somehow it will not work to show yourself cool by removing shoigu, and that is why i

am absolutely not you, and again i say that putin can go about raising rates in a completely different way, the only question is whether his power structures its armed forces they are fully ready to carry out his orders. since we heard and saw this video from the russian military who said yes and no and his guards. by the way , what is it there for? if you want the last resort, the last resort from the point of view of the leadership, because the russian elite and a large part of the military leadership understand that raising the rates of the use of mass weapons

or something else will first lead to destruction of today's russia, as they know, and secondly, before the punishment, it will not happen that someone jumps out later, you say. i had an order here, i obeyed 100%. no, and what the west has to say now, according to my text, without any diplomatic wording , it is mandatory. by the way, regarding the event and the reaction of the deputy secretary of the council of state security, rather the head of the council of state security of the russian federation, dmitry medvedev, he has already started to scare the west, they say above, not you understand who can end up with a nuclear button and a nuclear weapon, that is, a person who for a year and a half blackmailed the whole world that we are now pulmo er-e tactical nuclear weapons in case the ukrainians enter the territory of the crimea

in a sharp now he shouts er-e, that is , see bandits want to take power in russia , although for the west, in principle, what a handsome man who is blackmailing the whole world and is blackmailing russia that medvedev, who is blackmailing the whole world with nuclear weapons. that is, well, in principle, the equal sign is complete, because medvedev is also not elected by the people. is there some official or deputy there , i don't know, the head of the state duma, he is appointed by putin the world according to your when they say, is it an internal matter of the russian federation, what happened to wagner, that he wants to er-e pro-pro articulate to putin so that he stops and because it will lead to a disaster for putin personally, or that putin himself has to

deal with it, or that the west recognizes any successor to putin if he is legitimate, he will be elected in the presidential elections, well, first of all, about medvedev, now out of jealousy, he has to mock somehow, the press servant, and i wanted to say another word, but you found a more polite one, and i think that actually pogozhina in the west i wouldn't say more, i respect it, it's disrespectful. nevertheless, they treat him much more seriously , because medvedev is treated mainly as a person who writes posts that are taken from unknown sources. but pogozhina is considered by many as a real figure .

of all threats well , of course , the logic of what the americans say is the logic of what the europeans say, but the chinese say the same. we have nothing to do with this, these are all problems of russia, there is no need to speculate on the fact that we are trying to influence the internal situation in russia, because otherwise , in accordance with its nuclear doctrine, russia has a reason , respectively, either to launch strikes or to raise the level of rhetoric and raise the stakes. and as for the chinese, for the chinese, the stability of russia is important to them . there is no need for a mess in russia, at least today, and they will talk. let them put things in order there

themselves, and for the chinese, this means let it be stability and we recognize what the russian federation is doing in russia as an element of the powers of the current russian government, that is, the content of these fairly standard formations is the internal affairs of russia, not in the western world and in the western world is fundamentally different and what, mr. pavly, about the negotiations or, well, virtual negotiations, because we did not see any video recording. and even more so the confirmation from lukashenko himself that he negotiated with prigozhin and tried to mediate between putin and prigozhin, well , it all sounds funny, lukashenko in the role of negotiator between putin and his cook well, in principle, but that’s how it turned out according to you, or in

this situation, how likely is the scenario that prigozhin and his wanderers may end up on the territory of belarus, and this will pose a certain threat to ukraine, since they will end up in our northern the front is that wagner may end up in belarus or a part of wagner. i do not rule it out because he has not previously cooperated with the belarusian regime in africa and in various african countries , so do they have a history of cooperation there? lukashenka was decisive for the negotiators, i have a big doubt about that. but, nevertheless, to show him as a formal version of these agreements, it was. this is how i understand the kremlin's decision and putin's personal one. in my opinion, the decision

is unsuccessful because it once again and very clearly shows putin's weakness. and if lukashenka is needed to which is treated in moscow with open connivance in order to say , well, here you are, the guarantor of our agreements, then it all looks frankly bad, eh, we know that there were various attempts to talk to prigozhyn as well good with whiskey with the russian elite although he pretends to be such an anti-elite fighter, but in fact he is very interpolated into the russian elite, he knows everything about everyone, but the russian elite also knows everything about the handsome man. and by the way, it was decided not to make any emissions in the state

for today well, in the end, lukashenka is still trying to ensure his security and keep this tactical nuclear weapon under the control of russia in the game . nevertheless, on the territory of belarus, this is also the situation with wagner, and i think that lukashenko also dreams of playing a role in russian politics. i think that it sits somewhere in his consciousness and subconsciousness. and in putin's place , i would understand that lukashenko can still play his card in russian politics by agreeing with some players . propagandists screamed about the fact that all these cars going to moscow were supposed to go to kyiv, lviv or warsaw, they went to belokamyana, we have a small fragment

of this video, let's watch 25,000 with heavy equipment anti-aircraft systems 1000 s the rest of the cars, don't go to kiev , don't go to lviv, i'm going to warsaw, i'm going to moscow, русский soldiers must march to kiev, odesa and nikolaev, and we're not going in any other direction, that's what russia is doing and what it got as a result march of the so-called justice. this is obviously an answer to the fact that russia has always tried to be a country that attacks and not a country that defends , that is, obviously in their military doctrine

there was not even a... well, there was a mention that there was a conditional measure by which it could attack the russian federation but judging by the way they briskly advanced into the interior of the country and towards moscow, it shows that there is no one there, especially for them , it does not exist, this government is corrupt, the security forces lie down on those who enter the city. in principle, 24-25 or that russia, uh, turned out to be weaker even than the ukrainian army showed it. or is it an illusion that, well, that’s how it turned out in prigozhin, and suddenly , let’s imagine that 25,000 ukrainian army uh, we would march there in the sumy region or from

the chernihiv region to moscow at ease that's how we got there, and the problem was already solved by the end of the russian-ukrainian war somewhere on the approaches to the domkada. what do you think, mr. pavla? i think that mine were broken and we broke them for the first time, the beginning of history, and this means that the convoys were already on their way to kyiv and they were going to mykolaiv, but where these columns are well known to everyone in kyiv. it is known in moscow, but this also means a very simple thing that in russia, too , eventually they have to find out, it means that if their columns do not go, uh, as you said, as a result attack, then the columns go on

moscow and what they achieved, that the columns will continue to go to moscow, they can be military , they can be mental, they can be columns of misunderstanding , they can be columns of irritation, they can be columns of hatred, but russian citizens have realized that they are actually living as a result of this punch in that country that was constantly told about this and they achieved what they wanted, they went with the columns against us and now the columns are coming against them and this is a very simple truth and they have to learn this lesson and if they don't learn it, then we will teach them let's help russian publication vyorske wrote today that camps for the placement of fighters of the private military company wagner began to be built in belarus after agreements with oleksandr lukashenko, who he negotiated with yevhen prigozhyn, according to the publication, the first camp for 8,000 people is being built in located 200 km from the border with ukraine

osypovych, as it is mogilev region, according to the interlocutor of the publication, the workers were given the task of building a camp with an area of ​​24,000 m² very quickly tomorrow by noon, he said the interlocutor is the publication, when we talk about how prigozhin got to belarus , what is lukashenko's role here, how is lukashenko trying to play with the russian elite ? let's say it was incorporated in belarus in order to, well, simply put, replace lukashenka in one of the ways and actually take over the leadership of the belarusian army there and make the same coup for lukashenka, is

it possible for us to have one in minsk? no lukashenko and prigozhin are an honor like that. i think that lukashenko understands this very well, that he also understands conceptual things, they seem to act with the likes of putin and prigozhin, but at some point everything can break down. i also saw this news, but i don’t have confirmation. i don’t have some part of wagner, for sure is located in belarus and i also think that lukashenko perfectly understands that prescription survival is raising the stakes today russia is very strongly influenced by the belarusian armed forces and the belarusian ministry of internal affairs lukashenko is relatively loyal, it's hard for me to say this, this is what i get from various

sources. but i think that lukashenko is conceptual, rather , he hopes that wagner will be his allies against the possibility of swallowing russia and that wagner will be added to him. will be a certain element of balancing against the russian desire to reload it, most likely lukashenka's plan is exactly this . we'll see if he succeeds in doing it, but here's an interesting moment, uh , for some reason i remembered in 2020, when uh, the wagnerites were detained in belarus, you do you remember the whole story, well, in particular, it was very painful for the ukrainian side and for the office of president zelenskyi, but the fact itself, then you remember how the belarusians claimed that some unknown people had arrived. as

it turned out later, the wagnerites were preparing 30 people there a coup because then the second round of elections in belarus was supposed to take place on august 7 , 2020 , and lukashenko simply took a place in podminsk because they took some kind of hostel or some kind of overnight accommodation there in order to be there and the kgb in belarus took it later lukashenko promised zelensky that well, we'll see, maybe we'll give it to you, and then he still gave it to the russian federation, but the irony is just fate now that the leader of these wagners, well, he finds himself again. well, i don't know where he is now, maybe he's dead and he recorded that e- it's a poor audio recording, and something has already happened to it, it can also be, but in this situation, the most interesting thing is the future fate

of the beauty. do you think that putin will go for his liquidation because, well, for putin, it's not, by definition, what it happened, although according to the concepts of the same beauty, they have their own ladies, that guy was in prison and he was an officer of the kdb, and it is clear that the one who catches a thief does not always get along with that thief until the end, that is, they already have different role models. what do you think can happen to a well-intentioned and clean you in fact, i was reminded of this case with a good one, and i thought that if 25,000 plus or minus wagnerites can make their way to russia, then there are still 30 wagnerites in minsk. it would be completely too much and cool. but why

not, given the recent events how they say as a joke, i'm actually skeptical about it. i believe that the concept of putin and the concept of prigozhin may differ in the russian world, but what putin promised, i think he will fulfill, because otherwise he will fall into in the eyes of all the ideological russian elite , in addition, prigoshen has a lot of support and those who will support him in the russian elite . as i said, he did not do it all by himself, he may have invented it all himself, but he certainly did not prepare it himself, and what, how did he advance to where? was advancing what was he doing

it shows that tactical and strategic support and advice and understanding of the situation and information and intelligence are all for prigozhyn works and works very well. and i think that prigozhyn, who took this step after thorough preparation and i am sure of it , although of course there are some emotional things or pretexts could trigger this process , he prepared well he 100% has some compromising information that he can make public if he is liquidated, he can speak for those who can also make such information public or create fundamental problems for putin if you live in a jar with spiders. then you should understand that your survival is a matter of every day and i think that

it was necessary to talk about it. thank you, mr. pavlo, for the conversation . this was pavlo klimkin, a politician-diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 , we are friends we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks and on the youtube platform, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and on facebook , please like this video and subscribe to our social networks, in addition , you can become a sponsor of the youtube channel espresso, any help from you is important to us, we work for you and work 24 hours a day, seven days a week, read also our news on the website espresso tv, news from ukraine, the world and the front chronicle, everything is on our website, we work for you well and then on our air, yaroslav lysenko, a fighter of the freedom battalion

of the national guard . i congratulate you. thank you for getting in touch with the espresso tv studio. good evening, the studio. at the front, the events that took place in russia, the mutiny with the appropriated, how did it affect the front and the morale of the russians who stand against you for quite so long, we have been waiting for similar military actions, when the frogs will kill the viper, our friends first quarrel , then kill each other, and so on. well, in general, this we once knew that there were also private military campaigns

, we understood, you know, some possible strengthening of the russian army from the other side, this is a message and it was nadiya because of course they don't have their own factories, not their own equipment, not their own i served tanks, airplanes, etc. and they will cut it all off in the regular army, it will be quarrels, etc. well, now we expected that it would be ok, that all of ukraine wrote it according to the photo, and it was like a football match before that, but both teams are playing who hinder us, who are our rivals , and therefore we will turn on them. i think they were previously ready for a low standard, so that it would be rostov or crimea. i don't know where they plan to run from donetsk region to luhansk region , but i think it had a very, very bad effect on

morale psychological climate of the enemy side it's good for us here. it's a shame that we blew up half way through the preparation. well, here we have the disappointment of the year. well, just seven helicopters and one plane are not enough. in principle , we could fill up more to already . these rumors have already spread that it was played out so that later wagner would end up in belarus there, so to speak, creating a platform for a possible march to the north of ukraine from belarus, do you somehow feel and understand whether or not wagner can do it and whether

it is possible, taking into account that the north is quite so densely worked out by the armed forces of ukraine, and about this, as the commander of the north says that well, only the minna fields can come suddenly i go, remember, about half because by the new year we, uh, it was tuesday or not, and it was already semi-real and without a choice, some units that would end up going to the belarusian border to defend themselves, then spring bought everything, everything spilled out, everything is as we like everything was like that, everything was not passable and we calmed down until the summer of drinking, i even disturb, no one mentioned now if they want

to escalate and they really have 25,000 hryvnias in kolomyia, i think it would have been noticed even from space well, no matter how many of them there were, but i i think there is some trouble or they are distracting with a maneuver and some extra guy when we are all watching and already boiling from going to the counteroffensive. i think they can cause us , we have to be careful who they are there, nothing will work out there and everything will be flooded and mined. i i think this is an unsuccessful e bridgehead for someone offensive, but they gave a lot of bridges in order to distract us from our actions, they planned for this summer. well, to lead and attack this year and all mr. yaroslava biden publicly

commented on the wagnerian rebellion in russia for the first time. the mutiny of wagner's group, although these days there was information that the americans knew that the wagnerites were preparing an establishment, he also said that he instructed the national security team to closely monitor these events and report to him every hour, as well as to prepare for different scenarios of the development of events , at the same time the british government is preparing a plan for a possible response to the collapse of russia . among the most obvious scenarios is that war could lead to political unrest in russia , with one senior

british government official telling reporters quote we have to wait for what will happen next, this may be the first chapter of something new , you, yaroslav. do you think that this mood of the putsch, the mood in russia will disappear after what happened to prigozhin and, well, actually , this development of this situation, both conceptually and what should expect that something like this will happen again, but with other divisions , with other people, that the elites will clearly understand that putin is no longer the same and that something must be done in order to somehow get out of this situation with maximum and minimum losses that i the border of what we further we had to for