[000:00:00;00] ruslan is it about something else? and what consequences will this personnel decision have? the missile program is an old sore spot of the ukrainian government that periodically flares up, and especially it became more acute after the full-scale invasion, and this pain is that secret documents are being accepted for the nsdc decision to strengthen the missile program. a program to start mass production of long-range missile systems peregrine falcon, to multiply the production of alder jet systems, and to develop and again start mass production of a jet missile system

alder 2, however, unfortunately, the years go by but at the front , they do not see these missiles well, accordingly, the enemy does not feel their effect on himself , what is the main reason? included in this program and who is responsible for the fulfillment of these indicators, you mentioned at the beginning that now the issue of the missile program has arisen due to a change in the management of ukroboronprom, that a new manager is expected to be appointed from day to day, and that is why the mass media have become more active the question of what is the missile program , what are its successes, unfortunately, this issue was activated in a similar way in the 19th year, this issue was activated before the big invasion, when the invasion was actually expected, when the aggressor's troops surrounded the border of ukraine, and then

the question was also raised that our the missile program, and now, for more than a year, the repulsion of the aggression of the full-scale invasion has been going on again , the question arises again. to mention that we have a missile program and we also have specialists and enterprises that were supposed to manufacture long-range missiles or rocket systems, but this does not bring us closer to victory for a single moment only because, in principle, we do not understand when this missile program must be completed, how much money is invested in it? well, what should be the results of this missile program?

in principle, it has been talked about since 2014 as a complex that is a project that is being developed, in which ukraine invests money , but no one understands the details and no one understands exactly when the government of ukraine will report that this program is completed and the complex is ready for use. i wanted i would like to ask you about gusev, who until recently was the head of ukroboronprom. in your opinion, he did not manage to achieve any certain successes because of nova, i do not know some difficult story with financing or vice versa, he was successful and we simply do not have the right to talk about them like that because they constitute a state secret. but maybe there are some general things that can be talked about , look, you see, the discussion of the missile program is actually guessing because there are no figures at all and no detailed information, but the chinese moscow is yes, that is,

there is uh, the neptune missile complex, which turned out to be fortunate, and we remember, well, what were the comments about how difficult it was to save it, get it and deliver it. yes, i will remind you that just before the great invasion , before the invasion, the neptune system was taken in service and in a single copy, and there should actually be three or even four such copies according to the results of the state defense order of 2021, but again, all possible deadlines and er, all possible measures of the missile program and the state defense order during that time were failed therefore, thank god we got at least one complex that showed itself well , but i want to emphasize that if we had followed our plans and we had

3-4 such complexes at the time of the invasion, then with with great probability, the black sea fleet would not, in principle, have approached the ukrainian coast , returning to yesterday's scandal about the allegations that ukroboronprom did not fulfill hlebka nevsky , the head of the state watch expert organization, well , the connection was broken in not the most interesting place. well , let's hope that mr. hleb will be able to restore it lukashenko told what he wants to get from wagner. so let me remind you that in belarus they are preparing to meet prigozhina and his vagarivites, we will talk about this a little later, because actually we have already restored please continue the connection with the kanevsky mushroom. please continue. yes, look. to finish with neptan, we must say that if we had followed the state defense order , we would actually have 3-4 such complexes at the time of the invasion, and it was a completely different

story with the black sea fleet regarding yesterday's scandal when there were accusations that ukroboronprom and its enterprises are not coping with the missile program, then it must be recognized that this is not only an issue of ukroboronprom , it is primarily an issue of the ministry of defense of ukraine, which untimely made a deer within of a state defense order within the framework of the missile program and then paid this order in a timely manner, this is the responsibility of the ministry of strategic industries, which, as of a major invasion already in 2023, cannot finally ensure the normal functioning conditions of defense order customers and executors . there are a lot of problems that have been fulfilled cannot count on profit and that executors cannot count on timely payment and that, in principle, not all enterprises can become executors of state

of the defense order, the ministry of strategic industries is responsible for all of this, which from the first days of its creation in 2020 simply failed any of its work and any of its tasks, therefore, in principle, also what i said earlier, that the missile program was a failure in the previous years as well, well, this is again a question for the key authority of the country in the field of the defense-industrial complex, this is the ministry of strategic industries of industry. i personally, as a citizen of ukraine and a taxpayer, am concerned that it is replaced again by the implementation and implementation of the state defense order of missile programs, and the solution to these complex problems , which have been going on for years, is canceled simply by changing the surname, well, roughly speaking, or husiv, now society says, well, they will choose a new director of ukroboronprom and the problems will be solved, but no one tries to explain to his own what the problems are , what indicators are facing the new director

. where is the guarantee that you and i, the civil society journalists, will be able to control, for example, in six months that the new director copes with the missile program with a defense order. and if it doesn’t cope, then why yes, yes, the guarantee that we will be able to control what the ministry of strategic affairs of the industrial sector or the ministry of defense is doing is now completely covered in secrecy, and therefore, in principle, uh, we don’t even can we understand with you at what stage the creation of the sapsan missile complex is taking place and , accordingly, when it will be put into operation, use thank you, nothing is clear, no terms, no obligations, no there is no way to control the requirements, how effective this or that manager

is, how exactly this scheme should look ideally , so that it is possible to trace the success and effectiveness of ukroboronprom's activities, and in fact, to trace not just on paper, but what was visible on the battlefield is there a battle in the air? we want to join the nato security alliance, and in principle they have already answered this question a long time ago, if there is any defense products that are made by hand or even decades in principle, it is not a state secret, and its indicators, that is, indicators of how much is planned for production and how much will be produced, how much is purchased by the state, all this is actively published so that it is actually possible to monitor the effectiveness of the state, the effectiveness of the security block, the effectiveness of the manufacturers of the defense-industrial complex in ukraine , for example, we have an oplot tank, and so do we , and you and i. the touch society constantly told us that ukraine has perhaps the best

tank in the world, and that the whole world is proud of it the industry is proud of it, the entire defense-industrial complex. and when the invasion began, it turned out that this oplol tank exists in only one copy, and it was prepared only for exhibitions, that its positive at international exhibitions and to show that we have it and expect international orders. and at that time, the ministry of defense ukraine , which should in principle be the main customer of such weapons, did not make any orders of its own , and therefore ukroboronprom could not produce more than one oplot tank before the invasion , you understand, and this situation demonstrates to us that on the one hand, we seem to be sure that we can produce the oplot tank, and on the other hand, we do not understand whether the state in principle manufactures the tanks that the ministry of defense buys them. we even now do not understand

during the invasion. in turn, he must explain to society how he will provide a system of reporting on production results, here is an illustrative story, too, with an unmanned drone that should be at 1000 km and which was regularly reported to deviceliza which the ministry of defense and ukroboronprom in the previous months after the invasion, well, actually, more than a year has passed since the invasion. and they report on this drone, but they report it as during development, that is, it is somewhere and somewhere it is not being used, but they are testing it, but how many such drones have already been purchased the state, at least in percentages compared to others there, for example, some kind of drones and whether the armed forces of ukraine use them or actually see these drones in the armed forces of ukraine, all this remains a secret, it can

be talked about, as was done with the anti-corruption i don't know about the council under the ministry of defense, there are specially selected people, for example, from among the deputies who give additional subscriptions. but it is possible to simply take people who have access to state secrets so that they do not share secrets . state order of course, this would not be in open access, in particular , it is about specific numbers from information , a secret state secret during the war must be guarded even more strongly, but in any in this case, it is possible by analogy with the ministry of defense and its anti-corruption council, something similar. yes, you know, options must be sought in relation to parliamentary control , it actually exists and the deputies of the specialized committee on security and defense issues have access to this information. frankly, they have no desire

to report this in any way in society, only because, well, in our country, the parliament and the government, and actually the ukroboronprom concern, are all one she keeps silent than how to inform the society and kill her. she sees something going wrong. you can consider the option of creating some kind of anti-corruption council at ukroboronprom, but again, this is the responsibility of the new general director , whose appointment is expected from day to day. look, i 'll just tell you if the new director will not offer any normal model a of production control over the effectiveness of the state defense of the state defense complex of ukraine, well, excuse me in six months, in a year we will be with you again we will face the problem that someone will declare that nothing has been produced in the missile program of the abyss, but unfortunately it cannot last forever because we have an enemy and

this enemy wants to destroy us and while we are playing our bureaucratic games while each ministry is looking for an excuse why somewhere they can't appoint some regulatory act in time to finally complete the missile program that protected ukraine from a much stronger enemy, well , actually, until now, no citizen of ukraine can feel safe, unfortunately, unfortunately, mr. mushroom thank you for the conversation hlibka nevsky, the head of the state watch expert organization, was with us now we have a break and then we will add a military expert from the publication to the conversation and we will talk about weapons, but it is not only ukrainian that it is difficult to get up and climb the stairs, old injuries and sprains constantly remind of yourself

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kingdom of great britain ben wallace so ben wallace said in a comment that the armed forces of ukraine liberated more territory than the russians during the summer campaign occupied in the winter , i am quoting verbatim the minister of defense of great britain. as part of the summer company for the return of illegally occupied territories , ukraine has already recaptured approximately 300 square kilometers, which is more territory than russia captured oleg kotkov during the entire winter offensive , contact us, the editor-in-chief of daphons-express, actually. i think we will talk about western aid, thanks to which it is possible to implement the very large-scale and well-thought-out plans of our general staff, so we understand that our summer campaign , the ukrainian military offensive, is a significant is based on a very clear interaction between

art systems, ukrainian rap systems, and , of course, armored vehicles . of the united states of great britain, france, and germany taken together well, but we understand that these are all lies, olezhe, well, absolutely so , that is, if you count there and believe at all to see the numbers that they publish, then there well, really, well, at least the european segment of nato eh, well , armed forces of ukraine. in general, then, according to their calculations, we should have finished somewhere in 2-3 months after the thanksgiving of the invasion . by now, they have definitely destroyed the european countries in the world. it's difficult to explain, of course, these huge numbers that they produce. well, there is actually such an explanation. the fact is that they have certain bonuses for the destruction of equipment. well, that's why they destroyed some kind of

excavator or a combine harvester. they wrote that it was 10 tanks. well, and received bonuses for 10 tanks, why do they get bonuses for destroying or not destroying tanks, whether they are buses or any other scrap metal that is passed off as our tanks. meanwhile, we actually receive new and new weapons from of the west and actually leopards to ukraine on behalf of the government of the netherlands that are to come er during the next 2024 we are talking about 14 tanks how big is this number and how many in general we already have leopards on the front er how many more are we getting in the near future and in general what is the number would be needed to properly and effectively conduct this counteroffensive and end the war here in kare, this is an important aspect because these 14

leopard 2 a4 tanks have repeatedly surfaced in the media, that is, for the first time in them , the leaders officially announced in april of the defense departments of the netherlands and this data was back in april after that, literally two weeks ago, the german media wrote about them that there will be 14, like the leopard 24, and they will repeat the losses of ukraine and remove the functions , then we mentioned them during the last rammstein, which was and we are talking about again about the same 14 leopard 24, which will restore rain metal with the funds of the governments of the netherlands and denmark, and if you even appeared at first such data as we are talking about well, initially in april they talked about the fact that the tanks will be transferred at the beginning of the 24th year april directly was perceived as a rather distant prospect, well, the prospect became even more distant because rave metal was informed that only

the first tank would be directly at the beginning of the 24th year and all the other 13 during the 24th year and thus announced the value of the contract, which is measured in more than a three-digit number in millions euro that is, well, they sketched such a figure. so he said exactly the number, but this is simple and the cost of these works in relation to the number of shovels knocks out four. public, which was announced, and it must be understood that all aid to ukraine is completely public, in particular, germany counts even the thermocov dreya, which it transfers, and it is roughly possible to say, as i understand it, about more than 60 vehicles, that is, you were selected for information about two tank battalions that were able to form and are now performing combat tasks in relation to the need

, in fact, the need is not only for tanks, and it is always necessary to understand that technology in general always fights and interacts in a complex and to say that ukraine needs, for example, 300 tanks there conditionally there are 300,500 tanks and everything will be a victory tomorrow. no, because ukraine needs hundreds of tanks and hundreds of artillery systems , hundreds of drones and hundreds of fighter jets, and a huge amount of other equipment and more professionally in order to win the victory. as i perfectly understand, what are you talking about? that it all works in a bunch together, but one thing we just had a conversation about ukroboronprom and about the fact that ukraine can also manufacture its own equipment, its own weapons, its own tanks . can you analyze what percentage ukrainian armaments and ukrainian equipment are now on the battlefield, because

they are coming from western partners, and are there actually any chances that we can increase the amount of ukrainian production, it is necessary to understand that in fact ukraine is still fighting with soviet weapons and what it was able to independently produce during the time of independence is well the main mass of military equipment or soviet. that is, when we will compare, for example, the number of western tanks, that is, the conditions will be now relative to the leopards of the others, so they are so far were there yesterday another 14 challengers of the second, yes, this is also public information , then well, this is in no way comparable to hundreds of tanks of soviet models, including those obtained with the help of our allies, because they sold a significant number of 172s, for example, from ukraine in the past of the former warsaw pact, er, regarding the possibility of ukraine now to produce weapons. moreover, here, such as a tank, it is important to understand the spectrum of what kind of tank this should be

, because well, for example, let's take the last tank that was adopted for service in 2009 in 2009, the bmpolot was actually accepted for service in 2009, but it was not produced. that is, there were several samples of the conventional, as they say . we are not even talking about one now because it is well, it must be produced, and the technological cycle of the production of one tank is more than one year, and we are talking about the fact that it is necessary to establish its serial production , and so on, and then the question what kind of tank does it have be, which gun should be soviet 125 mm for a tank raft or 120 mm nato, which engine should be there, which one well , for example, cities with leopards 2 or not

and a huge number of other questions that must be answered before making a decision, for example in terms of production, there are those of another machine, and all the more so that we must not fall into such a trap. well, there are two such traps. the difference between the existence of a prototype and serial mass production is actually a huge chasm, and here we must understand that now all defense enterprises of ukraine. they are under the crosshairs of russian long-range missile weapons. at the same time, we would like to tell about the successes of russian artillerymen, or i don’t know some other prigozhin boys who put several units of russian aircraft in their territory, at least three helicopters and a key story the il-22 plane , that is, they committed extraordinary frondocide , so to speak, with the help of which they managed

to work out so successfully, but most likely it is about the panzer and you must successfully or not such a situation that the grid aviation, strike aviation, for example, a helicopter, the plane was just shot down because they could, let's officially say yes, if there was a big word officially, then well, yes , officially, the message is about helicopters, why is it, that is, because the rashy eh know how to fight on helicopters in the conditions when the front line is stable, that is, there is an understanding of where the target is, roughly speaking, the area of ​​the target, where the means are located , for them, the situation is the same at the front, in reality, when the task was to destroy the wagners, they knew roughly that they were somewhere on the track they are looking for it is there and in the conditions when the vagne-resi had full -fledged army anti-aircraft missile systems, including the strela

10 , and there were also armor plates. the rules of fighting to which the artists were already used to, they changed dramatically and for them it was a huge surprise , we pass the word to the news and anna eva melnyk is already ready to tell you about the most important things that are happening in ukraine and the world , together with what was presented in kyiv a special report on the kidnapping of children