[000:00:00;00] failures should be prosecuted up to the criminal level if there are grounds for it, and now serhii rudenko is on the program, you are visiting him, general bengodges - it will be interesting, let's watch it together . good evening. i wish everyone good health. ukraine has already won back more territory than russia captured during the winter , british defense minister ben willy said in his words. during the summer campaign , ukraine has already freed 300 sq. kilometers of his territory, and vladimir putin has been trying to convince everyone and everything for the second day that he won in the confrontation with yevgeny prigozhin. today, he convinced

the security forces and representatives of the russian guard. ate money from the state budget of the russian federation , meanwhile, the belarusian dictator oleksandr lukashenko confirmed that yevgeny prigozhin, who staged a mutiny in russia, is in belarus and, as lukashenko told wagner will now take part in training for the belarusian military. it is not known what exactly and how exactly prigozhin will teach the belarusians. maybe there will be another rebellion there, but the dictator in belarus is not talking about it yet and is not making such predictions about this and other things, we are talking about it today and the next

hours, we will have three guests: andriy illenko, uh, roman tsimbalyuk and united states army general ben hodges, all this over the course of the next hour, i will traditionally start with information about the losses of russians in ukraine in ukraine already 226,000,170 russians died in just the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 590 people with the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost to the country 4,036 tanks, 7,834 armored fighting vehicles , 4,083 artillery systems, 626 rocket launchers, 386 anti-aircraft defenses and 314 aircraft, 308 helicopters 6,772 units of automotive equipment 18 ships, boats , 1,261 cruise missiles, 3,492 drones, 539 units

of special equipment, i would like to introduce today's first guest of ours, andrii illenko , an officer of the freedom battalion of the fourth brigade operational assignment of the national guard border mr. andrii, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our conversation. good evening, let's start the situation on the eastern front. deputy minister of defense of ukraine hanna malyar said that during the planning of offensive actions in the east, our military took into account the fact of contradictions between wagner and the current russian according to the authorities, according to hanna malyar, offensive actions in the direction of bakhmut are now underway . they have been going on for the fourth day. i am sure that today we did not enter the city of bakhmutstvo, the release of this direction has a peculiarity

that complicates the process, written by hanna malyar what is happening to andrii on the eastern front and what are the successes of the ukrainian army in offensive actions in this direction , you know, i always find it difficult to answer such questions because that there really are some important things that cannot be said day in and day out , because these are military issues, battles and heavy battles are taking place, in particular, our freedom battalion, our fourth operational brigade the assignment of the national guard to the front line performs the task of e-e in certain areas destroys the enemy inflicts losses destroys enemy armored vehicles and so on e-e well it is to a certain extent e-e let's put it this way here, it cannot be said that today was somehow special there compared to yesterday or the day before yesterday intense fighting actions, all that ukrainians need to know is that the ukrainian

army is following orders, the ukrainian army is destroying the enemy, the ukrainian army is fulfilling its tasks and bringing victory closer, that's 100%. and everything that needs to be done now if you are not there as part of the army, it is to help the army with everything you can, but actually on this, for sure, and all thanks to the fact that during the offensive of van, these actions in the east, our military took into account the situation in russia with wagner prigozhyn, the current government did this situation of mutiny have an effect on russia, uh, with the front and on the morale of the russians. do they feel it? it definitely had an effect, because it is a huge blow to the morale of the occupying army, because no army will

feel good if its the following is happening processes, and in fact we saw such a trailer or an announcement of the civil war in muscovy, and of course this is a huge blow to morale, it is a huge blow to putin personally, to his regime, and to the very eye of all the rotten structures called russian therefore, the federation is of course absolutely sure that this is only the first act, that is , this whole story. it will definitely have a continuation and maybe it will not even directly relate to wagner or something like that, but the fact that in russia there are full-fledged um, the prerequisites for an internal war. this is obvious, and again, if we know history well, then, in principle, a civil war or unrest in muscovy is always a consequence

of military failures, uh, in wars of aggression , this was the case in the times of turmoil after unsuccessful wars it happened to ivan the terrible after the palace coups after unsuccessful wars , in particular after the crimean war, which was unsuccessful for the muscovites, it ultimately happened after an unsuccessful war, unsuccessful participation in the war, the first world war, which ended 17 years ago, quite likely and actually, i think it is inevitable that a similar fate awaits muscovy this time

, and what we have seen is the complete inability of the state machine and putin to personally control the situation. on one side, they did not show any initiative, and we can only guess there about the motives of prigozhin and his own reasons for stopping this process. but it seems to me that uh, this situation. it exposed the internal inability of the russian regime to resist similar situations, to somehow anticipate them, to somehow prevent them from occurring, that is, what happened is what i am saying, it is only the first act, it is only a prelude to the great internal conflict that will inevitably occur in moscow volodymyr putin is trying to explain to the citizens of the russian federation what was happening and why it was happening for the second day. putin is trying to demonstrate

, including to the security forces, that he controls everything in to the russian federation, because yesterday he addressed the russians and the piskov people and said that there would be a historical performance . there was nothing historical. some kind of memorial service for putin well, what i read on the face of the face is that putin spoke to the security forces already in the kremlin and on the territory of the kremlin and tried to explain why those pilots who were shot down by the wagnerites during the march to moscow died and we will hear and see what and how said putin, the courage of the self-sacrificing papal heroes, the pilots saved russia from tragically destructive consequences, together we knew and we know that the vast majority

of fighters and commanders of the wagner group are also patriots of russia. to use the dark one against his brothers in arms with whom they fought together for the sake of the country and its future, therefore, from the very beginning, life in my own right steps were taken to avoid bloodshed; for this, it took time, including to give those who made the mistake an opportunity to think again . well, in fact, it was not prigozhyn who made the mistake in this situation, but putin when he started the war against ukraine. because when we talk about the causes and consequences of what is now took place in russia and how it will affect not only russia in general, but the whole world. well, of course, on the russian-ukrainian front, the reason that putin leaned on the territory of ukraine and

put and did a hundred on chikov wagner believed that wagner is the advanced squad that will come to his defense at any moment , but it didn't happen as expected, why according to you , putin doesn't, well, in this case, he doesn't draw the right conclusions, the conclusions aren't because there were any rebels there, but the conclusions are that a lot of people have learned to shoot and now they can simply travel around the territory of the russian federation and capture cities. as it turned out, it is not difficult to do this in the conditions of the current russian reality. and that he simply cannot do anything about it and these people will be more and more and more well, this situation also showed that, in principle, power in russia today is conveniently lying on the floor, and any organized, not necessarily even very

numerous, but well-organized group of armed people can, in principle , take this power into their own hands and so on. the situation of this rebellion is beautiful, i don’t know how to call it correctly. she showed it very vividly, and well, it’s a collapse , a loss of legitimacy and a loss of controllability of processes, and what ’s happening now, well, it’s just funny because putin is talking about the fact that here are the heroes pilots well, it turns out that those who shot down these heroes of the pilots will just leave like that. that is, no one is going to pursue them , well, that is, even from the point of view of this logic, yes . that is, it is good that they were shot down, it is wonderful. i would like them to be shot down there it is much more that there were direct large-scale battles, that the russian army regularly destroyed itself as long as possible, but simply even from the point of view of this logic and pathos that he speaks, that is

, he is called the key, who are heroes, but at the same time, he simply lets those who shot them down a lot of it is closed, a criminal case and so on. well, you can imagine something like this in some adequate reality where there is some kind of state, there are some laws, some uh, well , some kind of state logic, well, that is, it all turns into an absolute circus, and uh , it seems to me that there will be a second action very soon, i am sure that it is not that it will not end, but that there will be a second series very soon, and this second series will be much larger and tougher, so i am returning to this opinion today in public the self-proclaimed president of the republic of belarus, oleksandr lukashenko, came out and talked about how he negotiated with yevgeny prigozhin, how he tried to convince him

not to start a civil war on the territory of russia, and how it turned out that prigozhin was in the republic of belarus. lukashenko said that the wagnerites would help now the belarusian armies to master new types of weapons will advise them, how can it be that on the one hand lukashenko is friends with putin and you seem to be a mediator, and on the other on the other hand, he hides those who tried to commit sedition on the territory of the russian federation, whether it will happen that the wagnerites who are now in the republic of belarus will commit a rebellion against lukashenka, because in principle, if 25,000 wagnerites

or former wagnerites go there, then this will be quite enough to demolish lukashenka, well, again, it is difficult for me to look for any logic here, because, well, putin, uh, back to this topic, that uh, putin himself, uh, is not going to , not what i think he can and because he wants to can't obviously punish these wagnerites even from their own point of view, that's why we have to look for logic in that. and how can lukashenko accept them? and if they are the ones who raised the point against putin, well, they are, well, inadequate already. well, we can't ask this question. put because it all goes beyond any kind of logic , that is, it seems to me that there is no point in looking for some kind of logic here , we do not know in fact how this story will end with belarus, we do not know in what status the wagnerites will be there or will they be there at all because so far, as i understand it, only prigozhyn is there with some of her closest entourage, but the main part of the wagnerites is now in the places of their

deployment in the occupied territory of ukraine and so far they have not moved to belarus . as far as i understand, well, again, after that what i saw in the news and analyzed, so we will see what will happen next, but in any case, i will repeat myself once again. it seems to me that this particular story with the wagners, and in general the situation with the collapse of the regime in russia on management of processes, it is far from complete, it will only be developed, an interesting opinion was written on his facebook page by deutsche wella columnist kostyantyn jaeger, he is a russian who has not lived in moscow for a long time and now lives in lithuania and wrote so that when lukashenko is involved in the rescue of a person, it means that there is nothing to save, a very interesting opinion by the way, although oleksiy danilov, the secretary of the national security and defense council, stated that lukashenko may be part of one of the groups that

will work on possible negotiations peace negotiations with ukraine will include a number of people from the russian federation who will talk about peace and that this peace must be concluded on certain conditions . regarding the war in ukraine may take place as early as july, and rd writes that on june 24 international meetings were held in copenhagen under the strictest secrecy with the participation of diplomats from western countries, as well as representatives of brazil, india, south africa and china they say it happened at the same time when prigozhin and your reactions were marching on moscow. what do you think, andrii, are there any separate or secret negotiations

on the ukrainian side, or what is the possibility of a call for these negotiations ? by what is actually happening in the kremlin itself, are there forces there that can strive for such negotiations that can achieve some success? well, here it is important that we simply understand our logic. i think this logic is obvious, it has been made public many times announced and constantly repeated, and it is very correct that it is constantly emphasized that no negotiations with muscovy are possible and our territories continue to be occupied, we have absolutely clear demands , they have been voiced repeatedly, this is the withdrawal of all occupation troops from the territory of ukraine, the liberation of all territories of ukraine including those that have been occupied since the 14th year, and so on, and so on, and so on, the payment of reparations, compensation for the fact that these

bastards did everything on our territory, and so on, i.e. no, no, we are not talking about any other conditions, in principle, it can’t, it can’t, and it has never been accepted by the ukrainian people , that’s why it seems to me that these conversations are. the maximum is crystal clear and understandable. i don't see any reason yet that somehow it could change, that's why i feel about it. well, i don't know. it seems to me that there is no point in discussing it at all. well, that is, i understand that there is no point in introducing reality with anyone uh negotiations from the russian side as long as they are on the territory of the ukrainian state until they leave here and they are not expelled properly well, it is obvious, i will repeat it again, this is a clear position that ukraine declares all the time well, and with whom in russia do you speak with

any forces with what forces are there to negotiate, well, it is obvious that if there are any forces there that, er, can somehow influence the situation there, well, they are not manifested in any way today, well, that is, i don't see anyone to talk to at all, good russians don't i know that there is a mass of people sitting in prison with whom to talk. well, that is, what is their influence now on the fact that it is possible to withdraw russian troops from ukraine, and the influence is zero if we are talking about some possible establishment in russia, that there are any forces that can organize an establishment to come to power and to go to such negotiations well, it is possible that such an option exists , as we can see even with this mess that is currently happening in russia. territory, there is nothing to talk about at all. well, even more so when the war criminal yevgeny prigozhin is among the rebels. and actually the wagnerites, who are also war criminals, here

, in my opinion, there are no options either, and to hope that someone will come to power in russia in as a result of some kind of coup d'état, do you mean unconscious or is there any chance at all that someone will come to power, with whom at all? it is possible to at least sign a peace agreement . it seems to me that including this, i always said that if is in russia and there will be something on like a palace coup or a mutiny, as a result of this, good russians and russian liberals will definitely not come to power . i will come . something like a beautiful thing. i don't think so. that is, there are all who can do it. they are also the same characters, kind of beautiful, that is, i don't see

any other options there yet, again, and that's why we return to what we are saying there , the question is not, well, how will the situation be the current situation is quite difficult in russia with the possible possible displacement of putin, well, er, or prigozhin’s group, or maybe there will be some other force that will take a swing at it, how will it generally affect the further course of events in ukraine, that is, whether there will be a strengthening of the uh, will there be a reaction from the russians, will they act more harshly, more harshly now, or in what way will they uh, well, still move away from uh, it seems that there are no good options, but in any case, any destabilization in russia it will be in our hands to play it 100%. that is , there is no need to have any illusions, no

decent and good people will come to power there, it is 100%. they are all complete bastards there, but if they start an internal conflict, it will lead to the fact that they will lose control for a while , there will be a civil war there, there will be collapse, and this is 100% in our hands, that is, there is no need to have illusions. yes, as a result of all this, we we will get some kind of good option for us, but in terms of specific people who may be in power there, this will not happen, but the very process of this this turmoil that will begin as a result of this struggle for power is clearly in our hands, it will weaken them very much, well , in fact, in the ideal version, it can lead to the collapse of russia, which we have the right to do. thank you, mr. andrii, for the conversation. this was andrii illenko, an officer of the freedom of the fourth battalion brigades of the operational assignment of the national guard, we are moving on, we are working live on

the espresso tv channel, as well as on our media in social networks and on youtube, for those who are currently watching on youtube, put any please like this video, subscribe to our youtube channel. well, next we have a novel , tsimbalyuk, a ukrainian journalist, a former owner, a correspondent of unian in moscow, a person who will now tell us what happened in moscow and in russia during these last few days, because e- yesterday, everyone was waiting for putin's historic speech. piskov spoke about it today. journalists of the kremlin pulorium novosti write about the upcoming speech and a new page in the history of the kremlin. congratulations, mr. roman. what

is happening in russia. congratulations, sergey. heard the voice of that part of the russian fascist federation, which asks a simple question: why is this an invasion? and what does it allow us to die for some uh, idiotic ideas of vladimir putin, in principle, it's one thing to support them somewhere in moscow in warm studios , another thing to die somewhere under the bahmut or on to some other part of the front, that's actually everything and it's clear that this monster is in the form of a private military campaign. it's very strange because on the one hand, they all plastered the whole a and the whole of russia with the corresponding m-m announcements at the expense of the addition of new personnel instead of those who were killed on the other side because they are looking for an american trace here - this, and from the third party it became clear from the words of vladimir putin himself , it is not a secret that they spent 1

billion dollars on the military . in other words, in order to destroy and destroy houses in bakhmut, they spent so much, and this is a little bit of idiocy, because it would be cheaper for them to earn the same bakhmut somewhere in the urals, and maybe it would be more useful for everyone. behind putin gathered the security forces and there was such a gold in the commander of the guard who at one time still had a part or let's say complicity in the coup of 1991, he was there guarding yeltsin and this is a famous photo near the white house today zolotov who uh everyone was silent and just spread his wings

on the territory of the kremlin, he ran into a garnet chamber and talked about how he fought with the wagnerites. let's look at this fragment , because it is very revealing . postupah in moscow because if they spread the group, they would simply reflect the president , not putin, and not zolotov . they do not give an answer to the main question.

why did this happen, you see, you showed a photo of zolotova during the putsch, but for these 30 years, they all had a little bit of a tower demolished by the government without any restrictions, that's why they behave like this i like that, as it turned out, if the soldiers or vk wagner came like this, the next time the soldiers of nato countries will pass like this, and ukraine will be among them, and it's interesting. the main thing is that moscow should not be burned, although in the history of the russian federation it has happened, we are watching repeatedly , we are watching now on gold, but in fact their e hmm high mood can be understood because putin hesitated for a very long time, where did chvk varner come from, he wanted to make an alternative view and an alternative force

in order for the conditional conditional corporate lake balance in some way, and this led to, as they say here, a rebellion, and accordingly, the gold is very happy because he is once again beloved by the wife of vladimir putin, his department will be reinforced with tanks and artillery, and this is good news. i think that the tanks should be really closer to moscow. some pooch or someone will come out with a white piece of paper without an inscription, and here a tank is leaving , the more russian tanks in moscow, the fewer there are in ukraine, this is the logic here, and here we see in general how the russian leadership still i still put it on these old shots. look at shaygu , uh, nobody is shouting where shaygu is, where are gerasimy on the day of the ammunition. well, and so on. no one calls them bad words, in fact, now there will be interesting changes at the front, or rather, not changes, but informational support now

only the russian military will remain there, whom we will not kill until we kill every last one, because they will not leave. this is the first part . and in russia, they will tell fables of the frightened shenks, how we have all been eaten by all the tanks . we are not afraid of anything. everything is on fire a military corps, respectively. now they will be built exclusively under the ministry of defense . perhaps someone, if there will be a personal one, will serve someone, unless it is ramzan akhmatovich there or the whole part of these win- rats of the military. it will be a little bit, um, cover up well, actually, this is a story, i completely share this opinion, it is absolutely positive, first of all, everyone saw that the king is naked, and that he himself created this group, secondly,