[000:00:00;00] the second one was built by a-a that supposedly stopped the entrance to the state duma meeting, we talked about whether the approval of putin and lukashenko had really started . here are all the events perceived in russia as personal. reputation among russians in your opinion. yes, you know. well, of course, we don't have any kind of sociology, because even this question is collected by reuters, so it shows a very small means of sentiment on one street in moscow. we feel by the moods of people in social media, and you can judge that, of course, at first, no one understood what was happening .

what does all this all this mean eh the body of the movement then it seems to me that wagner's march showed eh the extreme weakness of the russians a-ah and eh yes even at the moment when lukashenko became so official a-ah mediator between means we're pretty putin, and putin looked like a man who needs to be looked after in some way. he can't figure things out on his own. tom konstruktsiyu weakness ah, because a large number of people in russia certainly do not follow the telegram channels of the beauties there for memorable reasons , they just might have heard that something strange is happening there, after that we see eh on putin's tv for two evenings in a row, 2 days in a row, eh, in which he tells the story of how some flamboyant

seven-pounders were heroically stopped from making concessions to moscow, miraculously saved, and at the meeting of the security council, everyone sits at the same time because of accidentally sad with tragic faces, as someone noticed, as if at the funeral, at the rehearsals of the funeral, all these people gathered. in addition, the last point that i notice here is that in general, putin is in his minute things that he yesterday and today presented to the russians to the citizens and his words become shorter and shorter, he did not say anything in particular , in general, as everything was noticed, that is, that is it. well, that is, that is a speech, that is , that is not an event. but to tell him, by and large, there is nothing. putin really doesn't touch anyone , and for you, the story definitely came out weaker

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by step . worldview program my name is vasyl zima, for the next hour and 48 minutes we will talk about the topic that we announced for today, the screen of the prigozhyn rebellion and why exactly.

i call the discussion today because i, like many other experts, well, i'm not an expert, i'm a journalist, a writer, but i'm always here more as a writer than as a journalist, i'm looking for logic in certain events, well, in any work of art, especially a great work of art. is this a novel is this novel supposed to be the logic of events, as they say, there should be artistic truth and in life there should be vital truth and in politics there should be political truth everywhere there should be some kind of truth there is such a science like logic so if ato there are certain laws of logic that have to be preserved when certain events do not have any logic or when you do not see the result of what was happening, you ask yourself the question: are those events that are actually taking place self-valuable and self-sufficient ? with one simple statement, if something looks like shit and tastes like shit , then obviously it is shit and you shouldn't think that it's probably

some spoiled marshmallow and maybe it 's spoiled jam and maybe it's not jam at all and it's not from the ether maybe it's something like that a substance we didn't know about before. it's just part of a meteorite that fell, but it's definitely not shit. no, it can be just shit . that's why when we talk about prigozhin's riot , we don't see what we got as a result . prigozhin landed in belarus this morning on his uh there embray at seven o'clock 40 minutes at the airport in machulyshchi not far from the border with ukraine and he is already belarusians, they all give heavy weapons to the army of the russian federation and in principle did not appear at the front, as the representatives of the ukrainian general staff write at the front wagners who went to moscow didn't show up. they didn't show up. they were offered at least light in agra. in principle, it's not important at all. we have to understand that. they were offered different options, either they can go home or they can sign a contract with the ministry of defense and do something there, that

is. parishioners in belarus with an incomprehensible purpose. lukashenko made some statement in which he said, "don't call me a hero. and i spent 30 years preparing for the war. well, that is, everything that happened after this rebellion. it is devoid of any meaning. putin is running away from moscow disappears from the radar near the gates, then a person similar to putin appears in moscow, because many experts are convinced that on june 25 it was not putin, because the voice of the person who recorded the appeal yesterday and the voice of the person who recorded the hospital on june 25 - these are just different voices it’s easy to even hear that these are different voices, but god is making some kind of appeal to him, they are traitors, ani was stabbed in the dog, that is, in the back, then they are not traitors, they are patriots , eh, they must be forgiven and understood, she must be punished, then they must not be punished any

statements that contradict each other and all that the moscow elite flew out of moscow then returned to moscow muscovites flew to turkey now they don't know what to live for there because there is no money because they bought tickets 10 times more expensive and the whole story is the same again devoid of logic, well, in everything there must be at least a manic person, at least a sick person, but there is some kind of logic, and here there is no logic at all , western experts and the leader of the western countries say that we support russia, others are watching russia there, and once again this leads it brings us back to the idea that this whole prigozhyn riot is a screen, but what is happening behind this screen, we will ask the guest who is with us today in communication, this is the first guest, and then there will be a second guest, and we have volodymyr omelyan mr.

volodymyr , you are greeted by the minister of infrastructure of ukraine in certain years. to understand what is actually happening behind this screen in russia, and i still can’t understand it. and how do you interpret it, or can we at least assume that some completely different process is actually taking place behind this screen , vasyl, i’m very glad to see you, to be honest , i’m bored about the rozhen campaign, you know i don't think that it was broad, to be honest, here i am in the first place. perhaps in my life i will not agree with you. because it seems to me that this is a logical consequence of the fakeness of the russian state. russians have always scaled the idea that the russian empire is a superpowerful country marked by powerful institutions with a grandiose history and a fantastic future, in fact it was and remains such

a monster on clay feet where the institutions do not work where there is only one person the king who decides everything due to the abilities of this king and due to the availability of resources of the state itself and the reactions of the outside world to any russian actions. the entire empire functioned in the past, and now it is being dismantled. pugachev or from the same lenin? the only thing i am surprised by is that he so easily and simply walked 800 km in the direction of moscow . it seems to me that the theory that there is not a single army behind the front line, because there were enough of them even in rostov, they

were either paralyzed that they also probably did not really want to fight with prigozhyn due to some reasons or they really see him as their leader. or maybe prigozhyn had a sufficiently powerful job or someone behind him so that there would be no armed confrontation brilliantly organized, but i have already repeatedly left the battalion from the place of deployment to the front line and returned from there, and i understand how difficult it is to organize even 500 people on time and without problems to deliver them from point a to point b for approximately this distance. they managed to do it that means they know how to do it and they

had enough techniques. zaquatom, who was in turkey at one time, he cannot do it because erdogan brutally suppressed the rebels, he actually spilled political rivers of blood, we see that putin has not done anything, sitting next to him is the same man as gerasimov, who was sent as in december in a trap to belarus and everyone pretends that it happened with little blood , but i will emphasize once again - in fact, it is russia - it is a monster on clay feet, the whole history of the russian empire, especially its collapse. is it the empire itself? is it always the soviet union? was limited to two days, that is, the two or three days when they wanted to capture kyiv, but that is how moscow always falls, this is the period of time, i will now take a short break on the topic of beauty , we will return to it, because

the consequences of this event and putin's statements are already important, and now with the euro lukashenka, as i understand it, they write to him online because well, something needs to be declared, but this statement, which i immediately ask you to comment on , i will say. maybe someone does not know. volodymyr worked in the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine some time ago and is a diplomat. he can comment on it professionally, the prime minister of hungary, viktor orbán, imagined that he does not consider the president of the russian federation, vladimir putin, a war criminal, although the case against him is in he is accused of child abduction, is the international criminal court of the un in gas, and orbán also says that ukraine is no longer is a sovereign state, peace depends on the usa and not on ukraine well, what should be the reaction, i have not seen whether there is a reaction from dmytro kuleb, the minister of foreign affairs, or whether there should be a spokesperson to declare from the ministry of foreign affairs

of ukraine, because there will be such a statement like this to react, and again, can orban also be a certain marker of the kremlin's mood, because it often happens, well, the diplomatic toolkit is quite wide. in addition to these two things that you mentioned , the hungarian ambassador to ukraine should definitely be summoned to the ministry of foreign affairs from kyiv, who in your opinion hungary does not exist. yes, and he should provide some clarifications about what his official factors had in mind, but hungary is not surprising and, in fact , vaccination by hungary is very useful for the european union and nato, and now i will look for them much more carefully for myself. allies and will understand that these allies, especially their internal affairs, cannot be left to such , you know, self-directed and the current must be watched carefully what is happening

in countries that are members of nato or the european union, in addition to today's statement, hungary also had an interesting statement just the day before when she said that she would block the process of ukraine joining the european union and, in addition to the traditional issue of national minorities, she suddenly raised the issue of whether georgia should become a member of the european union at the same time or the beginning this process of acquiring the happiness of the european union together with ukraine, this triangle of tbilisi, moscow, budapest, it is very interesting because it is a precisely formed cream and, paradoxically , with one hand, the kremlin is trying to block the full-scale entry of ukraine into the european union, and on the other hand , it is pushing its ally georgia to acquire such membership. that is, it is such schizophrenia of the brain, if it exists at all. maybe there is just a spinal cord and not

a brain, and it seems to me that hungary is playing catch-up for the time being it is a financial instrument of a non-specialist, unprofessional, when hungary admits, uh, they deny access to such european funds to championship funds, and they come to their senses a little and then try to conduct a dialogue with them, or let's say they do all kinds of bureaucratic tricks when they submit to the approval of everyone the completeness of the established order daily with all the points that bother him, so he cannot vote against a single point, he is forced to vote for all of them. but i believe that after the fall of putin , after the defeat of the kremlin, orbán will go on the way out. because the existence of orbán is the undermining of democratic institutions in the west. and by the way, brussels and washington also pay a lot of attention to the threat of urbanization in ukraine, and they understand all the consequences. they now understand

the neglect of the neglect of the processes, and here , of course, in hungary, the population is approximately the same. in belarus there are somewhere up to 10 million, in hungary there are 9 million kopecks , a country that is surrounded by european countries , none of which is an ally of the russian federation, this is such a population with such an army. well it is unlikely that she can be some kind of player who, but as long as she is in the eu , as long as she is. well, she can influence something, in fact, what she is doing, and i understand that money must be earned anyway, but returning to the subject of beauty, i want us to listen to yesterday's evening vladimir putin's statement and today's in the morning with yava lukashenko, they had a joint speech yesterday. well, how jointly at the same time and one had to make a statement, the other had to make a statement, lukashenko took a pause, as they say, and made a statement today, let's

listen to a sample and then comment on what else they they said, in addition to this, there is any chance of trying to create internal turmoil, i repeat, the highest consolidation of society was demonstrated, the executive and legislative authorities at all levels took a firm and unambiguous position in support of the constitutional order, public organizations, religious denominations, leading political parties, in fact, the entire russian society fell to us. the mission to preserve peace won by millions of lives and heroes of our fathers, this means only one thing, we must be stronger than the threat that the base hangs over shadows over our land and the west again, as you can see, the history is halved, the president, i will say this further about the consolidation of all levels of power and officials, i do not mean those officials who flew out of moscow in an emergency and that society that flew to georgia, turkey, or perhaps

consolidation at all levels, when people greeted wagner with flags, they went wild and brought water to the fighters wagner, who in principle encroached on the constitutional order , somehow it does not stick here well, what is it, please , your comments, what is lukashenko too interestingly, he also said that he is not a hero at all and that there is no such movement, russia will bury us under itself, therefore, our country is the same, which two myths collapsed on saturday. last week , the first myth is that putin is supported by more than 80% of russians and that that he fell was confirmed today by yesterday's regular survey of russians. you already have 90% of russians supporting him, we saw that none of the russians went outside, and russian propaganda and russian intimidation of their citizens led to the fact that they turned into such, you know,

silent killers who are ready to go with garden to kill someone, but they are not able to express at all nifi, express your support my second fruit well, of course you can actually go to moscow with a completely calm march er, a kind of modern human xxi century and no one will stop you except for some unfortunate few helicopters and airplanes according to the statements putin's statement is very interesting and it was announced by piskov as a statement of historical significance and grandiose scale, then he himself denied his words after they were uttered, maybe there was another preparation but it is most likely that even kremlin propagandists understand that putin has become boring, putin has become uninteresting and he cannot generate anything new in principle, when everyone expected him there conditionally that he will announce that he is marrying a lukashenka here or that he will a nuclear attack 5 minutes after the speech, and here he is once again

repeating his previous theses and absolutely such a gray reaction, well, it's not about anything , lukashenka has a difficult situation. he also clearly understood that the beauty would be stopped not by military means, but by financial or political means, which actually happened, that's why he is trying to continue looping, he was developing the rank of general there today, somehow he was telling that the troops were in combat readiness. as he announced today, the problem with dictators is that they have nothing new, that they have everything in the past and they are just quietly watching their empires die and they themselves will soon

to communicate with gaddafi about why they did not succeed, you know. so, if i still assume that things are not going well with putin , because at least the elites want another leader , it reminds me of the story of 1984, there was such a yuriy volodymyrovych andropov he is positioned as a fighter against corruption in the soviet union. well, indeed, there were certain measures taken by him there, and when he was brought to death there , as they say, or no matter how he died there, in a word, he was already on artificial life support, but the citizens of course, they did not know the soviet union at that time when the central committee of the cpsu decided who would be the next leader, and when they decided that the next important person would be the next important one, konstantin assessed chernenko, people simply went into the ward before androp and disconnected him from the apparatus, he died, and then everyone announced that he had died, but in fact he was already incapacitated before that, but just not you could not decide who will be the main one in your opinion or can there be such movements here in moscow, but at the same time we see that china today expressed support for russia and said that they, together with russia

, are fighting for the peace of china and support what is happening, although it is said secretly that it should in july, this meeting will take place in denmark, it has already taken place, now there should be a meeting in july where they will discuss the course of the war because china allegedly doubted putin's ability to support the russians in that state in who is she now, that is, did he send the message? here is this episode with an adventure and external forces, otherwise, and in britain they finally began to really think about what to do if russia disintegrates before this. as well as the shooting down of russian sonic missiles over kiev, it has the effect of a turning point in this war, because the west really understood how unstable russia is, and for the first time, a public voice is speaking

about the divisions of russia or the disintegration of russia who likes it before such discussions from officials or official institutions were not even allowed now this is already a new reality formed by putin there will be a quick end i think he will also be turned off or will he be isolated there somehow and he will disappear then he will be dry the obituary is on the first page of the russian newspapers of the world. then there will be organized some kind of march of these grandmothers, they will cry for him, which he exhibits there , they nod at biden and all over the place, but after that , at first i had the idea that russia would be able to consolidate and exhibit some extraordinary powerful bloody figure and conditionally the second lenin or the second stalin who will take the country under full control with terror from the first and once again send his troops to the west but judging

by the recent events of the prigozhyns it is precisely and to me it also seems that after putin there will be such a hearse race, you know, what was the name of this post-election period when the general secretaries really died one by one and they did not understand what was going on, yes, russia has no quality leaders due to the total control of putin. that is, some raw personalities will be nominated and they will be criticized there will be a struggle between the elites within russia itself, are there any remnants, and new leaders will then be born who will probably lead with such to the next gorbachev or a figure of a similar category, so who will be conditionally european will engage in another extension or reconstruction there and save the remnants of russia from complete poverty and decline . i see such a path somewhere for this empire, how realistic it will be, everything depends on the armed forces of ukraine, everything depends on the help of our

allies, because only together and only on the battlefield we can achieve our goal of ending the collapse of the soviet union, which began in 1991 and continues to this day. restructuring and then the disintegration of the soviet union factor here is still the background of the idea of ​​war then it was the war in afghanistan, but then the war in afghanistan took more than 14,000 lives of soviet soldiers who were sent there to asia. and now the russians have already lost hundreds of thousands before but this, but i am simply leading to the point that the war is also now playing with the steering wheel and this war is much more cruel. and it is noticeable that yesterday i read hmm, an american green beret who fought in the war in afghanistan, and he was asked about his impressions in ukraine, he he commanded the international legion and he says that

the most terrible day in cancer and afghanistan when it seemed that everything was going well, control over everything was lost and just now everyone will die in ukraine - this is every day , that is, the fact that you are cancer in afghanistan was something for the americans incredible in the war, in ukraine it is every day ago, this war is much scarier and more traumatic for ukraine, and of course it is more traumatic for russia as the aggressor. i have one more question, because this story somehow passed by the air , few people talked about it, i thought about it for it was interesting for me and i read the expert. yesterday i forgot how he was, unfortunately, but he also said about it. this is the story that the players are moving to the city of borys glebsk and in the city of borysogletske there is an arsenal of nuclear weapons, and it also seems to me like that a very strong message for the world, look what might happen now, they will seize nuclear weapons, and it is not known where they will hand them over to, so it is better to let it be putin or this conditional putin, and the weapons will be under control. do you think it was accidental or was it really like that too