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thank you very much to all 1,340-47 people who are now we are watched on our special channel for the world during the war program. and in general, everyone who watches us online where we have not been turned off and on the main express youtube channel. well, let's move on to the second part of today's program . vladislav farafonov, interview analyst with of ukraine, co-founder of the institute of americanists, americanists, vladyslav congratulations to you glory to ukraine congratulations to the heroes thank you for joining well, now let's lead- i'll lead the audience so that they understand what we're going to talk about well, at least during my first question in the case of russia's use of nuclear weapons in ukraine, this will be considered an attack on nato , this is stated in the draft law that was registered in the upper house the day before these few days ago in the upper house

of the american congress, the senate of relinzi graham, a republican, and richard blumenthal, a democrat, introduced themselves to nato. according to their opinion, the adoption of the resolution will be a signal to the leadership of the russian federation that the use of nuclear weapons will lead to war with nato , and no one wants that, or obviously nato will react to it, but at the same time i must also emphasize that this resolution, even if it is passed by the senate, will not be binding on the executive power and will remain only a recommendation, mr. vladyslav , for your professional opinion, even if it is only the recommender is of a recommendatory nature and if it is approved in the congress in the senate, it will be important for us. well, look, i think that we should proceed from two positions for now: it will be approved or or

it will not be approved. would such a resolution be registered at all, yes or no, i think that it is still worth it because if you choose between the lack of this discussion and in particular in the corridors of the so-called american establishment and in particular the congress, i think that in reality it will definitely not interfere because again, it is very important, er, also those se-symbolic messages that carry the resolution by itself. in my opinion, there are three first - it is very symbolic that this pair of senators has been registering many resolutions in support of ukraine for a long time, er, starting from a resolution that would call on the state department to recognize russia as a sponsor of terrorism until this uh this one and in april if you remember , there was a resolution in support of uh those actions of the united states that would ensure the victory of ukraine. this is also, in

principle, exactly these senators eh - and just her registered, and it is very important that they represent more than one party, and that is, what this essentially means is such bipartisan work, and at these briefings, when they announce initiatives, well, personally, they look like such a single team to me. i have the impression that they are there every day working together yes and only working on this is very symbolic and very important especially in those times when from time to time we hear calls to reduce support the second is that this resolution again if it is adopted but it calls to start consultations mean er between er members of nato on the eve themselves, then i think that this is a very relevant issue. and here it is just er important that this resolution was just registered to the website, that is, in fact, i understand that it is precisely

the senators who hope that president biden spoke would with the initiative of consultation to the summit a at the summit already discuss something substantive that you then went into the final stones which at least in my opinion would be logical and the third thing that is also no less important is that in fact this resolution as a whole returns yes to such a general the american and essentially atlantic discourse in general regarding the safety of the nuclear power plant in ukraine, in particular the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, because without exaggeration , the speed of er means changes in er different events . in fact, i think that the american public could theoretically miss it and here, after all, it’s a different matter when american senators are actually talking about it, and accordingly, it

’s a completely different level of discussion, and here, as they say, it won’t work to ignore it, because again, if such professionals are experienced and influential senators register such a resolution. this means that we are really, as they say, approaching such a critical moment , so again if we choose between not having this resolution and that it is registered , of course it is good for us that it is registered because it is at least this will definitely turn the attention of the white house once again and as a result it may turn out that then the white house, let's say, is faced with several options for the development of events or to initiate something independently or in cooperation with these senators , so it means to say that here it is and which ones

do you have even more specific proposals? let's then work on this together. yes, and accordingly, this will again definitely turn the attention of the american public, which as a result may be caused, that is, may result in an increase in aid to ukraine specifically for the prevention of - and the consequences of this possible disaster or at least a quick response if there are still provocations that the ukrainian authorities talked about last week very actively vladyslav well , what you are saying is that it is even good for us if that's why this initiative was not registered. but is it according to your professional expert opinion as an americanist? and is there still a chance that it will pass in congress, and you say that now the democrats are working together with the republicans in tandem? i am more concerned about whether

the republican party will support it because we know there is a group lindsey grand for me personally this is a person of the same type of reagan sentiment against russia do some other representatives in the republican party in the senate in the house support this position well now we are talking about the senate a that came from trump's side. well, that's why you're the real deal. what is it? even the initiatives that i mentioned, uh, from this couple of senators , they were actually not actually supported, and so far, uh, only registered resolutions have remained, but you know, i 'll say this . that in fact, er, resolutions are not even adopted, yes. they also, er, also actually have weight, because, accordingly, later, er, when new people come to the congress, let’s say , they also look there, which resolutions were registered, what time does that mean, and so on,

that is so i think that she actually has resolution, at least this quickly . i think that there are few chances of success, again, in particular, because it is essentially useless except for these consultations with nato countries. this resolution is not needed, and that is why here, again, here is more about such media influence , more prodisku understand about the real results of this particular resolution, but i will repeat that it is also very important because american society very often and these several studies confirm that ah-ah it is ready to react let's say so on those topics on those proposals on that a genda as we now say what

politicians are actually ready to offer to her yes and if conditionally there is no demand , then accordingly then the politicians will not er mean this kind of initiative to actually offer yes that is, it is with on the one hand, i would be a closed circle , and on the other hand, again, it allows the administration to talk a little more about it and, in particular, hope for at least the understanding of some part of the republican party, uh, here i absolutely agree that, for now, apart from a global understanding, there are actually chances for the actual adoption of this resolution is not so much. i think that there are approximately 30 to 70 in favor of the fact that it can be adopted , because i will repeat even the previous one . er, they are fast in the need for adoption, yes. in other words, here we understand that conditionally, if

it is there after nato, then it is possible and there is no need for this resolution, because there are prescribed consultations with the states of the alliance, which will take place in this way, yes, that is, in fact, then the meaning is lost, it means, uh, in principle, this document, so again, if it were possible to have a little more time, yes, but we understand that in our country, all events are changing very quickly recently, so for me, this is also an important signal that the american senators are ready so quickly were to react literally there, in fact, they registered a resolution on thursday. last week , yes, this is also an indicator that, after all, there is a large group both in the senate and in the house of representatives that is ready to respond so quickly to those challenges which too are changing dynamically. well, thank you for clarifying that even the fact of registration is already good for us, and with such a resolution, let's go

to the chinese-american -chinese relations a little bit, because it can be from these acquaintances, at least it seems so to me. to develop, it is possible that the support is not worded in a different way, it is possible that there is a settlement between china and the united states of america , china’s attitude to the russian war in ukraine may change . it is possible that anthony blinken , secretary of state of the united states of america the tour and joe biden, the president of the usa, said that the tour was just very effective and cool and generally cool and that it is possible just this era of mutual cooling may have a chance to end and the warming in your opinion can be a warming or not and if there is a warming or maybe after that the united states of america will of course think about itself, the president of the united states of america will think about his country, first of all, about his people, but after that, if there is

this warming, can he somehow put more pressure on china so that china supports russia less well, that's it one of the key topics was this visit, and anthony blinken stated this even earlier when the visit was planned, which took place. only now, let me remind you, it was planned in february, and then, in fact, everything was already almost ready for the start of this visit, but then china launched this is a surveillance balloon, in fact, and accordingly, the united states had no choice but to first shoot it down, and secondly to unequivocally cancel the visit to on such a background. so just then blinking said that uh, if uh, then it is confirmed information that china provides assistance to russia, in particular, with regard to the circumvention of sanctions and , in particular, also security assistance, respectively, relations between

china and the united states will deteriorate significantly, and in fact, it is unlikely that even in the short-term perspective , they would somehow be able to improve. and this it is understandable because the united states actually spends a lot of effort and here it is not even about er funds , not about weapons, but rather the effort from the point of view of just audit sanctions secondly this to convince other countries to introduce sanctions or strengthen sanctions. therefore, this is definitely one of the key issues, and according to the results of the visit, anthony blinken was assured that china will not do this. and so, in fact, china does not plan to worsen its relations , let's say.

with the united states, but we know very well that a large part of this russian cooperation is precisely aimed at the economic dimension, and that precisely the economic cooperation between these two states has grown significantly over the past 1.5 years therefore, this is precisely the moment where the united states can actually influence this very little , but also. i think that unambiguous such hints were made during this visit. but at the same time, there are also many such problems . yes, and this applies in particular to the increase in the number of nuclear warhead china where uh it's only from the information of the snake we actually understand what is possible in reality it's much more but nevertheless i think that

still one of the key questions was this taiwan yes and anthony blinken i think even more more directly than before, or maybe even more directly than that , because the president said that the united states and this administration will essentially support the one-china policy and do not support the essentially independence of taiwan, i will briefly remind you that the united states has a separate law regarding the need to support the continuation if it means that an armed attack will be made on taiwan , and therefore the united states from time to time activates this debate because it has a separate legislative the act that provides this is why i think that globally it can be said that the parties, as they say, agreed to agree, but after the last meeting

, everything and biden were agreed, and the white house communicated publicly several times about the work in such working groups, they related there from climate change to economic cooperation and so on, i understand that since november of last year, we tentatively agreed on during that priority visit of blinkin in february of this year to move in this direction, as of now, i don't quite understand where i got into this dialogue because again, no visit and no meeting, and in particular from the american side , could not be realized if they were not prepared, that is, they allegedly agreed that the bidens should meet next time but it is obvious that before this it must be done

. let's say that in fact a certain work and antonym blinken in his several interviews. by the way, a lot, well, enough . in one of the interviews he said that it means i can't disclose any more such serious details now, it means agreements, so er, i think that only after the already public communication, or maybe hints about the preparation of the upcoming meeting, it will be possible to draw conclusions about whether the parties really managed to move forward. they are saying in this direction. is it still just for now? how did you correctly say the cooling ? let's say that there could be such a... temperaments of both sides at this meeting, mr. vladyslav, and the last ones, well, this is not the last. i wanted to ask you a lot more, but thank you very much for telling everything in great detail, but please tell me, the topic of trump

is somewhat forgotten behind all the rest of the things that are happening . please tell me very briefly, literally 20 minutes, and what’s up with trump, well, look , in fact, despite the accusations against him, trump still remains in the leading positions in the polls, uh, means uh, if we are talking about the nomination within the republican party. yes, and in fact, i don't think that uh, he can significantly move there before the primaries, somehow from these uh, from these first positions because if now, after the presentation of the accused in several criminal cases, he still remains the favorite, it is actually difficult to say what could have gone differently, but it is also very important to understand that in view of the increase of candidates in the primaries in the republican

party, i i don't think that trump will have a big chance to expand his support, that is, he will maintain the existing level of support, but he will definitely not gain new supporters. professional answers for interesting answers it was vladyslav farafonov, interview analyst from ukraine, co-founder of the institute of american studies, time is running out, so i have to make quick money under the bag, uh, youtube results we asked you a question, did prigozhin shake putin's position, three answer options, as usual, yes, no, your option 70 1% believe that it has shaken 24% believe that it is not your option 5% your options can be read in a-a comments right now we have 1,866 people watching this on a special channel created for

the world during the war program thank you all thank you. thank you very much. thank you to all those who watch us online and at least where the espresso tv channel has not been turned off. and thank you to all those who watched us on the general espresso youtube channel. well, that's it , i'm forced to finish the program, the world during the war, to finish it only today because we'll meet next week, at the usual time, there will be new topics, new guests, it will be interesting as always, watch this week's program , collaborators, the story of the headman of the lake village , savior or traitor. did you write an application? figure it out why did the whole village come to the defense of vadym martynov? a person who saves the military in one place cannot be

a traitor with the other hand. congratulations. this program is a collaborator. detained on suspicion of collaboration, according to reports from law enforcement agencies , martynov provided the russians with road routes for the attack on kyiv, and during the capture of part of the region, he received an ak-74s assault rifle from the aggressor and a white armband as a distinguishing sign of the russian occupiers, the sbu also noted that the man leaked the headquarters of the invaders, the addresses of ukrainian patriots , after the release of the program, local residents who were under occupation all the time together with the old woman contacted us and informed us that in fact martynov is not a traitor, but on the contrary , a patriot and even saved 10 of our national guardsmen from certain death, so savior or traitor, we decided to go to the lakes to talk with the fellow villagers of the head and find out the truth, you didn't say all this to him like this

it is absolutely true that there were others, everyone was hiding, he talked to them calmly. and this is what i think is a very convenient way to hear the village of the lake is located 40 km from kyiv between gostomel and lubyanka , the population is 800 people, when on february 24, russia began a massive offensive against ukraine, who could quickly invent. and approximately 180 people remained in their homes. this village was occupied on the second day after the full-scale invasion of ms. natalya, and she was one of the first to see enemy equipment . we saw it because they were coming from our side well, the havrilovkas came through lubyanka and came to us, and they were the first to come and pass through us . they were like this: a new column is coming.

where were the posts, the houses, in general, everything was carried out , according to the people of ozer, immediately after the occupation, vadym martynov began to help those who remained, on march 1, vadym anatoliyovych and his wife came to us. and he immediately so don't worry for two or three days, as if they will be kicked out of here, it's not me. dad gave us some hope to hold on, that we're not alone, there was someone else with us, and then a little more time passed, he brought us something a piece of lard a piece of butter still says enough says one potato eat fry the lard the head together with his wife organized the delivery of food to those who needed it tetyana yatsenko together with her husband had a small dairy farm and thanks to this the village was provided with basic food,

and martynov himself often visited her for food we were here, we had a mini-farm, we fed people , there were a lot of people in the village, there were many children and we lived here, well , we milked the cows, fed them, well, we also trained our soldiers. well, they helped everyone as much as they could , and they helped the babushkas there, the old women. they knew who was left. then they were delivering that milk, then they found some cereal on this farm, we have it, ours began to beat , which means that we provided for all measures here, which means that someone helped with milk, someone provided provisions , vadym anatolich brought lard, potatoes, etc. almost every day unfortunately, tetyana yatsenko's husband was unable to defeat the occupation. he died from a shrapnel wound

. the woman herself miraculously saved herself. she was only hit by a tablet despite the constant shelling and danger. she wanted to bury her husband in the cemetery, so she turned to the head of the village for help. we tried to bury him, but well you know, he was one of the first to die in the village , the headman. well, the men went to him, he went to negotiate for us to be given permission to raise him in the cemetery. well, we buried him in the cemetery but well, he was accompanied by machine gunners and the shooting was from beavers. well, he agreed. yes, because well, after all, he was the headman, and who was the elder . since the beginning of the occupation of the lakes, the village had a secret. on february 24, 10 national guardsmen found themselves nearby, and the retired colonel oleksandr himself, along with with his lovely wife in two cars, risking their lives, brought them to their home, but the key role was played

by the headman of our village, the head of the village , vadim anatoliyovych martynov, unfortunately, at the present time, he has been charged with alleged collaboration, if that were the case, then i would not be here now, and also my family, as well as all those 10 guardsmen boys who we hid in the whole village from march 24 to march 11, 22 the locals understood that leaving ten armed ukrainian soldiers in the village was dangerous for everyone; they searched the houses several times a day; a decision was made to secretly withdraw the national guardsmen closer