[000:00:00;00] the elder of our village, the head of the village, vadim anatoliyovych martynov, unfortunately, at the present time, the depth and accusations of alleged collaboration against him, if it were so, i would not be here now, and i and my family and also and all those 10 guardsmen guys who we hid in the entire village from march 24th to march 11th, 22nd, would not have been local anymore. i knew how to leave 10 armed ukrainian soldiers in the village. it was dangerous for everyone . they searched houses several

times a day. therefore a decision was made secretly take us varists closer to kyiv, i can take a decent person away from a scumbag. excuse me, vadym anatoliyovych came to me on the first call on the morning of the 25th in order to take our guys to the pushcha-vodytsia police station, we previously agreed with the command of the guards brigade, we placed them in two cars, uh, five, i have uh, vadim anatoliyovych's five, and they drove at a fast pace to 100 mm through gostomel there, so they planned to leave for the kp, but uh, on the way out of the village , they saw the column for the first time. it was standing and forming the columns of the invaders were dispersed firing from all types of weapons and the blowing up of the irpin bridge, all this forced two cars carrying national guardsmen to return to the village, the men understood the danger of such

a decision, but took the risk. i asked vadym anatoliyovych to find civilian clothes for them. how to hide a weapon, how to hide means body armor, because a set of helmets vadim anatolich eh passed a kiss, collected his clothes, what he had, vadim anatoliyovych, he arrived then in a car e called what was needed, he knew what in i have two sons. he asked the boy for things for the boys. he told me that i need to give the boys clothes to wear. very little was known about them. from february 25 to march 11, until the village was liberated, all the locals were a single organism whose task was to survive and save 10 ukrainians. for the security of the head of the military, vadym martynov, a fellow villager really gave the weapon

of one of the soldiers under a receipt because he was constantly delivering food to other homes and was exposed to the threat of the machine gun of vadym anatoly. if it was aimed at our guardsman, we he was given this machine gun because he stayed at home under a receipt and we then found this receipt and we gave it to the lawyer and added it to the case after the deoccupation, all ten national guardsmen returned to their unit after that the village began to revive little by little , recover from the rashish invasion almost a year has passed since those events, and suddenly on february 21, 23, the headman of the village of lakes is detained on suspicion of cooperation with the russian military. i spoke with the unit command, the deputy commander

of the guards brigade for educational work. and he personally and on behalf of the leadership of the command of a part of the guards brigade, more precisely, personally conveyed a big thank you to vadim anatolich martin for the fact that he directly participated in the salvation of the guardsmen. martynov is not a traitor, but a hero. something happened so that something like that would come out on him. for some reason, i had faith and the thought that when they find out what part vadym anatoliyovych took in saving the boys, it will be clear and understandable by itself that a person who is in one place he saves our young soldiers, he cannot be a traitor with the second hand and somehow manage those processes called collaboration

, well, it simply does not work. the local residents are not sure of any of the heads. martinov's suspicion from the sbu is a settlement of accounts, the family of this collaborator who is sitting today, and this himself a collaborator , they were at odds with martinov, and all the time there were some misunderstandings between them . after the deoccupation of the village, martynov himself wrote a statement against a fellow villager, a certain petro zahorovsky whom he suspected of being a collaborator now this man is behind bars. his case is being considered in the borodyansky district court of the kyiv region. in order to take revenge, the entire family of the alleged collaborator wrote a statement against martynov, the daughter of the former chairman myroslav declares that the applicant is the one unknown to this day. on petr zahorovsky's statement, i am also one of the applicants, would he really be a co-worker , why is his collaborationism banal, he was

one of all allowed to go to the headquarters, he just went there ran around wearing teal shoes and so on, the father called them brothers, the main applicant here, uh, magically it turns out that he is also an asshole , and this, well, in my opinion, it was not bad, or if the circumstance is that a year has passed since the application was written , the application was written and the case was opened 12.03 22 year, that is, during the occupation immediately after the arrest of martynov, on february 25, 2023, the local residents of the village of ozera appealed to the authorities with a demand to release the headman and drop all charges. 168 people signed the statement, were you here during the occupation, yes, yes, do you think the mayor of the city to the collaborators or not, he didn't do anything to be a collaborator . yes, and they consider him your neighbors. what are the zagorovsky family, because

they have a war between them because of that ? they did not share well, we saw what he did here and helped people , helped and gave soldiers, they wrote a statement to the head of the village and why do they consider him a collaborator of your head of the village martynov is accused of collaborationism well , tell me what you think, he also stopped by and took out a machine gun. they explained to us that this was just a machine gun. it was actually a national guard. yes, katsapsky. my neighbors there understand better because they are witnesses to the katsap machine gun. and you saw the saliva, you deliberately wrote all of us in prison, the whole family wrote martynov, martynova myroslava and yulia and you decided to write about martynov and what i saw. that is, you wrote a statement . that's how i applied. i say, i know tete-a-tete. i say to you

, please sort it out. recently , another hearing was held in the case of vadim martynov . the solomyanskyi district court of kyiv continued he was given a preventive measure in the form of detention for another three months, and while the man is behind bars, his fellow villagers call on the law enforcement officers to pay attention to their testimony and promise to continue to fight for their former headman, who became a victim of malicious slander. this was the program of a collaborator. i am olena kononenko. if if you want to talk about the kremlin for sellers, write to us at this e-mail address or just on facebook, let's put together all the traitors on the trail of the russian ship . see you next wednesday on espresso i

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monday through friday at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 p.m. then we will start with the most pressing issues. we are waiting for the most relevant information. we want to understand what ukraine is waiting for. we know that we will not be accepted into nato yet, but at least it is possible that there is an alternative option to join us. trojansu what do you think will be the decision regarding ukraine, dear ladies and gentlemen, i know the position of ukraine, ukraine is waiting for an invitation to nato and the implementation of all these procedures, which should be completed as soon as possible, and after that, ukraine should be accepted according to such a procedure as finland or

i was not from sweden, this is the position of ukraine. we know this position of ukraine, but the fact is that all members of the north atlantic alliance must agree to this. we are dealing with unity and unanimity. positions of ukraine, in particular, in poland and the baltic states, but the point is to convince all other or the remaining members of the continental nato members, that is, the continental countries

of western europe, that there will be a consensus on such quick admission of ukraine to nato i think that there will not be such a consensus now , i think that there is no question so what to do i think that the best solution would be to find such institutional solutions that would bring ukraine closer to the north atlantic alliance as close as possible, as close as possible to this consensus after all, there was so there is no final solution here and we do not know in which place today we have three more weeks we do not know at what stage this consensus will be reached so far i can say that it already

exists and if it concerns what was created council of nato ukraine to accept such a plan to accelerate ukraine's military support to ukraine. this is an achievement without a doubt compared to what is happening today, so because until now nato ukraine only had its own commission and as you know, this commission has not met once for 6 years at its meeting, and instead, the council is already a partner union, which is reduced to full cooperation, not only the exchange of thoughts, ideas, but also information, strategies, and so on and

so on. i think that today you can say that this is on my menu, but it should be more. so, the position of part of the countries of the eastern flank of nato is reduced to that of probably the baltic states, probably poland . what should be said about some schedule plans , that is, a calendar, so that we can schedule in time the tasks that ukraine must perform, and at what time, what period of time, and at the same time should be done the assessment of these tasks, to see how they are implemented, to define new tasks for ukraine in such a way that the goal of

ukraine's accession to nato is in the near future in the perspective of ukraine's actions and thinking and aspirations of ukraine well, so that it was acceptable for the north atlantic alliance, they did not decide to take ukraine , which they call the argument of arguments, there are many, one of those arguments is that the starting point can be, for example, the situation determined by bucharest in 2008, because everyone then agreed that the future of ukraine is in nato, but no one said when they told the future and in what future, near or medium-term perspective, distant long-term perspective, that is, we can say that it was

a declaration without any obligations, nato was and make this argument. this is how these so-called unconvinced countries also argue. this is a good starting point, but it is necessary to make a mistake. our argument is that since then, a lot of bad things have happened. we must take this into account. there is also another question about which you know this is , for example, a question: no one has ever accepted a donation from ukraine, which is in a state of war, and also hailing the territorial integrity of ukraine

, how should article 5 function and be used? there is another argument somewhere they still have an additional one that in such a situation what will it mean what value will this article 5 have for other countries if we admit ukraine to nato and do not behave in accordance with the provisions of article five because if they do not fulfill article five in relation to ukraine in other words, it is not an element of the discussion , but those who will sit down at the negotiating table and there will have to make a decision and when they meet with such an argument that ukraine should be admitted to nato immediately, then

they will have somewhere else subconsciously this kind of question, that's what i said, so the situation is quite complicated , on the other hand, the north atlantic alliance is now how old it is, 74 years old, so it has a lot of experience, and the ukrainian experience will surely be another experience, we have not yet closed one section, that is, the swedish section of the aviation commission. what work is being done on the diplomatic process? we are creating conditions so that our partners are convinced that assistance to ukraine

today is not even among the member countries community, but of all the states of the free world, it boils down to the creation of various coalitions, that is, the tank coalition. as you know, we are now talking about the aircraft coalition. maybe there will be other coalitions. and the interesting thing is who is what in these coalitions is that according to this, on march 1, 2022, that is, in the first week of the aggression, no one thought about such a coalition, it was not on the negotiating table at all, and what appeared during those one and a half years, less than a year and a half , a year and a few months, that what are these

coalitions have appeared, they show that there is a dynamic process both from a mental point of view and from an intellectual point of view. but at the same time , it is a process, a dynamic process that concerns the evolution of positions and joint measures of joint actions. so, this year, poland and diplomacy are participating. of course, more year old, a representative of the ministry of national defense of poland can remind you of this question . although he won't tell you all the nuances anyway , because he can't.

regarding eu accession, what are the prospects? what do we still need to do? and what ukrainians got an editor ? that's all you are . what's there? impossible. you said that we are talking about certain processes and there is a discussion of agreements on conducting arguments and so on and so on and so on. no if we are talking about nato itself, but if we are talking about the nato council ukraine

, then there is a consensus here and i have not yet heard a single voice against such a council or against the creation of such a council , then we can say that the bucharest summit is not a starting point for negotiations, that is the starting point is something else, but now we will see how it will happen further, if it is about the accession of ukraine to the european union, what exactly are you asking about? about the chances, because ukraine has the status of a candidate country for the eu, and now the problem is when to start negotiations on the accession of the games preparing for this meeting, you must have oriented yourself to the status of the candidate. this is a very good thing, but it does not determine in any way

until now there has been no determination of the period by which the country will be appointed for accession negotiations, that is, because there are countries that have such a certificate. they have the status of the candidate during the decade and whether they are much closer to accession nothing indicates that such a situation will be repeated in the case of ukraine , that is, the situation is completely different actions in other conditions and ugh on the part of many members of the european union is such that it cannot last long and it cannot last for decades, it is about the fact that, however , this process has passed, it came as quickly as possible, it will

depend on many factors, not only which ukraine will have progress if it is about reforms of its administration, self-government, bodies of justice, horticulture, i.e. openness of the economy, i.e. to change the principles of economic and economic life so that it is more open, so that the rules of the game in the economy are predictable and transparent, what ukraine will do or it is possible to carry out reforms, we have our own experience, it lasted for 10 years, i am convinced that in the case of ukraine, it should last a much shorter period of time , but you must remember that it

will depend on what progress there will be in reforming ukraine, and how will be formed, a consensus will be formed regarding ukraine within the european union , certain conditions have already appeared, requirements for how the european union should be reformed, what procedures should be changed in order to accept ukraine into the eu, but there is, i repeat once again , a situation prior to this situation that is a proxy ukraine before nato, no one imagined this until a year ago. so, now to imagine

what will happen in a year requires clairvoyant abilities . today, poland is our unofficial lawyer who defends the interests of ukraine. to the european union and to nato or to the european union european union and who do you think is the most difficult with him with the germans i think you are right the hungarians too sir

yes yes i think there are certain differences despite everything because in the case of hungary it is possible, first of all, there are certain expectations regarding the relationship between ukraine and hungary, on the other hand, if we are talking about germany , then this is already a question of a more systemic nature, it is already traditional, they stem from the traditional policy of germany, which was very close to russia before russia's aggression against of ukraine well, it is also certain that germany cares about the shape of the european union as a whole when such a powerful player

as ukraine appears in the european union because then even the demographic point of view how difficult poetry it is difficult to say how much the population of ukraine will be after the war, for example, ukrainian guests , how many of our ukrainian guests