[000:00:00;00] let's take markus, a well-known media person, but he is a soldier and this is very cool, it is very important that there is this contact. there is an understanding and there is care for the soldiers, hugs for the generals, this is important . thank you for being with us. i say goodbye to you until friday at 18:10 and then veteri espresso program verdict and my colleague serhiy rudenko are watching together good evening we are from ukraine glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko greetings to all and i wish you good health today ukraine celebrates constitution day the day of the basic law which clearly determines the status of ukraine as a sovereign and independent state 27 years ago, the verkhovna rada of ukraine voted for this basic

law, among other things. this law is a law of direct effect. that is, all norms of the constitution are norms of direct effect for the 10th year. this constitution day is taking place in conditions of russian aggression and for the second time in the conditions of a full-scale war i want to congratulate everyone on the day of the ukrainian constitution ukraine was and remains a sovereign and independent state victory to us all glory to those who now boro ukrainian land on to the eastern and southern fronts and eternal memory to those who died for the independence of the ukrainian state, about the constitution of ukraine, the doctrine of the future of the ukrainian state , which president zelensky proposed to create today , the rebellion against russia and the six of putin lukashenko

and the victory over the occupiers, we will talk over the next hour, traditionally, i will start with the results of the losses of the russian occupiers on the territory of ukraine in ukraine , 227,100 russians have already died in the last day alone , the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 930 people from by the beginning of the great war, the russians had already lost in ukraine 4,036 tanks, 7,847 armored combat vehicles, 4,089 artillery systems , 627 rocket launchers, 387 anti-aircraft defense systems , 314 aircraft, 308 helicopters, 6,772 vehicles, 18 ships, boats, 1,261 cruise

missiles, 3,499 drones, 56 3 units of special equipment on youtube today we are conducting a poll, friends, and we are asking you about why putin forgave prigozhin mutiny. so , the options for answers. he was afraid of the wagnerites. prigozhin was his cook in advance. soaked my pants and your option, please vote on our facebook page under this video at the end of our program, we will see the results of this vote. i want to introduce our first guest today - he is a politician, diplomat, one of the singers of the 1996 constitution of ukraine, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the republic of belarus in 2010-2011 years roman immortal mr. roman i congratulate you on constitution day and thank you for joining our

broadcast good evening i congratulate you and all viewers on this holiday e p roman as it were the current constitution looked like, if in 1996 you, as one of the creators of the constitution, knew that ukraine would have to defend its independence in a war with russia , how much it differed from that text and from the basic law that we now use in ukraine, well actually under at the time of writing the project, this problem of the base in sevastopol was already interpreted by many participants in this process as a direct road to war. that is why this issue was heard on the sidelines and even from the rostrum of the verkhovna rada

, even when, on the night of a-a, it was finally accepted the text of the constitution is also there if you look at the speeches of people's deputies and marchuk, especially there is a reference to the fact that we need to solve this problem but understand that this is a key issue of our security and when the issues of the autonomous republic of crimea or the constitution or the statute were especially discussed and the ball and the region, this question was constantly raised, so i cannot say that then those who participated in this process did not understand that the danger for ukraine exists permanently, it is

constant, and this danger is the actual imperial the encroachment of russia is another matter, the relevance of this topic was fueled mainly by the fact that at that time, in principle, there was no contractual basis, because agreements on bilateral relations will appear in drafts only in 1996 and only in 1997 will the first documents be signed, like you do you understand the existence of states in the neighboring countries of such a history, it itself must be ensured in the legal and force component or to avoid confrontation between open and closed and in principle it is impossible, therefore i cannot say that at that time they did not dare to do this tension will always exist, which was not exactly expected. this is for a ten-year war on such a large scale, that is, it was always believed that the countries that are the co-founders of the un in the current conditions, that ratified

the relevant documents, they will find ways of a civilized solution, no matter how complex the problems are, no i can't see it today and it can't be seen even with the time that has passed, but 1994, 95, and 96 were very difficult , especially in terms of bilateral relations, and you remember that, serhiy, remember the so-called the zero option, which referred to the distribution of the balance sheets of the former soviet union of assets and liabilities, issues related to bilateral relations in the energy sector of such an agrarian complex and so on, that is, all this was extremely complicated things, but even in those conditions, minds, strength and people were found who found an opportunity to solve this peacefully, because if we talk about the text of the constitution, it is no longer written with

the expectation that there will be a war with someone, it will not be, it is written from the point of view of ensuring human rights and an effective state, if you mean me you ask how much the ukrainian constitution has tested, uh, it has passed this test, i will say that it not only passed , but in principle, starting from the worsening of the situation in 2013, it obliged us to act and act much more actively every year, because i am very, very happy for the fact that in this part the constitution is still relevant to this day and it tells the states-states how to act , mr. roman, you mentioned 1994, the 95th - those were rather difficult years for the crimean peninsula because it was the first attempt by the russians

to seize power on the crimean peninsula there there was its own constitution, there was its own president, yuriy mishkov, who openly declared and called on russia to join the peninsula to russia, as a result, the position of the president of the ark was abolished , the constitution was also abolished by the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and here you asked about this constitutional night in 1996 marchuk's speech marchuk just warned when these articles of the constitution were discussed, which related to the autonomous republic of crimea, the powers of the status, and how all this should be arranged , how, after all, it was managed to avoid and prevent what have we already received there? after 25 years in 1000 years in 2014 or 28 years ago, how did i manage to avoid this because i know that

when mishkov wanted to seize all the power of the peninsula and russia was ready just go there already, the alpha group flew to simferopol and just did what, unfortunately, was not done in 2014. in fact, the details of these things were very, very eloquently told at the time, and i can still tell the people's deputy and then deputy prime minister , deputy head of the presidential administration vasylya vasylyovych durdynets can tell this very well. moskal gennadiy gennadiyovych, who was then the head of the department of the ministry of internal affairs in the autonomous republic of crimea and so on, that is, in fact, the determination of the state machine, which was quite effective , it was on the side of ukraine. it ensured this process with its very active actions, and more than that . and it is tough enough and according to

the law, they act as local separatists to destroy the integrity of the ukrainian state, and here it is very important that all these people took us and i am not talking about the fact that all institutions, including the verkhovna rada , which created a commission that deserved by the way, at closed and open meetings , including state snakes and representatives of the security service of the prosecutor general's office, etc., changed the legislation according to the necessary steps of the state system protection and actually, these active actions, very active actions, uh, in the security system, they restrained, and this is the separatism of mishkov and tsekov, well, in fact , at that moment, these two figures led this process, as you remember, mishkov escaped, but this

who had to go through a closed meeting of the verkhovna rada. i don't know if there is a transcript of this meeting today, but a very tough conversation was held during it with answers to those questions. the machine if it did not belong to it and being still post-totalitarian but it acted on the side of ukraine and it is very important to note the composition of the verkhovna rada, despite the fact that it was dominated by the left majority the communist majority, but he is this composition, responded very well from the point of view of observing human rights and preserving peace and stability in the state, so in this case i can say that the state machine, in principle, fulfilled its task at that time, mr. romanov constitution day volodymyr zelensky spoke in

the verkhovna rada of ukraine and said that ukraine needs a doctrine, a doctrine of the future, a doctrine about ukraine, and proposed five guidelines for discussion : the philosophy of victory, global ukrainian security, the politics of heroes, politics transformation of justice in 10 years, is this an attempt to make a prospectus for a new constitution or, let's say, an updated constitution, to what extent does the current constitution correspond to wartime, is it possible that there is something missing, according to your opinion, you would add let's say this doctrine, what does it mean in the legal status of this doctrine a social contract or what it should be in the state, in principle it is important to have a doctrinal vision because it provides a certain perspective and mechanisms

for its action. martial law can work on this, but it is hardly possible, i do not know the art of the geniuses of the current lawyers who suggested this path, and to date , the current constitution prohibits making changes in the status of the current time, as for the doctrinal vision, in principle, it is important and important at the same time, understand that we have one permanent shortcoming: for some reason, we avoid the creation of a permanent operating committee of the verkhovna rada or a state-wide representative body that would constantly be engaged in the analysis of the constitution and the positions the channel has such structures, whether it has been brought in by the state or academic institutions or parliaments and so on. in fact, they are working on this. i

have the feeling that the president and his team understand that the impossibility of amending the constitution is actually under the so -called doctrinal vision and they understand the work on proposals, let’s say conceptual doctrinal ones regarding the change of the model of the constitution if it fits into the thesis regarding the re-establishment of the ukrainian state . it is possible to work, it is necessary to work, especially since there are people who work in academic institutions, public institutions, and so on, it is another matter to make these changes, these steps will have to be taken after the end of the war, so in this case, let's say, i don't see any things here about which you can

emotionally respond especially since the topic is some moments that were heard that are related to the history of ukraine, honoring the memory of heroes , these things are very important for the moral and ethical establishment of social institutions of education the process of spirit in the principle of the constitution and so on, the only point that upset me a little bit is that there is no understanding that the constitution is a political and legal document and it should be focused around human rights and not so much on issues of the state model of its institutions because with such dynamics

changes, well, these are conjunctural things, the political conjuncture in general must respond to them, in principle , a-a, that it needs improvement, that it is necessary to work on it, e-e. since you and i said that it should have been done a long time ago, such actions should have been taken, but unfortunately this was not done, so in this part, i repeat , the constitution is more than relevant, it demanded appropriate actions, just like the current situation based on the formal norms of the constitution, a state of war is called an illegal regime, because it is a state of war. and even here there is a problem that at the level of legal culture , we have problems not only with application, because with application, you can cry, laugh as even the understanding of what was laid down in the basic positions of the constitution of ukraine, especially in the part, i emphasize this, of human rights , a few days ago there was an attempt

at a military mutiny or coup in russia serhiy lavrov, the minister of foreign affairs of the russian federation said that they allegedly expressed solidarity with moscow against the background of the events of 24 in june, many representatives of different countries, but publicly, they did not want to talk about it . solidarity support i also held several telephone conversations on the initiative of my foreign colleagues, many of them expressed the same thoughts, solidarity, confidence in the fact that we will not allow any attempts to undermine the unity of our state to undermine the success and cooperation of a special

military operation, they asked not to name they don't talk about their calls publicly, that's why we try not to do that in this whole story , and lavrov and putin don't give an answer to a simple question: why did they go to ukraine and start defending moscow, that's what happened during june 24-25, according to you, what does this indicate about the weakness of putin or about the strength of the military-political elites who were ready to overthrow the current kremlin grandfather, this indicates that russia as a state as it was in the days of the russian empire of the soviet union is what it is now it's a class with clay feet and russia exists rather as an image concept and not as

a military-political economic military military-technical and so on, so in this case what happened is, well , the worst of the best versions of what we know from pikul's novels and from history of the russian empire of the soviet period and so on. that is, this is evidence of the permanent collapse of the fact that by force, with a totalitarian mechanism, the red or imperial dictatorships tried to create in the form of what is being trained by russia, and in fact, these image things, this cruelty is what scares the world, which periodically falls into shock when things of a similar scale or crimes or coups occur in what was called the russian empire, the soviet union, and now

the russian federation is actually neither russian nor a federation. that is, it is a conglomerate which is headed by the criminal cooperative lake, where more than 190 national prisons hold ethnic groups of this criminal co-criminal cooperative lake headed by fuhrer a-a putin, it is already obvious that this organism is not viable and it is obvious that it is periodic the fright to which all these spontaneous outbursts of the russian rebellion lead, remember how the poet wrote about it, they, er , as a fright, should come off the screen, and here it is very important that the democratic civilized world

unite its forces and strike a blow against this a clay wheel because, well, people have what to do today, huge challenges before humanity, and this is a rotten swamp , it stinks and stinks so much that it rings the whole world and makes the whole world stink, so there is simply no place for it on planet earth, but in this story , russia is the savior not putin, not the sheikh, not gerasimo, but zolotov, but lukashenko, the self-proclaimed president of the republic of belarus, well, at least he does not go to the taps for several days, he talks about how he heroically saved the russian federation from collapse, that they all hid like six soldiers there. synchronous big, let's hear lukashenko's conversation and bolts, people don't understand that we also approach this pragmatically if their commanders, as you and i discussed exactly

, will come to us and help us, their experience well , listen, this is not the front-line assault troops will tell us what is important now, here is putin for me the last time he said that a battery fight is he says it’s impossible without it eh drones they went through it they will tell about the weapons how well they worked what no and there is nothing to be afraid of them these are the same russian soviet and modern people like us well, we are russian soviet people, as oleksandr grigorovich said, but in this situation, mr. roman, the most interesting thing is that the handsome man, who was supposed to be the number one enemy for putin, became the number one friend of alexander lukashenko, who is the number one friend of vladimir putin or

it is possible to perceive it as a kyiv play and they say let it be on svoboda, it is meant to be beautiful, but it is only under our control that this play is not played to the end. this is obvious and clear and there will be many more in the following acts and we are still we will see a lot in this play. even now, in the first days after that, one can see how tragically and comically these events are developing around the participants of this process, it is important to understand that this is taking place in the spirit characteristic of what is russia, and here we must divide ah-ah lukashenka like a clown and the head of a collective farm in this process, and russia and its internal vision of this situation and external vision of what is happening

. this is what this creature blurted out that they are soviet people. and now how it happened with stalin, with stalin, khrushchev, brezhnev, and so on and so on, it will continue to happen, it will spread, it will fall apart, and it will infect everything around with its contagion, now the outside world is clear that these events have inflicted colossal image blows, they have shown what russia is , but i want to focus now a few words of sentences on how this is perceived in russia . and these events will lead to mobilization within russia itself, and this is the danger

of such things, which are always in history. russia of the soviet union happened and they led only to an additional you understand this is a very dangerous thing because after watching all this and being scared and this crowd he is scared, he will fly to the enemy at whom they will point the finger and what they are doing now after this attempted coup by means of the mass media to russia it is it is very dangerous because the way they interpret these events , leps does not see anything else, he does not understand it in a different way, and so on, all this is directed against ukraine , against the civilized world, even this lie lavrov, well, it’s clear who called, everyone knows very well what the political leaders said there and the morning of china and so on and so on and there even lies you understand by lying to yourself lying to yourself by lying to this person well , in fact, this is only a signal to the world, in one

thing, it is necessary to overcome this danger as soon as possible. we have a fragment from a russian tv channel where kiselyov talks about wagner about a private military company. by the way, i want to remind you that putin and lavrov have always denied the involvement of the state in wagner and this private military company. just a few days ago, he then admitted that 1 billion dollars was spent on this private military company, although for the past three years he denied that russia has a relationship with this company, what kisilov says from the tv screen of the plebs , we will hear him slaves who reigned in chvk wagner we will tell you in our next issue , including on the basis of materials from western mass media , such as the german tv channel ntfaoz or this interview of a former wagnerian on

the air of another german tv channel rtl ma we had to kneel before our boss and forever beg for forgiveness for the slightest misdemeanor, the debunking of the cult of the beautiful began, although this cult was created by these russian propagandists , the debunking of this cultural novel and this story, how will it affect the russian-ukrainian war, or will putin become more tougher and crueler in the war with ukraine to show that he controls everything , that is, to make again the image of some alpha male who leads everyone forward, although we saw this alpha male who fled somewhere in

in the direction of valdai or st. petersburg, there were airplanes scattered in which one of the putins was obviously in, of course what uh for putin himself - this is a huge test, but all this mosquito that has gathered around him and that is in a drum like bullets is constantly reseeding itself, and it will only strengthen in therefore, in order to pray for mr. putin and, in fact, these news reports that are currently being broadcast, which actually cast a shadow over this gang and make them into saints, please note that it is you and i who understand that what was beautiful is what was wagnerian. it was brought up at the behest of putin himself by the hands of the federal security service and so on, but this is already unknown to the russian citizen and these things they are doing now they will distort, they will lie. thus, in order to bring this whole gang up again using this material and in

this process it will not be accidental more than one act has been played with liquidation and in the end detention with remorse, this movie will continue for a long time and the fact that it will lead to an aggravation of the situation at the front and to cruelty much greater than now is manifested by the russian i have no doubts about the occupiers, because it will all be a fun negativity to be directed against whom against the civilized world against the first echelon who is standing to protect this civilized world - these are ukrainians and these are the bombings, which are now rocket shots on the civilian population, pay attention as a warning to which objects i.e. it is absolutely clear that criminals are following the path of increasing their crimes, multiplying their crimes, and this is