[000:00:00;00] this is conventionally speaking, both a reconnaissance and a strike-type operation, the specific results of the work of our unit, as well as in such a similar one. i think that every day you see various kinds of factories, and this is actually inspiring in terms of motivation. you know, ukrainian fighters have never doubted and no one doubts in the world, people in the world are rather surprised at the level of motivation shown by the fighters of the defense forces of ukraine, and what about the occupiers, especially considering that it is obvious that all those russian soldiers who are now standing on the territory are temporarily standing on the territory of ukraine, they have heard, they know, they understand that discord within their country is just beginning, that moscow almost fell to them.

the process of the disintegration of the russian federation began within the state. actually, you must understand that not all of the representatives of the russian special forces on the front line knew and probably still do not know about what happened within the state why because the russian occupation forces are depriving their structural units and fighters of the opportunity to have access to the internet and to exchange data with their relatives or sycophants and those forms from the federation but i think that at the level of commanders such an opportunity exists go to social networks in general , gather information, therefore, draw certain conclusions . i think that they did, but the disintegration of the russian federation is still far enough away, and the success of the defense forces on the battlefield will be equal to the process of disintegration, which is in

the russian federation has a bad connection and oh, the schedule is getting closer, yes, yes, we can hear you, yes, stabilized super, stabilized super , i was talking exclusively about the fact that the more and more persistent the defense force presses the enemy on the battlefield, the closer the disintegration of the russian federation itself, moreover, here it is worth noting that there are a number of countries that border the russian federation and the aggressive policy of the occupation policy of the russian federation was spread towards them during at least the last 30 years after the collapse of the soviet union and enslavement were and before that, when the soviet union was formed, i think that everyone should make a certain inventory, evaluate their forces and means , and now the moment has come when it is possible to restore historical justice, if we all strike at the same time in the russian federation , it will definitely have no chance, so there is no chance of victory it is clear that ukraine will 100%

win this war on the battlefield, but nevertheless, if others would come to their senses a little and really understand that right now, at that time, victory was faster behind your back, the flag of ukraine with coat of arms, as well as with i understand the callsigns of the fighters, so this unit of ours was brought to 102 mbr. he travels from position to position from the ksp to the ksp. he is always with us here , the reflection of all the fighters and, accordingly, there is the signature of the commander of the people, that is, mine, and this is such a certain symbol of ours which our states are always with us, our soldiers manage to maintain such calm even when they are in difficult combat positions, to maintain a rational and absolutely assessment of what is happening. may god protect you and

all of you in fact. thank you for what you do. yury fedorenko, the commander of the akhiles assault company of the 92nd brigade named after ivan sirk, was with us at the same time, we are going to our studio part of the program, it is clear that it will be switched on, but now we will introduce the guests. in cancer 2004-2005 petro chernyk with us military expert colonel of the landslide candidate of political sciences to the center welcome you mykola butchyn political scientist professor of the national university of lviv polytechnic volodymyr hirnyak i congratulate you good evening oksana yurynets is with us people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation head of the regional organization of the party udar good evening we are starting our discussion

in the studio so panchenko, the first question will be to you. took place in russia, it is obvious that they did not end like that and the information we receive every day. and today it is about this arrest , not the arrest of syrovykin on the one hand. of the taurian direction valeriya shershen, let's do our own thing. we need to think about our ukrainian victory and, first of all, think about how to drive all the occupiers from the territory of ukraine. nevertheless, the processes in russia that have already begun, what are they ? the beginning of what it was. that's how i will formulate my questions. i will state my own position on everything , the same thing happened, of course , you need to watch the enemy, as the great strategist of the chinese hunter says, the essence of the enemy is to know yourself. therefore, you need to know the enemy, in

my opinion, russia will undergo a catastrophic defeats in ukraine and their confusion is growing. at the same time, the imperial political elites of all groups of all possible varieties are not ready for the russian federation to finally undergo its fragmentation, decolonization , decolonization, and so on. and this is nothing more than a strategic probing of all these complex processes on my view is that there are two working versions that are not mutually exclusive, and the contrast between them is really in development. but at the same time, there is another very serious remark of pravda, what is really happening there, we will not know everything we say is analytical constructions, because what to protect is the real state of affairs in moscow, they are good at it. therefore, the first version is the same. putin himself provoked this bloodshed, why , to understand his enemies, to understand how the people will react to a potential rebellion and , accordingly, to carry out an absolute and complete cleanup , this version has the right for life, the second version , and its another strap-on, is absolutely not an independent figure, he did not act on his own behalf

, this is a group of people who planned something, the second version in the fsb tower is what i call this phenomenon, there is a group offices that decided to grope putin himself for as long as possible to carry out a transfer of power. so what happened was that in the dry end, there we saw the first serious real one, you can say with some fatal consequences, because somehow it sat down and all the aerial vehicles fell 20-25 years ago and of technical personnel , up to 10 people were killed there, some equipment was also burned, but the round between the kremlin tower and in the fight for potential transport or for restoring order and strengthening the route took place, this is an obvious fact, two strategic conclusions that, in my opinion, would be correct regardless of the fact that we would discuss these two working versions, the first right to use violence is only the state, no one else , no one else if some group

of people appears who with weapons in their hands start some maneuvers and have some this means that the erosion of the state has begun , and the most important conclusion is that i will insist on the fact that he has the right to make a statement. ukrainian statehood that the troops of denikin and evangelia, that the troops of muravyov, the brothy shchors, antonov ovsienko, were pathologically hostile to the young ukrainian statehood. and this is the only way to look at this problem . strategic signs to the fact that the russian federation is already on the verge of collapse , i have not yet seen whether there are such prerequisites. did this long process begin like this, but the agony

can be very long, the tsarist empire lost the russo-japanese war in 1904-5, one colossus collapsed as early as the 17th, now, as a result of the first world war , mr. buchan, what are your political conclusions about what happened , because some time has really passed, we have already seen many events even after that, we saw how putin began to go out to the people, which he did not do so actively before , today the representative of the gur told us that it is obvious that they think that this is really a copy of him, it is not the real putin, he is doing everything, but still we do not understand where prigozhyn is now and what in general what will happen with him further, we also do not understand until the end, the wagnerites themselves say that they are not on the territory of russia, but where are they politically , what does this mean for the state of the russian federation well , let me, at first, i supplemented a little somewhere , continued uh, the beehive well, uh, actually i well, my personal opinion is that after all, the second

option that the chernyk plan spoke about is more likely, because it seems to be determined and caused by the very logic of the functioning of authoritarian non-democratic states, that is, they function and are with the strong only then when they provide legitimacy and support through such, you know, tough policies and certain foreign policy successes, and actually, let's say, orientation towards the leader, when certain problems begin, as now in russia, actually on the front in ukraine, then the struggle under the rug begins, the dragging of certain resources begins, an attempt to strengthen the strength of certain groups influence, and i am still somewhere more inclined to the fact that these events that we observed a week ago are the result of probing how strong the leader is and whether he can to challenge the fact that the application is absolutely not an independent figure, it is clear that with any

development options that would take place if we talk about the consequences well, it seems to me that in any case such things are in favor of ukraine why because they will have not only domestic political, but also geopolitical consequences of influence and resonance for the russian state, well, first of all, the whole world saw very clearly that russia is not so monolithic and there are many nuances, and let's say vladimir putin controls everything, so how does he position himself, let's say this raid was brought, he was, well, let's say, how unexpected and well, so successful to a certain extent that, in fact, in half a day, this group was able to reach there well, according to some data, literally 200 km to moscow and in fact did not receive any that is, again, on the one hand, this indicates that russia has thrown almost all its resources into the war in ukraine and there is no possibility of an adequate timely response

to what is happening inside the state, that is, to adequately respond to new e.g. unexpected challenges, and on the other hand, she talks about the fact that these things really were directed and certain, as i said , by the influence of the armored personnel carrier, because i am sure that if this were not the case, the russian special services would definitely have prevented these things, but in principle we see that they turned out to be very unexpected and very suddenly, that is, if the special services really worked in unison against the russian state against its dictator, then it is obvious that there should have been nuances and it would have looked completely different, another conclusion what i from i'm doing this that such things, for example, in particular, after that there were bayda's statements on other world

leaders who say that such things indicate the beginning of russia's defeat. these events, actually, in russia, they will have, let's say, negative geopolitical consequences for russia, because they will show that russia is weak and will obviously stimulate our partners to help increase support, and it is obvious that they will to warn potential allies or neutral states against still helping putin for the simple reason that no one wants to bet on the one who loses and uh, in any case, if you sum it up like that , even with a limited effect and there with conditional victims, everything is exactly the same important resources for and an important contribution to the victory of ukraine, because if there had been no campaign of the wagners, it would still have partially led the flanks on the ukrainian front , distracting the russian power structures from the fact that, accordingly, countering

ukraine's counteroffensive would have demoralized society, this is also another one important effect that this campaign will have. because on the one hand, i am a part of society that is disappointed in vladimir putin as a leader who does not control the situation. to oppose putin, which is not his challenge, and his sudden retreat, let's say, he caused panic and even outright accusations, but we remember that as part of the so-called assault squad then she officially called the beauty a traitor to those who set them up because they came out in support of him and stayed with the ball, so i think that such things will definitely be in favor of ukraine, and in addition, it is worth adding seven detailed devices

and uh there are some very important pilots who died. i'm sure that the only thing that i'm sorry for personally, i'm sure every ukrainian is that those events lasted so short, because if they had been longer , it would definitely have been only for the benefit of ukraine , that's what he said, for example military serviceman fedorenko on our broadcast, in fact, there are many soldiers on the front lines, and now i want to ask a military serviceman this question to panas milka, in fact , a lot of soldiers of the occupiers learned about this rebellion when it was already suppressed , most likely. but if he stretched out in time for 3-4-5 days, it would be very interesting if the russian troops reacted when they understood what they had there. well, maybe not so much, because they were building their fortifications there, as they called them, but not less even if there were some even an unarmed confrontation in moscow is a problem, and we are here. what are we fighting for here? and what could have been is not so strong. there are

conflicts between the gur and the fsb, that is , they have something to defend inside the state. and they got into someone else's confrontation . the year has been going on because they are limited in the access to information on the front, so they could not react immediately, although some units have already almost joined the wagnerites and they have called and supported the defenders in this matter regarding this state of affairs actions e respectively, ignorance, and later knowledge, since it lasted for a very short time, so the russian servicemen did not have time, let's say, to even react to this, to this, to this event in an appropriate way, although some echoed some words of support from various units of units of the russian federation in the direction of prigozhin, and we are in the next

once they saw, er, they saw , let's say, the bunker grandfather escapes again to this bunker already in valdai, er, as at the beginning of the war, he was in the caucasus, this is very let's say it negatively affects their moral support, their morale , the state of the russian army, we know a lot. that's why it only brings negative consequences in the russian federation, one is in the mood in the armed forces of the russian federation. we saw how gerasimo also fled and that he was from rostov. that's what

all the rest of the leadership of the russian armed forces saw , respectively. that's how they say yes they get into a blind corner and their agony begins. viktor bishchuk appeared in the studio. and i wanted to do this before chernenko, so this question is catching up with what the bold woman is saying, and how important it is for us now to conduct this information war, the information company , proving to the soldiers of the occupiers that are located in our territory of our state that whoever invented these special operations on the territory of russia, whatever scenario the fsb implemented, putin himself is something of a navigator, but the fact remains that all their leaders are in any critical situation they will run away and save. there is only one place for them, that is, for them there is no great power of russia, for them there is their own, some small world in which they live, their money

and so on and so on, as far as it can affect the course of hostilities when the occupiers will understand that they are fighting. it is not at all known for whom i am using a very biased point of view, perhaps not very popular with us . i do not believe in the russian soldier. i do not claim to what is the truth at this moment, the first and the second channel of reporting, how do you need to have resources to be able to enter their social networks, build your bot farms very well and work on them, i will emphasize for the second time, for me , the cerebrum is bad, all kinds of things from the smallest to the highest in terms of social status, i have been doing it for years by studying their mentality, i can’t see anything there that would shake them, if shaking is possible, then precisely by such prigozhyn riots. and we understand that the elite are the only ones who

really shook russia, they were the bolsheviks, but the organizational core itself, it was directly on german money, weapons and organizational assistance , that’s the only way we see how their farms work, in particular, in our broadcast, they really come under the comments to the broadcast on the youtube channel , the great lviv speaks and there, well, they write in russian. usually they can write in ukrainian, but it is clear from their theses who is that, who is our audience, our viewers , who is watching, write a few words that you are ukrainians , that you are watching us and, uh, you are not, you know, those bots that work for disintegration and for some to find the sowing of some kind of disinformation among our population, first of all, and panchenko added that it is not possible for a legal state to have private military armies, armies can be, there can be groups, but in a right-wing state , private armies cannot be in

any form some armed groups may operate in other states, and carry out some separate tasks, but within a legal state , it cannot be private. they are financed, they create them, they gave birth to them, and after that they declare them. chile did not declare them extremist terrorist organizations , respectively . participation in hostilities and war in this war, but let's say so hesitates right now in russia, the most combat unit that has experience, that has weapons, that has appropriate

management before a bigger reply to them then there was a gynaecologist, when the people of vynychi were talking about how muscovites should be perceived, he mentioned on our broadcast that farion’s sorrel was on and she called russia eschatological evil , that is, evil that exists to do evil. this is the only way and there is no need to look for any logic , they are just for there is also a tiny historical peter who first burned his son legally to be executed legally through the script well what to talk about in quotes beautiful people that i want to continue a little bit about what was said about the wagnerites and in general about privatization of the military sector, in fact, we have to understand that such a phenomenon as the increase in the share of the private sector in the field of defense in the military field is a certain trend that is now characteristic of the whole world another question what, for example, in western countries are private military companies and they still perform slightly different functions, i.e. they

are never a tool for implementing, say , some imperial policy and so on. when we talk about the private military company wagner, we must clearly understand that it was a priori from the beginning conceived as a tool for, let's just say, those advantages when the state could not officially interfere and carry out certain things and unofficially achieve these functions and these goals, goals, and achieve these functions . look at the central african republic, the sudan series, libya, and you can name a lot of such countries, in fact, everywhere in russia had the opportunity because of the wagnerites , not officially entering the war without exposing herself to any certain negative sanctions or any other objections, she actually achieved her goals, she was on it made money. for example, if we are talking about the central african republic, there are colossal reserves

, but the diamonds that they have actually established will be built there. crazy flows of money flowed because of that and in fact, in addition , the possibility of coups there supporting the dictators of venezuela is still a vivid example, that is, it is traditional for russia , the policy of using the british as a certain tool for spreading geologists geopolitical imperial influence on the world, and in this case, you know, as they say , the boomerang effect when creating such tools often those tools can potentially become a threat to you and now we are obviously extending this at least partially boomerang effect. when the russian authorities , using and popularizing the british for a long time, eventually got one of the potential centers of influence and a potential threat, thought the awakening, said bishchuk , we will give the word after the miner from the point of view of private companies, i am ready to discuss the fact that the whole world perceives this because if we take

the democratic world as a tool for only the state can use violence. i recently read a rather interesting fact that in russia, in muscovy, at the beginning of the military invasion, there were 26 private companies, let's say the wagner company - this is a structure, in fact, a military military structure, where there are also tanks, where there are combat vehicles, where there are more than 25,000 people from the point of view of prigozhin, now it is quite an interesting discussion , today we have absolutely no doubt that the object is an independent figure, but there is one simple thing, such a thing, which is now beautiful , which was made by the private company wagner. the capture of the million-strong city of rostov and then voronezh - this is at least a month of preparation time . versions, i heard different analysts. i read it, but in my opinion it hit putin very hard , because in fact it affected the entire russian society, but the wife of an acquaintance of mine

was currently vacationing in turkey in turkey right now, in fact, there are a lot of russian muscovites, and when these events took place a day and a half ago, there was a colossal panic , that is, it affects moscow, it affects st. petersburg, because these are people who had the opportunity to go on vacation. even now , despite the fact that the economic situation in russia, therefore, at the moment , i want to draw attention to one more thing: how did it all start ? do you remember a month ago, the russian liberation army from the territory of ukraine entered the belgorod region, entered once and made a military raid captured on captured certain population points, then entered again and now, in fact, in two days, he joked very well, or maybe he wasn’t joking , the secretary of state of the united states linkin said that muscovy wanted to take kyiv in three days, but in two days moscow could actually be taken, that is, in fact, none of them did not meet, that is, rostov was captured, then voronezh, and according to some data, they stopped 200 km from moscow, what happens next, we

really do not know, and mr. chernika absolutely correctly said that we probably do not know what in fact, it happened there, but after that, on saturday morning, on live air, the moscow dictator, with a vengeance, absolutely obviously fled from russia, said that there was a coup d'état and that the beauty was a war criminal, and that he must be destroyed , and instructions were given to destroy him. and after that literally eight hours pass and who is lukashenka who is in favor of muscovy, including holding negotiations with his own, wagner is brought in and says that he is giving him asylum in belarus , no one knows what is happening in russia, so the question is the following you know, today there were opinions about the fact that and this is a correct opinion that the process of disintegration of muscovy has been launched when it will happen absolutely. it is correct because the fact is given that since muscovy lost its war and the russian -japanese war in 905, the bolshevik coup took place in 917 and after that the processes of disintegration were launched

of the russian empire, how will it happen now, let's hope that it will be faster. when it will happen, we don't know, but what should we do? you know, we have a powerful military presence in the studio before that. discussion, and i am very pleased that it looks like we are still confidently moving forward . therefore, of course, we must understand what is happening in moscow, what is happening in russia, but we must all unite to work for our common victory, this is the main thing, here are a few quotes from the minister of defense reznikov, let's go now let's see. so this is the most important thing right away. we are starting to win this war , says mr. reznikov, because we are fighting for the whole country with our partners. you have no other choice , this is survival. i think this year will be a turning point , we must do it, this is our idea, he said. to me soboron the eyes of reznikov in an interview with fox news and one more well, this is an important reaction, about the counteroffensive of the twins, when it happens, you will all see it, everyone will see it, and everything

will see it, said the minister of defense, we are now talking so hybridly, we are also talking about counterattack on about offensive operation, let's really uh, we already have this wording from official sources that uh, an offensive operation of the defense forces is taking place in our country, but we connect it all with the events in russia, hoping that what uh, uh, happened and is happening in them now will definitely weaken the russian army and help the offensive actions of the defense forces, what do you think about it, well, definitely, i feel sorry for my time and your time and the time of our viewers , that we are forced to so carefully understand the varieties of russian crap, but, to be honest, it really affects on the situation at the front, on the situation inside our country , so we have to i agree with mr. colonel pchernik that we do not know for sure what happened, since the main source of information we draw, again, from

of russian sources, this is either a statement by prigozhin himself or statements by the russian dictator putin or statements by other officials of the russian scoundrels and until the end it is like a struggle of bulldogs under the carpet, we do not know what is happening, in fact we only see the final consequences of this but again, everything is so that this does not happen e- e on the weakening of russian power on the weakening of the coordination of command relations of the administration of troops whether legal or illegal since we know