[000:00:00;00] sending rockets to another nuclear power plant before blowing up the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant before using nuclear weapons hmm i say how i feel it is possible but what it gives us it does not change our path it does not change it will not change the way to victory until we are in this war we will win, let's hope that this will not happen, let's hope that somehow it will pass, but still somehow we need to soberly assess the situation, anything can happen and at the same time despite, well, it would seem that the dire consequences of all this it can happen, all the same, we must continue to do our work for the people in the rear, and for us at the front, if honestly possible

. well, it will sound strange to us soldiers, it will be a little easier, you will even understand, because, frankly , how can i say it? i don't want my words to be distorted somehow and i don't want to choose the correct wording, but the military doesn't care if it's a dangerous bullet, or if it's an incoming hailstorm, or if it's a mine, or a nuclear warhead, and so on. all this is dangerous for the military. any events any consequences believe me no longer have any effect we are no longer most of the armies most of the armed forces were civilians before that but in fact now we have all become real military therefore we do our job and regardless of any news any consequences we we will fight, this is our main task, but for the people in the rear, of course, the most important thing is not to panic

, realizing that anything can happen, but panic will definitely be superfluous here. with little blood and without any global and tragic consequences, we were separated from the russian occupiers. this was yehor firsov, a counter-terrorism fighter, a para-medic who is currently fighting in the east of ukraine under bakhmut, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks and on youtube platform for those who are currently watching us on youtube please like our video and subscribe to our page you can also join our sponsor club youtube channel espresso now you

will see a qr-code by clicking on which you can get detailed instructions on how to join the sponsor club. in addition, today during the broadcast, we are conducting a survey on youtube , we are asking you about corruption. have you encountered corruption in military committees? yes no. please vote on our youtube page . we will see the results at the end of our program. we are on the air, a military expert, the director of yugeopoltex resort network expert, the army conversion and disarmament research center, mykhailo samus, mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you in our i congratulate you, i'm glad to see you, let's start with biden's statement, which was made 9 days ago, when he spoke to western investors to businessmen and talked about the reality of the use of tactical nuclear

weapons by the russian federation, obviously the president of the united states of america uses such statements and says about such based on data from the special services of the united states of america, solovyov in his show solovyov life talks about threats of a nuclear attack on washington, that is, develops this topic and picks up on this topic, and it is obvious that moscow is trying to maintain these expectations and constantly talks about it, let's see from the first solovyov

, then we will continue our conversation мечтают размалотить will literally grind and washington will erode the united states and let there be heads. that is, i don't give a fog a good or bad rating. now, just think about it literally there already pancakes well, and to all of us what do we have to think with our brains pancakes and we all have to think now now they are releasing in that direction and nuclear runaways are ready for such a development of events and if we imagine that this is all possible and real and as they say , we will all go to peace in the dust, we will definitely go ahead and today and today this is all could have happened literally in front of our eyes, well, it wasn't nightingale, but under the nightingale that descends, nightingale on duty, eh, p. mykhaila, how do you assess in general this constant reminder of tactical nuclear weapons that they can be

used something else. what do you think in the americans have some more accurate data about this, because we remember how biden talked for a long time about the fact that russia would go on a major offensive. and we in ukraine somehow did not quite believe it, or at least questioned his information. well, in fact, this random generator sounds that we just saw uh from this show uh , he must have meant that misunderstanding that happened recently, that is, really russia is a fail state in which there are no rules or rights, there is no order , there is absolutely no order and really after what happened on june 24. well, this generator of random sounds was absolutely right, there is a possibility that in russia, uh , anyone who has weapons, and there are a lot of such organizations in russia, no one controls them there

, by the way, there are more than 40 so-called chvk themselves and it seems that they are also financed from the state budget, as putin himself said, such an organization can easily seize any military unit or several of these military units with strategic nuclear missiles and, in principle, threaten the orient and our other western partners, that is, in in principle, what they said and biden said it is possible that there is a threat from russia. he obviously meant tactical nuclear weapons, and after june 24. well, i think that our western partners should immediately think about how, in principle, to create algorithms for the so-called occurrence-management for in order to avoid such a scenario, which developed quite successfully on june 24. when the russian fsb power machine, the roshvardiya, is the army, and so on , they showed that they do not control

the russian territory at all, and only after the fact, the same gold goes to the roshvardiya commander stated that they did not give russia. it turns out that except for russia, they would not have given the border to moscow, that is, except for moscow, it turns out that the territory of russia is not protected, and you can take nuclear weapons that are outside moscow and use them freely, that is, in fact, this situation demonstrates all the problems, it is wider than simply russian aggression against ukraine, the problem of the existence of such a state as russia , and finally our allies should think about it absolutely seriously, not to postpone for some time, not to talk about the fact that ukraine cannot become a member of nato now, i would, for example now it’s just uh, well, i would demonstrate determination and, on the contrary, uh, i would make a decision on the immediate acceptance of ukraine into nato, demonstrating that nato is ready for what will

happen now in russian, in russia, all russian territory, and the collapse of the empire will occur, and we must prepare for this today valeriy zaluzhnyi wrote in a telegram about his conversation with general mark milley of the united states of america. he said that ukraine was able to intercept the strategic initiative on the battlefield. what do you say about the first three weeks of the great counteroffensive? or counteroffensive, and i don’t know whose big one can be called in - because now varshnikov says that there will be more actions that will allow us to see the whole picture more broadly and more brightly. how do you evaluate the actions starting from the beginning of june on the eastern and southern fronts? well,

in fact, the offensive is big because that the front on which the ukrainian forces are involved and are active in the east and donetsk luhansk region and zaporizhzhia in several directions and the kherson region, that is, well, we are definitely big, intensive, now it is more , let’s say, in a hidden form if we are talking about combat reconnaissance and carrying out strikes of high-precision weapons against the infrastructure of the military infrastructure of the enemy, warehouses with ammunition, the command post of logistics, and so on, it is true that now the actions of ukrainian forces are more aimed at creating conditions for carrying out decisive deep operations, but precisely after these conditions are created, all this will be implemented in decisive operations, as it is written in doctrinal documents, if we talk about a strategic initiative, it is actually a static

initiative. i intercepted it some time ago uh, when russia was no longer able to offer anything in order to seize the aesthetic initiative themselves . we saw how russia, from about june of last year, did not oppose the efforts of the ukrainian army. and in the winter to seize the initiative by striking the ukrainian energy institute-infrastructure by carrying out the bakhmut operation, but as a result of no great offensive , they could not, er, gather forces for to carry out an offensive from belarus, about which ukraine and the world were once again scared for half a year, starting from the spring of this year , ukraine obviously has an aesthetic appreciation and initiative because ukraine proposes what kind of action in

which directions the e-e will be carried out on the field it is not russia that is deciding the battle now, but ukraine is deciding in which direction the strikes will be carried out, what type of strike will be carried out, what pace will it finally take place, at what pace will it take place, our offensive is not russia - it is up to russia to decide withdrawing can advance reserves but again without success because there are not enough reserves for all directions because the front is really very, very large and therefore i think that right now is one of the decisive moments of the war when the ukrainian army creates the conditions for not just seizing the initiative but this is already a turning point in this war, a turning point in the backbone of the russian military machine, and the transition to the offensive is already a wide front in several directions. mykhailo, you mentioned the belarusian direction and

the northern front of ukraine, literally several times. a few days ago it became known that the wagnerites are going to set up a camp on the territory of the republic of belarus, there are already satellite images published by the new york times, from which they say that there is a serious deployment of a tent city, well, obviously it will then be transformed into another the unit is according to you, the presence of such a combat unit , which hmm is very bad. the glory of thugs and people who have great experience in wars and the destruction of people, does it threaten ukraine and does it burden belarus? well, actually, i i doubt that lukashenko, as a very experienced dictator, will allow uh to create an actually uncontrolled

army in his territory , several thousand thugs, absolutely right. they were named because it will actually threaten his security, his stability, the stability of his regime. in order to implement his projects in africa. and in this way, he will be busy with his work and, as it were, his safety will be guaranteed. well, in principle, this will not be a threat to lukashenka. on the contrary, it will to bring a profile to his projects that he started to implement in africa, so i think that this is the way the situation will develop, and in this case it does not pose a danger to ukraine, since several hundred wagnerites cannot create security for ukraine, which has been preparing for a long time and is building its military infrastructure in this direction intensively and qualitatively prepares

its personnel to repulse an attack, let me remind you that the armed forces of ukraine in this direction were preparing, for example, in winter to repulse a-a several tens of thousands of russian troops who could have appeared there, because such information was considered one of the options for the development of events. russia could, after holding an additional round of mobilization, concentrate forces in belarus of several tens of thousands of russian troops plus belarusian troops and try to attack not only the capital but also the western regions of ukraine in several directions. i think that the ukrainian army, first of all, is ready for any development of events in this direction, and the wagnerites will not simply not allow them to create some camps there with uh, 8,000 people were called there. well, i think that this will threaten

lukashenko personally, under certain conditions, it is quite important and relevant that the military, who work with those who are drafted into the army, mobilize, and it is the responsibility of those who manage the military commissars or, as they are now , these territorial recruitment centers , because the prosecutor's office has already announced that it has begun an investigation of yevhen borisov, who was dismissed from his post by the odesa military regarding the possible illegal enrichment of evasion of military service and exceeding official powers my colleagues from ukrainian pravda filmed a film about the battalion spain where they speak about the fact that the odesa army bought real estate for uah 196 million, although the family's official joint income does not cover these expenses, and now the investigation is starting , more than 30 witnesses have already been questioned, 11 searches have been conducted, 17 inspections and temporary access have been sent

, more than 100 requests have been sent to the state authorities , the enterprise, the institution a complete check is therefore the situation that has developed with the odesa army, and apparently it is probably not the only one in ukraine, taking into account the fact that we know that thousands of e-e mobilized, well, roughly speaking, were cut off from the army from the draft and er, they made themselves white tickets there and people are outraged by this because people who are on the front lines and people who are in ukraine , they are outraged by what happens to these centers in general, according to your opinion, in what way can this corruption be overcome, the first and the second

are there any questions for those bodies that should check and record such things? well, journalists are not supposed to travel around the world and look for the real estate of the same odesa military, well, journalists too, after all , journalists are one of the tools of control and thank god he works in ukraine in general, the situation is absolutely unacceptable, this is a situation that destroys not only the middle of ukraine, because it is a blow to the morale, a blow to the motivation of ukrainians in our soldiers. it also destroys our euro-atlantic hopes because we are talking about what kind of disappointments we will have after, for example, there will be no freedom of promises to us or we will be invited to join nato, but believe me, our partners are very carefully celebrating such situations and draw appropriate conclusions as to whether ukraine can become

a member of nato if we have such a situation during a war during a full-scale war when the whole world is helping us and in fact , each, each center, roughly speaking, each uh , machine gun they are not taken from the sky for these for these for these weapons for any, for every euro dollar , the tax payer and taxes are paid to a specific nato country and not only in the rammstein format , 50 countries participate. i think that this situation needs to be radically to decide and ways such exist. well, first of all, it is still the creation of digital databases that would allow easier control of the circulation of documents in military commissariats. i am not talking about digital summonses . i am talking about a digital database of citizens of ukraine who are subject to mobilization or

not subject to mobilization. that is, these are closed databases they are secret, but the relevant authorities could more easily check why this or that person is in this or that status, this would create other languages ​​and my understanding. for example , ukraine has experience in creating new structures which were not built on the basis of sovka, because i believe that no matter how we rename the military commissars, if it was a military commander during the soviet union, he was a military commander , and the same spirit of these folders will remain there , they, uh, in some magical way those approaches that were preserved during the soviet union during the stagnation of perestroika and then the not-so-good times for the ukrainian army that were until the 14th year, that is, all this is preserved as it is transmitted at the genetic level, perhaps it is worth

creating these centers from scratch since for example, we had patrol police, including the involvement of our partners, so that completely new structures were created, which would be built on the latest approaches to how to organize e-e accounting, e-e regulation and so on, all this can be done, in principle , quickly, now everything it is quite simply done in electronic form and so on . it seems to me that this includes er belonging to sovka and she keeps these er shortcomings that have been haunting us for more than 30 years, we spend parallel with our broadcast poll on youtube, we ask our viewers if they have encountered corruption in the military committees, 54% of respondents said so at the moment, 46 percent said so friends you are watching us

live now, you can also vote on youtube , your opinion is very important to us in order for our poll to be representative so that we understand that these percentages are from a large number of people, we could say that they are more or less true, another event that happened today is the announcement of the liquidation of ukroboronprom of the state concern, which worked, if i am not mistaken, even during yanukovych's time, instead, a joint-stock company ukrainian defense industry was formed

, which was headed by 31-year-old herman smetani, before that, yury gusev headed koroboronprom e.e. suddenly husiv became the not-so-good head of ukroboronprom, and in general, everyone suddenly realized that ukroboronprom should be reorganized according to yours, what did we lose by not reforming it in time of a state-owned enterprise, well, look, in fact, it was not necessary to reform here, but in 2014 it was necessary to liquidate it immediately, i will remind you simply of ukroboronprom. exclusively in order to control money flows for arms exports and in fact this structure was created during yanukovych's time to implement corruption schemes. unfortunately, in the 14th year, when it could be done very quickly i.e. to carry out the reform of the state-owned

industry, i will remind you that until now the lion's share, even the lion's share there , is close to 100%. they are state-owned in various forms. there are even state-owned enterprises that are 100% state-owned and their various percentages are state-owned, but in fact the situation is simple. i will not repeat them now, but the problem is that the reformation of ukroboronprom began only in the 20th year, when he came zelenskyi's presentation was finally resolved, the issue of the beginning of the reform was finally resolved, a huge amount of work was done in order not to carry out, let's say, the liquidation of enterprises, an audit was conducted, a model was formed based on

the modern principles of the activities of e-e state-owned enterprises and joint-stock enterprises, i.e., their transfer into joint-stock enterprises instead of state-owned ones, why joint-stock enterprises, because in this format of state-owned enterprises it was impossible to actually create a joint venture with foreign partners it was not possible to attract investments, it was not possible to carry out a transfer. that is, it was a dead structure that tried to implement something with the state budget funds, and in some areas where there were enthusiasts, they did not, thanks to contrary to this situation, produce something , and the ukrainian opaka broke through at the time of the beginning large-scale aggression still has its gains and this is very good, although in fact 50 more than 50% of the products of the ukrainian pc , even until february 24, 2020, were already produced

by private enterprises and state enterprises after all, they bent and rotted more than they produced e-e products . only now has this process reached its logical conclusion, that is, today a joint-stock company has already been created, and from this moment a new era of reforming the ukrainian defense industry can be opened, by the way, this is the name of the new joint-stock company ukrainian defense the industry of ukraine , the defense industry, and i hope that it is under such conditions that an era opens and the creation of joint ventures and the attraction of investments , technology transfer, and so on, that is, that what we need now, we have a lot of directions of new directions of cooperation with our western partners in the tank and armored sector and in the missile and in the case of electronics and e-e in the aviation and helicopter sphere and so on, that is, all this can be done, but the previous structure of the ukroboronprom which was created

by yanukovych, it did not give the opportunity to implement it now the situation i hope i hope will radically change, and the change is that putin will finally see the military-industrial complex of ukraine because he constantly repeats that there is nothing left. only western weapons, only western weapons, that is, how quickly can we catch up, if possible briefly. i think that everything will start with those repair and production hubs that are created on the territory of partner states , that is, in poland and in the czech republic, there are other countries and other plans regarding the joint work of the ukrainian defense industry and our partners, and so on. well, of course, after the victory or when sufficient conditions will be created for closing the sky, that is, creating a-a dense anti-missile countermeasures defense, it will be possible to implement joint projects more actively, including on the territory of ukraine now. of course, if some

successful enterprises are created on the territory of ukraine , of course they will become the primary goals for the russians and the russian aviation, so i think that now we still need to focus on the creation of such hubs and enterprises outside of ukraine well, let's hope that the enterprises that will produce drones and many, many of those technologies that are now becoming relevant and the current war are demonstrated that it is possible and russia, among other things, understands that it is necessary to build factories for the production of drones and for the production of some new electronic equipment and new weapons.

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