[000:00:00;00] friends , i will put a full stop . the consequences on the air of bbc ukraine in the studio olga polamanyuk almost a month after the disaster at the kakhovsky hpp , the ministry of economy calculated that the tragedy caused losses of at least two billion dollars ecology, environment and agriculture

energy is an incomplete list of industries that have suffered from the tragedy in the southern regions so far. the situation with drinking water is difficult, experts predict that it will be like this for several more months, almost a month after the disaster at the kakhovsky dam , the largest man-made and ecological tragedy, experts say that the landfill, warehouses with fertilizers and chemicals were in the flooding zone and also the cemetery and sewers. the main problem of the region is the lack of drinking water. it is brought from neighboring regions. according to various estimates, the residents of the kherson region the private water will have to live from three months to six months and all this under constant fire from the russian army. bbc correspondent andrew harding returned from the south of ukraine and this is what he saw there: a boat abandoned not

on the side of the road, surrounded by countless puddles and in places even more than puddles, but the most terrible flood in kherson in a front-line city that is shelled daily by russian artillery , already behind this building, someone made a mark where exactly the water level was, and here on the garage door there are lines along which you can see how the water slowly receded from this area everywhere there is chaos here, don't you know, retired teachers iryna and yevhen are clearing garbage from their flooded house, they are already used to it, that you live in any conditions on the sly, we have survived so many troubles of shelling, i would be immune to this, the rescuers

who clean up the consequences of the flood hear the sounds of russian artillery and immediately begins to seek shelter. however, many civilians refuse to leave their homes. their resilience and resistance seem to have only increased since the events of june 6. it was a day when a russian sabotage group is suspected to have blown up the kakhovka dam, releasing millions of tons of water downstream, but what is happening above the dam, the reservoir contained 18 cubic kilometers of water, to better understand, try to imagine one giant pool the size of two and a half kyiv and suddenly all this water disappeared under the influence this on the local environment and

people is catastrophic in all the nearest cities the water ran out and a million people suddenly became dependent on imported aid that they give how is it your way when you walk like a donkey and you carry water, life is still terrible here, many local men have gone to fight with the russians, but ivan and his uncle and ivan still have to cultivate the fields in normal words , we can’t just say it ’s necessary. worries on the other side of the empty reservoir russian troops control europe's largest nuclear power plant and now

the threat from there seems more real than ever what will happen to her another worry in this dirty unpredictable war the swedish eco-activist retatumberg arrived in kyiv the day before, met with president zelenskyi, thunberg is a member of the international working group on the environmental consequences of the war in ukraine, although some users of social networks reacted skeptically to the arrival of the eco-activist, it is worth remembering that thunberg is counted and respected and supported in the world as experts say, support for ukraine is a good counterbalance to russian propaganda that is actively working in europe, it is also worth adding that the girl directly names russia the culprit of ecocide in ukraine most of all about the consequences of the disaster of the kakhovskaya hpp dam, let's talk with the biologist, director of the national antarctic

science center, yevgeny dyk, yevgeny. i congratulate you. a few minutes ago, we saw a story by a bbc correspondent from the kherson region, who painted a rather complex picture of what is happening in the south of ukraine. we have already seen it. all the consequences of the disaster. is this just the beginning, as you think? this is only the beginning, by and large, so far we have seen the consequences of the fact that a lot of water for a while went to places where it was not before that is, there were the consequences of this artificial flood. and now we are just starting to actually not even feel it yet, but mostly only for now. imagine the consequences of the lack of water that was previously contained in the reservoir. and with these consequences, we have to live longer and have more problems. they create much more problems about one of the consequences, yes. my colleagues from the bbc of ukraine researched this topic. and here they received

the results of a water test not only in the dnipro, in the black sea, specialists there found toxic chemicals , toxic metals, but this is for a long time. the sea consists of two parts, the first is simply uh, a very large amount of dead biomass, first of all, there are dead livestock , dead animals, uh, and here, in the same category, washes from the fields of uh, various fertilizers go, this is the organic matter that which will create problems this summer, but will be digested, you can say, by the black sea ecosystem in less than a year, somewhere until next spring, and the other category is stable organic substances, primarily toxic chemicals such as herbicides and pesticides if used to poison fields and heavy metals and others let's say inorganic for any reason, they can

now remain in the black sea ecosystem for decades, if not centuries, and they also have the property of accumulating along the food chain, that is, the driver may not be so many of them, but already in algae there is more a in shrimps are so rare that it will be possible to get poisoned, well, measles, in fact, we have not reached the quantitative estimates yet, at the moment many laboratories are working on not just establishing the fact of contamination , but giving the exact amount and quantitative assessment how many things got there, but in general it is clear that the picture is very unpleasant. well, this applies only to ukraine, or are there also neighboring countries that will feel the consequences, after all , the common sea, the black sea resorts of bulgaria , turkey, should they worry, they will not feel it, they have already felt it, it is already in the press from there was a message about that quite a long time ago. by the way, what appeared about at least three dead cows that were washed up on the beaches of bulgaria. well, you understand that even if such

large objects were brought there by sea, then as far as soluble pollutants are concerned, of course they are all there too. well, the road to bulgaria goes through romania . that is to say, everything is already there, moreover, literally the other day , my turkish colleagues informed me that several sea mines had landed on their coast , that is, several sea mines that were clearly taken from ours as well. part of the water area of ​​the black sea, and yet they did not swim so far before, this is also a consequence of this flood , uh, the additional amount of water that carried these dangerous objects so far away from us yevgeny, and what to do in such a case as it is possible to help the ecosystem recover. i'm afraid that here we will have to, but as far as the sea is concerned, we will only have to rely on its ability to self-clean and , if possible, simply try to prevent anything else from getting there, some methods of artificial cleaning, well, except for the changes, we can still

fight, but unfortunately, the driver will have to live with what the driver has already expanded, and the other story is the tovsk reservoir, actually with this area, which was a water area a couple of weeks ago. to rely on the fact that nature will do everything itself. well, here you will need engineering solutions that are well thought out and hardly , hardly, the optimal solution is to simply restore the reservoir as it was, most likely , you will have to look for other options, in particular with partial reclamation of these of land with the reduction of the volume of the future reservoir well , and so on, this is a big difficult task, on which experts are already starting to work , that is , do i understand the meaning of the restoration of the dam correctly? exactly in the soviet form that it was and flood this entire territory again. it seems to me that this is not an optimal decision, but

in fact the decision must be made after a deeper analysis, now i can say let's say our impression and here we need an impression and a very detailed work of a large expert group with all the advantages and the disadvantages are obviously that there is no good solution here, we will have to choose from several bad solutions in any case, we will have to calculate which of them is the least evil, and many people are currently discussing the arrival of greta tumberg on social networks. and what is your opinion about how much she was able to draw attention to the problems with her arrival? well, everyone needs help and support in a timely manner, and there is, let's say, a fairly noticeable part of western societies who hear greta and very good. in that case, they hear her very well . she is voicing the right messages, the right things, by the way, she directly says who blew up the dam

, so uh, even in your report , the word "probably blew up the russians" greta says no right so we thank her for that and she is in one. unfortunately, the right reaction of the world to this dam blow-up was extremely small , and now it encourages the russians to a possible terrorist attack on the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, they saw what they were getting away with, and i thank you thank you for the conversation, the director of the national antarctic science center , biologist yevhen dykiy, was on our air and the consequences of the tragedy at the kakhov dam are still being felt in other regions of the south. my colleague victoria shugan went to the mykolaiv oblast in the region where the drinking water situation is critical, she asked how people live there, how do they cope with environmental challenges after the destruction of the kakhov dam, the water rose even here in the southern bug river in mykolaiv, now everything looks normal, but we know that the real

problems remain on another river, ingulets in the mykolaiv oblast, then ingulets collected a lot of dnieper water, which moved in a reverse flow and so far, the villages are still suffering from the consequences of the flood, what is the situation there now ? residents cannot use water from wells or boreholes as drinking water, we were shown in small wells. in yards or in wells, cars on the bank of the ingulka in the snowdrift that they are still filled with this water from the flood, it is so zelenka to you, cloudy with some divorces , really a sharp smell. i have not heard it before but people say that at the very beginning the smell was such that they had never heard it was some kind of swamp and they still continue to pump this water from their wells or wells every day and it comes and comes and that

in this water we can only approximately realize so far when, for example, we find a large dead fish in the middle of a clearing already in a field on the bank of an ingulets. and i also saw smaller fish in various places, a lot of plastic, other garbage, something that has already rotted and appeared here, it is not known where the composition of this water comes from and when it will be available to drink this is an open question even for local specialists, they take water samples and send them here to mykolaiv to the laboratory, but for example in the people of snyuriv yesterday we saw how samples were taken from the well for the first time because we first got access to it after flooding and here in mykolaiv they know very well what it's like to lose their own drinking water, because the city still hasn't recovered after russia at the beginning of the invasion cut off the only water pipe that brought water from the dnipro to the city, but in the villages we are told that now it is from mykolaiv that they are getting very

a lot of humanitarian workers, a lot of bottled water and in every way helping to survive this crisis and that's all for today, look for more stories on our website bbc.ua and as always on our pages in social networks and we will be on the air again on monday at 21:00 take care congratulations, friends, we continue the broadcast of the espresso tv channel mykola veresen vitaly portnikov last week during our broadcast, rostov was captured. if tula is captured now , mykola was preparing to comment on it so that please capture tulus directly , comment, dear militants, think about that one, but

yaroslav still novosibirsk novosibirsk not for far far from cold russia sibirsk just new yes that is siberia and also new this is something altogether terrible siberian equipment in moscow you will go to comment on this like to work there, you know everyone, so why do you go to moscow? and i'm in kalush. well, we knew that with serhiy hravsky, a risk expert who participated in peacekeeping positions and a reserve colonel, we will now talk about what is happening after this institution of the wagnerites, what is happening in the in connection with the offensive of the armed forces, please p sergey, mr. sergey, but the question is very possible here, the eastern group says that there are up to 50,000 occupiers in the direction of bakhmut, and i sit and wonder if it is a lot or a little, what does it mean that they came there, there were 10,000 of them and it became 50 or vice versa there were 100,000 of them, but they became 50, what, that's a lot, we have to tremble

with well, i have a porter, the man is strong , he won't tremble, i won't tremble, but why should we be nervous or, on the contrary, be happy that there were a lot of them , it became less than 50,000 that's how much for the ukrainian army, 50,000 is the army corps by and large, and you know here the explanation of how they please me as a military person. well, if you speak more like this, hmm, in a civilian language , then of course it's a lot, it's a lot because it has to be understood from a military point of view if we look at the whole picture of the current battles the 50,000 who are gaining positions in the area of ​​eh bahmut is a lot . and this is very good for us, because in fact we are carrying out the task of offensive operations, forcing the enemy to keep a sufficient number of troops in this direction and giving him the opportunity to move to redeploy those

troops to other directions that are more important for our offensive, and we are talking about the southern direction. direction despite the frantic pressure from the defense forces of ukraine and it is very good that 50,000 of our enemies continue to hold or try to gain positions precisely in bahmut , being under the frantic pressure of our e-e offensive units a-a how big is it e-e a large number or a small number. well, it must be understood that the total number of troops operating against us amounts to approximately 400,000 occupiers, that is, in fact, we are dealing with one eighth of those occupiers who receive in bahmut, but consider the fact that the zone bakhmuti battles are literally a 20-30 km zone and there is a lot of enemy there, they have tight battle formations, which also allows us to fight them quite effectively

and why we actually do it. in this way , the enemy fulfills our tasks and this can be confirmed in this way, it is possible to confirm the words of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine that ukraine seized the strategic initiative both in the eastern and in the southern directions, which is actually happening now in the battles both in the east and in the south. and one more thing surroundings p. sergiu so when you talk about density because i'm not a military man. and i don't understand this, but i have the impression that when 50,000 stand on a small, small section of the front, well, that's a lot, that's bad for the russians. that is, when you stand like that and on the left , something already and the fact is, first of all, you have a lot of people, you are easy to shoot at, and secondly, it is inconvenient for you, well, if it seems to me that it is not very convenient to keep 50,000 places in a narrow area, it

does not help either, let's say maybe it helps in defense well, it's simple explain, you say a small area and many people, you know and yes and no and yes, nothing is a plus here of course there are certain operational indicators according to which a certain number of troops should be on the front line, but it is the pressure from different directions that we are now forcing the clock to keep, well, actually inactive, er, such a large number of troops, that is, a small part of them is fighting, and the rest cannot be transferred to other directions, because they do not know from which side we will continue these offensive operations. and this is called tying up the enemy well, you know, it’s not a traditional war in the 17th -18th century, when artillery was fired at the boxes of troops, muskets were fired, there is also such a concept as operational filling of the territory, placement, and so on and

many similar military terms. but if we speak in simple language, it looks like a small number of these troops are fighting. they have the possibility of constant rotation, causing serious losses. and this also weakens their combat potential, because, you know, you can have 1,000 soldiers, and this 1,000 soldiers is for example, one brigade. and if this thousand fighters make up 3-5 brigades there, then this already speaks of a low level of ability and ability to conduct combat operations . this is approximately the situation, and why do we observe such an interesting option when the enemy forms so-called improvised units and throws and in battle, and precisely with these connected such a large number of troops. that is, it is not an economical, irrational use of human resources, in general , combat resources that are there, but the enemy has nothing left, he is forced to act in such and such a context, sir

serhii, look at one more thing about the war, what i understood and what you said now, so carefully, too. i just want to understand whether i understood you correctly. and in general, the experts that the ukrainian offensive is going in such a way , that is, like what i see on the map and what experts comment, they say, as i understand it, they say that there is an intervention in the enemy’s defense and then what kind of excision , in fact, when they force the enemy to retreat under the threat of the environment, if not, not a frontal strike, not not a frontal one, and such a cunning, such, such, what i see that's it cutting well, that's how i translate it. maybe it's in a language i understand from the military. maybe it's called differently, but what i see is exactly that , gradual from many in many directions

, such, such, scissors that simply cut, and roughly somewhere, somewhere, that's how it is. in principle, you carried out the plan in which we carry out an offensive on wide areas of the front, where success is planned, we are able, by maneuvering , to concentrate a sufficient number of troops in order to push the enemy's defense in this direction and create a real threat to his encirclement and destruction, e.e., the enemy understood that he could not hold these positions and is trying to get out of this encirclement by walking entire sections of the front, or as you say , cutting out certain directions, certain sections of the front, this is such a very careful action, but we have another option no, because, unlike a classic offensive operation, we do not have a three-fold advantage over the enemy. we do not have an unconditional superiority in the air, we have a certain parity in artillery means, and now we

are trying to avoid the advantage of the enemy is precisely in artillery means, that is, you know, there is such a combined game when it comes to counter-battery combat and with the so-called impregnation, washing out the enemy's position in order to force him to retreat or surrender . thus, yes, these are the tasks of our offensive operation - the operation of this very stage, and that is why we are taking such very careful actions , trying to save as much as possible of our prepared reserves for further offensive actions. and tell mr. serhiy did you read the interview about valery zaluzhny in the washington post, it's today's, you know, it's interesting, it's an interesting situation that this morning i'm talking to journalists , in fact, he repeated the same thing that zalozhny said, so it coincided, i was actually surprised because he told the absolute truth, which obvious to any military officer well, please explain to us what is the most important

thing, then you mean the most important thing, the most important thing he said and this well, this is actually and we are saying that war is not some kind of spectacle or there is a tv series that you can follow to observe submissively and it is not something static that we once betrayed them, there is no need to give anything more and you can force the military to attack well, as desired , for example, by some outside spectators, in addition , it is necessary to understand that war is a war this what is happening today in ukraine is a war it doesn't look like anything, and that's why all the assessments, let's say yes, of a certain staff of observers or experts, they, to put it mildly, do not correspond to the reality of what is happening now on the front line. this war is not a classic war, i actually literally a couple of minutes ago said that we do not have a classic

advantage over the enemy leading an offensive action we do not have an advantage in the air and uh we are forced to act in non-standard methods in order to achieve a certain advantage it means that uh we have to be very careful to use armored vehicles because well do you know such a concept as coordination of interaction, exactly why? we are asked why it is not used. yes it is necessary to understand that the war of today is a war of resources and the lack of one type of resources, as general zaluzhny said , the lack of 10,100,000 shells determines the additional death of thousands of our soldiers, because we will be forced to solve the tasks of the battle by other methods, namely, by storming the enemy's position, is there not enough fire cover, absolutely look a-a, in addition to the other

thing, the gentleman who made the west of russia yes prigozhyn somehow scared everyone. he has some 5,000. well , 10. well, let's even take 15 at best. but ukraine reacted poland reacted lithuania reacted latvia and i sit and think well, is this such a huge danger for all eastern european countries to be afraid of? that 5-10 thousand soldiers of some kind will appear on the territory of belarus? to be nervous, you know, i literally said a couple of days ago well, in my environment, this is exactly the question, and we did such uh test questions and answers and developed options for uh further action and you know here uh, such nervousness makes sense and that's why what for

for us for ukraine, the strengthening of the so-called subversive activity on the southern borders makes a certain sense because this subversive activity will involve people or wagner units who have combat experience and are experienced soldiers. let's be honest guys who stand on on the northern borders , they do not all have sufficient combat experience. we need something like this easier because we understand that the enemy will not be able to cause us serious damage because we have been at war for a long time for the 10th year . it happened that by carefully observing belarus, we notice a certain increase

in the so-called threat of a migrant crisis , that is, another wave of migrants. poland, the baltic countries, the baltic countries, uh, they will not pose a big threat , let's not forget that in poland , there were already uh, attempts to carry out terrorist acts in poland in the fall, that a few years ago, uh, we noted such activity, and who knows how he will react. the polish authorities are responsible for all these incidents if they do not take certain measures. the situation is the same for the baltic countries and it is necessary to understand that these countries objectively did not fight, you understand. people there still live according to the parameters of peacetime and therefore for them. this threat is more and it doesn't matter how many wagnerians are there, it will be 100-200,500 and a hundred wagnerians can cause trouble for such countries as lithuania, latvia or estonia and a hundred wagnerians can pose a threat

to such and such a country like poland, the more we can realize and understand this threat that they pose in that number for the american troops who are on the territory of these countries. that is, the threat is obvious, and it is such that it cannot be neglected in any way, and it is not about the number of wagnerites, it is about the quality of these wagnerites and, believe me, for countries that are not at war they pose a very serious threat, as i said. thank you very much serhii rabskyi, a military expert, a participant in peacekeeping missions , a reserve colonel of the armed forces of ukraine was with us . and now a people's deputy of ukraine, the head of the committee on the integration of ukraine into the eu , ivanna klympush-tensadze is with us . "listen, i want to ask you right away, tell me who and what i'm talking about, about money. you are constantly in europe. as far as i understand, you talk to diplomats and