[000:00:00;00] in poland, all the more, we can realize and understand this threat that they pose , including to the american troops that are on the territory of these countries. that is, this threat is obvious, and it is such that it cannot be neglected in any way, and it is not about the number of wagners of these where is this actually about the quality of these wagnerites and believe me for the countries that do not fight, they pose a very serious threat as i said thank you very much serhii grabsky military expert member of the peacekeeping commissions colonel of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine was with us and now the people mp of ukraine, head of the committee on the integration of ukraine into the eu, ivanna klympush-tensadze is with us. i hope we will see her now. good health . listen, i want to ask you right away. let me know who i am talking about . about money. you are constantly in europe. as far as i understand, you are talking to diplomats and

deputies of various of parliaments with ministers, there is already some algorithm for ukrainians to receive russian money that is preserved in europe. there is some kind of road indication where to go and how to do it, because no one has canceled the sanctity of private property rights these legal processes are constantly going back and forth, there are a lot of questions, it is possible that there is some progress on this financial front, well, it is not only about the ownership of private property, and it is also about the immunity of ukraine in relation to the country's funds, and this in particular concerns for the arrested and frozen a-a reserves of the central bank of the russian federation a-a which are a serious asset that could certainly significantly

help ukraine . well, all our needs are it would also partially help us to rebuild the country after the end of this war, but at the moment there is no decision on how to freeze assets and turn them into confiscated assets and transfer them to ukraine at the european union level at the moment , as far as it is clear today the european union has finally found a formula that can help at least use the interest accrued on these frozen assets of the central bank of the russian federation and transfer them to ukraine. this is already a step forward as far as

let's say private assets, some individual countries and, for example, canada, have already decided that they will confiscate the private assets of russian oligarchs, and which they have frozen and will transfer them to ukraine, because that's why i think the ice is over with canada's decision , but definitely unfortunately for this one. at this stage, we do not have a decision regarding much wider assets , both private and sovereign, let's say assets of the state of the russian federation, on a par with the wider ones in the countries of the free world. madam, i have another question. president zelenskyi said that there are all the grounds for a political invitation of ukraine to nato, and i don't quite understand, that is, does it mean that ukraine can receive an invitation or does it insist on being invited not to the military structure of nato, but to

the political structure of nato? did i understand correctly? and is this is this the correct position of ukraine because ukraine is not giving anything well, okay, we will be in the political this is my understanding that during the times where the goal is exactly where the goal left the military part of nato and remained in the political part and now ukraine wants to enter he doesn't want to go into the political one because you understand that they won't let the military unit in, do i understand correctly and how profitable is it here that ukraine gains from it, then we can discuss with you about who understands what...my understanding of the situation is a little different , after all, i i do not see that today the alliance is ready to approve , let's say, the part of the invitation regarding the partial membership of ukraine in the north atlantic alliance. my understanding of the situation is that today there is a discussion about

making a decision at the vilnius summit that will give ukraine a clear signal that ukraine will have its own , let's say, path to membership in the north atlantic alliance , more and more countries are expressing themselves in favor of the readiness to abandon the action plan regarding membership in the alliance as it was foreseen by the decision of the bucharest summit in 2008, and it is likely that some such formula will be agreed upon by july 11-12, when it will be held instead of the summit in vilnius. in fact, the discussions continue at the moment and the formulas at the moment there is not yet, so i wouldn’t talk exactly about er, well, partial membership in the alliance, i would talk about what might be about

the formula for the next steps, er, or ukraine’s path to membership in the alliance, er, and well, at least some certain such expensive decree that could have been determined already in vilnius correctly. i understand that this means that the greatest achievement of vilnius for the ukrainian side would be that it was simply written down somewhere, not said, but already written down, that after the end of the war the door will be open, not just open, but there will also be the red carpet and the words welcome, as far as i understand correctly well, almost yes, approximately a-a approximately it would be perfect there, er , an ideal story for ukraine, but you and i understand what er, next er, well, this decision at the moment er-

it was not approved, we will understand that during this time we managed to achieve certain changes in the fact that well, let's say this, the overwhelming majority - these are the countries of the alliance, are ready to discuss how to take a step further from er. it already positive, but it is important for us to understand how far and how many steps further to ukraine's membership in the alliance this community will be ready to take already in vilnius, and again, i would not define vilnius, and we should also understand this. i would not define vilnius what about the final point regarding ukraine's membership in the alliance and the impossibility of changing anything after independence and not even having to wait for washington's decision, that's exactly what our future

membership in the alliance involves systematic and long-term work. and you know when i oh just oh now i look at all these discussions and remember the discussions in 2019, when we insisted with our colleagues from the european solidarity party that the government already in the 19th year should have submitted an application for the summit in london at the end of the 19th year about membership i remember very well how the then vice prime minister today, the minister of foreign affairs said , well, he expressed himself so harshly in the press and talked about the fact that he said that there was no need to apply for membership of the voluntary union and he said that we are going as a party someone is confused for some reason two years after that, well, after these statements, or three years after these statements, in september 2022, ukraine did apply to become a member of its options. so, we were more right in the 19th, so i’m sorry for those years that

we lost and now well, we can certainly understand later why we lost them and who did what wrong. but today, of course, all our efforts at all levels should be aimed at achieving progress and understanding that the door is really open, not just abstractly. so a the door is open with a clear understanding of the plan, how and when ukraine will be a member of the alliance, under what conditions, i would like us to simultaneously with this definition and with this . at the same time, they determined for themselves and what exactly should we do in order to be mutually compatible with the countries of the alliance not only from the point of view of using e-e weapons according to the standards of the alliance, but also from the point

of view of the rule of law and control over the security and defense of the state and parliamentary control over the executive power of the balance of power so that we can count on the fact that no political reservations will ever be able to stand in the way of our membership in the avaldians in the future, see ms. ivano, and what to do with skeptics, here i am the best option for you. an impossible option , the president will come as he said that european leaders have the power to make the right decision and he can or can yes and everything is fine but there are skeptics in different ways, we know about the main skeptic is hungary, but on various ukrainian issues, sometimes malta can say something, sometimes cyprus can say something, so what to do with these skeptics who

can just walk around? yes, there are, relatively speaking, 25 countries or about nato and about nato and about the eu. i have the impression that you have to wait for her on this road and on this road there are some mini-fields that can appear there and i'm just looking at what happens that some trifle was said by one another, well, hungarians, it's a big deal, a headache, a headache, but what do you say to such a discussion all the same, it will be democratic, as if countries, they will discuss among themselves within their country, they will have elections, they will look at the voter, the voter may be such or such a shorter, difficult path, and along the european and ponativ e-e, this road is a road a-a look really it is obvious that for us both this and that path will involve both systematic work

within the country and, in some places, rather complex bilateral negotiations with this or that country in order to overcome these or other differences, but each individual case is e will differ from others because somewhere e-e some things will be impossible to solve on a bilateral level and we will apply there to european structures there to the european commission or there to e-e well let's say the headquarters of the north atlantic alliance in order to decide some contradictions between these or other countries, as we see now , for example, the efforts of the headquarters and the general secretary of the north atlantic alliance, for example, in order to gather the members of the alliance in another country and gather turkey and sweden separately in order to try again and again to solve those misunderstandings or different

approaches that these countries have in order to unlock the final membership of sweden in the north atlantic alliance or you and i will understand that, unfortunately, some of the things that today are even being actively talked about by the prime minister of hungary, arguing their reservations about one or another support for ukraine, they cannot be resolved on a bilateral level between ukraine and hungary , because we understand what they actually refer to that hungary wants to hold ukraine hostage and at the same time is ready to unblock any processes regarding ukraine only for those funds that it can get from the european union and from which it has been deprived at the moment due to its abuses inside the country and violations of the law e the rule of law e-e the principles of democracy and other things that are incompatible with membership in the european union therefore in each individual

case e-e it will hmm a separate additional effort that will involve training and a team that will work on it and a professional approach to solving this or that problem, and at the moment if we are just talking in general about skeptics or expansion skeptics or skeptics who act in this way and are looking for a reason why not to promise ukraine membership in the alliance and not define the formula for ukraine's membership in the alliance, due to the fact that they continue to be guided by the russian fear of the actions of the russian federation in the future, we have to look for arguments that will help us explain both the society of individual countries and individual politicians why this is their personal e

national interest and why it is in their interests to have ukraine inside and nato and not to have ukraine in the entire zone because it will be economically more profitable for any country, if you will, because they will not have to collect every few tens of years or every few years additional funds in order to protect ukraine from the attacks of this monster of the russian federation. we must all defeat him together and unite together so that a country that understands the language of strength and the language of unity finally stops its appetites regarding the attacks on its neighbors and the change of the geopolitical system, at the level of not only europe, but the inequality of the world. and you are not surprised that the united states is the main one for you right now. i would say a barrier on the surface of any such a council of decisions from the side of the north atlantic union is not hungary, but the truth no, not hungary and not only the united states , we also understand this with you and that today a-ah

the final decisions have not been made and neither in the united states nor in germany and it is important eh in particular with these two capitals to work as actively as possible for that a-ah in order to change their approach, so in 2008 the united states was the crook who tried to give a clearer perspective in ukraine and georgia. certain caveats i think that here we see not only caveats from the point of view of well, let's say understanding of today's situation and we also see caveats from the point of view of those different groups within the government of

america and in germany, what do they see there? in a different way, the development of the situation in the future and the future of the russian federation a-a i think that our experience in recent years suggests that even impossible things can seem possible everyday and in order to be able to count on er not only survival and development thank you drawings klympush-sensadze, the people of ukraine, the head of the committee on the integration of ukraine into the european union, we will have it later, that is, not later, but right now, advertising for a couple of minutes, then it will be yury felchynskyi, a doctor of historical sciences , an american doctor of sciences, who is he? a well-known political scientist let's talk with them and first let's look at the advertisement fungus on the nails, there is a solution, there are discounts on the medical

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on trump is tired , argumentative, i wrote about it and wrote a lot and talked a lot . respectively, an agent of the kremlin, an agent of putin, and you know, there is a lot of information in general, to prove agent cooperation is very difficult. it is always the most difficult moment in the special services . the argument that oleg gordievsky was recruited by british intelligence would at some point be a dose of insecurity in the fact that he is an agent for several months of non-tracing and they could not prove anything , they released him and here he escaped, well, there is another story with the cambrian five

не казать казать проказат agenturny agenturnoe how would it be , the beauty of a person is very, very complicated , but there are several arguments. trump has not said a single bad word about putin , for all these years, not a single bad word about putin, but the agent should not at least pretend and say a couple of bad words so that you wouldn't guess that he is such a good person from the special services - it's hard to believe but this is the basic law, you don't have the right to say a single bad word against your curator , that's what you can say anything, but you don't have the right to say a single bad word against your curator, but trump is seriously tied to russian money, and there is a lot of evidence for this, so they will always

discuss this system, it's interesting. serious, yes, but, that trump is, as it were, an agent of the kremlin, this is some fact, and the reason for which unfortunately , not a single republican candidate for the presidency worries me, not a single democratic presidential candidate worries me. but if the president of the united states trump will become and i hope iskra nothing will happen, he will stop the aid to ukraine, he will withdraw the u.s. from nato and it will give europe. well, as you see it, on the information of russia, it may not improve the situation in russia , but this is what will be done, at least

that's what 100% trump will try to do, we won't do it today, a week after the riot, he would just flood you with newspapers, television, no , you are the same, you are the same, i don't know, you are the same, how would the tv be a product of the newspapers, i don't know , now it offends me, but i apologize, yes, the sto would talk around frankly speaking, no one understands us, no one understands what happened and i must say that i don't understand everything either. when you say that they have understood everything for many years , this is the first time i hear it from you, this is also an insult

. - in the bear's statement, it is said that there was a request to seize power, and the question that you need to ask yourself is who made this request, and this is the actual question that requires an answer, and we know that it was not the army, because the puck, how would it be the other way around in this case rather a victim and prigozhina, we know that this was not a--a razzguardia because the gold immediately declared its full support for putin and blah-blah-blah, although he did nothing, it seems that he was not required, and the only third force left is security and ah, the fact that patrushev took part in the negotiations between prigozhin and lukashenko. but in fact, as it seems to me, these negotiations were not a place for lukashenko to be embarrassed

, and the paper there in patrushev's button will send prigozhin directly. he sat as the deputy of the russian general staff and the deputy of the defense minister, shaygu, and they had a peaceful conversation, then they discussed something, then they did not need lukashenko to talk to him, but to follow putin, and he needed the latter, and there are two foreign political issues well, there are actually two issues that are on the agenda of the russian leadership, and the first one is the war in ukraine, and the second one is the escalation of this war in the nuclear war.

ударов из белоруссия , because we all know that belarus is transferring nuclear weapons, this is its own, what are some other questions that could be discussed? by putin well, i don’t have to explain it to you, we saw how pale putin looked after the end of this very prigozhyn request, i don’t know what he said, and what he spoke for five minutes, what he gathered, uh, all the leaders of the security forces what did he thank for the help, wait, what kind of help did they do anything at all, no one intervened, as it were, at this moment no one came forward in support of putin, there was not a single statement, but not public, they are not public, yes, the government has all disappeared, nobody, nothing

he didn't do it, so he thanks putin, in fact, it's not good if he won this fight, regardless of who it was. the fight was what he had to say . all the leaders whom he gathered for a meeting, he should be fired and not thanked. what happened to wagner in the first minute prigozhin was declared a traitor to wagner, rebels in the second minute wagner said everything, dear friends, where do you want to live, do you want to live in belarus, stay in belarus, stay in russia