[000:00:00;00] it seems that he already announced that the white house is ready for these things, ready to consider them, but let's talk about it today, but if they are not, but in fact the event should start today , the fact that the plan has one victory for ukraine and this will lead to the defeat of the putin regime, but certainly at the same time, the event must want to control this transit of power, that is, he was there, he will be there for, let’s say, there with the lord of russia or without the collapse of russia, or imagine a country with 4,000 nuclear warheads in chaos. risks and everyone understands that it is better to keep someone there . but at the same time, what they understood is that the west must understand whether putin is the autocrat who seems to be corrupt, everything else, he is not the only option today to preserve this regime, that is, they will try to find compromises and maybe to look for putin's replacement, but putin's replacement will be taken by a person who looks like putin, looks like putin

, that is, if the system is preserved, if the liberals come to power, for example, that's it. how will he talk to the cadre there? for example, the chechen mirad, he immediately has his own private army with money. all the rest, he immediately declares autonomy and goes where he needs, and i will show this further to everyone in the summer that today you can take advantage of these advantages at that time and disperse, but they will try to preserve and keep it. look for that person who can be a deputy. well, let's say that after putin . it seems to me that it is very important today. putin's bodyguard, but a person who, in fact, was raised by the rostyls in the podilsk political incubator. look there, he was the head of personal security, he directly participated in the organization of the removal of yanukovych from the territory of ukraine in the 14th year, because at that time he allegedly managed the special operations forces as the deputy minister of defense, he directly

was responsible for the operation in the crimea and there in the east of our country, a person who essentially went through all the stages, that is , he is fully responsible for them all the things why because before that, who was called there the legal successor of the son of patroshev, dmytro, who today heads the ministry of agriculture there, but in terms of his qualities, he is much weaker as a state official, that is, a person who is also a security officer, that is, he is not understood in russia. they did it in cancer, they moved the atmods, it led to a civil war, and they can’t do it anymore , they have to look for a new sadam now. it seems that they are afraid of this scenario of russia, a scenario where ukraine will not act as a subject, where ukraine acts as an object, and president zelenskyi has spoken many times about the schedule of russia's trumpeting in russia, the change of power in russia - this is the story where ukraine wants

to act as a subject guys, they are just no, no, there is nothing to do. first , yes, and for the guys to come out, but there must be a military victory of ukraine, that's where our subjectivity is manifested, a military victory of ukraine plus an active position. yes, and plus an active position - this is the question of our integration into nato and the european union and the offensive position in foreign policy, what about dumin, i still have certain doubts, look at the situation now in general, here is the signal that is now coming from moscow all the last days, they are very contradictory and in terms of raw materials or arrested or just interrogated and to the eye there on some other subjects, even on prigozhyn, where is prigozhyn, is he in belarus or today information that he is already conducting negotiations in moscow yes, and the planes are either in st. petersburg or in moscow, but they shared it's just airplanes, that's right there, the ratings yes, and it's possible without

it, yes . maybe there they say that there are also weapons, but pay attention . dyumin had connections with wagner. he entered into negotiations with patrushef and the war leadership of the presidential administration , and on and on, they negotiated as with an experienced e. it seems that now he is also not what is under suspicion, but pay attention to the fact that he was not at some events in moscow, it was even noticed that this whole period after the riots on wagner and prigozhin, none of these potential so-called entertainers appeared in public, petrushev jr. medvedev did not appear

at all just now today, he was in amman. yes, only today he appeared there with his regular post, and dyumin also somehow spoke about him, they mentioned him on the 24th, but who appeared publicly, whom putin awarded and who became the main beneficiary, the hero, the gold, yes, no one expected it, yes, from his history, a deposit from his wife, and by the way, how about the stash, the stash and the stash, it was not for nothing that it was mentioned, because now, oh, and i will tell you that now there are many conversations in particular, and this is one from the explanations why there is such a specific story with the paradzhen well, why are the negotiations with him continuing and so on, and are there not , by the way, those serious obschakovs and many other things , and not only in caches? and that's it

there are talks about them now, and i think that they want to return them, everyone sleeps with the key to e-e accounts . many oligarchs from putin. by the way, what will be the further fate of kovalchuk - kovalchuk and the kovalchuks, who were closely related to the handsome, and that is, not only the security forces, but in general, these contradictions are intensifying, so the question is open for dumin, but i think that according to further personnel reshuffles, if they will be after a certain time, we will look at what state putin is on, who is he betting on? it seems to me that now his paranoia has increased significantly, he did not trust anyone in particular before and now who can be trusted if the beauty was not stopped, if a person who was trusted cheated yes yes and who was confidant in various secret operations, dirty operations, yes and she actually betrayed him yes, and who to trust, who to bet on it seems to me that

how the caveat affected putin and self-isolation, now i think that he also hit this unfortunate coup according to his mind and we will see how it will develop, yes oleksiy, let's still ask about the fate of russia, we started talking , i still want to hear your vision of victory, what's next? really? it has already been mentioned several times today that simple elections cannot change anything in this situation if it is possible, i would go into his question, after all, because of the issue of purges in the army, serivics and so on, will the same security forces remain there as a force that can decide something in the future, that's all what colleagues are discussing or how you ask for it everything is an inertial scenario, in which the elites will decide for themselves who will stay and who will leave, and when we talk about the west, yes, this is a very heterogeneous thing, there are states that are most afraid of the collapse of russia because it is not clear

where will the nuclear weapons be dispersed? china will be strengthened . this is one position. central western europe . eastern europe is poland and the baltic countries, there is ukraine, there is finland , that is, all neighbors who understand that without the radical reformation of russia without the dismantling of the putin regime, there will be no long-term strategic security. they want an inertial scenario there, at least not putin , let someone not be a fool there, yes ukraine as the leader of the anti-putin coalition as the country that will be the winner in this war, it must determine how the configuration will be

the authorities in russia have exhausted their concrete plan, of course, this should be discussed at the level of the expert community , at the level of the verkhovna rada, at the level of various services, and it is necessary to form the configuration that will be in russia later , otherwise germany will intercept the initiative and the states will do the stake is just an inertial scenario, it is not in the interests of ukraine or russians, who also have the right to live when they are in a normal country under normal government. agreements have not changed yet. nothing has changed. as it was in chechnya , there was one war. let the yanukovych scenario remain in a year, elections and so on

, they can offer the same to russia, and again here is a question for you to the radical wing of the russian opposition. do you agree to such a scenario if you don't agree so how do you show your disagreement and the second question is if ukraine, er, proposes some plan with which you do not agree, then how will these paramilitary russian groups act in relation to their homeland and ukraine, we naturally do not agree with the scenario, we only need to prove the revolution to the end and completely dismantle all this, but we are counting on the support of ukraine. i think there should be no problems here, because ukraine is primarily interested in dismantling your regime completely, otherwise it will happen again the script, the verses, the truth, our final victory without not only the liberation of the territory, but also the dismantling of the podil regime is impossible . and by the way, also with the possibility of what was said after

the second war, and so on. and so on. in russia, they will happen maybe and not just one moment, but if there are more serious changes there , i think it will be several stages, but for us it is also important that changes take place in belarus. yes , and this will also affect the situation in russia. so, i think that i absolutely agree with in principle, we have a discussion already going on, there are different ideas, different plans, but the discussion is already going on, i and i think that, after all, in specific state structures there are certain developments of this , another thing is that we need to more actively convince our western partners that we should bet not only on the inertial scenario all the more so that everything mentioned by the 96 deputies is clear to us, but it works for them , it just didn’t work, the scenario didn’t work, yes, they failed this scenario, they are analyzing their

mistakes. they were wrong, uh, many times yes, let's say yes, we won't feel sorry for them, they were wrong many times about ukraine, about russia, they were wrong about some countries near the east, that we will be in germany, now they are also finding out the situation of the gangs, there is no way they will justify the story with the brought one, yes, they need it. well, you sometimes you start to poke your nose into a specific situation and say what should we think about this ? maybe before this preparation, but unfortunately they are stuck on the inertial scenario of this problem. that is, you think that they have not yet turned around, no. i think they have already turned around. so they just always choose the least you know such a tragic scenario and found a tragic ready-made scenario . and here they choose the one that is more acceptable to them. and it is acceptable that this is a cold transfer

of power, that is, control of everything, but for me , today, that is the biggest mistake. it will be reanimation or trying to keep putin in power, that is, to hold on to of any there is someone, under the condition of stability, this will be the biggest mistake. why will they hold it, they will try to get stability , control, understanding, that is, they choose , for example, whether there is a threat to the third world application. well, they consider between the world order and in their relationship why because four silences scared me that's it, but the ukrainians can end i'm sorry , but look, what's really the main thing is that they're americans and all the rest of the event she has to understand that these things are no longer reversible and no matter how hard you try to eliminate it, postpone it, it is already impossible, it is already decaying, and the only scenario today is to be ready and accept what is and do not be afraid of the collapse of russia, as they were afraid of the collapse of the soviet government, about this issue is a very word that always rests when

they say either the transmission of the word or the collapse of russia they say we are afraid of the uncontrollable issue that we are currently discussing someone is making a controlled plan harder softer but changes to this system dismantling the creation of new ones and up to the collapse but controlled by the number of employees. this facility once started. you will remember that there were reports that there were reports from russia. despite all the sanctions, several planes were flying to the united states, and it seems to me that all these things have already happened exactly as they were, and in 2018 we asked the director of the cia and they asked him. please tell me that you invited the heads of the russian special services to the united states. yes, and that's what you talked to him about. if we have trust and we are partners. well, they started explaining to in order to predict the stability of maintenance there, and then i asked very simple things there, what did you feel? well, they said that

they felt that all the security forces are well - educated and intelligent. all the same, the rest. by the way, i want to say this as an ensign , and by the way, i want to say an interesting fact: in 2006 , a summit was held in ukraine for three. it was a gathering of the heads of the special services of the cis countries, and as usual, russians were present there of the special services, he was held in yalta, and then already after a friendly dinner there, they began, as they say, to always solve their problems there, and then the question was until berezovsky is on the territory of ukraine, so he must be localized there , in the end, everything is there, and our leadership then well, he just asked a question to our type, berezovsky, he is already marginal there , nobody there, he does not affect anything, and then, in patrushev, they are patrushna bortnikov personally says imagine to the head of our service, he says that every morning i get a call from the director

and the director. they call me putin. well, russia is the director, and he starts because the main question is, you still haven’t cleaned it every morning. on all guarantees, that is, the property of all these and the nature yes, today i stated yesterday on that is, it is already a question even on questions will be asked only today there and the keys there are the transfer of safes there there are passwords there and accounts here but what is his fate exactly the situation there in africa, they promise him there that they will maintain control there and despite the fact that these security forces acted as guarantors and boarders there and they were all precisely that there will be no you there , but understanding all these challenges, he himself i went to this one and knew that there would be collections with him and he definitely counted on victory and all the rest of the security forces were promised, all this was, as they say, well, we drew directly somehow, we just now you will regret the beauty, it’s not

yet a crime year, it seems too late, you know, you know there for two weeks, then we won’t no not only that he had a heart attack or something, if you started talking about this story, then you want to go back to the beginning of russian and not russian, the american special service announced that they knew for a few weeks at least that this whole situation was being prepared, decided not to intervene , accordingly, you already spoke there at the beginning that the russian special services did not report the fact that they also understood that at the level of the special services. this story was correctly understood, completely understood consciously, and in this case it turns out to be controlled, but it was uncontrolled, but no one wanted to intervene because everyone wanted to see what would come out of this american americans , as they say, americans in this situation, they saw about the mutiny, the preparation will show concern, sympathy was not made known, although in fact it is, well, internal there is a facility, tourist acts are also there, any

the special service will receive such information, it was not enough to warn what putin did, for example, when there was an attempt on erdogan in turkey , they warned him in three hours that there would be a mutiny , it was a radio interception and he then flew from one hotel to another and then missile strikes tolcopters they were well in an already empty room where there was no artery yes and then erdoğan was grateful for everything but to you today in the western communication has, let’s say so, the person on whom they bet if they bet on for example a beauty or wore in those eyes both are there absolute evil, and therefore it is clear that even the ukrainian side did not pass this information on to us because they believed that there could be leaks, that is, after all , there are some things, their agents from russia have certain opportunities not to interfere, so no do not interfere, do not interfere, and even if you are not there, don't get involved, but now that we were there, the russian special services knew for sure, we controlled it, but we were waiting to see what would come of it, that is , we used what they said, he stopped 200 km from moscow, did not feel support there, did not

feel reports that his there they support an insufficient number of people who should have switched to his side. but i will repeat myself again. zach was let down by the spy. well, if he had gone to moscow, it seems to me that there would be a chain there, you know , the reaction would have started. why, because moscow was not ready and it was not only the testimony of those bloggers that it was not there, only there were two roads dug up there, one through the city was destroyed there, that is, everything, that is, but in fact , why was there the determination of prigozhin while he was there already announcing his unit for more , they were already moving in the direction moscow that is, it was a rapid promotion there and you know what else was interesting. so when they will also say that rolikin was interrogated and he was already there , or they said there he made a statement that he began to grumble there and this palm of the ground is further there promote his personal intervention there or his influence or his calculations and they have already made a statement and he is one of the first, yes, i am just saying that he tried to refuse it there, it is not just that he did it there, he was

even there, as western specialists say in body language with showed that he was like once upon a time in the 39th generals were sitting in the stalinist region . but interestingly, not everyone in russia is so zombified, let's say people of television or people of tv, or even military crews who refused to strike or strike according to the columns of beauties who were there, including those who were moved there and by cars, this is proof that russia, you know, does not wake up, but there are people on whom you can count on, including our colleagues there, and i think there are enough of such people, that is, thinking let's talk about them, oleksiy, maybe there are some sources and what happened in those days with the russian army, or did such processes take place in it when the army was determined for whom it or the army is below its

dignity formation of k unfortunately for a simple russian soldier, political so-called education is at a very low level and the city is easier to follow orders and not think . е потретят отвественно продупаты деньги и так далее а-а еченичное что мы во высим от совей строхное to us in the legion chatbot , applications are constantly coming in, including from conscripts and mobilized soldiers, especially for those who have not yet entered ukraine, they are great those who are aware of the project want to live, how to surrender to captivity and how to get to us? when you surrender to captivity and when

we enter the belgorod region , the number of applications increases . people know about us, including in the army, and will it turn into a mass transfer of some units to our side, but we hope for it because rostov has shown that people are ready to be sent to any force. wagner is will be wagner встречает там с цветамы the legion will enter - также буду встречат может быть быть высоком таже теже, but there are people, and you were surprised when you saw such a reaction of ordinary people actually to wagner , because well, for us it was a little unexpected , some kind of story yes, no, just compared to putin's here is this stuffy behind alcohol air, when this is completely police state, any movement, even wagner's , causes such excitement, at least something new, because all these corruptors

cops in the fsbshniks did not get everyone so что люди готовые к обычные к новой места welcome, therefore, the arrival of the column in rostov reminded me very much of the scene from cold , cold, autumn, cold summer, summer of 53 i know this, i can't, i couldn't understand the treatment, that's what you understand, you understand. this is just russia, after the war, whose prisoners will return from the front. all of you know what i 'm talking about. responsibility a if you join the army, that is, the state is interested in criminal crimes, that is, and imagine. that is, the more criminal crimes, the more, the more they take away from the army

. he is not just convicts, not just a bandit, yes. and these are our military soldiers, all the more so, not only convicts there, but also former grushniks and part of former officers, also the psychology of russian society, back in 1989 , the russian union was still on the eve of collapse academician afanasieva formulated his brilliant formula about the soviet people then, and the aggressive, obedient majority, here is something similar under putin, russian sociology, which was also before wagner's bear. and now i think that they will be something similar, both for peace and for those who want to continue the war, at the same time , they are one and the same people and here is this mess he witnessed putin in gaga the same seven s proce a long time ago it is time to change the firmware in a big way the majority was watching now such interested

observers of the reality show yes how will it end yes yes yes well putin is there it is unknown where in moscow, yes, the sheikh is already there on the subject of criticism, yes, and here are some new ones, yes, moving , yes, determined, given your justice, it was called , yes, that's why they watched with interest. if there is a demonstration of determination, a demonstration of changes, a demonstration of success in this struggle, well, it can affect the internal situation, because how russian society turns out, well, remembering the ancient classic, ah , and it can simply be bridged. who will win in this struggle so that it is possible and necessary to influence the russian society and this is a demonstration of the weakness of the russian government and through the demonstration of another alternative and there is

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, well, because i can suspect that the attack is what everyone is waiting for, and i absolutely agree with the zaluzhny. he says that he is annoyed by the expectations and civilian people of the couch of these experts and when the attack happened, but i understand that when the events took place in russia and then ours began to look very carefully because is it worth burning the equipment or is it worth risking people if everything could be left everything could end there in russia and not here in the war zone, right - right, i am here. well, i think that, you know, there were possible hopes if this so-called institution would expand and it would turn into a serious battle of clashes inside russia, then it would be possible to transfer part of it troops from this did not happen to the ukrainian front in russia. yes, then there would be a chance for us. yes, i