[000:00:00;00] so, we continue our program about war and weapons, and now we have anatoliy khrabchynskyi, an aviation expert, on the phone. p. anatoliyu . greetings, the press. you can hear me . unfortunately , i am talking to you. about how important it is to fight with the means and systems of the enemy, which determines the management on the battlefield , and so on. and so, against the background of wagner's march to moscow, we saw that several unique examples of russian and military equipment were destroyed and british intelligence even said that these losses demoralized the military and space forces of the russian federation, in particular

stating the downing of this il-22m plane . a command plane, a command post from which troops are controlled, it is equipped with a special communications system of guaranteed stability in the soviet union , such aircraft were produced on the basis of the tu-134-tu-154 a-a tell about some unique uniqueness of this plane, in my opinion, this particular plane is included in the flight number because this particular plane was purposefully built to serve the leadership in afghanistan and directly transported the president of afghanistan until the year 79, and later was returned to the ussr and was converted in the year 83 from il-18d and then

it was modified to il-22 regarding the number according to the estimates of american intelligence, in fact the number of aircraft of this type they call about 12 pieces at the same time flydglobal is a world-famous expression that calculates aircraft of different countries a-a declares that there are about 25 such planes. but i think that the british intelligence somewhat exaggerates and the active planes of this type are no more than 7-8 pieces, which may be the consequences for the russian army. this is the loss of a control unit that is difficult to replace in communication with a limited number available, this is a flying command post that, in fact, cannot be shot down in war because it is far from the front line in anatoly, but in addition to the destruction of this command post , several helicopters were also destroyed, i would

first of all single out whole mi-8 e planes there -e tpr that is, planes for electronic warfare, we remember the story that when the russians lost so many of these helicopters near the russian border, and now we have a continuation of this story. what is the special feature of these helicopters, how are they used, what is their potential, and why ? on the situation on the battlefield and this is a rather interesting helicopter, it is equipped with a system of things that performs the function of both radio-electronic warfare and radio-electronic intelligence, and this type of helicopter will be put into service in 2016 although it was developed that during the soviet union in the 90s, at the time of the adoption of these glaciators, there were only

six units and they planned to increase them to 20 , the kremlin mouthpiece analog net claims that they can suppress everything. to the western e-e radar stations it is to blind air defense and to cover the work of fighters, as we see on may 13, their month suffered an inevitable loss after meeting with the patriot, so talk about the invulnerability and invulnerability of these helicopters is already difficult, because in fact we see that, after all, they crash and their protection is already reliable. you assume that, after all, it was the patriots who attacked the group that carried out barrages of ammunition there on our territory and covering

ourselves with these helicopters, we mi-8, now i, well, on my back , it is exactly like that, and now there is another nuance that concerns the use of russian official equipment, this is exactly the activation by the enemy using helicopters assault k-52s that are trying to deter the advance of our units in the south, they act in the format of such attack groups that are trying to destroy our armored vehicles that are moving there sometimes slowly through mined fields, what are your assessments of such tactics, how to counter this , what is the k-52 based on when it carries out such strike missions. well, in fact, russia is trying to ensure the protection of its defense lines , which is exactly why we see deploying

a deployed base from these helicopters to the temporarily occupied berdyansk, but the k-52 first after all, it is designed to work against ground targets, it can be shot down both from the visor and with air defense means, how to counter it, rather, it is the construction of a multi-level system of radio electronic warfare and air defense on the front line, which will comprehensively protect both offensive operations and front-line functions of permanent deployment. i would say as a conclusion that we need modern means of electronic warfare and air defense that will be able to suppress the capabilities of these e-e helicopters and others

planes and neutralize them at a certain distance. speaking of which, today's attack on borodyansk. can we assume that this attack was carried out exactly where the russian helicopters and planes were located , because i have not yet seen the latest information about where exactly it was hit ah, i assume that berdyansk will be a very important target for our armed forces, because there is a lot of crowding there , so we are expecting a second chernobyl. i sincerely hope that it will really be planned and to be realized, but when we talk about the k-52, it is in principle a familiar example of russian military equipment, but the enemy is demonstrating a certain dynamic that cannot help but be alarmed precisely because of the use of the scaling of glide bombs in front-line aviation, because they sold aviation and the main thing is the scaling of the use of these saving

lancet ammunition, the question arises again, what are the main conclusions to be drawn, how to counter it, especially with regard to the barrage gaps, if we see on the video, which sometimes appears on russian channels, we see that the enemy uses these e-e lancets precisely to strike sensitive targets, it is both radar and armored vehicles and e-e art systems, are there options for combating lancets because i ask this question as an e-e expert to many officials and hear different answers as to how to counter this do you have a vision of how to minimize these risks that come from the russian side, and in my opinion, the actual fight against lancets and these planning bombs is, well, there are such. i would say there are two solutions to this problem. the first is, again,

the construction of a multi-level system of electronic warfare and air defense that it will protect detect suppress or destroy in relation to the same lancets from the same e-e bombs that are dropped that is e-e a properly constructed system can blind e means by which it is dropped correctly it will be an excellent system can or destroy on at the time of launch or already on the approach, and the second is due to well , i am convinced that this is probably the most effective way , is it due to sabotage groups or long-range operatives that destroyed not only logistics and supplies, but also the place assembly and production, moreover, no less attention should be paid to the engineering staff

working at these factories, they make weapons that kill ukrainians, therefore they are also an important target. systems that seem to be able to affect the enemy's use of barrage munitions of various scales and capabilities, to what extent is this direction technologically achievable for ukrainian companies, are there samples or examples of when really we can expect the appearance of a model there that can better fight with the same lancet that flies up to the object that it wants to attack and just like fighting for lancets with martyrs, is there potential in our companies to create competing models and definitely ukrainian potential is very large a-a i would like to point out that well , for example, in the piranii tech company, the test

period of the station is passing, which is capable of suppressing gps channels , controlling telemetry and many other things at a long distance, but it is necessary, if the fish system can be solved with destruction and protection from such means as a lancet, so martyrs, in addition to suppressing gps channels, kilometers and control, there is no need to change the coordinates , that is, the so-called spoofing, by diverting from the target and coordinating the flight to more easily destroy the same cheetah. so there are promising developments for damage shahedov by electromagnetic means, but let's not feed the enemy with information, and i will only say that ukrainian developers are now uniting and making very cool products that are capable of

creating problems for the enemy and when we we are talking about ukrainian potential, we are talking about the fact that the war is increasingly involving robotic platforms, in particular drones, and the question arises as to how real is this process related to the swarm use of e-e strike air systems or do we have the opportunity to really overtake the enemy and pass conditionally speaking not from the individual use of this or that munition, did the drones respond to a larger -scale use in a swarm format , how realistic is it in the current conditions, and the reality of the conditions, well, let's say it is very real but we have a thesis that they say that the russians established a mass production of lancets there, so let's look at it a little differently. russia is the prototype of the soviet union at a new level , that's exactly why we perceive its production as

mass. it's just systematized. our production is no less mass, but it's not like that. it is systematized in a different way, but believe me, i think every ukrainian now has an acquaintance who is engaged in the production of kamikaze drones, and in fact, this direction is developing very strongly in our country, and thanks to some assistance from helps with assistance from the state, for example, he numbers a lot of events that help developers unite, make teams, look for some new ways to solve these problems, and what can actually be such factors that will really speed up the scaling of the production of drones in ukraine and, well, the deployment of such new centers of competence in ukraine what do you think we are lacking so far and where should we

break such bottlenecks a-a look and we are currently running a high-tech war. that is, we are faced with the fact that most of the components that can now not be used on the front line are tools that have just appeared, that have just been invented, they have not undergone certain processing, but they are being tested directly already on the front line, for the most part, and that's why we are faced, i think, mostly with bureaucratic problems, some when there are certain standards put into service, which we have, which are still outdated and which are not at all suitable for the weapons that are currently being developed, we understand even with that eh radioelectronic fighting electronic warfare for 30 years. therefore, it was a system when you understand by peeling and you understand there is a radio camomile

there is a station r140 or 845 or a radio main . - this is a fight against ordinary drones, which until recently were just shooting weddings there, which were sold and easily available. now these drones perform a mission both for dropping ammunition and for reconnaissance, therefore the standards countries are changing, and these changes need to be accelerated a little, and even more so during hostilities. i am thinking of simplifying this system a little . anatolyov. do you have information about which western countries or companies can be such partners to speed up the creation of more effective, in particular, those strike drones or means rap, in particular, there is the same israel , the united states, how do you think the interaction is happening here, are there restrictions or

are there no restrictions in order to strengthen our potential, ah, ah, in fact, again, at the moment , what is happening is that our partners are western some uh accept our experience, they see uh, new application systems, they are all over again, this is something that has never happened before . before that, you understand, i’m saying that if we uh, before, unmanned vehicles were perceived, then we will be with amperakhtar something big, yes. there are some more. the americans were working on it. they developed a drone to help the f-35, which will also be controlled already in the 35th, but here it reaches the level of one munition, which one imagines can be an ordinary drone, so i think

that here we can get some technological help from countries such as the united states, e.e., israel, japan, and mostly the equipment itself, the development, we have enough strength to develop it. moreover, we have a wallpaper field and it is all continuously checked and implemented. you mentioned the company tag . i know that you well, you know in detail what this company can do and manufacture, and i saw in the phrase of one of the owners of this company how he says about what we are partially implementing here in ukraine. the experience we gained in israel we want to make ukrainian the products were no worse than the israelis when we talk about the means of fishing . then the question arises. and do i have them?

there are opportunities, we will get them from us directly, i know that there are piranhas, there are specialists who , before that, worked for many years in israeli companies, and therefore there is experience and there are opportunities. i think that here we still need to connect at the state level in order to to discuss these issues and bring it to such a discussion that would be at the level of the state leadership but i think that we have enough opportunities to also independently er trouble this way for ourselves and make what new developments because i say once again, i want to repeat that what is happening now on the front line has never happened before and no one has seen it, that is , we are now developing a new experience , a new option for launching hostilities thanks to high-tech

means anatolia, do you feel that what the state is actually, on the one hand, a bureaucratic obstacle that we will probably be able to overcome, and the second component is funding, this is a projected order for those samples that our companies manufacture there, or drones or means of rap. how do you evaluate this component? i think that the state, assessing the situation and seeing what some companies are developing, understands how much it will have to invest in this industry, how much it will have to be developed in this industry, and i think that we will be able to occupy the first place among the countries that after the war will be able to teach others and offer products eh something like eh iron dome of israel that's why i have such prospects in any case p. anatoly thank you very much for your professional comments, i hope that we will continue cooperation with you on the air channels from the press

, and i will remind our viewers that anatoly khabchyn aviation expert was on the air. so , based on the conversation with our industrialists and experts, we can conclude that we have all the prerequisites for our army to become powerful precisely because of new weapons and technologies , the more developed in ukraine, as we see that what is sufficient in ukraine now is of great interest to nato countries, who also understand that they will have to fight with the russian federation after a certain time if russia does not change its policy, and that is enough accumulated today on the a-a battlefield in ukraine will be important for them as well, and on the other hand, we must understand that in addition to the technologies of the weapons samples , the training of the personnel is of great importance, as the leader actually said of the info-protection company yaroslav kirigin what we are creating cool models, but now we need to ensure that these models are effectively used on the battlefield. so this

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of his program, people who have information and shape public opinion people who defend ukraine and create the future right now the main and interesting thing in the program is the verdict serhii rudenko from monday to friday at 8:00 p.m. repeat at 12:10 in 5 minutes the conveyor belt of medals is built purely three days and three days passed, we went on the offensive step by step, there is more equipment here, more and more mouths are trying to throw hail and mines with slingshots, the russians do not expect to achieve any significant success there, but they had to disrupt our offensive in the south, just a klondike of weapons, then weapons after weapons

thank you for all the other troubles, we will punish, we worked, we took, we released along with the beginning of the offensive of the armed forces on the front line in the war between russia and ukraine , it became hot again, this is donbas realities, this time we will show the released ukrainian territory, we will talk with those who took part in the assaults and find out why the russian army is trying to advance again. ukrainian tanks are entering, and at that moment the russian army was occupying the village of pozhdne in donetsk region.

in the forest gardens, we knocked them out in the second stage, the enemy has already taken up the defense, do you know which village i am talking about, in the village, i equipped positions there from a different point , the task was to approach the shelter and defeat the enemy, but here i will say so in character infantry soldiers, tankmen, we approached the shelter, the tank was connected, the character of the soldier vasyl, their positions there, some there, and we went to the toll, the tank drove up 30-50 m. well , on the days of the enemy, the positions were fighting with the call sign odesa, as the company commander was going to attack on the first tank. commander's crew we say good night to everyone, here we are leading the infantry into the offensive, then, well, everything is coming in, we are leaving, then the work is coming, then the infantry is coming in, that means, well, how is it here that i now happen to say that it was easy, it was not easy, it was not easy

, it was easy, it was not easy, it was not easy, because it was necessary to break through routes, thanks to my soldiers, everyone under my command, we do this excellent and good work, minefields, roads , it was necessary to stick out all the time , watch, watch, drive a mechanic so that we did not blow up, at the same time, there was intense fire, a little later there, thank god, everything went well we broke through, we took, we liberated, we broke through, we took, we liberated , this is not the first assault for the tankists, they were already advancing in the south in the kherson region, there are the same fields and forest strips, but the directions are different here there is more meat, here there is more equipment, more art, bigger things are more complicated here, there are a little more of them well, in principle, it is and it is noticeable that there are more of them here, this is the basis of their whole direction, here all this time they were sitting in the donetsk direction, already purely in defense , that is

they are recommended infantrymen. i worked at a coal mine at the dachas, and then at avdeev. that’s where the temporary assault went. we broke them up there and the columns were normal, normal, and there is no fear, because it’s as if the crew and you understand something and someone will be worried there. in the middle of the car, there could be a tragedy. but everything was working well, the targets show us, well, let's say, what will be the point where you need to work from where you need to work, after you leave for the point to work and for their art to be guided there, well, 7 minutes, then you can, in 5 minutes, the conveyor envelope will fly out that's how

many, well, 28 pieces. during the offensive of the armed forces of ukraine in the south of the donetsk region, one of the key roles is played by tanks, it is they and the equipment and part of the units that pave the way for further advancement and break through the long-term defense line of the occupying forces, if it arrives, it will arrive, so always ready to work, to work well, and there you can see how they are in the footage from the assault, the tank in the shelter approached the trench and they hit it with an rpg, another shot either misses or does not work, they rushed in they broke into the village and gave the enemy a cigarette, but this is war. tanchyk was hit a little bit, but thank god everyone is alive and well , everything is fine now they will pull out tanchyk everything will be fine now they will pull out badly damaged cars

, they are trying to evacuate them with special equipment they are preparing for departure because ours needs to be pulled out, evacuated, repaired, and further goes into battle, if there is minimal damage, then well, it is repaired