[000:00:00;00] thank you for taking the time to talk with us hryhoriy kuzurza economist ukraine economist outlock next counterattacking without the f-16 is like going forward with bows and arrows , this edition of the washington post - said the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny noted that western countries never would launch an offensive without air superiority, but ukraine still has not received modern fighter jets, and ukraine, moving to offensive operations, should follow the nato doctrine of the russian federation or not your cause you have your doctrine you have tanks you have guns you have combat vehicles you can do it what is this the number of planes patrolling our western borders is twice the number of russian planes destroying our positions

why can't we take at least a third from there and transfer here valeriy luzhuj, commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, some partners are delaying the training of ukrainian pilots on the f-16, the president of ukraine emphasized this during a press conference with the prime minister of spain in kyiv, is it known when ukraine receives modern fighter jets, let's hear the same questions from me that you just asked the same questions to our esteemed partners, do they have an understanding when ukraine can receive fxt and we agreed and pressed that we are a coalition of countries that are ready to start training for ukrainian there are no pilots, there are no training mission schedules, i think that some partners are delaying this, why they are doing it, i

do not know oleksiy hetman joins our broadcast, a military viewer and reserve major, greetings to you, good morning, mr. oleksiy good morning, we would like to analyze from your point of view how to advance faster if we had 16 and we heard the opinion of course valery zaluzhnyi and it is clear that these processes would go faster, but we are waiting for autumn, are we waiting for planes or are we advancing now, how can you analyze what is happening at the front, we will continue here, but without having the advantage of the air well, it will be very difficult for us to do it here well, it is really a little strange here , we are supplied with a lot of good equipment

, including armored vehicles from bradley leopards or well, the challenges of the ribs are promising, but as i said, just like the tin valve, which has no advantage in the air, the same uh, leopard is no longer a leopard, as uh, a weapon that is very successful can be used as a target on the battlefield because it is vulnerable we can't cover it with the air. well, all the tacticians, er, well, all the electronic borders of nato , especially of the united states, are based on the fact that before taking offensive actions on land, you must first achieve air superiority. and that's what is spent well, for a certain time, certain forces , well, in any military operation, then the ground troops, armored vehicles, come and go . well, it is really difficult to understand why we were given a part of the equipment that we can use powerfully and with normal equipment , and the planes that are supposed to cover this equipment were not

transferred to that it seems to me that this is our first phase of our offensive, it will give an opportunity for salt somewhere, but no, i don't think that it is not a very long distance. action already. i think we will start in the fall, because from the very beginning it was known that with one counteroffensive or offensive , it is more correct to say that we can win in one, that is , we will do this offensive . we will wait for the planes. i apologize. i announce air alarms in the mykolaiv and odesa regions. if you hear a message or a signal about an air alarm, please go to the objects of exposure. that's how the night crosses

, you see in the morning, we have repeatedly heard from military experts that the russians are currently focusing on the south of our country so that our military cannot block this corridor to crimea. and actually this is also logistics, military ammunition, and so on. how can you evaluate the directions that are important for the russians now and the populated areas or those logistical chains which they are trying to preserve now where they are these corridors which are now unfortunately still existing between well let's say a detailed part of the russian federation and the crimea of ​​the temporary well this is this this is all along the corridor they can to move from the crimea to the crimea. that is, where are the opportunities to maintain defense in the south. when we succeed in arming the sea of ​​azov, that is, in front of

the nuberdian melitopol, be sure to cut this chain, then, well, to the crimea, well, you can say that he will be in a conditional environment then well , it will be easier to de-occupy him, they will remain without support and the only connection with the russian federation will be left only through the crimean bridge, and the railways there have not yet been repaired, well, the railway canvas and you can't transport a lot of automobile equipment there, especially since it's also vulnerable, it can be quickly destroyed , so these are the cities, not the most important for us, this direction is the most important for us, so that's why he 's trying to go to the north, anyway, on this front line to make any attempts at offensive actions well, to distract our forces so that, well, it is impossible - our advance to the east and to and to the south, well, which are the most important places, well, here are the places, to be more precise, well, here, well, 70

important ones can be listed here, well, maybe well, pyatikhatky, for example, nuts, there were very important places where we went, these are the foothills, these are the bridgehead positions from which we have to carry out offensive actions further , well, let's see, the enemy is making furious resistance. the fortifications that they built are more powerful lines than were even during the second world war when a powerful fortress was built there, and the fortifications are not just trenches with, well, there are some trenches, they are equipped with firing positions. well, they are not only made of wood a reinforced concrete structure is also reinforced there, that is, they are serious, they have prepared, but you see, we are still moving forward. well, not as fast as possible. some people would like us not to move in the opposite direction . oleksia wanted to inquire about the movement of the armed forces of the russian federation. for example , the institute for the study of war writes about the fact that

the russians are brazenly charging additional forces because they feel the power of the advance of the armed forces of ukraine there, and today on the air of our marathon, the only news is the mayor of melitopol, mr. fedorov noted that henichesk and melitopol are being saturated with personnel, that is, no one is leaving there , but on the contrary, where are they getting all this from which shades of the front? where he is now unknown and said that they are creating some kind of additional reserve army well, they don’t have any reserves somewhere another army and large reserves that they can attract in order to continue the defense everything that was not reserved well, they have already involved 90% in these defensive actions, they are simply moving troops along the front line, where well

, where are they shooting from where, well, it is moving simply to the pressure of the front from different cities, it is difficult to say where exactly they are moving to the south to bakhmut from where, well, from the north they can transfer again, they don't have such a reserve, they don't have any forces somewhere inside russia, somewhere behind the urals that they can pull up and strengthen er-er send their front line that's why the movement is just a movement along the front line this is not bad for us, because they can still understand where we are going to launch our main attack, therefore, out of fear, he moves his troops here and there . do you think there are any risks that a certain number, a powerful number of troops will be formed there, which may eventually leave the territory

of belarus, or do you rule out this option, it is impossible, there is a risk, there was a meeting of the supreme high command that several days ago, etc. zelenskyi said that it is necessary to strengthen our preparedness and our troops precisely in the north because there is intelligence data that they can prepare some offensive actions in the community. well , approximately 8,000 wagnerians are in the goods that were built there in the forests in belarus, they are being put in order after the battles in ukraine, well, they are preparing for something, but to think that it will be a powerful group that can take some serious offensive actions. well, it is not worth the generals who are responsible for this a section of our border for this section for now, well, the front can also be said, uh, he reports that all their movements

are under our control, all those places on which they, well, roads, on which we could not move, because there are local foresters in the swamps the terrain there is not through, you can get there, they are all controlled, they are all, well, the troops are completely manufactured there, so a provocation is quite possible, and on their part, well, an attempt to attack. the direction is not needed yet, uh, regarding valery zaluzhny’s comments for the washington post. i think i’m sure that you even read carefully how valery zaluzhny, our commander-in-chief, comments on the situation that is developing at the front. dotrin, yes, he interestingly said that the russian federation has a doctrine, nato has a doctrine, and what is the doctrine in

ukraine when we try to fight without absolute dominance in the air, and here it is not entirely clear what valeriy zuluzhny is alluding to, maybe it is me being so careful, very careful i say, he is hinting at the fact that without planes, er, we will not be able to advance to the borders of 1991, well, you know, i am very careful. well , first of all, we will definitely not be allowed to advance to the border in 1991, at the same time, with this offensive, because to win the war with one offensive operation, well, it doesn't happen like that, it's always , well, several offensive operations. well, let's have at least two, because in our country, speaking of all, it will be 3-4 of our offensive offensive actions , well, without, without air support, without aircraft support. well, we, we will advance, we will go out on our border in the 91st year, but this is us, we are suffering a lot of losses, the planes will give us the opportunity to save a large number

of lives of our e-e servicemen and planes in the air, air superiority will give the opportunity to save the same equipment that it supplies partners, well, you know, uh, a lot of analysts, uh, generals of nazovsky, they say that this is how my ukraine is fighting now, because it is, well, really with bows and arrows without superiority in the air when the air enemy can do whatever he wants and we there is nothing we can do to prevent it. but nevertheless, we are moving , well, yes, this is a very, not very, very unpleasant situation, and again , i agree with mr. luzhnyi, well , it is impossible, it is impossible to disagree with president zelenskyi that it is not clear or something why are these planes? they cannot be handed over to our country so that we can advance faster, so that we have air superiority

. well, the situation is not clear . that is why we think that these offensive actions. fully to liberate our territory, well, after such, we are unlikely to be able to do it at least within a more or less reasonable period of time, that is, in six months, maybe in a year, without planes, it can last, it can turn into a trench war, what putin wants, it can pretend to be something unspecified ice cream of the conflict and it can continue there murakami , well, it is not very good that it is a frozen conflict, of course, the ideal option. why do they want this conflict to be frozen, because they see that, for now, armored vehicles are on the ground well, we have an advantage in addition to superiority in the air and we can really go to our borders frozen, the conflict will give an opportunity with russia to prepare better for the next war with us and to renew their strength, they are now transferring their military, well, industry to

a military rating. why are they doing this to us, they want, they need a break in order to build up strength and make a new attack on our country, our partners don't understand it, why? well, okay, i think that's all it will be fine in the end and because our military directly and the president said that the closer the armed forces of ukraine get to the temporarily occupied territories of the zaporizhzhia region, zaporizhzhia is actually the territory where the station is located, the closer and the more active the militants there become are located and all the more so it is gaining such a very nervous and sense because it infuriates them and they want to blackmail the ukrainian army in this way as well. do

you think it is this connection and this is what they can now threaten and undermine it is because of the fact that our armed forces are getting closer and closer, well, this is this, this is 100 % communication. well, there are even signs that they are going to do this already, well, they are already so bright . well, first there were representatives of rosatom, this is their specialists there, and they gave a command to leave from there that is, you are evacuating them, they are trying to evacuate people with the cooperation of the ukrainians who work there , well, they serviced the salt station, and part of the russian troops who were there are also evacuating. well, these are all signs that they are going to do what harm it can be it is not necessary to extract radiation, it can simply spoil without the station as an energy structure , but they did it in the fall. last year, in the winter, they attacked our energy

structures, well, with missiles that cost many millions. and here you can directly destroy them without spending money. even these missiles that were launched on other territories of ukraine well, we can say about spokeswoman sakharova in russian, who has already started to accuse you and me in ukraine that it is as if we are preparing to undermine this situation in order to make some kind of environmental law, if i am not clear why do we need it? if we advance there, well, even a lot of commissions came to watch, mr. money came. he said that there was nothing so terrible there, no mining, but the reactor was not mined, just the area around it was mined. will exert some pressure will somehow help us avoid this ecological catastrophe that may happen, but they took not only a neutral, but also a pro-russian position, and then the money went to

moscow to negotiate something about job security putin, who gave the order to seize the situation, review the preparation of a terrorist act , is it possible to do it in d70 or will they do it at night? no, we did not believe that they could blow up the kakhovka hpp, they blew it up, there are all signs that they are preparing for this theater and it is quite possible well, let's believe that this will not happen, because the russian federation was already warned by our partners, so what if they do such a thing , well, such a disaster for the zaporizhia administration well, there will be a completely different reaction from our partners, the fans will not only supply us with weapons, and maybe even ukraine's direct participation in the war against russia , well, let's see the situation, the situation is not easy, but let's believe that enough is enough, it's not stupid of the russians, after all, not to do it

not to undermine the administration, although you know how to expect, meanwhile, it is good , it is very difficult. well, president volodymyr zelenskyi is constantly articulating. he was mentioned in this interview for the washington post. he also touched on this situation separately, that we are now at war , given that the worst option could be the use of nuclear weapons , and terrorist attacks are also likely to occur in the armed forces. use there, god forbid, not tactical nuclear weapons, but it can happen in the armed forces with nuclear weapons, but if you now know that there, the analysts of the institute are studied, they are all there , british intelligence, they all model the probability of

scenarios, what can such a thing do for their of the strategic advantages of the russian federation at the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, and one of these, i read, means not to blow it up, not to blow up the reactor, not to control this cloud that must be going somewhere, but simply to take and lower the storage tank and thus flood the already drained kakhov reservoir and this is supposed to stop the counteroffensive of the ukrainian armed forces on the dry bottom of this reservoir , which, by the way, i wrote turnips about, so for bilt that this is a chance , everything has already dried up there, the leopards can go well, that was the answer later. this is not a hollywood movie. but from a strategic point of view, at least one option , whatever it is, will give an advantage to the armed forces of the russian federation. well, you know, move . first of all, move along the dried-up ground

under the dried-up kakhovsky reservoir. this is also such a very very omission, first of all, only korka was taken from above and how dry it is, hydrology says that it is not a fact that it will dry even in a few months , it will be possible to walk there and heavy equipment can fail in the mud that is down there left that's why it's - firstly, secondly, to advance on an open area when it is shelled by aircraft artillery, just go like this along the bottom of this reservoir, well, it 's these 10 km, overcome it, well, become very important for, for russian means, the impression , that is, it's nobody, things, this someone will do about the cooler, there is a worse situation that they can that this water can not just be thrown away and in order to take the opportunity to make another one, that is, it can be radioactive water, it can be pollution

with these wastes that are there and then it well, it will be a big disaster in general, so really with the radiation pollution of that theory of water - this is one of the scenarios that they can dump well, it will be impossible for us to advance in that place at a certain time while our chemical news service the radiological service will not take all the necessary actions in order to clean it, well, all that is left after which they can reset. therefore, this is a scenario , yes, it is not very good anymore, but such scenarios are likely, but anyway , they are unlikely to stop our offensive actions will they be able to blackmail zaporizhzhya hydroelectric power plant blackmail of the titan chemical plant, well, in terms of production, the ball is good , what is it? well, even if they do all these things, it will stop, but it is not certain that it will not stop our next question. of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine was with us in direct communication to the special tribunal regarding

russia to be accordingly the resolution was rejected by the osce parliamentary assembly member of parliament yevheniya kravchuk and according to her, the organization will not hold meetings in countries that do not support visa bans for russians. finally, the resolution supports the creation of a special tribunal on the crime of aggression against ukraine with the aim of bringing russian officials to justice and also calls to condemn the russian state ideology of racism. yevheniya kravchuk a member of the ukrainian delegation in a pair, oleg havrysh , the chief consultant of the office of the head of the office of the president of ukraine, is with us now live communication p olezhe good morning to you. so, we are moving confidently towards the implementation of this goal. this is a sufficiently large-scale goal. this is

a tribunal for war criminals . how much can the support of such international organizations affect the final result? well, this is very important, because they are served by fareshti . the rest of the countries that participate in the creation of the tribunal, now we have , so to speak, such a general agreement that the tribunal will be created , but we are conducting negotiations regarding the model how will it be created under what conditions, i.e. for us, it is important that it be either through a vote of the un general assembly or through an international treaty in such a way that it would still be possible for us to remove immunity from

putin and lavrov are ridiculous, i.e. these three, three stalwarts who also started the war, everything else, we can judge a fraction of everyone else in any version of the tribunal , that is, even if it will be a hybrid, which is not desirable for us, then we can still condemn all the others that is, this bortnikova and shoigu and patrusheva, not medvedev and all the others, that's why we're here now, just today was yesterday, i'm sorry, there was a meeting and on friday there was also a meeting of the korg groups in tallinn, and one of the main meetings for the last time and uh, at this meeting, uh, the models that could be there were considered, anton korenevich was there - he is a special ambassador for peace , and he is the mfa.

there is er. that is, i already said that by the end of this year it should be created six months and during this time, we will come up with some kind of model and will already launch self-propelled terminals, i want to say on the second of july, that is, from monday, the office of the prosecutor general will start working in gas. that is, it is an office that is already starting to collect evidence, so that when we launch the tribunal we already had everything ready for it to pass several months ago, we could have already issued an indictment and arden's arrest immediately after its launch, that is, i say once again that by the end of this year we have a plan to launch the terminal at the very beginning next year, actually, as regards how to collect evidence. well, everything else is for it

. well, for it to start working, uh, faster . our prosecutors have been working in gas since monday and will be doing this for six months, in fact, if everything goes according to plan. we will be able to hear and see certain initial proceedings of the cases , right? it 's like this. even it will not be good accusations and the order of the republic may be punished thank you, mr. oleksiy, we thank you, mr. oleg, what would you like, so we are extremely grateful to you, the marathon, the only news , continues. it was oleg havrysh, the chief consultant of the office of the head of the office of the president of

ukraine. colleagues of maryna kuhar are proof that we have long been a part of the civilized european world . ukraine has become a candidate for joining the eu, and this is only the first, albeit important, step towards full membership in the european union so as not to remain in place, we are confidently moving towards the goal of establishing the rule of law through the total cleansing of the judicial system of the untouchables, there is no more reduction of the influence of oligarchs , an effective anti-corruption program has been recognized by the world, the effectiveness of anti-corruption bodies , effective financial monitoring, the prevention of money laundering , the strengthening of human rights and freedoms, conditions for the development of independent media, and dozens more laws that implement principles of the european union

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