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and grademan, a russian sociologist, political expert and publicist, we congratulate mr. ihora good evening let's start with our favorite topic in the last week, eh, prigozhin's plot . you say that this is a temporary retreat , that he will not stop. and how much do i have in general there are strong reserves so that he can't do it, maybe it's already a rout, it doesn't look like it doesn't look like, of course, he appreciates what he has left , what was taken from him, so far it's very difficult , but the specifics of this person are typical. меня всё время when i lived in moscow, yes, there was a library there , there were two collections with the same name and there were many characters, so here are the adventurers of the civil war, they don't stop, they feel even more, the feeling of strength, the feeling of glory

here is this one, yes, which he clearly praised . i think that most likely it will no longer be some kind of march of the massed ego private army to moscow , well, twice as many things, there will most likely be a conspiracy, a conspiracy, by the forces of those people who infest the structure of polykarmil zagotovki years of the reign of chvk wagner and participation in various russian military operations and crimes, he bought many people, sravyaks to this top, about the state, everyone knows the reality of such people, there are quite a few, and i think that this is it, and these people are all in their places. i think that this resource he will save it in any case and at some point, i think that when the central power weakens , it can be after the reed of a military defeat , which means that i think that there will be an attempt

to repeat it - the first time he had such an experience, this is the first time tries to make such a better, more successful remake, but on the other hand, you will agree that all these adventurers of the civil war were people . let's put it this way. well , not very rich america. terminology and this is a billionaire, but the richest person in the world. yes, it's just huge money , some gold mines in africa , a person bathes in money, builds large buildings , borrows money for some business in st. petersburg, but that is, it’s somehow strange, that’s all you know, some blyumkin, or i don’t know a lion there , for a long time, they were completely different from the biographical point of view than what i’m bringing and from the point of view of green interest, they’re not for money, they’re like a radio, the pleasure of the revolution, by the way, in atyrists it often happens with these people because, including and with each

one , here is an example because this is the hype, the courage of the adventure . history гражданской на оближе к нам well, for example, boris berezovsky, boris the doctor, was a typical adventurer, a typical one, and nevertheless , at some point he was a billionaire . it was all normal in this sense, and we are going into world history, too, to gather a lot of lawyers who at some point got rich there, where the panama canal scam was up to 100 hours. just such examples are my darkness. so here, and i think, wealth is not in any way an obstacle, and rather on the contrary here, firstly, this is a sign that he was a lucky anti-rey at that moment, you know, he still has six more chances, and secondly, you are also a resource, no matter how the kremlin considers him now. yes, but they

will not divide him completely because a lot of resources is a crime. his assets are outside the borders , which means a long lesson for the kremlin. what were they and what were not? so he will become a rich man in our country, and that will only help him realize the consequences. hear and in the mafia there are rules of iron, which i have seen many times and read books there . he has already been defeated by the previous confrontation. when he was not beaten and i think that putin made a capital mistake, it can be forced to make a mistake that he was not ready or was not able to finish

prigozhyn. er, he flew to russia this week, the monitoring group of the belarusian garden published data that the brought plane landed in moscow and then in st. petersburg, and what they could agree on. well, that’s not the only source. fontanka published a photo where it is obvious that this bite is here in st. petersburg . so i think that it is almost obvious that he is flying to russia. takes him away what does it give how will you mean your ego army taurus how will his african assets be divided into millions save and so yes that is i you will leave now tense bargaining for this but some things he is already merging he merged his propaganda empire, for example , this is his media holding yes the patriot seems to have been called back already . i think that, well, it’s just that now it’s not in vo-perke. i think

that the russian authorities were going for it so that he would hand it over because he sewed it, the opportunities will affect public opinion, and on the other hand, i i think that he will not receive substantial subsidies for the maintenance of that hoard to attack the state of the private sector, and why do you really need pain and lose the day? will try to strengthen them and prevent similar tacts of alternatives because we are unlikely to be able to warm up private alternatives hour, spend rubles on a bathhouse. that's a strange business, i'll say. yes, each of us can run such a business for such money, but nevertheless, this is how much vertical strength is peculiar to me by accident. i think that the demand in this management already exists, that is, the hand you are there, the ministry of defense is trying

to subvert itself . it will no longer allow such a situation. history has greatly undermined its position. i think i don't think. oh, i'm almost sure that you and the russian army just hate it and perceive it as two clowns. in general, each one did a lot to turn them into clowns, and in general, it seems to me that he succeeded, that is. that one came out of this situation to what is generally called corda with his head raised, and they came out of this situation completely attentively, he saw what was needed , that is, everyone understood that they were scared that they ran where are you from and so on and so on while putin is covering them, so they continue to maintain their positions. well

, again, everything rests on the situation on the floor. in belorussia well, it’s beautiful because there are still some options and scenarios drawn by our experts that it is possible that this belarusian army will go to kiev because of the wagners. the demand, yes, that means, look, in general, the presence of chw wagner in belarus for lukashenko is absolutely not an unambiguously positive thing - it’s a stick from two ends, that is, one side, as you know, he receives neku shchi, yes, which we will allow in case there, i don’t know the case vhodov in belarusian, the stick of kalinovsky, for example, a great one of the second feet, gave logical events, it will be protected from the other side , he will recognize the personality of a beautiful person, he can, any moment of lukashenko himself, itches, he can go not to us, not to moscow, in this rational mix for example, for example, if putin decides that lukashenko is young and he needs to put some kind

of governor-general in belarus , yes, even if every person is involved in this task , well, i think that lukashenko is only making a good impression. i am not sure, therefore, that he will allow it, it is not clear how many armies will come to belarus, so it will be armed, we will have heavy weapons, heavy weapons from peru, i think that lukashenko will be interested in this army coming they are in a strong position so that he can somehow control his modest, as it were, armed forces. as for the march on kiev, i think lukashenko is also not interested in getting involved in this war in any way, and he will try not to give prigozhina and putin a dark ego directly in this war the second one will simply subjugate the system by lukashenko, but he will want his own interests, and perhaps some agreements with putin may be

made about provocation against ukraine from the side of 3 kozhan forces, it means well, let's see, but i don't think that there is such a large-scale undertaking , in general. of all events. so i don't think that it will be able to accept the scale and will want the main thing: the police will spend their army in this war . the largest city is certainly beautiful. the old city is the largest city in the russian federation. it is not the most important city, not even the capital of the russian republic. putin is not a tourism specialist so big as to hold such a meeting. this is what he did there. well, first of all, i think that his visit was artificially planned . before the events happened, and then

he needed to show that he was all right, that he, as he talked about, is handsome, continues to be in the image of a happy grandfather, so this is their own eh well, someone there was looking at him i don't think he's playing . serious problems than the development of tourism. no and further means that one of the two things happened . i have no confidence. what does this mean? either he himself flew this turpent there or he just sent a double of some clown who is supposed to train him there instead of him and met with by the local population, the people, the population, of course, he himself was, although i have a strong doubt. by the way, this time is the first time that i had such strong justified

comparisons that at least for all the footage that was demonstrated is real vladimir putin. and where, by the way, how do you think the syrovykin and gerasim succeeded because they disappeared and lost their sight and uh, at least i remember the information was that they searched sorovykin and possibly interrogated him about the fact that he still supported what do you think about this? is it possible that they will be charged with some kind of charges ? how much do they charge in exchange ? on the contrary , what is the name of the main opponent of the rebel? 100% of what is needed is too close and skewed, clearly there was somewhere on the horizon at the time of the mutineer, i think that

everyone was taken there, the generals were explained , including those who are their whores, the second one means, er, another question - did they plant him or not? i think i doubt that you planted this is not putin's style, accept this style, they will shoot everyone, and putin is far from stalin , so he is one of yours and i will say so deserved because i am not them. he translates them, but in no case does he plant, does not arrange any public imporcations, so i think that he needs personal plans , he does not say anything, he may have to resign from tv. er weakened after this how many political things are good about putin ? how

much is it possible to say that he does not control the situation? let's put it this way, the position of the ego is pushing the top , i think that the weakest part is where it is and even more of a donkey, so the position is down at the very top. structures why do i think so, look, we have all seen these, that means, uh, old clowns , which are, uh, old men of the security forces, who are gathering, that means on the security site, they say, once again, where he gathered someone for some kind of dinner at night, that means after the putsch well, these are people. well, i just look at them, the priest understands that they are old impotents, that they are not capable of what they are, it was a priest who was old and crumpled, old-fashioned pink and that they are capable of some kind of conspiracy and very much

doubt it, but there is an average examination in these the forces of the structures are the people who understand that these old men will never leave themselves, that they will sit in their places until they all die out. as it was meant at the end of the brezhnev period, that is why they are motivated precisely to change the fact that the only change is that there are some career elevators or they are now they are the junior middle call substantively or even 20 years to wait for packages, well, 15 clowns, old elections and here i reminded you at each one, at the same time, each wednesday, there are no many people who are fed, it seems to me that the following is a threat to this regime of the vozmoi conspiracy, you can say that from this middle color of what we know, this word is thrown out, but he is one. yes, there may not be enough famous people like that.

of course, very quickly, i would be happy to sit under them and with my own . regime changes in general, uh, will change the geopolitical situation. pure such behavior is politeness, purely formal politeness. well , how would it be to interfere in the internal affairs of the country? they won't say that, but i think that the reality is that the american special services, the british special services , they definitely monitor the situation and implement it favorably. i think it refers to the fact that this regime can somehow

if someone falls you can return and so on hardware yes, of course, the only alternative way to do it is people who, i'm really talking about, alternatives may appear, it may not appear, there may be people who themselves present a project of a human being. yes, at least on the first one , yes. them, or let's say i'm absolutely idle that most of them are not some kind of ideologically motivated people , yes, no, you know, that's how it was at the top of the nazis, i don't know, without some kind of suicide, as you know, pako studied with his wife children were bullied, which means that there are such people there. no, it’s just people who are very happy, who are motivated , i’m waiting for them not to die, who want to fight , why was life so bad until february 24

last year, calm, you know they calmly dusted the budgets, you know, went to the west, was treated, claimed to breathe there, where those properties are called, there are children there , they taught other things, that is, they returned to this situation until this day x, until february 24 of the previous year, so i think that if or when it is not over putin, yes or how do you take away from whom they are cooking, it does not matter, they will not continue this exceptionalist crazy course, because they simply categorically do not benefit and they did not even logically motivate for it, after all, this course is connected with mr. putin's personal insanity and there can't be a few people there because of his ego. well, you go with all the top projects . thank you very much. igor eidman, a russian sociologist, political expert and publicist, was in direct contact with us. well, we are moving on . of east asia, master of foreign policy , we are in touch, welcome, mrs. nataliya, we congratulate

you. well, let's discuss this story with you, with the fact that china can now look at the secret situation in russia in a completely different way after the institution to the beauties to what extent do you agree with this point of view? well, you know, we have to think in the middle. we don't have to, uh, think that now china 's whole opinion will change completely because, well, russia is included in its strategy of global struggle by the united states of america, that's why he is interested like no one in preserving this power, no matter what. and of course, this uh, this campaign of the wagnerites is beautiful to a certain extent and surprised and impressed the whale and will make him reconsider his plan, perhaps certain, but we see later on the reaction that was later, after china was waiting, when it was all over, and he said that, actually, what was happening in the internal affairs

of russia. he supports the stability and prosperity of russia in general, and after that, the official press. well, this is more or less his general opinion. official opinion, there was a lot of talk about the fact that, well, look, russia is thirsty. well, this is not at all. it is not as terrible as the west tried to paint, and this is certainly to a certain extent also a personal appeasement of china, because that is what it really wants. to see that putin owns the situation, he took it into his hands. well, that stability is certain, it will continue . and why am i asking? the authorities and our american partners joined in pressing on russia

, unfortunately, we do not yet see that china is using its tools to press on that dispersion, and even this situation that took place inside the country will to some extent affect its internal affairs some such strategic views, maybe on more in-depth analytics, but unfortunately, what we see after that, that is, a week has already passed, and we see how china continues to talk about the fact that the parties should sit down at the negotiating table, but the world is like this now, the idea fails that everything- after all, we need to dress for peace and dialogue, and we heard the last statement , for example, literally the other day at a meeting of the security council of the oun , for the representative of china once again repeated that instead of providing weapons to ukraine and escalating the situation, let's help

all the parties should sit down at the negotiating table, that is, in fact, what is china offering us today? but the united states, probably not the united states. the european union calls on china to put pressure on russia in order to end the war. they partially answered this question, but it is interesting that the european union has some instruments of influence on china to make such calls, well, the european union constantly calls and tries from all sides to work with china to contribute to the fact that, after all , it played this role, and this applies to both the institutions of the european union and individual governments, because such calls are already being made well, at least since the fall and they continue because a number of visits were made to china both by european leaders and there were also a number of visits by chinese representatives and the former prime minister of the minister of foreign affairs and so on and it is important that for china

relations with the european union are very important, and on the one hand, this is important . it has such a positive role because china , while helping russia, while supporting russia , still takes into account not only the american position and the consequences, but also the opinion of the european union because it is important to him economically with him a-ah and also china is very seriously trying to separate the euro-atlantic unity because he really does not want the european union to join fully in those measures that the united states carries out in particular and they are trying to technologically cut off china, it is very painful for him, well, economically, the european union still joins the politics of the united states , derizkin, that is, to reduce the risks in cooperation with china, and very reluctantly because, after all, it is not a homogeneous european union and there is

different countries that have different levels of relations with china, in particular economic, and very reluctantly , he still begins to talk about the connection between the economy and security and that now we need to gradually work on diversifying our trade and gradually reducing our dependence on china, and this i don't like china very much, and here are a number of visits from representatives of the chinese government , in which i mentioned that they were aimed at somehow convincing european countries and european institutions that it is not necessary it is necessary to follow in the footsteps of the united states, we need to use the opportunities in these relations , especially since the european economy is suffering.

the ukrainian war, because security is of serious importance to us today, and literally uh well, perhaps a few weeks ago, the representative of the chinese ambassador to the european union tried so hard to change his mind and emphasized that this is a war russia against ukraine well, it should not stand as such a serious argument in the relations between the parties, because, well, the security security situation, after all, we can do business as usual first, that is, these discussions are ongoing, and that is, our european partners, on their part, are trying to insist for china to change its position and i emphasize that a lot will depend on this and how relations with china will develop in the future well , china is trying, you know, to remove the tail

and wait because well, unfortunately for me, so it seems that china does not really believe that it will still be possible to defeat russia, after all, in his imagination, russia is so big with a nuclear arsenal, it is still invincible, and accordingly, china expects that sooner or later there will be negotiations, it will be able to play its role there and maybe the situation will change and all these aspects will go to the side, and that is why, having declared there about peace initiatives , allegedly participating in negotiations and striving to bring these parties to the negotiating table, china still does not take such steps. what would we like, what could he do and what from it is demanded by our partners, this is that these calls i will not be a participant of the shanghai cooperation organization in india, this is a certain sign after the visit of the prime minister of india , the people of the youth to the united states, because at the previous samarkandzipin, you actively communicated with the participants of this

meeting this is a known fact, there is no solution here, in fact, india is now in such an uncomfortable situation for itself, first of all , because the parties that should participate in this summit are pakistan, with which it is not simple relations, and this is china, with whom he operates, not simple relations , and this is russia, where india has a dilemma, because if putin comes, then , accordingly, there will be questions from the partners, well, especially after this visit to the united states, and that is why and how i translated the whole its summit in the virtual space, that is, the whole thing takes place virtually on the fourth of july, and here are several factors , among which, well, everything will be involved. actually, nothing changes, but it is virtual, but as for

this situation in general, for example, in last year, when all that happened, markandi ran in a rented fashion in order not to cross paths on such private sites and seats. pins arrived on the day of the summit, and he held events related to the agreement there and directly himself, and he went back. this time, he is a country that receives visitors of course he could not ignore and had to show a complete such complete complete foul for these guests of his well and accordingly this difficult situation because in the relations between china and india not everything is resolved good, because after all, since the 20th year, 18 rounds of negotiations have taken place after that clash on the border, but the parties have not reached such a serious solution, moreover, china is building up infrastructure in those disputed areas and after the meeting of the ministers of foreign affairs and ministers of defense , well, it became clear that actually, at the level of the leaders of the countries, both from pakistan and china, well

, there is nothing to say in particular, and that is why india is such a step in a wider direction. then sisinpin should be well at least declared that he will be a participant because they themselves there will be a meeting, all the leaders will be present and we will watch how india will solve the issue with putin's arrival because previously the russian side announced that it intends to send putin to india and i think that this is to some extent a pause taken by the indian government in order to see how to deal with it until september. perhaps something will change, plus there will be brics in uh, in august, well, that is, maybe there will be to observe how the garbage will behave, then visits no, that is, india also has to