[000:00:00;00] nothing to say and that's why he went to such a step in a wider but you and i will still watch the twenties that will take place in september and then the sisinpin should be well at least announced that he will be a participant because they themselves there will be a meeting all the leaders will be present and we will watch how india will solve the issue with the arrival of putin because previously the russian side announced that it intends to send putin to india and i think that to some extent this pause was taken by the indian government in order to in order to see how to deal with it for the sake of september. maybe something will change, plus it will be brics in august, well, that is, maybe they will watch how the garbage will behave, then it will visit no, that is, india also has to

balance, and that is why right now, for now , the leaders will speak virtually, john kir bey expressed the position that the usa is allegedly interested in continuing the dialogue between ukraine and china so that ukraine can more accurately convey the ukrainian position on ending the war . have already allegedly exchanged opinions that china still does not understand our position or why these statements at all. well, in fact, diplomacy . it should be better than, for example, uh, how are we afraid, we are afraid of our partners, that china would start directly, for example , to support russia or help military methods all- his presence in negotiations in diplomacy also provides an opportunity for this country's involvement to illustrate this on the one hand, on the other hand, by european countries and the united states

. initially, when china announced the peace plan to a certain extent, they were both impressed and dissatisfied. but it seems to me that now they understand that in the negotiation process that will take place after a certain time, no one can now predict when, after all, china will be involved, all because it is close to russia, plus the nuclear arsenal that everyone is worried about serious negotiations will be needed regarding certain nuclear guarantees, and i think that this is precisely because the united states is trying to portray this role of china in the upcoming negotiation process. for this dialogue to continue on this. thank you very much ms. natalya nataliya plaksienko butyrska expert on east asian issues master of foreign policy was

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a terrorist attack on the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant what will be russia's adventure after the putsch and will there be a coup d'état? well, also ukraine's accession to nato, will our president go to the summits, what can we expect from his decision? writes about the fact that the russians can either cause an accident with a small radius to simply prevent the offensive of the armed forces or drop irradiated water from the nuclear power plant to the kakhov reservoir again to stop the offensive but not do anything more global or to create a radioactive plume to cover a large area in the south of ukraine, although it will be difficult to do, which one are you leaning towards or is it possible that you have a fourth one, you know in any case all the competent experts, namely experts, not politicians, not commentators, namely experts

, nuclear specialists energy experts say that there cannot be any serious accident at the zaporizhzhya npp. they often tell me that i am scaring people there. i always believe that i am simply a realist where i see possible, uh, tragic consequences , i talk about them where i do not see them, i cannot convince any official person, i always rely on expert opinion, which means that there cannot be a serious explosion at the zaporozhye cs, what is happening zaporizhzhia npp cannot be compared to chernobyl, or my tricks, and chernobyl did not lead to any such excessively tragic consequences. as we know it over the years. everyone survived chernobyl, we saw it all, it is obvious that there is nothing good in the accident at the atomic psychic, but i am simply saying that even if you compare it with chernobyl

or temptation, but here zaporizhia npp nothing will happen either. the maximum that can be done at zaporizhia npp is to achieve the fact that the radiation zone will be on the territory of the nuclear plant itself and there will be no such large radiation zone, which is painted there in various ways and captures a large part of the territory of ukraine, they are talking about a mass evacuation, there will be no threats for european countries, none of this exists, for various reasons, we are now simply, if we discuss it, you and i will be forced to talk about physics, not politics . to understand these laws of nuclear power, can they buy iodine ? it is not necessary here, they have already said 100 times that

it is not necessary, but still buy the half-life of iodine, it is even. there can be no active iodine even if everything there is blown up, that is, it’s simple. this is what i’m saying. it’s physics. it’s nothing. then the threats of the russians, but for what purpose and precisely now because they have already started to say that we are taking out, evacuating people , that we can free the territory of zaporozhye nuclear, they can blow it up more, then i generally think that they will blow it up , because this is a dialogue if we still mean that we are at war with an enemy country . we want to destroy the economy of this country. we want this country even if it will remain on the political map of the world, and many in the russian leadership agree that ukraine is not what we think it is. but it is somewhere in some territory. it will remain on the political map of the world, which means that it must be an economically unsustainable country. it is the largest nuclear power plant in europe

. this power plant creates the economic strength of this country, what needs to be done so that this power cannot be restored for many decades to blow up the zaporizhzhya nuclear power station. you know that russia's tactics are transformation neighboring countries into disabled countries and those disabled countries can either be part of the territory of russia or should be such a poor marginal buffer zone between russia and the civilized world, there can be two options from the russian point of view, or we join it and these are normal russian regions that live normally human life together with us russians and we will exterminate all ukrainians here and they will not live with us russians but russians will live here or we will turn it into a territory in which we will never there will be a normal life, let's create such a platform for everyone else so that the inhabitants of all other former republics, which are smaller in terms of territory than ukraine, but it was the second former soviet republic in terms of size and population, know that any

resistance to russia means that no one will live normal life well, they won, they defended their territory, there is no population, there is no economy, there is no banditry , degradation, mass migration, environmental problems. and if you want it to happen to you, you can also not join us to live as an independent, unhappy ukraine, this is what they have in their heads. they will build such and such a country with all their might, but could this be blackmail in front of the very freedom they say that nato, god forbid, did not give any political guarantees to ukraine, that is why vilnius is connected with the absence the political will of the west from the point of view of generally providing ukraine with some guarantees that could, in principle, talk about the possibility of the end of the war in some foreseeable

future. where zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is managed here zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant - this is a completely different story, on the contrary, i will tell us that any, any such sabotage just brings the possibility of obtaining a guarantee no, no, they are moving away , they carried us away, well, zaporizhzhia hpp carried us away , but they can still blow something up ukraine still has nuclear power plants closer to european ones, so khmelnytskyi still has a lot of opportunities to create a whole series of man-made disasters if the war continues for a long time, russia will accumulate resources and try to attack from the territory belarusians, we even talked about you, that wagner, attacking from the territory of belarus , does not necessarily have to go to kyiv, but i will seize a mononuclear power plant here. nato is another story. i think that it is also quite serious because, well , i think the president is absolutely logical when

he talks about the need for clear, as he said, criteria that would allow us to say that we will join the north atlantic treaty organization. of the world right now volodymyr zelenskyi is saying how can he set an ultimatum, i will not go to the summit unless there is something specific . but really, maybe we are already a strong nation , so what kind of country is at war, we also have some conditions to set, i do not think that this is an ultimatum of strength. i think that it is rather a cry, that is, a strong nation is a nation that can fight without anyone 's help. ukraine is a weak state without the military aid of the united states and other western countries and without the financial economy of the united states and the union. ukraine has disappeared from the political map of the world in 48 hours, now it's easy to understand, not now. i mean then, when there was this big invasion and now this war of ours depends on the help of

the west . can supply military aircraft he is asking for foreign military aircraft he is demanding foreign aircraft our military-industrial complex does not work, even this year nothing significant has happened except, uh, another re-election of the head ukroboronpromu, therefore, i do not think that it can be a position of strength, that is, in the united states , a position of strength there is france, a position of strength. france itself is building up its military-industrial complex. well, mistral missiles, atomic weapons are a strong state , yes, green strategy, because besides strength, what is moral in addition to military economic power, a state that is on the verge of disappearing because it was attacked by an aggressor has a moral position, and society listens to this moral position. the strength

of ukraine is exclusively in its moral position if western societies will not respect this moral position. then they will absolutely not listen to us, and that is why we fear the success of such politicians as donald trump, who absolutely do not care about the moral position , that is, because precisely from dona’s point of view, for trump, ukraine is a weak state if she exists on american money, why listen to her, don’t give her money, she will do everything she is told, and he will agree with putin on how ukraine will look in what borders, in what status, what are you, what are they can dictate if they are not able to live on their money and are not able to have their own weapons, well, here is the logic of such and such trump, but fortunately our world does not consist exclusively of trump, there are people who understand that the people have the right to strictness, the test has the right to independence has the right to defend one's own freedom and for us it is a guarantee of this. but which, in principle, creates chances that the war on the territory of ukraine will not continue for a long time, the black

years are nato, and here a rather paradoxical situation was created in bucharest in 2008 when we were not given a plan for the clergy, the united states was in favor of it. but france and great britain were against it. germany and france took such a neutral position. now the positions of france have changed. great britain is in favor of it, and germany says that if the united states, then we are because of what they say. we are against it . and here it is important as why because the united states believes that any step that can cause a nuclear conflict between the violent states and the russian federation is irresponsible that it is the united states of the russian federation that gives it most of all nuclear states, and therefore the united states in its policy must take into account the risks for the united states, and therefore the war of russia against ukraine can only take place within

the framework that does not create this risk for the united states and its allies. to the red lines you already said that it was predicted and many people say that it was predicted even this was frankly said this will already be the cancellation of this he forgot no it will not be where a certain council of measures can to be the cancellation of the risk of a massive nuclear bombardment of ukraine not just one nuclear strike but again, we do not know how the united states will react to such a nuclear strike , because all the talk that they will respond to it by force seems to me to be quite conditional too, so that it is the president of the united states who decides that he can strike the positions of a nuclear state with non-nuclear weapons, and if the goals of a nuclear state are to be decided in response, will you give nuclear weapons , let's say not even to the united states or allies of the united states in europe to hit the american bases in europe right there. so what to do with the united states , well, that is, it is already a direct war, which threatens the possibility

of a nuclear conflict and the use of strategic nuclear weapons by the parties, which will lead to the disappearance of civilization in eurasia and north america literally within a few it's been a week, and we have options, right ? if we now see that ukraine receives a guarantee from the united states, let's say an invitation to nato and security guarantees, then the danger of a nuclear conflict should not be thought of by the president of the united states, but by the president of the russian federation, the president of the russian federation should also think about it, not only the president of the united states , but we can look at it through the eyes of the president of the russian federation, the president of the russian federation now has, in fact, such a gladiatorial arena, he can do no, whatever he wants, rocket attacks, shaheda mobilize new soldiers, he can just sit down and calculate when ukraine will run out of population that is subject to mobilization in

what year will this happen? will it happen before 2036 or after? can you sit down and see how many of those mobilized in russia during this time need to be sent to the front , even if you tell him ? we will just destroy them physically and we will just find out a year when i will say that the ukrainians have ceased to exist, i will say that the territory is so worthy for the settlement of russians, but as soon as the emphasis changes, as soon as you know that if you advance a little further and that is already areas where military actions are taking place, that these are already areas that have received security guarantees from a nuclear state, then you start thinking this is no longer entertainment, because now where putin is, war is entertainment with a huge amount. i would say plushek and the totalitarian regime is strengthening and

the ukrainian economy is degrading right-wing forces are growing in the west and the global south is interested in russia to negotiate on food supplies, and china views russia as a tool to weaken the west, and india has increased its purchases of russian oil from two percent to 46%, which has never been was in general in their trade, russia has always kept india exclusively with weapons, and now i can still keep energy resources just a benefit, but this benefit immediately ends when you understand that in response to all these actions you can get a nuclear bomb on moscow and then you think that you are this conflict forced to localize and if it is a local conflict, it ceases to interest anyone locally, it is just like in donbas, i.e. china is no longer interested because you, the west, do not weaken the ukrainians, you do not destroy the totalitarian regime, it is more difficult for you

to build because this is a small war. you can't speculate on this, saying that russia is threatened by all these western enemies because there is some kind of conflict between two areas, that russia 's money and oil remain of course an important part of your relations with the global south , but not so important because everyone is starting to reformat analytical ways are more peaceful life becomes ukraine has the opportunity to supply food, you are not such an important country for the countries of the global cock, and then the question arises and why do you all this is fighting, then you start counting your own problems, money for the war, the degradation of your own economy. yes, you can turn a blind eye to it, because the enemy seems to be degrading faster than you demographically, the degradation of the tacts , something closes it because the enemy is reducing the population faster than you, and so you all problems. if we are now dealing with a war

that is raging on the territory of ukraine, and on the territory of russia, the same life continues , only poorer, that was until february 24, 2022 , then at the moment when ukraine receives guarantee of security from the west, russia also becomes at least a potential territory of war, and ukraine ceases to be such a territory, so the president is absolutely right when he wants to prevent this status quo from being resolved once and for all, but so far it also looks like a statement by western politicians that he is going to politically declare that they will take us to nato, however, it was already in bucharest and it was like it was veiled to me no of course bucharest was veiled no and in fact what happened in bucharest is a huge the mistake of the western countries because they said that ukraine will be a member of nato but did not take any real practical steps to

implement this decision, moreover, they did not intend to take any practical steps to implement this decision, on the other hand, they programmed their own confrontation with the russian federation, not even ours and its own because the russian federation perceived the results of the summit in bucharest as the fact that western countries will not allow it to occupy ukraine . countries are helping us with weapons, and for the russian federation this became a certain signal that it is necessary to prepare for either a political or an economic or a military takeover of ukraine. look at what the russian federation did after 2008. the russian federation totally corrupted the ukrainian elite from this period, and they began to intensively develop gas mechanisms is much more serious than it was before 2008, remember all these passions on the gas contract in

2009-2010 with direct participation the prime minister of the russian federation, vladimir putin, in 2010, with the direct support of moscow , the pro-russian leadership led by viktor yanukovych came to power in ukraine, and the dismantling of ukrainian state structures began, of course, with the sincere support of the vast majority of the population of ukraine, who voted for yanukovych. well, the prime minister - the minister was yulia tymoshenko then , it seems that yanukovych was no longer there, they were already in prison in the 10th year, she was already in business no, i am talking about the presidential eight, since march 8 , tymoshenko was the prime minister but that was a period attempts to corrupt the gas elites in the 10th year, this was already a political story. and it was the continuation of the black sea fleet's stay in ukraine, and what's more, it was very important there at another time. did the black sea fleet not just extend its stay?

under yanukovych, the black sea fleet received the right to change its composition to according to this agreement, which was signed during the time of leonid kuchma, the black sea fleet was not allowed to change and update and update ships, change and update equipment, a fixed number of people which will be located there and the temporary base that could sooner or later disappear . i also wrote that in fact, thanks to this agreement of yevhen marchuk and oleg soskavets, the black sea fleet will definitely turn into scrap metal . it turned out that not only i understood this, that putin also understood it and in the tenth agreement of 2010, the 10th year, which 9 you are reading were linked by a discount on gas oh, that means they created this base it was actually a base for the future annexation of crimea, they destroyed the ukrainian army led by

the ministry of defense of russia was citizens of the russian federation, think about it, in the offices of the highest ukrainian admirers of the prime minister, the head of the sbu, other managers, there were russian advisers, citizens of the russian federation , in fact, in 2010, such a publicized occupation of ukraine already took place because it was necessary to level the consequences, budapest, he is still propaganda in films, tv series the entertainment programs that were watched , unfortunately, were mostly russian, then there was almost no ukrainian . well, this is also an important part of the germ, i will tell you that it even happened less than before, because in the early 1990s, at the beginning of the relevant years, this is simply because the russian information process. well, after the second maidan , the first maidan, yes, 13-14 years ago, the final decision was already made on the gradual annexation of ukrainian territories. no, it turned into a big

war in the end, yes these are all the results of 2008 when they said yes but everyone heard what they wanted the west heard yes but no we started yes but once but once and russia heard yes and soon well of course everyone started to act as they see fit in this situation and now the question arises how the west should solve this problem, this mistake of bucharest needs to be corrected, but it can be corrected only in two ways, first, clearly say that ukraine will join nato after such and such parades, yes actions , then that it will receive an invitation, that it receives security guarantees before the invitation, that no the war will not interfere with this, the second has the second opportunity to announce that nato renounces bucharest and agrees with the fact that ukraine should be neutral and will look for

a mechanism to guarantee the security of such a ukraine together with the russian federation if there is any answer, if we understand that the second answer is not possible because the russian federation has shown itself in all its glory as a repressive , aggressive terrorist person of a hateful entity that can only give guarantees by the deceased, and i am not sure that i should have taken it then there is only one answer to the question, you understand, well, that's all . the first option, the first option, yes, we have had to. i don't expect him to be free. i believe that there is a window of opportunity between i will honestly say that if i do not make a clear decision on the washington site, it is necessary to clearly understand that this is a long conflict , a long war, and the end is not the end, but our path to the future, and it can simply be predicted that in this situation, a military conflict on the territory of ukraine, in one form or another, it may cover the entire 20s of the xxi century. will it simply be a permanent condition? we will not even talk

about it in the news for a very long time, because it will be a war like peace, peace simply won't be in washington the next broad truth of the 75th anniversary, i just don't know in which month, i don't remember in which place but it's also in the midst of this i think he's in the middle of the presidential campaign in the usa yes it seems to me that it is in the summer because they are always in the summer, i can certainly look at it for you, but i think that it is not fundamental because of the time, but of course it is not fundamental for this day, just age during this period can significantly change the situation at the front, everything in the world may change this year because one way or another it is clear what will happen and military actions and political events well, you see, predicting some things now, well, it is also completely inappropriate because, well, who among us could have predicted a bunch of adventures, but here

we are with you exactly one week ago here sat and somewhat evil absolutely opposite contradictory he remote control ended during our saturday field yes but i am very interested in how your position has changed in a week maybe you looked at that moment with which from which to moscow in view of some new events this week i realized that in already understood the principles but it was confirmed by putin and the campaign , first of all, that no private military company exists , there is a state company that was financed by the russian federation, 86 billion rubles. has always been a budget organization, so if it is a budget organization, the question is always quite

good. and why do you need the fighters of this state organization to sign contracts with the ministry of defense of russia? it's a good question, phraseology is all the same. if you come to the rosmiya company in tikharya sechena and tell its employees, could you register with oleksiy miller 's gazprom and they will ask you and why? i am a state employee of a certain class in the company. here is my employment book. why should i transfer to another state corporation? i don't want to. i think that